Hahahha it fucking happened again

Pick up a $5 bill off the floor and the whole world falls on me. Immediately drop 2600 and 3k for the night. Now I'm down like 8500 ever since this holiday weekend the summer kicks in and everything is at 100% capacity. Every fucking may and June this happens? WHY? Everything back to normal and casinos charging for parking. Get ready for the same shit that happened when I first got to town. Fucking rigged mothwrfukers. I swear something will finally go down. I've had enough of being the fucking troll puppet of this universe. Let's say they weren't cheqting. Imagine being trolled like I am time and time again. Imagine getting cursed every fucking time u do something that can be labeled bad akrma . Imagine fucking thqtm .Just a 'coincidence' right'. ROFL. Then people say it's all in my head and it's a 'coincidence'. Yea every fucking time is a coincidence right. Everything I mention d above. It's always a coincidence rjght. Am I a fucking troll puppet to this simqtion we live in. If I go kick a guy in a wheelchair right now, wat h what happens lmao. Count your fucking blessings retards. Imagine being me and still having a bankroll with being the troll puppet of this universe and walking on eggshells my whole life. We'll see whats a coincidence when all hell breaks loose. Let me know what a coincidence is when all hell breaks loose you fucking queer faggots cocksuckers

You were supposed to give the 5 plus another 5 to the next bum you saw. By now you should know how this game of life works. :)

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Pick up a $5 bill off the floor and the whole world falls on me. Immediately drop 2600 and 3k for the night. Now I'm down like 8500 ever since this holiday weekend the summer kicks in and everything is at 100% capacity. Every fucking may and June this happens? WHY? Everything back to normal and casinos charging for parking. Get ready for the same shit that happened when I first got to town. Fucking rigged mothwrfukers. I swear something will finally go down. I've had enough of being the fucking troll puppet of this universe. Let's say they weren't cheqting. Imagine being trolled like I am time and time again. Imagine getting cursed every fucking time u do something that can be labeled bad akrma . Imagine fucking thqtm .Just a 'coincidence' right'. ROFL. Then people say it's all in my head and it's a 'coincidence'. Yea every fucking time is a coincidence right. Everything I mention d above. It's always a coincidence rjght. Am I a fucking troll puppet to this simqtion we live in. If I go kick a guy in a wheelchair right now, wat h what happens lmao. Count your fucking blessings retards. Imagine being me and still having a bankroll with being the troll puppet of this universe and walking on eggshells my whole life. We'll see whats a coincidence when all hell breaks loose. Let me know what a coincidence is when all hell breaks loose you fucking queer faggots cocksuckers

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Ok, you are punking us right? You can't possible have been playing this game for as long as you claim, have had the mild success that you claim and not understand normal....very normal variance.

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Pick up a $5 bill off the floor and the whole world falls on me. Immediately drop 2600 and 3k for the night. Now I'm down like 8500 ever since this holiday weekend the summer kicks in and everything is at 100% capacity. Every fucking may and June this happens? WHY? Everything back to normal and casinos charging for parking. Get ready for the same shit that happened when I first got to town. Fucking rigged mothwrfukers. I swear something will finally go down. I've had enough of being the fucking troll puppet of this universe. Let's say they weren't cheqting. Imagine being trolled like I am time and time again. Imagine getting cursed every fucking time u do something that can be labeled bad akrma . Imagine fucking thqtm .Just a 'coincidence' right'. ROFL. Then people say it's all in my head and it's a 'coincidence'. Yea every fucking time is a coincidence right. Everything I mention d above. It's always a coincidence rjght. Am I a fucking troll puppet to this simqtion we live in. If I go kick a guy in a wheelchair right now, wat h what happens lmao. Count your fucking blessings retards. Imagine being me and still having a bankroll with being the troll puppet of this universe and walking on eggshells my whole life. We'll see whats a coincidence when all hell breaks loose. Let me know what a coincidence is when all hell breaks loose you fucking queer faggots cocksuckers

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Ok, you are punking us right? You can't possible have been playing this game for as long as you claim, have had the mild success that you claim and not understand normal....very normal variance.

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To all of you it's a punk cause you actually don't realize and can't fathom what actually happens to me every single time and how much of a troll my life is. For the millionth time you dumass, it's NOT about the loss, but the very fact every loss is always related to something. That's what ticks me off. Every single major loss always has something attributed to it. God fucking for I'd just once in my life I pick up a $5 bill off the floor and win a fucking session, let alone lose my ass. God forbid a majlr holiday comes around and I win a session, let alone lose my ass. You have zero clue. Every May and June I get my ass beat every fucking year. Now with everything opening up again, say goodbye to my bankroll, it's over. The cheating is back in full throttle. I had a year of normal gaming when they were starving for customers and had to make sure they all come back.

You might think this is selective memory but it isn't. This literally happens every fucking time, anyone living in my shoes would've committed suicide by now by how predetermined their life is based on the actions they take. I can't do anything bad to anyone or the world falls on me. Imagine walking on eggshells your whole life. Imagine losing every single time a holiday weekend hits. Imagine losing whenever there's a chance for a possible 'coincidence'. I literally can't win one fucking time to conquer any of this so called 'coincidence' bullshit and then they say we don't live in a simulation. This whole fucking life is predetermined. Enjoy this pointless predetermined life. If I kick a guy in a wheel chair every day from now on, bankroll will be destroyed. That's my life purpose. I'm not allowed to commit any sins or the world falls on me. Fuck all of u. You don't know what I go through to be tortured and trolled by this predetermined garbage.

Religious upbringing?

ZenKinG, you claim to be the best in the world to ever play the game, in reality, you sound like a poor child always looking for attention. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and act like a man.

Look, it is this simple. If you are really 82k up for the year based on 520 hours play, (or were last weekend) then by my rough calculatuions you are running at least twice ahead of expectation or EV for your level of play for that period. Over these 5 months, averaging more than 16k a month, you surely had winning sessions and days of $3000, $4000, $5000 or more. I didn't see you freaking out and saying something must be wrong about those size WINS? These size win and losses, $3000, $4000, $5000 are very, very normal for the levels you are playing. These are very normal swings and variance.

You should have learned that a long time ago, but regardless of that, this is were you are now and if you can't handle these kinds of very normal swings, in both directions, then this game, this life, this lifestyle is not for you. Take whatever winnings you have and walk away NOW and find something less stressful, less "tourturing" to do for a living.

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ZenKinG, you claim to be the best in the world to ever play the game, in reality, you sound like a poor child always looking for attention. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and act like a man.

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I clicked on this thread to write something similar. Zenking just shows up to rant, rant, rant, and then disappears for long stretches only to come back and rant, rant, rant, more and disappear for long stretches again, and comes back to rant, rant, rant, disappear, rinse and repeat. It gets REALLY annoying.

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ZenKinG, you claim to be the best in the world to ever play the game, in reality, you sound like a poor child always looking for attention. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and act like a man.

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I clicked on this thread to write something similar. Zenking just shows up to rant, rant, rant, and then disappears for long stretches only to come back and rant, rant, rant, more and disappear for long stretches again, and comes back to rant, rant, rant, disappear, rinse and repeat. It gets REALLY annoying.

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Nah, that's why the first return rant is always funny. If ZenKing ranted every day, it would lose its comedic value. Always leave the audience wanting more.

More weekend humor from Zensucker. I love it!

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Pick up a $5 bill off the floor and the whole world falls on me. Immediately drop 2600 and 3k for the night. Now I'm down like 8500 ever since this holiday weekend the summer kicks in and everything is at 100% capacity. Every fucking may and June this happens? WHY? Everything back to normal and casinos charging for parking. Get ready for the same shit that happened when I first got to town. Fucking rigged mothwrfukers. I swear something will finally go down. I've had enough of being the fucking troll puppet of this universe. Let's say they weren't cheqting. Imagine being trolled like I am time and time again. Imagine getting cursed every fucking time u do something that can be labeled bad akrma . Imagine fucking thqtm .Just a 'coincidence' right'. ROFL. Then people say it's all in my head and it's a 'coincidence'. Yea every fucking time is a coincidence right. Everything I mention d above. It's always a coincidence rjght. Am I a fucking troll puppet to this simqtion we live in. If I go kick a guy in a wheelchair right now, wat h what happens lmao. Count your fucking blessings retards. Imagine being me and still having a bankroll with being the troll puppet of this universe and walking on eggshells my whole life. We'll see whats a coincidence when all hell breaks loose. Let me know what a coincidence is when all hell breaks loose you fucking queer faggots cocksuckers

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I don't think you should pluralize the word faggot, in your last sentence.

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Pick up a $5 bill off the floor and the whole world falls on me. Immediately drop 2600 and 3k for the night. Now I'm down like 8500 ever since this holiday weekend the summer kicks in and everything is at 100% capacity. Every fucking may and June this happens? WHY? Everything back to normal and casinos charging for parking. Get ready for the same shit that happened when I first got to town. Fucking rigged mothwrfukers. I swear something will finally go down. I've had enough of being the fucking troll puppet of this universe. Let's say they weren't cheqting. Imagine being trolled like I am time and time again. Imagine getting cursed every fucking time u do something that can be labeled bad akrma . Imagine fucking thqtm .Just a 'coincidence' right'. ROFL. Then people say it's all in my head and it's a 'coincidence'. Yea every fucking time is a coincidence right. Everything I mention d above. It's always a coincidence rjght. Am I a fucking troll puppet to this simqtion we live in. If I go kick a guy in a wheelchair right now, wat h what happens lmao. Count your fucking blessings retards. Imagine being me and still having a bankroll with being the troll puppet of this universe and walking on eggshells my whole life. We'll see whats a coincidence when all hell breaks loose. Let me know what a coincidence is when all hell breaks loose you fucking queer faggots cocksuckers

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I don't think you should pluralize the word faggot, in your last sentence.

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He makes as many or more spelling errors than Axel. :D

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Fucking rigged mothwrfukers. I swear something will finally go down... I've had enough of being the fucking troll puppet of this universe. We'll see whats a coincidence when all hell breaks loose. Let me know what a coincidence is when all hell breaks loose you fucking queer faggots cocksuckers

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What will "go down," and what will you do to make sure "all hell breaks loose?"

Do you plan to harm people other than yourself?

Just wondering.

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Fucking rigged mothwrfukers. I swear something will finally go down... I've had enough of being the fucking troll puppet of this universe. We'll see whats a coincidence when all hell breaks loose. Let me know what a coincidence is when all hell breaks loose you fucking queer faggots cocksuckers

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What will "go down," and what will you do to make sure "all hell breaks loose?"

Do you plan to harm people other than yourself?

Just wondering.

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Pick up a $5 bill off the floor and the whole world falls on me. Immediately drop 2600 and 3k for the night. Now I'm down like 8500 ever since this holiday weekend the summer kicks in and everything is at 100% capacity. Every fucking may and June this happens? WHY? Everything back to normal and casinos charging for parking. Get ready for the same shit that happened when I first got to town. Fucking rigged mothwrfukers. I swear something will finally go down. I've had enough of being the fucking troll puppet of this universe. Let's say they weren't cheqting. Imagine being trolled like I am time and time again. Imagine getting cursed every fucking time u do something that can be labeled bad akrma . Imagine fucking thqtm .Just a 'coincidence' right'. ROFL. Then people say it's all in my head and it's a 'coincidence'. Yea every fucking time is a coincidence right. Everything I mention d above. It's always a coincidence rjght. Am I a fucking troll puppet to this simqtion we live in. If I go kick a guy in a wheelchair right now, wat h what happens lmao. Count your fucking blessings retards. Imagine being me and still having a bankroll with being the troll puppet of this universe and walking on eggshells my whole life. We'll see whats a coincidence when all hell breaks loose. Let me know what a coincidence is when all hell breaks loose you fucking queer faggots cocksuckers

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I don't think you should pluralize the word faggot, in your last sentence.

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Actually, in addition to the pluralization, both "queer" and "faggots" are being used as adjectives here to describe or modify the noun "cocksuckers". While this is also grammatically incorrect, I wonder what the difference is between a "cocksucker" a "faggots cocksucker", and a "queer faggots cocksucker".

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Actually, in addition to the pluralization, both "queer" and "faggots" are being used as adjectives here to describe or modify the noun "cocksuckers". While this is also grammatically incorrect, I wonder what the difference is between a "cocksucker" a "faggots cocksucker", and a "queer faggots cocksucker".

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Pick up a $5 bill off the floor and the whole world falls on me. Immediately drop 2600 and 3k for the night. Now I'm down like 8500 ever since this holiday weekend the summer kicks in and everything is at 100% capacity. Every fucking may and June this happens? WHY? Everything back to normal and casinos charging for parking. Get ready for the same shit that happened when I first got to town. Fucking rigged mothwrfukers. I swear something will finally go down. I've had enough of being the fucking troll puppet of this universe. Let's say they weren't cheqting. Imagine being trolled like I am time and time again. Imagine getting cursed every fucking time u do something that can be labeled bad akrma . Imagine fucking thqtm .Just a 'coincidence' right'. ROFL. Then people say it's all in my head and it's a 'coincidence'. Yea every fucking time is a coincidence right. Everything I mention d above. It's always a coincidence rjght. Am I a fucking troll puppet to this simqtion we live in. If I go kick a guy in a wheelchair right now, wat h what happens lmao. Count your fucking blessings retards. Imagine being me and still having a bankroll with being the troll puppet of this universe and walking on eggshells my whole life. We'll see whats a coincidence when all hell breaks loose. Let me know what a coincidence is when all hell breaks loose you fucking queer faggots cocksuckers

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I don't think you should pluralize the word faggot, in your last sentence.

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Actually, in addition to the pluralization, both "queer" and "faggots" are being used as adjectives here to describe or modify the noun "cocksuckers". While this is also grammatically incorrect, I wonder what the difference is between a "cocksucker" a "faggots cocksucker", and a "queer faggots cocksucker".

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If Don S from bjtf posted here, he'd be able to tell us.

Since there were many mispellings in the post, my first thought was that the word "faggot" was mispelled and he meant to say "fagot", which is a bundle of twigs or sticks bound together to create a slower burning fuel. Use in a sentence: When monet goes camping, first thing he does is to search for fagots. How odd or "queer" (meaning odd). ;)

But that doesn't make a lot of sense (in keeping with most of the post) so absent the mispelling angle, "faggot cocksucker". Would that not be a cocksucker who like to suck gay guys? Could even be a female cocksucker, that for some reason drawn to sucking gay dudes.

Now if faggot is being used as a more derogatory form of the word gay, then you have a gay cocksucker, meaning a person who knows how to give a proper blow job, not the half handy / half blowy that most females give. :D

Why are you mincing words when ZK's post presents a clear and present danger?

What is his end game?

Will he try to outdo the Mandalay Bay shooter?

He seems crazy enough.

Now if I can be serious for a moment, in this thread of absurdity. When I started posting on blackjack and gambling forums, about 15 years ago now, I knew that I wasn't going to have too much new to offer. I am a card counter. Nothing new about that or the basic math and techniques. I do have a few little unique twists that I apply based on my own circumstances of playing a location that has many games in close proximity, that I have shared. Things like very aggressive wong-outs of negative counts (allowing for a reduced spread) and tracking a second table when the opportunity is there. There are several others that I have kept to myself. But basically, what I do is just old fashion card counting with small twists, so I knew I wouldn't have much to add to the forums as far as anything new or groundbreaking.

Also, because I am not what I call a "math guy", I knew I wouldn't be one ones to delve deep into the math and formulas and that kind of thing. You really don't need to get into that to be successful, but those discussions come up. There is one ongoing at WoV between Moses and Moraine. And there ARE math experts capable of answering and getting into the math, people like Don Schlesinger, and Wizard, Doghand, to name a few well known. So that wasn't going to be my place either.

I decided that what I had to offer was a sharing of my experiences, or what I call my journey as a mid-level card counter, which would show not only what range of annual earnings was possible (mid to upper 5 figures), but what a player goes through to earn that, the variance and swings, both winning and losing that are completely normal for that level of play. That is my thing. Documenting the variance and swings and obstacles involved. And despite a lot of critisism, I thought I had done a pretty good job of that for anyone interested.

So along comes Zenking, someone who it is very clear moved to Las Vegas to pursue a blackjack career after reading my accounts. I beleive he has stated that. And I have heard there are others that pursued blackjack because of me (maybe not moving to LV). Now I want to be very clear, I never encouraged anyone to follow me or what I do, I usually discourage it, including my own brother.

So to read these continuing posts by Zenking, is concerning to me. He has been in Las Vegas for 4 years, and i don't know 5 or 6 maybe more years into playing and still has zero understanding of the variance and swings to be expected....that are completely normal. Either I have failed miserably in my 15 years of sharing what exactly is to be expected as far as variance and swings, or like I suggested earlier, he just is not cut out for this. Because 6 years in, he should not be freaking out over very normal variance and swings. Either way, I find it a kind of dis-heartening.

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Why are you mincing words when ZK's post presents a clear and present danger?

What is his end game?

Will he try to outdo the Mandalay Bay shooter?

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MisterV, I understand your concern. Others share that concern. I share that concern. And it is the exact reason why he is banned at WoV.

I have spoken with people that have met ZK personally, and to a person, they all say he is not like that in person. That he is quiet and polite and funny. And while I respect that, how many times after someone goes off the deep end, do we hear family freinds and people that know him say I never would have guessed. That isn't who he was.

I have thought about getting more involved with Zenking on several different occasions. It was even asked of me by a prominent Las Vegas AP (who does not post here). And I have even thought about it in the last week, with these new posts and threads. And each time I think about it, I decide I can't. So happens right now, I am trying to rebound from a poor year, some of it due to covid circumstances, some of it just bad variance. So I am trying to play a lot and build significant EV and hope for decent variance and a decent rebound type year. So I don't have time to take off 6 months and teach someone about variance and swings that they should know 6 years in.

But even more importantly, the guy scares the hell out of me. from his posts, I don't think he is stable and I don't know what he is capable of and don't want to find out. Blackjack AP's, probably all AP's vent on occasion, during those really nasty swings. Sometimes it is just good to talk or write about it with other AP's who know and have experienced those swings. I did so as recently as last year with an extrodinary bad run at South Point. But these runs of zenking is describing aren't even extrodinarily bad, they are pretty normal, to be expected for that level of play. But it is the threat sometimes veiled, sometimes completely open, of doing something crazy that is most disturbing. I can't and won't be a part or anywhere near that.

I will close with a final (said that before :rolleyes:) bit of advice to ZK. First, I am not out to embarrass you. As I said earlier, years into this, it is obvious to me and almost everyone else that you are just not cut out for this. My advice remains, stop playing, take what money you have made and find something else to do for a living, something that doesn't make you crazy.

But I know you aren't going to follow that advice. In part because unlike most people who are trying to prove something to themselves, you are trying to prove something to all those that you perceive having doubted you, starting with your parents. So You aren't going to walk away as you should.

That being the case, you have got to find away to understand and accept the normal variance of blackjack card counting. At times you lose and some of those times you lose BIG. Period. You do everything right and you lose BIG! That is precisely why a large bankroll is needed. Until you understand and can accept that, you are doomed.

Nothing I would like better than you to prove me wrong. Settle down, learn about the variance that is normal and stop all the "everyone out to get me" bullshit.

And by the way, the negative variance involved with card counting isn't all bad. First it is the exact reason, card counting is still possible today. Without negative variance and swings, you would have card counters just winning, small but steady. Everyone and his mother would be a card counter and casinos wouldn't be able to offer the (beatable) games they do. Second thing is you can use that negative variance to your advantage. No one wants or tries to lose, but when you do, it is a chance to "book" a loss, which plays to longevity. Anyone who can't figure out what that means, that is a discussion for another day.

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Actually, in addition to the pluralization, both "queer" and "faggots" are being used as adjectives here to describe or modify the noun "cocksuckers". While this is also grammatically incorrect, I wonder what the difference is between a "cocksucker" a "faggots cocksucker", and a "queer faggots cocksucker".

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Enough of this serious conversation. Back to the fun stuff. Maybe he meant to use the apostrophe in faggots. If he spelled it faggot's, then it is possessive and would be referring to whoever it is that is the faggot's cocksucker. No offense to Kewl but if he was being nasty to you he may have been referring to the faggot's (kewl) cocksucker. Now, the adjective queer preceding it still makes no sense. Maybe it is a double negative (queer/faggot). Would that then make you straight??

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No offense to Kewl but if he was being nasty to you he may have been referring to the faggot's (kewl) cocksucker.

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I don't take Zenking or many other's use of faggot or cocksucker as something personal to me. Seems to be a whole generation of straight dudes that use those terms no different than if they were calling someone an idiot or ass. That is fine.

Now monet, he uses these terms trying to be nasty to me. I haven't figured out if it is all about being nasty or if there is some fun, busting on someone involved. And of course people like Singer, it was full blow homopobic hate. But even those people, don't have a clue. Do they really think there is anything that anyone can and does write on these forums that I haven't heard before? I was out in High School. Beleive me, I have heard it all in my life. :D

Once again, KJ's reading comprehension along with everg idiot on these forums and discord tells me all I need to know about society.

How many fucking times do I have to say I'm NOT complaining about the loss or the swings holy fuck. I'm complaining about the CIRCUMSTANTIAL shit that happens right before a big loss. Always on a holiday weekend? Picking up a $5 bill off the floor and immediately dumping close to 3k? Volume picks up in casinos and opens to 100% capacity and now I can't win? Not doing a compulsion and losing your ass. It's always something. Are you guys fucking blind to what I write or do you even read wtf I write? Of course not. No one can be that stupid and blind. I understand the swings of the game. When I complain about a loss, look at my history of posts, it's always about WHY the loss happened. That's what irritates me. It's always connected to something. You honestly can't make this shit up. I'm literally like 2 for 30 in holiday weekends. Give or take those are the numbers. I don't know how many I lost but I know I've only won twice, once on Thanksgiving and once on July 4th. The days of that weekend or the actual holiday I got killed Everytime. Not only did I lose, but I got KILLED. Coincidence? How many more fucking data do you need?

Lastly, I am up 82k for the PAST YEAR, not in the past 5 months YTD. Jesus Christ. I've said that numerous times you dumass idiot. Try reading for once. 82 since June 15th post covid, NOT YTD. It's not even 82k anymore. It's 79.2. Also thanks for your unsolicited advice KJ, I really asked for your input. I don't need anyones input regarding this game. I'm also not going anywhere or quitting. I'm dying at the blackjack table or going bust due to getting cheated or trolled by this simulation for talking shit. Vegas has 3 options. Kill me. Cheat me. Or pray to God to curse me. That's it

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Once again, KJ's reading comprehension along with everg idiot on these forums and discord tells me all I need to know about society.

How many fucking times do I have to say I'm NOT complaining about the loss or the swings holy fuck. I'm complaining about the CIRCUMSTANTIAL shit that happens right before a big loss. Always on a holiday weekend? Picking up a $5 bill off the floor and immediately dumping close to 3k? Volume picks up in casinos and opens to 100% capacity and now I can't win? Not doing a compulsion and losing your ass. It's always something. Are you guys fucking blind to what I write or do you even read wtf I write? Of course not. No one can be that stupid and blind. I understand the swings of the game. When I complain about a loss, look at my history of posts, it's always about WHY the loss happened. That's what irritates me. It's always connected to something. You honestly can't make this shit up. I'm literally like 2 for 30 in holiday weekends. Give or take those are the numbers. I don't know how many I lost but I know I've only won twice, once on Thanksgiving and once on July 4th. The days of that weekend or the actual holiday I got killed Everytime. Not only did I lose, but I got KILLED. Coincidence? How many more fucking data do you need?

Lastly, I am up 82k for the PAST YEAR, not in the past 5 months YTD. Jesus Christ. I've said that numerous times you dumass idiot. Try reading for once. 82 since June 15th post covid, NOT YTD. It's not even 82k anymore. It's 79.2. Also thanks for your unsolicited advice KJ, I really asked for your input. I don't need anyones input regarding this game. I'm also not going anywhere or quitting. I'm dying at the blackjack table or going bust due to getting cheated or trolled by this simulation for talking shit. Vegas has 3 options. Kill me. Cheat me. Or pray to God to curse me. That's it

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If you think you lost becaause you picked up a $5 bill, you are crazier than I thought. :rolleyes: Last week you told us you lost because it was a holiday weekend and they always cheat on holidaay weekends. This thread, you told us you lost because it is now June and they cheat in the summer months. You are bonkers. Stop with the conspiracy theories. No one is breaking out the Chinese cards because it is a holiday weekend or because it is summertime. Sometimes you freaking lose.

My mistake for thinking the 82k and 520 hours playing was for 2021. 5 months, 520 hours seemed about right to me. That would be 100 hours of play a month. A little lite, but ok. If that 520 hours is for a whole year that is 10 hours of play a week. How is that a fulltime player? :confused:

Anyway, yeah, God hates you and curses you. Maybe she just doesn't like New Jersey. Ever think of that?

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Once again, KJ's reading comprehension along with everg idiot on these forums and discord tells me all I need to know about society.

How many fucking times do I have to say I'm NOT complaining about the loss or the swings holy fuck. I'm complaining about the CIRCUMSTANTIAL shit that happens right before a big loss. Always on a holiday weekend? Picking up a $5 bill off the floor and immediately dumping close to 3k? Volume picks up in casinos and opens to 100% capacity and now I can't win? Not doing a compulsion and losing your ass. It's always something. Are you guys fucking blind to what I write or do you even read wtf I write? Of course not. No one can be that stupid and blind. I understand the swings of the game. When I complain about a loss, look at my history of posts, it's always about WHY the loss happened. That's what irritates me. It's always connected to something. You honestly can't make this shit up. I'm literally like 2 for 30 in holiday weekends. Give or take those are the numbers. I don't know how many I lost but I know I've only won twice, once on Thanksgiving and once on July 4th. The days of that weekend or the actual holiday I got killed Everytime. Not only did I lose, but I got KILLED. Coincidence? How many more fucking data do you need?

Lastly, I am up 82k for the PAST YEAR, not in the past 5 months YTD. Jesus Christ. I've said that numerous times you dumass idiot. Try reading for once. 82 since June 15th post covid, NOT YTD. It's not even 82k anymore. It's 79.2. Also thanks for your unsolicited advice KJ, I really asked for your input. I don't need anyones input regarding this game. I'm also not going anywhere or quitting. I'm dying at the blackjack table or going bust due to getting cheated or trolled by this simulation for talking shit. Vegas has 3 options. Kill me. Cheat me. Or pray to God to curse me. That's it

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If you think you lost becaause you picked up a $5 bill, you are crazier than I thought. :rolleyes: Last week you told us you lost because it was a holiday weekend and they always cheat on holidaay weekends. This thread, you told us you lost because it is now June and they cheat in the summer months. You are bonkers. Stop with the conspiracy theories. No one is breaking out the Chinese cards because it is a holiday weekend or because it is summertime. Sometimes you freaking lose.

My mistake for thinking the 82k and 520 hours playing was for 2021. 5 months, 520 hours seemed about right to me. That would be 100 hours of play a month. A little lite, but ok. If that 520 hours is for a whole year that is 10 hours of play a week. How is that a fulltime player? :confused:

Anyway, yeah, God hates you and curses you. Maybe she just doesn't like New Jersey. Ever think of that?

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And still up 80k with only 500 hours. Does that correlate to full time income? Cause I'm not a droned out retard that plays hours just to play hours like 99.9% of counters. People will play a shitty play all game just to say they got hours in. That's why I'm the best to ever do it and itll never be close. How I've manipulated the game has likely never been seen before. An hour for me the way I play is the equivalent of 2 or even 3 hours to the normal player. Ohhh don't worry I'm just on a 'miracle run'. No one can make 80k playing 6 and 8 deck 'shitty shoe' games on the strip with 2x200 for 400 hours and 2x250 for the next 120. Just running good right. Let me know when you can do that

To you and everyoneighr think it's all crazy, but at what point does one finally believe I wlak on eggshells my whole life. How can every single time I do something that can be deemed bad karma, I suddenly not only lose but lose my ass? Tell me, HOW? This isn't fucking selective memory. This is legit fucking cursed shit. I'm the troll puppet of the universe. Just count your blessings toure not me. And to call me crazy on top of that rofl. You're a fucking dumass. If you saw how I've been trolled time and time again, you'd keep your mouth shut

Sorry...I forgot...you are the greatest card counter of all time. So why am I reading this thread with your continued bitching and conspiracy theories??

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Because imagine not just losing every time there's a possible chance of a 'coincidence', but getting rocked and still being able to persevere. Just imagine that. Everytime there's a possible chance of something being labeled a 'coicnidence' the world falls on you. Imagine going through life being the troll puppet of the universe. Of course you cant, you and everyone else can't even fathom that level of being trolled. Just keep doing what you allegedly do and that's making upper 5 figures off strip. Fairytale retard. You belong right up there with all the bja frauds and their promoters on discord and gwae.

Eighty grand in a year?

Not bad, but for a guy who thinks he's the GOAT it is an epic fail.

I've earned a lot more than that, and I'm far from the greatest.

But I didn't get it from gambling.

Jump off the crazy train and join the real world.

Get a real job, and gamble on the side.

Maybe your homicidal, self-destructive urges will abate.

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Eighty grand in a year?

Not bad, but for a guy who thinks he's the GOAT it is an epic fail.

I've earned a lot more than that, and I'm far from the greatest.

But I didn't get it from gambling.

Jump off the crazy train and join the real world.

Get a real job, and gamble on the side.

Maybe your homicidal, self-destructive urges will abate.

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Yes you made more than me with how many more hours? There's people making millions per year and your point is? Anyone can make money but not everyone can make it like I do. Do something unique in your life cause well all be dead soon enough. You got caught in the rat race and now you're bored to death in retirement I bet like every other idiot who was promised retirement came from the money in your bank account. Thanks for your unsolicited advice by the way also.

Also for the record, KJ says I'm above EV? Lmao. Yea I'm above EV alright. Just like every retard that said I was above EV at the 100 hour mark, 200 hour mark, 300 hour mark, 400 hour mark, and now 500 hour mark. Maybe for idiots that don't understand how to manipulate the game like I do, maybe then I would be above EV. But when you're the goat you do things no one else knows about or can do. You guys don't even know how to run a simulation for what I do. Stay average. Pce

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Why are you mincing words when ZK's post presents a clear and present danger?

What is his end game?

Will he try to outdo the Mandalay Bay shooter?

He seems crazy enough.

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MisterV, I understand your concern. Others share that concern. I share that concern. And it is the exact reason why he is banned at WoV.

I have spoken with people that have met ZK personally, and to a person, they all say he is not like that in person. That he is quiet and polite and funny. And while I respect that, how many times after someone goes off the deep end, do we hear family freinds and people that know him say I never would have guessed. That isn't who he was.

I have thought about getting more involved with Zenking on several different occasions. It was even asked of me by a prominent Las Vegas AP (who does not post here). And I have even thought about it in the last week, with these new posts and threads. And each time I think about it, I decide I can't. So happens right now, I am trying to rebound from a poor year, some of it due to covid circumstances, some of it just bad variance. So I am trying to play a lot and build significant EV and hope for decent variance and a decent rebound type year. So I don't have time to take off 6 months and teach someone about variance and swings that they should know 6 years in.

But even more importantly, the guy scares the hell out of me. from his posts, I don't think he is stable and I don't know what he is capable of and don't want to find out. Blackjack AP's, probably all AP's vent on occasion, during those really nasty swings. Sometimes it is just good to talk or write about it with other AP's who know and have experienced those swings. I did so as recently as last year with an extrodinary bad run at South Point. But these runs of zenking is describing aren't even extrodinarily bad, they are pretty normal, to be expected for that level of play. But it is the threat sometimes veiled, sometimes completely open, of doing something crazy that is most disturbing. I can't and won't be a part or anywhere near that.

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Zenking isn't BANNED from WOV, he's on an Extended Suspension. Wizard said that if Zenking asks to be let back, he will be let back. Zenking left WOV behind for good ever since he was Suspended from WOV, so of course he never asked to be let back. To MOST People who click on his name, and see that he has been "Restricted," and last visited almost two years ago, they'd make the understandable mistake that he is BANNED, not just Suspended.

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You got caught in the rat race and now you're bored to death in retirement I bet like every other idiot who was promised retirement came from the money in your bank account.

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I got caught in nothing; I did it my way.

Retirement is just fine; I'm not bored and over my work life I have acquired a nice portfolio of cash, savings in the bank, stocks, mutual funds, IRA's, an annuity and of course that old favorite, real estate.

Dude, you're too amped up: have you tried getting laid?

I heard there's a lot of pussy for sale in Sin City, as well as False Hope.

Every one of your posts is like a train wreck and no, that ain't good.

Whatever V, smoke another bowl

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Whatever V, smoke another bowl

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You say that as if it is a bad thing.

BTW, I made quite a chunk of change buying and selling weed stocks, thanks for the reminder.

Maybe next time zenking is thinking about making a thread HE should smoke a bowl

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Pick up a $5 bill off the floor and the whole world falls on me. Immediately drop 2600 and 3k for the night. Now I'm down like 8500 ever since this holiday weekend the summer kicks in and everything is at 100% capacity. Every fucking may and June this happens? WHY? Everything back to normal and casinos charging for parking. Get ready for the same shit that happened when I first got to town. Fucking rigged mothwrfukers. I swear something will finally go down. I've had enough of being the fucking troll puppet of this universe. Let's say they weren't cheqting. Imagine being trolled like I am time and time again. Imagine getting cursed every fucking time u do something that can be labeled bad akrma . Imagine fucking thqtm .Just a 'coincidence' right'. ROFL. Then people say it's all in my head and it's a 'coincidence'. Yea every fucking time is a coincidence right. Everything I mention d above. It's always a coincidence rjght. Am I a fucking troll puppet to this simqtion we live in. If I go kick a guy in a wheelchair right now, wat h what happens lmao. Count your fucking blessings retards. Imagine being me and still having a bankroll with being the troll puppet of this universe and walking on eggshells my whole life. We'll see whats a coincidence when all hell breaks loose. Let me know what a coincidence is when all hell breaks loose you fucking queer faggots cocksuckers

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Once again, KJ's reading comprehension along with everg idiot on these forums and discord tells me all I need to know about society.

How many fucking times do I have to say I'm NOT complaining about the loss or the swings holy fuck. I'm complaining about the CIRCUMSTANTIAL shit that happens right before a big loss. Always on a holiday weekend? Picking up a $5 bill off the floor and immediately dumping close to 3k? Volume picks up in casinos and opens to 100% capacity and now I can't win? Not doing a compulsion and losing your ass. It's always something. Are you guys fucking blind to what I write or do you even read wtf I write? Of course not. No one can be that stupid and blind. I understand the swings of the game. When I complain about a loss, look at my history of posts, it's always about WHY the loss happened. That's what irritates me. It's always connected to something. You honestly can't make this shit up. I'm literally like 2 for 30 in holiday weekends. Give or take those are the numbers. I don't know how many I lost but I know I've only won twice, once on Thanksgiving and once on July 4th. The days of that weekend or the actual holiday I got killed Everytime. Not only did I lose, but I got KILLED. Coincidence? How many more fucking data do you need?

Lastly, I am up 82k for the PAST YEAR, not in the past 5 months YTD. Jesus Christ. I've said that numerous times you dumass idiot. Try reading for once. 82 since June 15th post covid, NOT YTD. It's not even 82k anymore. It's 79.2. Also thanks for your unsolicited advice KJ, I really asked for your input. I don't need anyones input regarding this game. I'm also not going anywhere or quitting. I'm dying at the blackjack table or going bust due to getting cheated or trolled by this simulation for talking shit. Vegas has 3 options. Kill me. Cheat me. Or pray to God to curse me. That's it

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If you think you lost becaause you picked up a $5 bill, you are crazier than I thought. :rolleyes: Last week you told us you lost because it was a holiday weekend and they always cheat on holidaay weekends. This thread, you told us you lost because it is now June and they cheat in the summer months. You are bonkers. Stop with the conspiracy theories. No one is breaking out the Chinese cards because it is a holiday weekend or because it is summertime. Sometimes you freaking lose.

My mistake for thinking the 82k and 520 hours playing was for 2021. 5 months, 520 hours seemed about right to me. That would be 100 hours of play a month. A little lite, but ok. If that 520 hours is for a whole year that is 10 hours of play a week. How is that a fulltime player? :confused:

Anyway, yeah, God hates you and curses you. Maybe she just doesn't like New Jersey. Ever think of that?

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And still up 80k with only 500 hours. Does that correlate to full time income? Cause I'm not a droned out retard that plays hours just to play hours like 99.9% of counters. People will play a shitty play all game just to say they got hours in. That's why I'm the best to ever do it and itll never be close. How I've manipulated the game has likely never been seen before. An hour for me the way I play is the equivalent of 2 or even 3 hours to the normal player. Ohhh don't worry I'm just on a 'miracle run'. No one can make 80k playing 6 and 8 deck 'shitty shoe' games on the strip with 2x200 for 400 hours and 2x250 for the next 120. Just running good right. Let me know when you can do that

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Seriously, what a pathetic paragraph! Where to begin. You think that you are the best because you do some Wonging during non-crowded conditions where you get more hands per hour by playing heads up while also switching pits and tables. Is this new territory or something? Sorry, trying to succeed in today's games everything that you mentioned is required, you are not unique by any means. Also, as you already know playing in the style or manner that you mention briefly is yes good for EV. How in the hell can you not figure out that the way that you play creates plenty of short-term volatility that is well apparent you cannot handle on a professional level. Subsequently, the need to explain the cheating bullshit stories. When the game is over for you many people will correctly say that Zen KinG was talented but lacked so much understanding about playing a game with a small edge. Always thinking over his head with expectations that were beyond his means, instead of just letting the game run its course.

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Seriously, what a pathetic paragraph! Where to begin. You think that you are the best because you do some Wonging during non-crowded conditions where you get more hands per hour by playing heads up while also switching pits and tables. Is this new territory or something? Sorry, trying to succeed in today's games everything that you mentioned is required, you are not unique by any means.

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Is THAT what he is doing? Damn, I didn't pick up on that. :confused: And this is unique? I wonder where he picked that up from?

I am trying to think....wasn't there someone else who moved to Vegas oh about 12 years ago that has frequently posted about this style? :D

Seriously, I have been posting about aggresively jumping out of negative counts, since the day I moved here. I mean that is what you do in Vegas. The strength of Vegas is many playable games, so a fresh table with a zero count is far better than playing through negative counts. And if you can jump directly to a positive count....ever better! :cool:

A player should take advantage of the opportunities available to him and in vegas that is a lot of games in close proximity. I applaud Zenking for doing that, but this idea that "he is manipulating the game like no one else" is pretty lame. :rolleyes:

Anyway, whatever people need to do and say. What is the saying "que sara, sara".

By the way doing the wong out part only (agressive exit) is going to increase your win rate and EV because you are escaping all the negative counts, but not 2-3 times EV or expectation, maybe 25-30%. Even when you add in jumping directly to a positive count, you increase by only 50% or so, because of the limitations with employing this technique. But again, whatever. Fascinating to read the GOAT though. Some day, I hope to be just like him (less the crazy parts) :cool:

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By the way doing the wong out part only (agressive exit) is going to increase your win rate and EV because you are escaping all the negative counts, but not 2-3 times EV or expectation, maybe 25-30%. Even when you add in jumping directly to a positive count, you increase by only 50% or so, because of the limitations with employing this technique. But again, whatever. Fascinating to read the GOAT though. Some day, I hope to be just like him (less the crazy parts) :cool:

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And this last paragraph is why you and BoSox don't actually understand what I'm doing. You guys don't understand what's really behind what I'm doing or what it does to the win rate, which explains your ignorance and failure to average my win rate because you don't know how to actually sim it or why the win rate is what it is so you can't grasp the concept or how to fully take advantage of it. To you guys it's just 'wonging out' but not realizing what else is going on that effects the win rate.

So 150 an hour is 2-3x my EV by doing what I'm doing? What do you think my original hourly is heads up? My backcounting win rate was 45 an hour, but when did I say I only backcount anymore? The more you talk the more you expose yourself about your career. Just stay average and let the best to ever do it get cheated every holiday weekend and still outperform everyone.

Been hearing it's a miracle run and over my EV at the 100 hour mark, 200 hour mark, 300 hour mark, 400 hour mark, and now the 500 hour mark. Guess what? The hourly has been in the same 130-170 range since the 200 hour mark. That's exactly why I made the move to a new apartment around the 250 hour mark because I knew I wasn't just running well and my new play style had merits to it. Why did I know this? Because Ive had one losing streak over 200 hours in my whole career and one winning streak over 300 hours and the 300 hour win streak I gave everything back right away but it quickly rebounded to the same hourly I had at the 300 hour mark. In a rounds perspective it's always around the 15-20k round mark where winning and losing subsides.

Cut your losses and try learning from me kids. Maybe you too can make 150 an hour in 'shitty shoe games' playing 2x200 and 2x250

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And this last paragraph is why you and BoSox don't actually understand what I'm doing. You guys don't understand what's really behind what I'm doing or what it does to the win rate, which explains your ignorance and failure to average my win rate because you don't know how to actually sim it or why the win rate is what it is so you can't grasp the concept. To you guys it's just 'wonging out' but not realizing what else is going on that effects the win rate.

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YOU are going to talk to me about my ignorance about winrates involving aggressively exiting negative counts? THIS is what I do and have done since I moved to Vegas!!! And I publicly share that everywhere I post.

Now I don't care that you have adoped that same technique and philosiphy that this is a how you should play Vegas because this opportunity is something available only here (for the most part). I post things that I do and my experiences hoping that other can benefit from them. And if someone reads something that I do, whether it be the agressive exit of negative counts, chip inventory to allow quick and hopefully unannounced entry into a game, or very samll buy-ins when forced to buy in, often dismissed as no threat, or any other of a number of things I have shared I am happy, literally thrilled if others odopt something and benefit from it.

And I don't want or need credit because likely there were many players doing each and everyone of these things before me. As a matter of fact, I can name different players that I learned most of what I do from. But for you to try to take credit that these are your things and you are doing things no one else has ever done, is asinine. Grow the fuck up! You are not the greatest of all time! You are not unique. That is T3 type bullshit.

What you are is someomne playing the game in Vegas using techniques specific to opportunities available in Vegas to win. Why isn't THAT good enough for you? Why are you trying to take credit for things players employed probably before you and I started playing and present yourself as the greatest of all time? Are you that insecure?

And something else. for all that you have "adopted" about playing Vegas from me, the one thing that you have refused to consider is not spreading to 2 hands.

Do you think I would not like to spread to 2 hands? It reduces swings and variance. But it is not well tolerated here in Vegas. I don't know why it is viewed differently here than other places....BUT IT IS!

So instead you continue to spread to 2 hands, something not well tolerated and that draws attention, and then you complain about the heat, that they won't let you play or disparage me by calling me a fraud saying I couldn't get away with what I do at the local places. No not spreading to 2 hands. That is not tolerated so I don't do it. You do it, get heat or backoffs and then say well no one can acheive some longevity at these places. the key is to do what is tolerated and what is in the casinos comfort level, not do what YOu want and then complain that you are getting heat or they won't let you play.

But keep spreading to 2 hands and keep telling us about the heat or how they won't let you play and wondering why others can.

GOAT, my ass.

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By the way doing the wong out part only (agressive exit) is going to increase your win rate and EV because you are escaping all the negative counts, but not 2-3 times EV or expectation, maybe 25-30%. Even when you add in jumping directly to a positive count, you increase by only 50% or so, because of the limitations with employing this technique. But again, whatever. Fascinating to read the GOAT though. Some day, I hope to be just like him (less the crazy parts) :cool:

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And this last paragraph is why you and BoSox don't actually understand what I'm doing. You guys don't understand what's really behind what I'm doing or what it does to the win rate, which explains your ignorance and failure to average my win rate because you don't know how to actually sim it or why the win rate is what it is so you can't grasp the concept or how to fully take advantage of it. To you guys it's just 'wonging out' but not realizing what else is going on that effects the win rate.

So 150 an hour is 2-3x my EV by doing what I'm doing? What do you think my original hourly is heads up? My backcounting win rate was 45 an hour, but when did I say I only backcount anymore? The more you talk the more you expose yourself about your career. Just stay average and let the best to ever do it get cheated every holiday weekend and still outperform everyone.

Been hearing it's a miracle run and over my EV at the 100 hour mark, 200 hour mark, 300 hour mark, 400 hour mark, and now the 500 hour mark. Guess what? The hourly has been in the same 130-170 range since the 200 hour mark. That's exactly why I made the move to a new apartment around the 250 hour mark because I knew I wasn't just running well and my new play style had merits to it. Why did I know this? Because Ive had one losing streak over 200 hours in my whole career and one winning streak over 300 hours and the 300 hour win streak I gave everything back right away but it quickly rebounded to the same hourly I had at the 300 hour mark. In a rounds perspective it's always around the 15-20k round mark where winning and losing subsides.

Cut your losses and try learning from me kids. Maybe you too can make 150 an hour in 'shitty shoe games' playing 2x200 and 2x250

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I'm glad that 250 hours of play confirmed that you were just not running well with the new style that you play. Enabling yourself to move into a new apartment, did you blow a short circuit or something? You sure throw plenty of crap out there that would be quickly dismissed by someone in the know. I do wish you well but I hope you enjoy that new pad while you can.

You're making less than 1 bet per hour? You suck!

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He is card counting, jerkoff.

Everything isn't about you and hole-carding.

Another jackoff that has the need to constantly tell everyone how much better he is than everyone else.

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He is card counting, jerkoff.

Everything isn't about you and hole-carding.

Another jackoff that has the need to constantly tell everyone how much better he is than everyone else.

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If you aren't making AT LEAST 1.5-2 bets per hours, you're a shitty card counter. And I'm talking about actual hours making bets. Not scouting or backcounting.

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If you aren't making AT LEAST 1.5-2 bets per hours, you're a shitty card counter. And I'm talking about actual hours making bets. Not scouting or backcounting.

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What "bets per hour"? Minimum wager? Average bet? Max bet?

And what exactly is an hour. A slow moving game with sidebets can be 30-40 rounds per hour. Heads up with a decent dealer, 300 or more. To make that uniform, we use 100 rounds as a measurement, although few players actually get 100 rounds per hour.

So a person spreading say $25-$400 should be making $600-$800 an hour or per 100 rounds from card counting playing shoe games? (I mean THAT is what is being discussed)

The thing about you hole-carders or players using other so called advanced plays is they find a play and play for 30 minutes making $500 and like to spout off about making $1000 per hour, when the fact is they scouted that game for hours and spent time traveling to it and waiting for just the right condition, all told 6-8 hours, but they don't count any of that.....only the hour (or in this example 30 minutes) that they played.

Count all the REAL time spent on the play and they aren't doing much better than a decent card counter. :rolleyes: But it won't stop them from telling you how special they are, right jbjb? :rolleyes:

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What the hell is wrong with that? Especially at high stakes. Let's put this into perspective, in some casinos, the house is more than willing to accept a .32 percent house advantage against a perfect "rare" basic strategist as well as comp them dinners and rooms, and all those small house edges pay their fucken bills. I am perfectly satisfied with the edges that I receive. Besides I am not competing against other AP's.

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The thing about you hole-carders or players using other so called advanced plays is they find a play and play for 30 minutes making $500 and like to spout off about making $1000 per hour, when the fact is they scouted that game for hours and spent time traveling to it and waiting for just the right condition, all told 6-8 hours, but they don't count any of that.....only the hour (or in this example 30 minutes) that they played.

Count all the REAL time spent on the play and they aren't doing much better than a decent card counter. :rolleyes: But it won't stop them from telling you how special they are, right jbjb? :rolleyes:

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In the early 2000's, the LVHCM took over $500k in a weekend from downtown casinos. At the time there were five different professional hole-card teams working (that I know about). I have personally seen wagers over $10,000 and higher in hole-carding opportunities multiple times all over the planet.

While card counting will earn you a modest living if you are very good at it, there is simply no comparison in win-rates between hole-carding & CC, even taking into account scouting time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1U-LQDUCf0

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What the hell is wrong with that? Especially at high stakes. Let's put this into perspective, in some casinos, the house is more than willing to accept a .32 percent house advantage against a perfect "rare" basic strategist as well as comp them dinners and rooms, and all those small house edges pay their fucken bills. I am perfectly satisfied with the edges that I receive. Besides I am not competing against other AP's.

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There is nothing wrong with that. That is the way card counting works, which is what this thread is about.

Unfortunately jbjb can't help always weighing in and telling everyone how much better and how much above card counting he and his team play is.

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What the hell is wrong with that? Especially at high stakes. Let's put this into perspective, in some casinos, the house is more than willing to accept a .32 percent house advantage against a perfect "rare" basic strategist as well as comp them dinners and rooms, and all those small house edges pay their fucken bills. I am perfectly satisfied with the edges that I receive. Besides I am not competing against other AP's.

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Nothing wrong with it. He should be making more, especially for someone wonging into positive shoes.

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What the hell is wrong with that? Especially at high stakes. Let's put this into perspective, in some casinos, the house is more than willing to accept a .32 percent house advantage against a perfect "rare" basic strategist as well as comp them dinners and rooms, and all those small house edges pay their fucken bills. I am perfectly satisfied with the edges that I receive. Besides I am not competing against other AP's.

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There is nothing wrong with that. That is the way card counting works, which is what this thread is about.

Unfortunately jbjb can't help always weighing in and telling everyone how much better and how much above card counting he and his team play is.

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I'm saying as a counter, he sucks at it. There are many, and much better counters out there.

Hell, slot AP's are doing a better hourly with the variance and needed large bankroll.

Yea jbjb tell them to show you their records. Everyone's a millionaire online and so called pro, but once you get know them, they all apparently have another job, or do blackjack 'part time' or do slots or some other form of AP. They run seminars and go on podcasts also for their 5 minutes of fame(shame) and promote whatever they're their to promote, usually BJA. I wonder why. Why would anyone keep a normal job if they were that great at blackjack. Why ever move on to other forms of AP when you've made X amount counting. They'll never answer that. Like I've said many times, you guys can be anyone you want to be online and the real pros or shall I say pro(singular) will keep profiting off retards and frauds like you.

As for KJ, his reading comprehension shows everytime he posts cause he clearly can't read. Who's credit am I taking for my own? I'm not playing the same way you are. Aggressively wonging out is just half of what I do. You and everyone else doesn't know how to use the other half to your benefit to manipulate the shoe games to be nearly equivalent to a 75% DD game if not better depending on the pen of the shoe game. That's all I'll say. Really is a shame no one listens to the king. Not my problem. Pce out

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I'm saying as a counter, he sucks at it. There are many, and much better counters out there.

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I don't disagree, although in fairness, have never witnessed his play. I can only go by the stuff he posts and by that...NOT the greatest counter ever. :D

But the thing is, you (jbjb) said a counter should make 1.5-2 x bet? I asked you to define what bet you are talking about because if it is max bet for me, that would be $600-$800 and hour ($25- $400 spread), and that is not the way card counting works.

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That's all I'll say. Really is a shame no one listens to the king. Not my problem. Pce out

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Yeah, YOU are the best brother. It's just kind of weird that the best is here posting every few weeks about how he is always being cheated. Chinese cards and all kind of conspiracy nonsense. :rolleyes:

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Hell, slot AP's are doing a better hourly with the variance and needed large bankroll.

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Under current conditions good slot AP's are making at least 200K per year. It's the best I've ever seen it. New games keep coming. There have been several in the past year.

And bankroll? Theres a big difference in what you need working 10% edges rather than 1% edges. You can keep feeding your win into mutual funds or whatever while carrying just 10K around to put down machine plays. 10K is actually overkill.

PS: There's no multi-carding or any kind of grey areas involved. It's just straight up legitimate strategy.

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Hell, slot AP's are doing a better hourly with the variance and needed large bankroll.

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Under current conditions good slot AP's are making at least 200K per year. It's the best I've ever seen it. New games keep coming. There have been several in the past year.

And bankroll? Theres a big difference in what you need working 10% edges rather than 1% edges. You can keep feeding your win into mutual funds or whatever while carrying just 10K around to put down machine plays. 10K is actually overkill.

PS: There's no multi-carding or any kind of grey areas involved. It's just straight up legitimate strategy.

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Five to ten years ago there were a bunch of us creating slots who understood advantage play. We would double check with each other if we thought a slot could be exploited. Many of these still made it to market, but at least we did our due-diligence. It takes a slot mathematician who is schooled in advantage play to understand that there may be an issue with their design. I seriously doubt anyone is doing these double checks any more -- much of the work of doing slot math and creating new slots is now automated. I love to hear stories of these machines being beaten. Good for you!

Ok, let's address a few things here. No I don't have a reading comprehension problem. During the daytime hours if there is a discussion I have interest in, I tend to be reading and responding on my phone while I am out and about. Sometimes getting in and out of the car at casinos. On a day like today that I did not visit casinos just out and about doing things. So yeah, as I am scanning posts on my phone, I may miss something or misinterpret something. My apologies for that. Maybe I should wait until I am home sitting at the computer at full attention.

So it looks like, Zenkings great thing that no one else can do, is wonging in and out of games. Wonging into positive counts and out of negative counts. Certainly nothing new or groundbreaking about this. Kind of 1990's. :rolleyes: It was a good strategy when Stanford Wong came up with it, or at least made it well known and it works today for certain conditions and situations. But in my opinion that situation isn't a player playing a fixed location and set of casinos.

It is not going to be long before a player backcounting the same casinos, same pit, ect, backcounting and jumping into good counts is noticed. No real longevity to that. Maybe for a player that travels around a lot to different locations. But for players like myself and Zenking playing a fixed location, I don't see much longevity for this as your main method of play. Once in a while ok. If I happen to be walking through the game area and see a game with a lot of small cards on felt, I will jump in, but not as a regular thing. A player just standing around backcounting IS noticed by both pit and other players.

Now wonging out is a better starategy as far as not drawing attention. Every player ends his session at some point, so just make that point when the count goes south. When I jump from a negative count, I will either jump to a new game just starting fresh off the shuffle (neutral count) or as I have mentioned a number of times, directly to a positive count IF I have been able to track a second table. This is much more natural (and draws less attention) than standing there backcounting.

But anyway if it is working for Zenking, power to him. Just hard to qualify it as working when he is always talking about having draw attention and drawing heat and backoffs. AND there is nothing about this old style that would make one the greatest or anything. That is the kind of thing that leads to short careers. Players that are playing a fixed location and rotation are usually in it for the opposite, longevity.

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Hell, slot AP's are doing a better hourly with the variance and needed large bankroll.

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Under current conditions good slot AP's are making at least 200K per year. It's the best I've ever seen it. New games keep coming. There have been several in the past year.

And bankroll? Theres a big difference in what you need working 10% edges rather than 1% edges. You can keep feeding your win into mutual funds or whatever while carrying just 10K around to put down machine plays. 10K is actually overkill.

PS: There's no multi-carding or any kind of grey areas involved. It's just straight up legitimate strategy.

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Five to ten years ago there were a bunch of us creating slots who understood advantage play. We would double check with each other if we thought a slot could be exploited. Many of these still made it to market, but at least we did our due-diligence. It takes a slot mathematician who is schooled in advantage play to understand that there may be an issue with their design. I seriously doubt anyone is doing these double checks any more -- much of the work of doing slot math and creating new slots is now automated. I love to hear stories of these machines being beaten. Good for you!

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They always say that as fast as security measures for something like counterfiting money are put in place, the counterfitters. are a step ahead. Same applied to computer hacking. AND I would think the same applied to casino slots. The good machine AP's are either one step ahead, or in the case of new games, doesn't take the smart guys like a mickey crimm long to figure it out, no?

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Hell, slot AP's are doing a better hourly with the variance and needed large bankroll.

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Under current conditions good slot AP's are making at least 200K per year. It's the best I've ever seen it. New games keep coming. There have been several in the past year.

And bankroll? Theres a big difference in what you need working 10% edges rather than 1% edges. You can keep feeding your win into mutual funds or whatever while carrying just 10K around to put down machine plays. 10K is actually overkill.

PS: There's no multi-carding or any kind of grey areas involved. It's just straight up legitimate strategy.

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Five to ten years ago there were a bunch of us creating slots who understood advantage play. We would double check with each other if we thought a slot could be exploited. Many of these still made it to market, but at least we did our due-diligence. It takes a slot mathematician who is schooled in advantage play to understand that there may be an issue with their design. I seriously doubt anyone is doing these double checks any more -- much of the work of doing slot math and creating new slots is now automated. I love to hear stories of these machines being beaten. Good for you!

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Even though there are people making good money off these slots, these same slots are still crushing the neophytes.

Oh god, even Elliot has resorted to the stupid caricature YouTube video pose now. It’s an epidemic.

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Under current conditions good slot AP's are making at least 200K per year. It's the best I've ever seen it. New games keep coming. There have been several in the past year.

And bankroll? Theres a big difference in what you need working 10% edges rather than 1% edges. You can keep feeding your win into mutual funds or whatever while carrying just 10K around to put down machine plays. 10K is actually overkill.

PS: There's no multi-carding or any kind of grey areas involved. It's just straight up legitimate strategy.

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Five to ten years ago there were a bunch of us creating slots who understood advantage play. We would double check with each other if we thought a slot could be exploited. Many of these still made it to market, but at least we did our due-diligence. It takes a slot mathematician who is schooled in advantage play to understand that there may be an issue with their design. I seriously doubt anyone is doing these double checks any more -- much of the work of doing slot math and creating new slots is now automated. I love to hear stories of these machines being beaten. Good for you!

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Even though there are people making good money off these slots, these same slots are still crushing the neophytes.

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Yes, thats true. And we couldn't make money without ploppies leaving these variable states of payback machines in advantage mode.

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Under current conditions good slot AP's are making at least 200K per year. It's the best I've ever seen it. New games keep coming. There have been several in the past year.

And bankroll? Theres a big difference in what you need working 10% edges rather than 1% edges. You can keep feeding your win into mutual funds or whatever while carrying just 10K around to put down machine plays. 10K is actually overkill.

PS: There's no multi-carding or any kind of grey areas involved. It's just straight up legitimate strategy.

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Five to ten years ago there were a bunch of us creating slots who understood advantage play. We would double check with each other if we thought a slot could be exploited. Many of these still made it to market, but at least we did our due-diligence. It takes a slot mathematician who is schooled in advantage play to understand that there may be an issue with their design. I seriously doubt anyone is doing these double checks any more -- much of the work of doing slot math and creating new slots is now automated. I love to hear stories of these machines being beaten. Good for you!

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They always say that as fast as security measures for something like counterfiting money are put in place, the counterfitters. are a step ahead. Same applied to computer hacking. AND I would think the same applied to casino slots. The good machine AP's are either one step ahead, or in the case of new games, doesn't take the smart guys like a mickey crimm long to figure it out, no?

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As far as the one step ahead concerning vulture slots, there is no real need to stay one step ahead, you want to take a step back since they keep making new variations of past vulnerabilities.

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it's NOT about the loss, but the very fact every loss is always related to something. That's what ticks me off. Every single major loss always has something attributed to it...
I'm not allowed to commit any sins or the world falls on me.

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In other words you're trolling yourself with your own superstition and hyperactive pattern recognition.

Definition of pareidolia
: the tendency to perceive a specific, often meaningful image in a random or ambiguous visual pattern

If there were an on omnipotent benevolent being out there trying to punish sinners immediately after their sins, he'd have much bigger fish to fry. But there probably isn't. Why couldn't Stalin have dropped dead of a stroke 30 years earlier?

I used to over-analyze my results. Seeing results for specific casinos that had no real menaing because the sample size was too small to mean anything. Another flaw is seeing a pattern that you think means one thing when it doesn't.

Lets say for a casino or small group of casinos I notice that my win rate is 3 times as high earlier in the week (M,T,W) as later in the week and weekends. One might jump to the conclusion that they are doing something differently on weekends, causing you to lose or win less. But the fact may be that your biggest wins are when you play heads up....to be expected as you get more max bet opportunities sometimes many in a row. So the real culprit to this disparage is that you get more heads up play in early in the week and less towards the end of the week and weekends (probably very little on weekends). The conclusion you jumped to first may not be the right one.