Final nail in the coffin

If you fucking retard ignorant faggots didn't realize. Every holiday weekend in this mob run shit city is rigged. As soon as memorial day hits I drop 5500 in 3 hours. Tell me the last fucking time I dropped even 4k in 3 hours let alone 5. You're talking to the guy that has had one losing streak over 200 hours in fucking over 2100 hours of blackjack. Well it's the final nail in the coffin. Up 82k for the year in 520 hours or so and I've been cheated every fucking holiday weekend. Find the last person that could make this much betting 2x200 and 2x250 playing only 6 and 8 deck shoes in a 500 hour span. HOW? How are he fuck is that even possible? I'll tell you why cause I'm the fucking best to ever fucking do it. That's why I'm able to get fucking cheated my whole career and still average ov r 150 n hour and not quit. That's fucking why u fucking retard nigger faggot snowflake bitches.

There will NEVER be anyone like me plaun and simple. You can search the history of blackjack and the the future of blackjack and good luck finding someone on my level. Suggest you join the blackjack the discard creates by fraud faggot ryemo and his little blackjack apprenticeship queer buddies. Go learn off them and fail like them. Every guy on that discord is a button pushing retard or a failed blackjack player that either doesn't play or promotes bja and their overpriced retard bootcamps. They feel so comelled to talk they're someone and an expert but don't do fuck all with the game just like everyone on here. All you fake ass faggot APs. Not to mention you'll see idiots with fake percentages on their names to feel special on some anonymous forum. Since they're too autistic and nerd like to have any friends they need someone to accept them. Stay average kids. Be anyone you want to be on the internet. Not everyone can be me. Lie to yourselves every day online but you only have your retard ass too look at each night with fore you go to bed.

The ones who can, DO, and the ones who can't, push buttons, write books, run seminars, run bootcamps, run podcasts, and need a team to bankroll them to play blackjack. Find one solo player that can do what I've done with shoe games. Go ahead and I'll kill myself tomorrow, that's how sure I am you won't find that person.

2x200 bad getting cheated every holiday weekend and still 82k in 520 hours? hahahaha. Best to ever fucking do it and it'll never even be close.

Final nail in the coffin Vegas. You fucked with the wrong guy. Really is a shame. Lights out kids

You need to start taking your medication again.

If you aren't prescribed medication for some form of mental illness then lolololololololol.

Who cares about you?

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If you fucking retard ignorant faggots didn't realize. Every holiday weekend in this mob run shit city is rigged. As soon as memorial day hits I drop 5500 in 3 hours. Tell me the last fucking time I dropped even 4k in 3 hours let alone 5. You're talking to the guy that has had one losing streak over 200 hours in fucking over 2100 hours of blackjack. Well it's the final nail in the coffin. Up 82k for the year in 520 hours or so and I've been cheated every fucking holiday weekend. Find the last person that could make this much betting 2x200 and 2x250 playing only 6 and 8 deck shoes in a 500 hour span. HOW? How are he fuck is that even possible? I'll tell you why cause I'm the fucking best to ever fucking do it. That's why I'm able to get fucking cheated my whole career and still average ov r 150 n hour and not quit. That's fucking why u fucking retard nigger faggot snowflake bitches.

There will NEVER be anyone like me plaun and simple. You can search the history of blackjack and the the future of blackjack and good luck finding someone on my level. Suggest you join the blackjack the discard creates by fraud faggot ryemo and his little blackjack apprenticeship queer buddies. Go learn off them and fail like them. Every guy on that discord is a button pushing retard or a failed blackjack player that either doesn't play or promotes bja and their overpriced retard bootcamps. They feel so comelled to talk they're someone and an expert but don't do fuck all with the game just like everyone on here. All you fake ass faggot APs. Not to mention you'll see idiots with fake percentages on their names to feel special on some anonymous forum. Since they're too autistic and nerd like to have any friends they need someone to accept them. Stay average kids. Be anyone you want to be on the internet. Not everyone can be me. Lie to yourselves every day online but you only have your retard ass too look at each night with fore you go to bed.

The ones who can, DO, and the ones who can't, push buttons, write books, run seminars, run bootcamps, run podcasts, and need a team to bankroll them to play blackjack. Find one solo player that can do what I've done with shoe games. Go ahead and I'll kill myself tomorrow, that's how sure I am you won't find that person.

2x200 bad getting cheated every holiday weekend and still 82k in 520 hours? hahahaha. Best to ever fucking do it and it'll never even be close.

Final nail in the coffin Vegas. You fucked with the wrong guy. Really is a shame. Lights out kids

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The GOAT

:D

God damn it! Heading out shortly and don't have time for this shit now....BUT:

Why are you playing 8 deck games on the strip? Unless there is something special, deep pen or surrender, that is just dumb.

Up 82k, over 520 hours this year? This year? 2021? If so just shut the fuck up, you are doing fine. You are not the best like you think (nor am I), but you are doing fine. And you are going to bitch about a $5500 loss That is the way this fucking game (card counting) works!

I have been supportive of you from a distance through all your rants. It is tiresome. Grow the fuck up and stop throwing hissy fits calling names every time you stub your toe. Seriously what is wrong with you? If you are on or supposed to be on medication....TAKE THEM!

As an AP I am very supportive of other AP's. It is becoming really hard to see you as anything but a complete nut and dick. Grow up.

Best ever my ass!

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God damn it! Heading out shortly and don't have time for this shit now....BUT:

Why are you playing 8 deck games on the strip? Unless there is something special, deep pen or surrender, that is just dumb.

Up 82k, over 520 hours this year? This year? 2021? If so just shut the fuck up, you are doing fine. You are not the best like you think (nor am I), but you are doing fine. And you are going to bitch about a $5500 loss That is the way this fucking game (card counting) works!

I have been supportive of you from a distance through all your rants. It is tiresome. Grow the fuck up and stop throwing hissy fits calling names every time you stub your toe. Seriously what is wrong with you? If you are on or supposed to be on medication....TAKE THEM!

As an AP I am very supportive of other AP's. It is becoming really hard to see you as anything but a complete nut and dick. Grow up.

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Since June 15th. You must really be a fraud if you dont play the 8 deck I'm talking about or know about the pen there. What else is new. Bunch of retards on these forums. If you don't play the strip and rather play off strip and downtown, you're definitely a fraud cause there's no way you can get action down outside the strip for very long.

Find someone else betting 2x200 solo up 82,000 playing 6 and 8 Decker's in 520 hours. I'll wait. Until then you shut the fuck up. By the way, when have I ever asked for anyone's support? I don't need your support or anyone elses support. Never did, never will. The more you talk, the more you expose yourself. And when I mention 5500, I'm talking about how fast I lost it and HOW I lost it, not the ACTUAL loss. Learn to read.

As for the degen idiots who already commented. How does it feel you'll never make 82k in 520 hours? Imagine if I cared about money. You guys try your hardest and can't win a dollar lmao. I put in 10% effort my whole life and still dominate everything I touch.

Hows my ass taste faggots?

2 x 200 is pussy money!

The only thing pussy is your pathetic bankroll. For the record, I've been betting 2x250 for the past 120 hours. Keep trying though. Typical degenerate focused on how much is bet but not max bets won. Best to ever do it and it's not even close. Find someone else who's made as many max bets as me in past 520 hours playing ONLY shoes. I'll wait. Oh wait, it's a 'miracle run' as I've been told by idiots on the discord already. I've been hearing it's a miracle run for the the past 400 hours. Sorry idiots, maybe for ignorant retards it's a miracle run because no one can make 150+ an hour betting 2x200 on exclusively shoes other than me. How do I do it then? I'm the best remember? I'll keep the secret to myself and all you idiots can keep playing double and single deck. ROFL. You guys don't deserve me. Just stick to being degenerate retards. People like you is why I can still do what I do. Casinos need retards to distribute the money to my pockets. Thanks jb, keep returning to the casinos for me. Pce

We bet 2 x $1000+ you stupid asshole.

You're nothing but a pathetic nobody!

Post your logs. Show me your profit loss records. Oh wait, I'll be waiting forever. No one ever has any records. They also always need to be on a team to play. They all also work a normal 'job'. Why is there always extra baggage? Why can't anyone do this solo?

Everyone is a big shot online. You're not getting any action down solo at 2 x 1000 for any length of time. But wait, did you say 'we'? Wow. Another team operation cause no one can make it playing solo like the best to ever do it. You're so good but you can't play solo? Why? 2x1000 even with a team you won't last very long and everything will be split up affecting your profits. You'll also be forced to play limited days throughout the year when it's really busy to get any action down and blend in, who h affects your volume and profits You're always better off playing solo, but no one does it cause they're all broke and too much of a degenerate to grind it out. Plain and simple.

Just remember jbjb, you and everyone else can be whoever you want online, but at the end of the day when you go to sleep like every other retard on that blackjack discord and these forums, you only have your pathetic self to look at with an alarm clock ready to be smacked at 5am. Meanwhile, I'm living my best life playing cards for a living.

Which reminds me, hey Boz, how's that bridge I was going to be sleeping under treating you? Oh wait it's cause I lived in the ghetto right? That's the only reason I was able to survive right? Tell me where I'm living now then. Is it or is it not a luxury apartment? Tell me how the inside looks? Tell me how much I bought in furniture and how nice I made it look. Hey Mr.V, how's that 'fizzling out' treating you. I thought I would've fizzled out by now? I mean you're telling me I proved all of you wrong with 10% effort? LMAO. This society is full of retards. I've been proving everyone wrong my whole life. Shit bores me. I'll just jump off hoover dam tomorrow. I'm dead in 50 years max anyway and everyone around me including women are ignorant trash. Nothing to live for and I already dominated life.

Pce out scrubs

Doesn't work that way for Stand Alone Progressives.
I hit one for $5,360 yesterday that resets at 1,000.
3,884 dollars profit plus Comps/Points/Mailers.
I found it odd that downtown was slow for a holiday weekend on Friday Night and I played until about 8pm.
I'm sure it got more busy/crazy later that night, it just seemed slow to me.
Maybe after the hockey game let out?
I also crushed the book by betting on the Knights Puck Line for Game 7.
The whole town isn't completely Mob Infested.
You can still find some easy spots.

Actually I prefer a Holiday Weekend as it means less heat for me and more people playing to push up progressives.
It's a win/win.
ZenKing making up stories again but nobody writing letters to Casino Executives about a guy who threatened them on multiple forums.
No, people like Boz and others only reserve those letters for the Evil MDawg.

Nice to be able to come over here, to a forum, that allows you to type...

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That's fucking why u fucking retard nigger faggot snowflake bitches.

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How come you never bring up Kites?

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Doesn't work that way for Stand Alone Progressives.
I hit one for $5,360 yesterday that resets at 1,000.
3,884 dollars profit plus Comps/Points/Mailers.
I found it odd that downtown was slow for a holiday weekend on Friday Night and I played until about 8pm.
I'm sure it got more busy/crazy later that night, it just seemed slow to me.
Maybe after the hockey game let out?
I also crushed the book by betting on the Knights Puck Line for Game 7.
The whole town isn't completely Mob Infested.
You can still find some easy spots.

Actually I prefer a Holiday Weekend as it means less heat for me and more people playing to push up progressives.
It's a win/win.
ZenKing making up stories again but nobody writing letters to Casino Executives about a guy who threatened them on multiple forums.
No, people like Boz and others only reserve those letters for the Evil MDawg.

Nice to be able to come over here to a forum that allows you to type...

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That's fucking why u fucking retard nigger faggot snowflake bitches.

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Suggest you study up on some law like the rest of society. I already destroyed Nersesian on trespassing and I'll do the same next with Indian trespassing laws and what they can and can't do cause everyone's an ignorant retard that doesnt know their rights. The result is the droned out brainwashed society we live in with niggers and white trash full of tattoos walking the streets yelling and music blasting. You think one of them knows their bill of rights? How the fuck did we go from Thomas jefferson to the trash you see everyday in society? There's a reason everyone lives in fear about everything including the IRS. I'd live in fear too if I was an ignorant dumass.

You don't know shit about what is considered a legal threat or what it takes to prove it. I'll always be a step ahead of everyone. Just worry about yourself. You'll be dead within 50 years just like me. For all I know I'll be dead tomorrow, but couldnt care less. I already dominated life, there's nothing left for me to do Have fun enjoying so called life and how 'wonderful' it truly is. Most pointless shit ever.

I feel truly bad for you also. You're caught in the rat race like everyone else. There's people making millions per year, people that are billionaires. Who cares how much money you got. The only thing that matters is HOW you earned that money. Try playing blackjack and doing what I'm doing, bet you'll never be able to do it. Anyone can push buttons. Do something unique. We are all dead soon enough so die with something respectable and you'll thank me later when you're on your rocking chair at 80 years old. People only realize all this when theyre about to croak and die. Glad I've always been a step ahead of my years.

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Doesn't work that way for Stand Alone Progressives.
I hit one for $5,360 yesterday that resets at 1,000.
3,884 dollars profit plus Comps/Points/Mailers.
I found it odd that downtown was slow for a holiday weekend on Friday Night and I played until about 8pm.
I'm sure it got more busy/crazy later that night, it just seemed slow to me.
Maybe after the hockey game let out?
I also crushed the book by betting on the Knights Puck Line for Game 7.
The whole town isn't completely Mob Infested.
You can still find some easy spots.

Actually I prefer a Holiday Weekend as it means less heat for me and more people playing to push up progressives.
It's a win/win.
ZenKing making up stories again but nobody writing letters to Casino Executives about a guy who threatened them on multiple forums.
No, people like Boz and others only reserve those letters for the Evil MDawg.

Nice to be able to come over here, to a forum, that allows you to type...

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That's fucking why u fucking retard nigger faggot snowflake bitches.

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If you criticize people for doxing, why dox ZenKing? I didn't know he was Chuck Brown until you tipped us off about him hating kites.

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ZenKing is Jewish.
Everyone knows that.
He posted about it before in the early days of his WoV Rants.
I don't understand why you and others are so upset about people flying kites.
I go out sometimes on a windy day and fly them myself.
Good Fun.

I understand why ZenKing is bashing the Retards, Snowflakes, Faggots and Bitches.
However, if he is going to bash the Niggers why doesn't he bash the Spics, Wops, Chinks, Wetbacks and other derogatory groups??

Anyways, Redietz, don't you have another thread over at WoV you want to create so they can close it for you??
I like how you go over there and call VCT a Hate Site and come over here and call Wizard names.
You really are two faced.
Fucking Scandi-Capper always playing both sides of the fence.

There it is: "ZenKing's Soliloquy.

You're no Shakespeare.

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There it is: "ZenKing's Soliloquy.

You're no Shakespeare.

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Mr. V, when am I gonna 'fizzle out' like you said. You and Boz make a hell of a team. Here's a word of advice. Don't ever doubt the best to ever touch the blackjack felt because the combination of traits that I have won't be seen ever again. And then people call me arrogant. Do you know anyone personally that has ever made 82k in 500 hours betting 2x200 on shoe games exclusively? WHO? And then they call me arrogant hahahha. Just fucking bow down and witness greatness. Everyone at WOV thought I would fail. Everyone back home thought I would fail. Still standing and did without even trying.

Pce

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Do you know anyone personally that has ever made 82k in 500 hours betting 2x200 on shoe games exclusively? WHO?

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I know someone. I am not going to look up what year right now, but I shared it as I was going through it at WoV I believe.

The year started out worst start to a year I have had down 32k, mid April. And then a 5 week period, won $115k. Just kept winning and winning fairly big almost every day. Seemed like evert max bet, every double down I would win. It was to the point that I was drawing attention at every place I played, all my regular games, so I just took a break for a few weeks and then a trip out of town. And then it was over. I won $115k playing blackjack that year, the same amount I won in those 5 weeks.

Your good run could end tomorrow. I hope it doesn't but it could. And then you will be back crying about how you are being cheated. Christ your crying about being cheated now (losing $5500) even during that good run. You have never bothered to learn what variance is and what is to be expected for card counting. That is what being prepared and knowing what to expect is. It's a freaking miracle that you have succeeeded to the point you have. I hope for your sake it continues.

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If you fucking retard ignorant faggots didn't realize. Every holiday weekend in this mob run shit city is rigged. As soon as memorial day hits I drop 5500 in 3 hours. Tell me the last fucking time I dropped even 4k in 3 hours let alone 5...

Not everyone can be me. Lie to yourselves every day online but you only have your retard ass too look at each night with fore you go to bed.

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Hi Zenking,
Congratulations at being the GOAT. You are right, of course and I for one don't try to be you. Forgive me my lack of ambition.

But seriously, one observation/question: You say that every holiday weekend, the city and its games are rigged (Extra rigged?). You've said that before and I don't doubt you are right. You say you just encountered it again with your 5500 drop and you ask when was the last time you ran so bad....

Was it maybe some previous holiday weekend?

Didn't you see it coming? Might it have been a good idea to wong out for the rigged holiday weekend, or did you have some ulterior motive in trying to defy the extra rigged days?

Doesn't look like whatever plan you had was a complete success, unless you aspired to show that you could/would lose.

Stay safe.
OD

The real art is appearing just enough that it remains funny every time.

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If you fucking retard ignorant faggots didn't realize. Every holiday weekend in this mob run shit city is rigged. As soon as memorial day hits I drop 5500 in 3 hours. Tell me the last fucking time I dropped even 4k in 3 hours let alone 5. You're talking to the guy that has had one losing streak over 200 hours in fucking over 2100 hours of blackjack. Well it's the final nail in the coffin. Up 82k for the year in 520 hours or so and I've been cheated every fucking holiday weekend. Find the last person that could make this much betting 2x200 and 2x250 playing only 6 and 8 deck shoes in a 500 hour span. HOW? How are he fuck is that even possible? I'll tell you why cause I'm the fucking best to ever fucking do it. That's why I'm able to get fucking cheated my whole career and still average ov r 150 n hour and not quit. That's fucking why u fucking retard nigger faggot snowflake bitches.

There will NEVER be anyone like me plaun and simple. You can search the history of blackjack and the the future of blackjack and good luck finding someone on my level. Suggest you join the blackjack the discard creates by fraud faggot ryemo and his little blackjack apprenticeship queer buddies. Go learn off them and fail like them. Every guy on that discord is a button pushing retard or a failed blackjack player that either doesn't play or promotes bja and their overpriced retard bootcamps. They feel so comelled to talk they're someone and an expert but don't do fuck all with the game just like everyone on here. All you fake ass faggot APs. Not to mention you'll see idiots with fake percentages on their names to feel special on some anonymous forum. Since they're too autistic and nerd like to have any friends they need someone to accept them. Stay average kids. Be anyone you want to be on the internet. Not everyone can be me. Lie to yourselves every day online but you only have your retard ass too look at each night with fore you go to bed.

The ones who can, DO, and the ones who can't, push buttons, write books, run seminars, run bootcamps, run podcasts, and need a team to bankroll them to play blackjack. Find one solo player that can do what I've done with shoe games. Go ahead and I'll kill myself tomorrow, that's how sure I am you won't find that person.

2x200 bad getting cheated every holiday weekend and still 82k in 520 hours? hahahaha. Best to ever fucking do it and it'll never even be close.

Final nail in the coffin Vegas. You fucked with the wrong guy. Really is a shame. Lights out kids

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The GOAT

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It's spelled GHOAT

Greatest Hack Of All Time

I like this ZK guy. He sees LV for what it is--loaded with freaks, queers, minorities, and the most accomplished bullshitters this side of a fishing tournament. And it didn't take him long to get kew to become rattled enuf by the claims so that he could use the opening to again shamelessly make the spotlight shine over him momentarily. After all, how much sleep has everyone here lost over and over again when we get to read about a kew loss....only to have our anxieties soothed as he concocts tales of flipping the scripts in order that everyone rest at ease?

ZK tells us that he's the GOAT. That just didn't sit right with internet lifer kew, who OBVIOUSLY has always craved being spoken of as a BJ God. So he takes this "in" to make it appear how genuinely concerned he is over ZK's griping, then using his sloppy "by slight of hand" to interject his sick puppy nonsense about himself. Truly pathetic.

^^^^^^^

The ORIGINAL GHOAT :D

Good Morning! Beautiful day today!

Great to be alive and how lucky we all are to live in this country & at this time in history when mankind's achievements are growing exponentially!

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I like this ZK guy. He sees LV for what it is--loaded with ... the most accomplished bullshitters this side of a fishing tournament.

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Indeed.

Singer, meet ZenKing.

There can be only one!

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I like this ZK guy.

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Should have stopped there. THIS says everything anyone needs to know. And it should send ZenKing screaming into the desert.

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Should have stopped there. THIS says everything anyone needs to know. And it should send ZenKing screaming into the desert.

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Well since it's still Memorial Day weekend, I'm sure he's not finished getting cheated in that mob run town. :D

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After all, how much sleep has everyone here lost over and over again when we get to read about a kew loss....only to have our anxieties soothed as he concocts tales of flipping the scripts in order that everyone rest at ease?

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This clearly reveals that you, Rob Singer, a person posing as whatever it is you are posing as, has Zero understanding of how gambling with an advantage and winning longterm works. Those periods of losses, sometimes extreme and quick followed or preceeded by periods of winning, also sometimes extreme but usually a slower climb is how advantage play blackjack works. And players going through it have the need to vent until they get completely comfortable with how these cycles work.

And that is why I have largly remained silent offering a little encouragement during these episodes from ZenKing. I beleive everything Zenking says as far as his results, and cycles he goes through (not so much his conspiracry theories about the losing) because it is exactly how the game works longterm. It is a rollercoaster, up and down, sometimes steep inclines and drops, and in the end, I slight upward trajectory, over the longer ride. So everything Zenking says about his ride rings true to me. It is just time he start to get a grip of this is how it works and not scream during the worst of times, nor all the cocky "I am the greatest" at the peaks.

But again, everything about his journey rings true, as opposed to a guy claiming longterm winnings from a losing game, with voodoo concepts like progressive wagering, stop limits and "special plays".

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Well since it's still Memorial Day weekend, I'm sure he's not finished getting cheated in that mob run town. :D

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You joke about that jbjb and it is sort of funny, but I beleive this to be one of if not the single biggest issue for Zenking.

I don't know exactly how you and your team work, so I am asking with some interest. What happens if you find a juicy game, (straight up counting), maybe extrordinary penetration, or some favorable rules. So after playing this juicy game for a while, a fairly significant amount of play (still statitsically insignificant), you are seeing results that seem pretty unuusal, maybe in the red, or with a large enough sample size, maybe winning but far below expectation. Results unusual enough that thoughts that something isn't on the up and up start to creep into your head. How do you handle it?

Basically you can either move on to other games that you are move comfortable with or continue to play this game that you are starting to become uncomfortable with, and try to prove something, I guess to yourself. I have gone both ways. At EC, when I became uncomfortable with extended results, I sort of did an in-betweener. Stopped playing but wasted time counting down hundreds of shoes.

In the end you realize or at least I did, that it isn't about beating every single casino, every single game, every single dealer, it is about making money in the longrun. And to that end, if there is a game, a situation, a dealer that you are uncomfortable with, it is best to move on. You aren't going to prove anything and aren't going to get to a number (large enogh sample size) at any given situation to prove or disprove anything. You prove it at the end of the year when you can say I won this amount playing the game. Try to prove it for every situation and you just end up stuck in the mud, spinning your wheels wasting time that could be spent winning elsewhere toward the long-term.

In short, I view it as a football game. Every play doesn't work. Some lose yardage. Sometimes several in a row don't work and you have to punt. You win at the end of the game when more have worked than not and you have more points.

I guess what it comes down to is this one concept. Blackjack card counting is a game with sometime very extreme short term fluctuation or varainace in both directions. Assuming you are not being cheated (more in a moment), none of that fluxuation really matters. You fight on to the long run and all that fluctuation goes out the window and the math takes over. Don't focus on those short meaningless periods of fluctuation.

Now in the rare event you find or are convinced of cheating, MOVE ON, and get back on the path to that longterm. It is always about the longterm, because that is where the math can't be denied and it is all about math.

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Well since it's still Memorial Day weekend, I'm sure he's not finished getting cheated in that mob run town. :D

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You joke about that jbjb and it is sort of funny, but I beleive this to be one of if not the single biggest issue for Zenking.

I don't know exactly how you and your team work, so I am asking with some interest. What happens if you find a juicy game, (straight up counting), maybe extrordinary penetration, or some favorable rules. So after playing this juicy game for a while, a fairly significant amount of play (still statitsically insignificant), you are seeing results that seem pretty unuusal, maybe in the red, or with a large enough sample size, maybe winning but far below expectation. Results unusual enough that thoughts that something isn't on the up and up start to creep into your head. How do you handle it?

Basically you can either move on to other games that you are move comfortable with or continue to play this game that you are starting to become uncomfortable with, and try to prove something, I guess to yourself. I have gone both ways. At EC, when I became uncomfortable with extended results, I sort of did an in-betweener. Stopped playing but wasted time counting down hundreds of shoes.

In the end you realize or at least I did, that it isn't about beating every single casino, every single game, every single dealer, it is about making money in the longrun. And to that end, if there is a game, a situation, a dealer that you are uncomfortable with, it is best to move on. You aren't going to prove anything and aren't going to get to a number (large enogh sample size) at any given situation to prove or disprove anything. You prove it at the end of the year when you can say I won this amount playing the game. Try to prove it for every situation and you just end up stuck in the mud, spinning your wheels wasting time that could be spent winning elsewhere toward the long-term.

In short, I view it as a football game. Every play doesn't work. Some lose yardage. Sometimes several in a row don't work and you have to punt. You win at the end of the game when more have worked than not and you have more points.

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I was a straight lone counter for a bunch of years. I had many sessions and days like he's had. I've also had the opposite where you just clean house with minimum bets and no advantage at all.

After years of full time counting still can’t deal with variance without having a meltdown. Most people get over it at some point or move on.

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After years of full time counting still can’t deal with variance without having a meltdown. Most people get over it at some point or move on.

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We recently lost $45k on a carnival game and it didn't even cause us to wince.

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After years of full time counting still can’t deal with variance without having a meltdown. Most people get over it at some point or move on.

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We recently lost $45k on a carnival game and it didn't even cause us to wince.

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There is nothing wrong with a little "wincing" and nothing wrong with a little venting.

Last year which was my 17th year of fulltime play, 12th at my current levels of play, I lost 32, 33k when I returned just after casinos re-opened. Now I have lost 30+k, I don't even know how many times, 6, 7 maybe more. So it should have been no big deal. But what made this a little different, besides the extrodinary circumstances of 2020 and casinos being shut down, is that it occured immadiatly after re-opening, and it occured immediately after I had moved up in stakes. Just sort of caught me off guard even in my 17th year. I went from +13k pre shutdown to -20k in like 2 weeks AND all the loss occured at a single casino, South Point, double deck game.

My immediate, knee-jerk reaction was damn they are cheating. Shorting the deck of A,10's or doing something with the shuffle (hand shuffle) clumping, causing high counts that don't win. I publicly made that accusation (shades of Zenking). And again, this in my 17th year of this shit. :rolleyes:

After calming down, running sims revealing within 3 standard divations (closer to 2 than 3), and even checking the opening procedure of the tables, I realized, yeah I had jumped the gun. (there was a bit of odd procedure in the opening of tables that shouldn't be, but that is another matter).

So after a short break, I played on. It was a good game, they were allowing me to play unrated and spread decently. Won back about half of that amount lost in the next several visits and looking back, I am a bit embarrassed at my knee-jerk reaction at this point of my career. Like, I said, the situation was a little bit different than anything I had gone through before with the covid re-opening and higher stakes, But still I should have known better. But no harm in venting and sharing these experiences, new to you. I think it can be beneficial to other players that may someday go through something similar. They may look back and say, "yeah I remember so and so, sharing a similar experience" that may help them.

But the difference with Zenking is it seems to be the exact same situation. He experiences some negative variance and freaks out. To the point of calling every casino in Vegas crooked and every player winning, a liar. It just gets tiring. :(

Oh BTW, there is a quick solution that can help with these things. I mentioned it above. You run a simulation to see exactly how unusal your fluctuation was and usually you will discover not as unusual or extreme as you thought. So Zenking, did you run a simulation, for the game you were playing, your spread ect to determine just how unusual a $5k loss was over the hours played? :confused: Just eyeballing it, I would say close to but probably under 2 stand deviations. translation: Not that unusual.

Losing $5500 betting 2 x $200 or $250 is common.

I suspect Zen King's expenses take up a large percentage of his winnings. Subsequently, when he comes up against some negative variance it all becomes a double whammy. I cannot imagine how difficult it would be while playing under that scenario. Basically, I live two lives. In the real world, I live in a modest 5 room ranch home and live well but would seem concerative to some people. In the casino, I play the best game available which for the majority of the time is in high-limit rooms. The swings are big like a recent visit where I lost $9500 and won it all back the next day plus a small $900 profit. Understanding the variance involved as well as being properly bankrolled is a necessity because being good in itself is not enough.

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Originally Posted by BoSox

I suspect Zen King's expenses take up a large percentage of his winnings. Subsequently, when he comes up against some negative variance it all becomes a double whammy.

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This is probably true. Sometimes I read these boards and forget that others may not be at the same point in their journey as I am, living month to month or quarter to quarter.

The "double whammy" comment takes me back to 2011. I bought my condo just off strip at Flamingo/Koval in late 2009. So by 2011, I probably had 100k or so in cash (BR/savings) and my condo. So along comes a major medical situation, my fist go around with heart surgery. If memory serves I had been on a little bit of a downturn just prior to my medical situation, plus had just experienced a robbery in that same time period, not a lot, but 6 grand I think.

So you go in the hospital and have your surgery and of course aren't really thinking about finances. More improtant things on your mind. Then you come home and are recovering and of course not playing so no money coming in. Normal living expenses still need to be paid though, mortagage, condo fee, utilities, food. And then almost immediately you start getting medical bills. Even with insurance there are co-pays and things not covered and the bills are rolling in. It just seems like you are hemoragging money. now of course none of this applies to zenking, other than the hemoragging money. If you don't have a lot in reserve and are living sort of month to month or quarter to quarter, these normal swings may seem like hemmoraging money.

The answer to that (for me anyway), was to build enough funds, so that I can set aside money (or just have it in savings) and say this is my living expense for the year. then you can sort of go out and just play and worry less about the everyday swings. Related to longterm thinking I guess. Of course, easier said than done to just say, yeah, accumulate more money. That comes with time.

I have enjoyed this thread, well the response, talking a little blackjack, different folks sharing some thoughts. Doesn't happen often here. On the surface seems like at Zenkings expense, but really, I think there is a lot of good intent (I know there is on my part). I doubt it will matter to him, but whatever. Now going to squeeze in some play today.

Kj, and how many hours was that when you allegedly won 115k? You and everyone else thinks this is a miracle run hahahha. I've been hearing it's a miracle run for the past 400 hours. I'm over 520 hours and been averaging over 150 an hour for the past 400 hours. The reason you guys think it's a miracle run is cause none of you understand the game like I do of how I'm manipulating the game. Im averaging an hourly rate similar to double deck. HOW? Cause I'm not a fucking retard. You do realize I've never had a losing streak over 200 hours more than once in a 2100+ hour sample size right? You do realize my winning streaks also never last for 200 hours other than one time right. You do realize in a round perspective it's always around 15k rounds MAX before it turns around with winning or losing. You do realize this 520 hour recent sample is right after covid when I completely revamped my game and the way I'm playing blackjack right now there's likely no one that has been able to play this way in the history of blackjack. You do realize ive also only had one losing streak over 12k or so in my career. Who else can say all of that? And then people call me arrogant. I never knew facts were arrogant.

Keep thinking this is miracle run like every other retard on the discord that said it was a miracle run at the 100 hour mark, the 200 hour mark, the 300 hour mark, the 400 hour mark, and now the 500 hour mark. There was even a bet where we guessed what my hourly would be after 400 hours and I literally landed it on the dot. Hourly came out to 155.9 and I said it would be 155. And right now it's right around that yet again if not on the dot hahaha. Problem is when you're this good, people just can't believe it. Like what are the chances I literally guessed my hourly after 400 hours on the fucking dot? I don't think I even realize my potential which is scary.

Also for all you idiots commenting about my loss. Maybe if you had some reading comprehension classes and actually understood how to read instead of listening to reply, you listen to understand, you would realize I'm NOT complaining about the 5500 loss, but rather over the fact that I ALWAYS get clobbered on holiday weekends? How is that possible. Not once. Not twice. Not three times. Not 4. Literally every fucking holiday weekend since I've been in Vegas I not only lose but get clobbered. You think that's a coincidence? How many more fucking weekends do you need? Let's say they weren't cheating. Do you realize how much of a fucking troll that is for me to not always lose but get clobbered on every single major holiday weekend? Do you not see the problem with that? Of course you dont cause all of you are fucking fraud retarda.

I also don't believe you won shit. I'm starting to question your whole career. You don't even realize there's surrender and a deep pen game on the strip? Have you been living under a rock, are you just trying to protect where you play, or are you a total fraud? You've even said in the past publicly you don't even play the strip? That's beyond fraudulent. Anyone that's played Vegas knows you won't be able to make upper 5 figures a year solo off strip. All these so called 'great games' you mention that are off strip are bullshit. I've lived in this town 4 years now. If you want to get any decent action down and for long you need to play the strip. You're probably just trying to hide where you play or else your whole career is fraudlent just based off your statements regarding the strip.

One day you'll be as good as me. Tell me how many losing streaks you've had over 200 hours or more than 15k rounds before hitting an all time high. I'll wait. Until then just bow down. And people call this arrogance hahahaha.

Answer to your first question, how many hours in my 5 week, $115k run. I don't track my play by hours, haven't since early in my career. I track rounds played because that is what really matters. But if I had to guestimate hours, I play 25ish a week now. Played a little more back then, so maybe between 175 hours for the 5 weeks.

Now I will jump down to your last question. I have had 5 losing periods that lasted 5 months or longer, roughly 500 hours and rebounded to all-time highs. Not sure what your point is, but that is the answer. These swings in BOTh directions happen.

Now about your current run. Who said it was a miracle run. i didn't. It seems like a good run, above expectation, but within a couple standard deviations, so nothing miraculous. Good for you. I am sincerely happy for you. I don't know why you have this chip on your shoulder that everyone is against you, out to get you and wishing you do poorly. Must be a tough way to go through life.

As for the strip. I really don't play much. I do have 2 casinos in my rotation, not going to say what 2, one independent. One is part of one of the two big chains, but not one of their bigger properties. I just don't like those properties, or really going to the strip at all. Just going there is a hassle. The only time I really play the big boys on the strip is if I am playing on a Saturday night, maybe big fight night, or holiday weekend night, where I can play in the shadow of all the bigger betters and push my limits higher than normal, to $600, $800. It is a slow game with the crowded conditions, but I exchange that for higher limits that I can play. But even that, I just don't like those crowded conditions and all the drunks and pick pockets and scammers that come out at that time. Maybe 3 times a year I play a Saturday or holiday weekned like that. That is what I mean when I say I don't play the strip. Not on a regular basis.

One other consideration about the strip. One of the two big chains is a fairly big contributor to the databases. So any backoff, or heat at one of those properties can have consequences at some of the games in my regular rotation.

I am getting tired of you saying things like "you don't believe I have won shit" or "my whole carreer is fraudulent". You can belive whatever you want, it's not going to effect me. But then don't ask me shit and converse with me. And by the way, you don't really believe that, it is just part of your whole attitude thing, of which I have no idea what is about. Sounds like you are doing fine, so why this really nasty attitude towards me and everyone?

You know what, as I wrote that last question, I did recall that quite a few people at WoV gave you a really hard time as you were getting ready to relocate to Vegas. You brought SOME of that on yourself though, if I remember. Some of them may have actually been hoping you would fail. So that might explain some of the chip on your shoulder, but it wasn't me. That was during my banned period, so not sure what your attitude is with me. But whatever. If that is how you choose to go through life, with a chip on your shoulder and thinking everyone is out to get you, I guess that is your call. But i don't think that is the way it is and those that do want you to fail are mostly anti-AP and trolls. A lot of bitter dudes. Not worth worrying about. Just do your thing. If you want to come on and share how you are doing, even take a little victory lap occasionally, I love to hear it. But all this everyone is out to get me stuff, can't be good for anyone. Chill out, relax and enjoy.

You're not making upper 5 figures playing exclusively off strip. Hate to expose your little fairytale. Maybe you can get away with that shit with people that don't regularly play Vegas, but I've already seen it all here. You're not getting any significant action down to make upper 5 figures year in and year out playing exclusively off strip. What else is new. Internet blackjack frauds. You belong right with all the retards on Ryemos blackjack discord. You guys can talk amongst eachother about your alleged earnings day in and day out and be anyone you want to be online. Enjoy the online attention because when it's time to go to bed you only have your idiot faces to look at in the mirror with an alarm clock ready to be shut off at 5am.

In the meantime, imagine never losing more than 12k more than one time or having a losing streak over 200 hours/15k rounds more than once playing EXCLUSIVELY SHOE GAMES over the course of over 2100+ hours or 2300+ hours if you count my red chip light green days. Then people say I'm not the greatest ever? Are you kidding me? Find someone with those stats and I'll jp off my balcony tomorrow. Don't worry it's just a miracle run for 2300 hours. Combine that with the fact I've been cheated every single holiday weekend or at the very least trolled to lose every single one of those weekends and I still persevered and couldn't lose more than 12k once or lose for over 200 hours/15k rounds more than once. Go ask Ken Uston if he ever did it. Oh wait guy was a literal degen and needed team money to play in which it's rumored he didn't even make money. Go ask Tommy Hyland if he can replicate what I've done. Go ask Colin Jones. Go ask his fairy tale GWAE BJA promo storied people in Joe and Yoshi. Go ask them if they can replicate what I've done. Go ask anyone. You'll never find them.

Just bow down and respect the best to ever do it. Vegas better kill me or pray to God I run bad after this post cause you know how my life works. I'm the troll puppet of the universe. God forbid I spray facts and brag, the world falls on me. You got two options Vegas. Kill me or change it to 6-5, cause I'm not going anywhere ever. This isn't about money, never has been. You better have fun backing me off millions of times and trespassing me. Well theres a third option also, pray I run bad after I talk shit, but I won't be the one worried if that happens. Actually a 4th option, cheat the shit out of me and destroy my bankroll, but if that happens, its going to be an ugly day for all of you. Either way it's a win win for me. You guys are all fucked. Enjoy the rest of your pointless lives.

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You're not making upper 5 figures playing exclusively off strip. Hate to expose your little fairytale. Maybe you can get away with that shit with people that don't regularly play Vegas, but I've already seen it all here. You're not getting any significant action down to make upper 5 figures year in and year out playing exclusively off strip. What else is new. Internet blackjack frauds. You belong right with all the retards on Ryemos blackjack discord. You guys can talk amongst eachother about your alleged earnings day in and day out and be anyone you want to be online. Enjoy the online attention because when it's time to go to bed you only have your idiot faces to look at in the mirror with an alarm clock ready to be shut off at 5am.

In the meantime, imagine never losing more than 12k more than one time or having a losing streak over 200 hours or 15k rounds more than once playing EXCLUSIVELY SHOE GAMES over the course of over 2100+ hours or 2300+ hours if you count my red chip light green days. Then people say I'm not the greatest ever? Are you kidding me? Find someone with those stats and I'll jp off my balcony tomorrow. Don't worry it's just a miracle run for 2300 hours. Combine that with the fact I've been cheated every single holiday weekend or at the very least trolled to lose every single one of those weekends and I still persevered and couldn't lose more than 12k once or lose for over 200 hours/15k rounds more than once. Go ask Ken Uston if he ever did it. Oh wait guy was a literal degen and needed team money to play in which it's rumored he didn't even make money. Go ask Tommy Hyland if he can replicate what I've done. Go ask anyone. You'll never find them.

Just bow down and respect the best to ever do it.

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Pretty nasty post you made, deleted and replaced with this only somewhat less nasty and crazy ass post. I am done with you. Continued good luck to you.

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Originally Posted by ZenKinG

You're not making upper 5 figures playing exclusively off strip. Hate to expose your little fairytale. Maybe you can get away with that shit with people that don't regularly play Vegas, but I've already seen it all here. You're not getting any significant action down to make upper 5 figures year in and year out playing exclusively off strip. What else is new. Internet blackjack frauds. You belong right with all the retards on Ryemos blackjack discord. You guys can talk amongst eachother about your alleged earnings day in and day out and be anyone you want to be online. Enjoy the online attention because when it's time to go to bed you only have your idiot faces to look at in the mirror with an alarm clock ready to be shut off at 5am.

In the meantime, imagine never losing more than 12k more than one time or having a losing streak over 200 hours or 15k rounds more than once playing EXCLUSIVELY SHOE GAMES over the course of over 2100+ hours or 2300+ hours if you count my red chip light green days. Then people say I'm not the greatest ever? Are you kidding me? Find someone with those stats and I'll jp off my balcony tomorrow. Don't worry it's just a miracle run for 2300 hours. Combine that with the fact I've been cheated every single holiday weekend or at the very least trolled to lose every single one of those weekends and I still persevered and couldn't lose more than 12k once or lose for over 200 hours/15k rounds more than once. Go ask Ken Uston if he ever did it. Oh wait guy was a literal degen and needed team money to play in which it's rumored he didn't even make money. Go ask Tommy Hyland if he can replicate what I've done. Go ask anyone. You'll never find them.

Just bow down and respect the best to ever do it.

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Pretty nasty post you made, deleted and replaced with this only somewhat less nasty and crazy ass post. I am done with you. Continued good luck to you.

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You're 'done' with me? When did I ever ask you to 'start' with me? Never. So deuces

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I am done with you.

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Kewlj is a major league Las Vegas forum fraud. He is a big-time loser in real life, and needs places like this and WOV to write and live out his BJ gambling fantasies. I can’t confirm what I was told without being there, but have great confidence where it came from. It was no one that posts on this site.

As strange as ZenKing appears, he makes sense when pointing out several of Kewlj’s lies. When Kewlj declares he’s done with a member is usually when he doesn’t want the discussion to go any further in fear of being exposed. If he’s professional at anything it’s being a professional forum con-artist who specializes in when to pull the plug. His forum behavior could be related to other mental disorders he was forced to live with.

This forum is loaded with different versions of this same type of con artists. This type of bullshit behavior seems to go hand in hand when the title of gambler appears. This place has nothing to do with anything important about gambling or confirmed true unless you’re looking for where to get a free burger and fries.

Waste of time.

ZK, heard you had to get a job to pay bills. How much does picking tomatoes pay?

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Waste of time.

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Glad to see you realized what this forum is good for.

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Originally Posted by blackhole

Kewlj is a major league Las Vegas forum fraud. He is a big-time loser in real life, and needs places like this and WOV to write and live out his BJ gambling fantasies. I can’t confirm what I was told without being there, but have great confidence where it came from. It was no one that posts on this site.

As strange as ZenKing appears, he makes sense when pointing out several of Kewlj’s lies. When Kewlj declares he’s done with a member is usually when he doesn’t want the discussion to go any further in fear of being exposed. If he’s professional at anything it’s being a professional forum con-artist who specializes in when to pull the plug. His forum behavior could be related to other mental disorders he was forced to live with.

This forum is loaded with different versions of this same type of con artists. This type of bullshit behavior seems to go hand in hand when the title of gambler appears. This place has nothing to do with anything important about gambling or confirmed true unless you’re looking for where to get a free burger and fries.

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This troll tactic is one of my favorites. :) "I know all about this guy, from a reliable source, but I can't tell you what I know or the source". :D

Please, please, pretty please tell us Blackhole. I am dying to know. Singer claimed this for years, that he was going to reveal things like where I really worked. I was always anxious to find out what kind of work I do for a living. But he never releaved it. So dissapointing. I am sort of hoping it is In & Out Burger now. I read somewhere they make $160k.

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You're not making upper 5 figures playing exclusively off strip. Hate to expose your little fairytale. Maybe you can get away with that shit with people that don't regularly play Vegas, but I've already seen it all here. You're not getting any significant action down to make upper 5 figures year in and year out playing exclusively off strip. What else is new. Internet blackjack frauds. You belong right with all the retards on Ryemos blackjack discord. You guys can talk amongst eachother about your alleged earnings day in and day out and be anyone you want to be online. Enjoy the online attention because when it's time to go to bed you only have your idiot faces to look at in the mirror with an alarm clock ready to be shut off at 5am.

In the meantime, imagine never losing more than 12k more than one time or having a losing streak over 200 hours/15k rounds more than once playing EXCLUSIVELY SHOE GAMES over the course of over 2100+ hours or 2300+ hours if you count my red chip light green days. Then people say I'm not the greatest ever? Are you kidding me? Find someone with those stats and I'll jp off my balcony tomorrow. Don't worry it's just a miracle run for 2300 hours. Combine that with the fact I've been cheated every single holiday weekend or at the very least trolled to lose every single one of those weekends and I still persevered and couldn't lose more than 12k once or lose for over 200 hours/15k rounds more than once. Go ask Ken Uston if he ever did it. Oh wait guy was a literal degen and needed team money to play in which it's rumored he didn't even make money. Go ask Tommy Hyland if he can replicate what I've done. Go ask Colin Jones. Go ask his fairy tale GWAE BJA promo storied people in Joe and Yoshi. Go ask them if they can replicate what I've done. Go ask anyone. You'll never find them.

Just bow down and respect the best to ever do it. Vegas better kill me or pray to God I run bad after this post cause you know how my life works. I'm the troll puppet of the universe. God forbid I spray facts and brag, the world falls on me. You got two options Vegas. Kill me or change it to 6-5, cause I'm not going anywhere ever. This isn't about money, never has been. You better have fun backing me off millions of times and trespassing me. Well theres a third option also, pray I run bad after I talk shit, but I won't be the one worried if that happens. Actually a 4th option, cheat the shit out of me and destroy my bankroll, but if that happens, its going to be an ugly day for all of you. Either way it's a win win for me. You guys are all fucked. Enjoy the rest of your pointless lives.

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All due respect ZenKinG in that last paragraph that you wrote above you show a lot of instability where you could possibly be a menace not only to yourself but also to a society in general. I hope that I am wrong.

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You're not making upper 5 figures playing exclusively off strip. Hate to expose your little fairytale. Maybe you can get away with that shit with people that don't regularly play Vegas, but I've already seen it all here. You're not getting any significant action down to make upper 5 figures year in and year out playing exclusively off strip. What else is new. Internet blackjack frauds. You belong right with all the retards on Ryemos blackjack discord. You guys can talk amongst eachother about your alleged earnings day in and day out and be anyone you want to be online. Enjoy the online attention because when it's time to go to bed you only have your idiot faces to look at in the mirror with an alarm clock ready to be shut off at 5am.

In the meantime, imagine never losing more than 12k more than one time or having a losing streak over 200 hours/15k rounds more than once playing EXCLUSIVELY SHOE GAMES over the course of over 2100+ hours or 2300+ hours if you count my red chip light green days. Then people say I'm not the greatest ever? Are you kidding me? Find someone with those stats and I'll jp off my balcony tomorrow. Don't worry it's just a miracle run for 2300 hours. Combine that with the fact I've been cheated every single holiday weekend or at the very least trolled to lose every single one of those weekends and I still persevered and couldn't lose more than 12k once or lose for over 200 hours/15k rounds more than once. Go ask Ken Uston if he ever did it. Oh wait guy was a literal degen and needed team money to play in which it's rumored he didn't even make money. Go ask Tommy Hyland if he can replicate what I've done. Go ask Colin Jones. Go ask his fairy tale GWAE BJA promo storied people in Joe and Yoshi. Go ask them if they can replicate what I've done. Go ask anyone. You'll never find them.

Just bow down and respect the best to ever do it. Vegas better kill me or pray to God I run bad after this post cause you know how my life works. I'm the troll puppet of the universe. God forbid I spray facts and brag, the world falls on me. You got two options Vegas. Kill me or change it to 6-5, cause I'm not going anywhere ever. This isn't about money, never has been. You better have fun backing me off millions of times and trespassing me. Well theres a third option also, pray I run bad after I talk shit, but I won't be the one worried if that happens. Actually a 4th option, cheat the shit out of me and destroy my bankroll, but if that happens, its going to be an ugly day for all of you. Either way it's a win win for me. You guys are all fucked. Enjoy the rest of your pointless lives.

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All due respect ZenKinG in that last paragraph that you wrote above you show a lot of instability where you could possibly be a menace not only to yourself but also to a society in general. I hope that I am wrong.

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The threats he's made against casinos should net him in Nevada's "Black Book".

It's just more bovine flatulance from this guy.

Periodically he pops up, dumps a load of road apples then drifts off.

His seeming paranoia is likely camouflage for actual frustration.

Takes all kinds.

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The threats he's made against casinos should net him in Nevada's "Black Book".

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I honestly thought the post made at Wizards site, that was the final straw, might end up with a visit from Police or FBI. And maybe it did, or got him on some kind of watch list (for what that is worth). I don't know. I know there were members at WoV that were honestly concerned enough that some probably reported it to authorities.

The post we are all quoting, is the second version, milder version of a deleted post made minutes earlier that was also even more disturbing than this version.

I hoesestly wish this person nothing but the best. His blackjack journey is real, unlike some of these "fantasy adventures" we deal with, and Zenking is having some success. he could have done so much better if he would have accepted a little help but he burns bridges, sometimes even before he has crossed them.

There is more I can say, but I don't want to trash the guy. I honestly want him to succeed. We all have some problems and deficiencies but this self destructive streak is like nothing I have ever seen.

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ZK, heard you had to get a job to pay bills. How much does picking tomatoes pay?

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Oh yeah when did I have to get a job? I haven't worked a normal job since I started playing blackjack. If you consider working Postmates for 2 months when all the casinos shut down and I couldn't play anywhere, a job, then you're an idiot. I chose not to sit home and burn through bankroll and rather make money and be efficient. Another sign I'm the best ever. Not many counters have that discipline and determination to succeed

Your continued self-aggrandizement consigns you to the slag heap with that other attention whore, douchedawg.

The two of you should swap spit.

"The best ever?"

Hardly.

You're a legend in your own mind, but not in anybody elses.

I do hope that your brags are truthful, as it could lead to you sticking around a bit longer before flaming out; we gotta find our laughs where we can.

Bwa ha ha ... @ you.

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The threats he's made against casinos should net him in Nevada's "Black Book".

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ZenKing has made serious threats to Casinos on WoV and VCT.
Redietz has threatened to blow up Forum Members Vehicles on VCT.
I personally do not take the threats seriously, as they seem cartoon, at best to me but it certainly is towing the line of what can be said or accepted on internet forums.
I still have to commend Dan Druff for sticking to his ideals of allowing Most Speech on his forums.
Obviously Judaism is a very touchy subject with him.
I suppose that is why you do not see any discussion of the current war in Israel/Palestine.

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Your continued self-aggrandizement consigns you to the slag heap with that other attention whore, douchedawg.

The two of you should swap spit.

"The best ever?"

Hardly.

You're a legend in your own mind, but not in anybody elses.

I do hope that your brags are truthful, as it could lead to you sticking around a bit longer before flaming out; we gotta find our laughs where we can.

Bwa ha ha ... @ you.

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Mr. V, how's that 'fizzling' out of my career working out for you. Still standing strong. Hey Boz, how's that bridge I was supposed to be under by now treating you? You're telling me I've been cheated every holiday weekend, thousands in car repairs every year, 1300 in total rent a month after utilities, over 3k furnishing my apartment and I still have a bigger bankroll/net worth than 99% of AP frauds and people my age? All with 10% effort? All by playing with a 1% edge? WOW. Like with everything I'm the exception to the rule. Some of my so called negative traits would make 99.9% fail but guess what I've been the 0.1% my whole life. How am I still standing? HOW? When is the fizzling out happening? I'm waiting. Go ask all of WOV about what happened to me failing? Too easy. Sick of proving everyone wrong. I gain nothing cause you droned out idiots just keep going on with your life and no one learns anything. What do I gain by proving an ignorant drone wrong? Theyre a droned out retard for a reason. Nothing will be learned. Then we all die in 50 years and the cycle repeats itself. Pointless life

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Originally Posted by blackhole

Kewlj is a major league Las Vegas forum fraud. He is a big-time loser in real life, and needs places like this and WOV to write and live out his BJ gambling fantasies. I can’t confirm what I was told without being there, but have great confidence where it came from. It was no one that posts on this site.

As strange as ZenKing appears, he makes sense when pointing out several of Kewlj’s lies. When Kewlj declares he’s done with a member is usually when he doesn’t want the discussion to go any further in fear of being exposed. If he’s professional at anything it’s being a professional forum con-artist who specializes in when to pull the plug. His forum behavior could be related to other mental disorders he was forced to live with.

This forum is loaded with different versions of this same type of con artists. This type of bullshit behavior seems to go hand in hand when the title of gambler appears. This place has nothing to do with anything important about gambling or confirmed true unless you’re looking for where to get a free burger and fries.

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This troll tactic is one of my favorites. :) "I know all about this guy, from a reliable source, but I can't tell you what I know or the source". :D

Please, please, pretty please tell us Blackhole. I am dying to know. Singer claimed this for years, that he was going to reveal things like where I really worked. I was always anxious to find out what kind of work I do for a living. But he never releaved it. So dissapointing. I am sort of hoping it is In & Out Burger now. I read somewhere they make $160k.

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Your deflection efforts are second to known. Another signature of your long-term forum experience.

While we’re on the subject of personal achievements, how is your brother doing with the blackjack? Weren’t you grooming him to become the second person able to beat Las Vegas for his next 20 years? Does he make as much as you claim playing BJ? Or did he pull the plug on the whole thing? Between the both of you if he’s still there, Las Vegas casinos certainly are looking like suckers when it comes to gambling.

For the record you would never have the credentials to get employed by In and Out Burgers.

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Originally Posted by ZenKinG

Pointless life

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I agree, as currently lived your life certainly seems to be pointless: you're just spinning your wheels.

AP's like KJ seem to approach it correctly: for him it's just a job, but one he takes seriously and in a balanced way.

You however look at it as a crusade, a war, an emotional battle against the Evil Empire.

You come off as an unmedicated bipolar / manic-depressive.

Dude, lighten up, it's just a job ... assuming you're making enough money to support yourself, which is still in doubt.

Get married, settle down, get a job, play for fun and most of all quit being so fucking uptight and angry against the world: you clearly ack the discipline / mental fortitude and will almost certainly fail and jump off a bridge if you keep riding your personal crazy train.

So it is written.

Hey ZenKing. I'm one of the "retards" on Ryemo's discord. Sorry I made fun of you so much over there.

1. Losing 5500 in 3 hours betting 2x200 is about a 1.5% probability using the trip ruin widget on CVCX. (If you play perfectly despite being mega-tilted about the "rigged" holiday weekend.)


2. If you want to prove to us that the holiday weekends are actually rigged, show us weekend logs with total results in the bottom 0.01% and pass a 1000-hand test on casino verite. If you can do both of those things I'll pay you $1000
Or you could just skip all these rigged holiday weekends if you really believe they're rigged.

3. You definitely have some kind of mood problem. If you don't like big pharma, there are some natural supplements that can sometimes help with mood: fish oil, vitamin D, creatine, St. John's Wort, Zembrin

4. Don't shit on button pushers. EV is EV. A lot of slot plays are not obvious.

5. Until you're richer than Bill Benter, you don't get to call yourself the Best To Ever Do It. Unless by "It" you mean a very specific form of AP that involves only solo counting shoes on the strip and measuring results in max bets instead of dollars. Even at that, there might be some old timers who've won more than you. Tommy Hyland's been making a living counting for many decades.

6. You don't need to be the Best To Ever Do It to prove your father wrong about calling you a failure or whatever. You're not a failure. Most wannabe APs crash and burn and go back to their day jobs. You're living the dream compared to a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by McDuck

Hey ZenKing. I'm one of the "retards" on Ryemo's discord. Sorry I made fun of you so much over there.

1. Losing 5500 in 3 hours betting 2x200 is about a 1.5% probability using the trip ruin widget on CVCX. (If you play perfectly despite being mega-tilted about the "rigged" holiday weekend.)

2. If you want to prove to us that the holiday weekends are actually rigged, show us weekend logs with total results in the bottom 0.01% and pass a 1000-hand test on casino verite. If you can do both of those things I'll pay you $1000
Or you could just skip all these rigged holiday weekends if you really believe they're rigged.

3. You definitely have some kind of mood problem. If you don't like big pharma, there are some natural supplements that can sometimes help with mood: fish oil, vitamin D, creatine, St. John's Wort, Zembrin

4. Don't shit on button pushers. EV is EV. A lot of slot plays are not obvious.

5. Until you're richer than Bill Benter, you don't get to call yourself the Best To Ever Do It. Unless by "It" you mean a very specific form of AP that involves only solo counting shoes on the strip and measuring results in max bets instead of dollars. Even at that, there might be some old timers who've won more than you. Tommy Hyland's been making a living counting for many decades.

6. You don't need to be the Best To Ever Do It to prove your father wrong about calling you a failure or whatever. You're not a failure. Most wannabe APs crash and burn and go back to their day jobs. You're living the dream compared to a lot of people.

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Nice post and welcome McDuck. Not sure if you intend to sick around or not, but welcome.

A couple thoughts if I may. In response to ZK's "I am the greatest" rants, I always say the best card counter was probably some dude from the 80, that no one has ever even heard of. Just did his thing, made his monet and that was it. Best now, probably similar, some dude, that doesn't post anywhere, proabably not a Vegas exclusive player because there are so many better games elsewhere, so he probably just travels around playing keeping a low profile.

Also, I know of a number of players like myself that started with a really small BR (barely 5 figures or under) and had to spend their first year or two building that up before they could even get started. Zenking showed up in Vegas with a BR better than 50k. That is an advantage many of us didn't have. So he sort of was able to skip the minor league and jump right to the major leages. I don't fault him for that, but on the otherhand, don't tell me you are the best until you have survived that low limit, BR building process that knocks many players out. No short cuts.

On an unrelated note: I stopped at 3 stores on the strip towards the end of my day today. Won 2 sessions, Lost one, but the losing session was bigger than the wins, so that part of my day didn't net much in winnings or EV. the problem wasn't casinos cheating during a holiday weekend (that is in his mind). The problem is crowded conditions and very slow moving games because of crowded conditions (and side bets). The very reason, I don't stop at the strip more often. Better opportunities elsewhere.

Don't know if it hit 100 degrees today but was close. Rest of the week is supposed to be 100+ with a couple 105's mid week. It is too hot to go through the hassle of playing the strip, parking, walking, just to find a game that is crowded and moves slow and hard to make much money.

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Originally Posted by McDuck

Hey ZenKing. I'm one of the "retards" on Ryemo's discord. Sorry I made fun of you so much over there.

1. Losing 5500 in 3 hours betting 2x200 is about a 1.5% probability using the trip ruin widget on CVCX. (If you play perfectly despite being mega-tilted about the "rigged" holiday weekend.)

2. If you want to prove to us that the holiday weekends are actually rigged, show us weekend logs with total results in the bottom 0.01% and pass a 1000-hand test on casino verite. If you can do both of those things I'll pay you $1000
Or you could just skip all these rigged holiday weekends if you really believe they're rigged.

3. You definitely have some kind of mood problem. If you don't like big pharma, there are some natural supplements that can sometimes help with mood: fish oil, vitamin D, creatine, St. John's Wort, Zembrin

4. Don't shit on button pushers. EV is EV. A lot of slot plays are not obvious.

5. Until you're richer than Bill Benter, you don't get to call yourself the Best To Ever Do It. Unless by "It" you mean a very specific form of AP that involves only solo counting shoes on the strip and measuring results in max bets instead of dollars. Even at that, there might be some old timers who've won more than you. Tommy Hyland's been making a living counting for many decades.

6. You don't need to be the Best To Ever Do It to prove your father wrong about calling you a failure or whatever. You're not a failure. Most wannabe APs crash and burn and go back to their day jobs. You're living the dream compared to a lot of people.

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Nice post and welcome McDuck. Not sure if you intend to sick around or not, but welcome.

A couple thoughts if I may. In response to ZK's "I am the greatest" rants, I always say the best card counter was probably some dude from the 80, that no one has ever even heard of. Just did his thing, made his monet and that was it. Best now, probably similar, some dude, that doesn't post anywhere, proabably not a Vegas exclusive player because there are so many better games elsewhere, so he probably just travels around playing keeping a low profile.

Also, I know of a number of players like myself that started with a really small BR (barely 5 figures or under) and had to spend their first year or two building that up before they could even get started. Zenking showed up in Vegas with a BR better than 50k. That is an advantage many of us didn't have. So he sort of was able to skip the minor league and jump right to the major leages. I don't fault him for that, but on the otherhand, don't tell me you are the best until you have survived that low limit, BR building process that knocks many players out. No short cuts.

On an unrelated note: I stopped at 3 stores on the strip towards the end of my day today. Won 2 sessions, Lost one, but the losing session was bigger than the wins, so that part of my day didn't net much in winnings or EV. the problem wasn't casinos cheating during a holiday weekend (that is in his mind). The problem is crowded conditions and very slow moving games because of crowded conditions (and side bets). The very reason, I don't stop at the strip more often. Better opportunities elsewhere.

Don't know if it hit 100 degrees today but was close. Rest of the week is supposed to be 100+ with a couple 105's mid week. It is too hot to go through the hassle of playing the strip, parking, walking, just to find a game that is crowded and moves slow and hard to make much money.

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Did you seriously just try and make it sound like I was given 50k out of thin air to play? Did you not think I grinded lower stakes to build that up along with working two jobs? What else is new. People need to make assumptions about me to fit their narrative to even have a chance at arguing with me. Good luck with your fairy tale upper 5 figures playing off strip. Be anyone you want to be online but when you go to sleep each night you only have your fraud ass to look at.

It appears that the SportsBook is rigged in the players favor on Memorial Day.
Don't Bet Parlays.

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Originally Posted by blackhole

While we’re on the subject of personal achievements, how is your brother doing with the blackjack? Weren’t you grooming him to become the second person able to beat Las Vegas for his next 20 years after moving in with you? Or did he pull the plug on the whole thing?

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No comments on this subject you started awhile ago?

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Originally Posted by blackhole

While we’re on the subject of personal achievements, how is your brother doing with the blackjack? Weren’t you grooming him to become the second person able to beat Las Vegas for his next 20 years after moving in with you? Or did he pull the plug on the whole thing?

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No comments on this subject you started awhile ago?

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My brother is doing fine. I know that is not what you want to hear so you will make up your own narrative.

I don't feel it is my place to share too much details of his experiences, so I don't. If there is something extrordinary that happens that I feel other players may benefit from sharing, I will do so, if I can do so without giving up too much detail, but that hasn't really occured. He is just grinding along fairly steady.

About the only concern I have about him, is he has not really experienced a year, or even extended losing period of many months. So I want to be around to lend support when that does occur and it will at some point. It is part of this game. You don't know how yourself or anyone handles that until it occurs. As we can see from "other threads" some player just never seem to learn how to hand this, and I want to be sure he learns how, because I don't think you can really succeed at card counting until you understand and can handle that part of the game.

I didn't "groom" him for anything. He came to Vegas after graduating college and wanted to learn what I do. I tried to discourage him and sort of put him on hold for almost a whole year and then reluctantly taught him what I could. I don't know if it is going to be a lifelong passion or career for him. At this point I think he just likes the money and the freedom that comes with this sort of self employment lifestyle.

But again, I am sure you will make up your own lies and narrative, because you don't want to hear that their are people that can make money with a little bit of knowledge and effort. That is just not something losing gamblers like you, want to hear or accept and in your case are very bitter about.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

ZK, heard you had to get a job to pay bills. How much does picking tomatoes pay?

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Oh yeah when did I have to get a job? I haven't worked a normal job since I started playing blackjack. If you consider working Postmates for 2 months when all the casinos shut down and I couldn't play anywhere, a job, then you're an idiot. I chose not to sit home and burn through bankroll and rather make money and be efficient. Another sign I'm the best ever. Not many counters have that discipline and determination to succeed

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Postmates, eh? Yeah, I used the Walmart grocery delivery for a year when I was hiding from the vid. I'm in the high risk group. Tipped the delivery driver 10 bucks. Here's a tip for you grocery shoppers. I did an online comparison and Walmart groceries are average 25% cheaper than the other chain grocery stores.

Glad you found work for a few months to hold you over, ZK. Me? I didn't do jackshit for a year. Layed up on my ass. It put hardly a dent in my bankroll. But then, I've been at it a lot more years than rookies like you. If you work hard and quit bitching over the variance maybe you will get there someday.

Oh, and your comments about "button pushers." In order to be a successful machine pro you have to be able to count higher than 21. That pretty much disqualifies you.

PS: A dirty little secret. I used to bitch about the variance too when I was a rookie like you. But eventually it just became a routine part of doing business. Your bitching won't do any good. Variance is always going to be there so get used to it.

Still Upset... Very Upset!
Now it is payback time.
ZenKing and Constanza have many similarities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IiYZBdc9A

ZK, your interest in law is commendable.

You might want to consider becoming a personal injury plaintiff's trial attorney, in which event you can continue tilting against windmills but in that case the enemy would be real and at hand: the defending insurance companies.

You can make a lot more of money at that game than counting cards today if you're up to the game.

Otherwise ... well, whatever.