Road Trip Hard-On

Why is mickecrimm's Road Trip pics and info so offensive to people like max and to a lesser extent to the concoction crazy kew? Well, for one thing, it digs into their go-nowhere/do-nothing very boring LV casino lives. They see mickey--as much as or more than the "AP" they claim to be--actually doing what they're too afraid of doing and way too tied down financially to do.

And what is it that's turned simpleton max into miserable max here? Well, he's very beside himself in his liberal-like approach to get everyone on board his "you all have GOTS to think the same way as I do about Singer!" If you don't....then you're just as much a scumbag as he is....AP or not and former supporter and friend or not, it is more than I can bear!

Has any of this affected mickey? Ha!--not at all. He knows what's going on, and he knows how to understand, analyze, and think for himself. He's been around a long time battling with me, and the one thing max cannot stand is when someone with extraordinary street smarts and comparable/greater gambling intelligence can think for himself.

Mickey has known me for a long, long time, and he has a bevy of knowledge about what I've been doing and the way I said I did them. Many times he's questioned them, sometimes he hasn't. But when I presented everything I did regarding the double up play, he reviewed my history, the events, my very unique knowledge about the play that no one else, including Kane, ever had, and he developed his own conclusion irregardless of past forum fighting or how people on this forum wanted and desperately required him to be.

Because of this and max's deep hate and envy of me (remember, it was HE who first BEGGED me in a PM to "please let me be the first to know" if I currently know of or might find an active DU machine) the poor guy just can't live with himself any longer. Imagine how this whole thing just eats away at him non-stop.

Case in point: max had a golden opportunity to come to Gilbert to view the Newell just before we sold it. I mean, how many times did he say his bags were packed anyway? But when it came time to do what he said many times over--and because he's truly a coward--he chose to stay safely at home in a place that needed a bathroom upgrade he couldn't afford to have done, so that there would be no chance in hell he would have to prove his lying claims wrong, and he could then continue his false story.

Chickenshit is as chickenshit is. So now, he feels far safer taking his frustrations out on mickey, who as we can all see knows how to think for himself.

This is as pathetic as the kew story.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Why is mickecrimm's Road Trip pics and info so offensive to people like max and to a lesser extent to the concoction crazy kew? Well, for one thing, it digs into their go-nowhere/do-nothing very boring LV casino lives. They see mickey--as much as or more than the "AP" they claim to be--actually doing what they're too afraid of doing and way too tied down financially to do.

And what is it that's turned simpleton max into miserable max here? Well, he's very beside himself in his liberal-like approach to get everyone on board his "you all have GOTS to think the same way as I do about Singer!" If you don't....then you're just as much a scumbag as he is....AP or not and former supporter and friend or not, it is more than I can bear!

Has any of this affected mickey? Ha!--not at all. He knows what's going on, and he knows how to understand, analyze, and think for himself. He's been around a long time battling with me, and the one thing max cannot stand is when someone with extraordinary street smarts and comparable/greater gambling intelligence can think for himself.

Mickey has known me for a long, long time, and he has a bevy of knowledge about what I've been doing and the way I said I did them. Many times he's questioned them, sometimes he hasn't. But when I presented everything I did regarding the double up play, he reviewed my history, the events, my very unique knowledge about the play that no one else, including Kane, ever had, and he developed his own conclusion irregardless of past forum fighting or how people on this forum wanted and desperately required him to be.

Because of this and max's deep hate and envy of me (remember, it was HE who first BEGGED me in a PM to "please let me be the first to know" if I currently know of or might find an active DU machine) the poor guy just can't live with himself any longer. Imagine how this whole thing just eats away at him non-stop.

Case in point: max had a golden opportunity to come to Gilbert to view the Newell just before we sold it. I mean, how many times did he say his bags were packed anyway? But when it came time to do what he said many times over--and because he's truly a coward--he chose to stay safely at home in a place that needed a bathroom upgrade he couldn't afford to have done, so that there would be no chance in hell he would have to prove his lying claims wrong, and he could then continue his false story.

Chickenshit is as chickenshit is. So now, he feels far safer taking his frustrations out on mickey, who as we can all see knows how to think for himself.

This is as pathetic as the kew story.

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Try again. The day I am copying Mickey's two bit plays is when you know shit is over. If I wanted to be a $600 a day vulture I could do that in my backyard without any travel required. I have also already offered a bounty on that PM you claim to have of me begging for double up shit. You failed to produce it and I posted your BS PM where you implied to be some sort of secret agent man...lol

You produced clear evidence of a Newell's exterior that couldn't possibly be a match to the interior of the one you posed in at the dealership 8 miles from your daughter's house.....lol

Obviously it may be time for me to end your charade once and for all. Keep dancing around the tail....

That's your problem. As time passes you get to imagining you can resurrect yourself.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Why is mickecrimm's Road Trip pics and info so offensive to people like max and to a lesser extent to the concoction crazy kew? Well, for one thing, it digs into their go-nowhere/do-nothing very boring LV casino lives. They see mickey--as much as or more than the "AP" they claim to be--actually doing what they're too afraid of doing and way too tied down financially to do.

And what is it that's turned simpleton max into miserable max here? Well, he's very beside himself in his liberal-like approach to get everyone on board his "you all have GOTS to think the same way as I do about Singer!" If you don't....then you're just as much a scumbag as he is....AP or not and former supporter and friend or not, it is more than I can bear!

Has any of this affected mickey? Ha!--not at all. He knows what's going on, and he knows how to understand, analyze, and think for himself. He's been around a long time battling with me, and the one thing max cannot stand is when someone with extraordinary street smarts and comparable/greater gambling intelligence can think for himself.

Mickey has known me for a long, long time, and he has a bevy of knowledge about what I've been doing and the way I said I did them. Many times he's questioned them, sometimes he hasn't. But when I presented everything I did regarding the double up play, he reviewed my history, the events, my very unique knowledge about the play that no one else, including Kane, ever had, and he developed his own conclusion irregardless of past forum fighting or how people on this forum wanted and desperately required him to be.

Because of this and max's deep hate and envy of me (remember, it was HE who first BEGGED me in a PM to "please let me be the first to know" if I currently know of or might find an active DU machine) the poor guy just can't live with himself any longer. Imagine how this whole thing just eats away at him non-stop.

Case in point: max had a golden opportunity to come to Gilbert to view the Newell just before we sold it. I mean, how many times did he say his bags were packed anyway? But when it came time to do what he said many times over--and because he's truly a coward--he chose to stay safely at home in a place that needed a bathroom upgrade he couldn't afford to have done, so that there would be no chance in hell he would have to prove his lying claims wrong, and he could then continue his false story.

Chickenshit is as chickenshit is. So now, he feels far safer taking his frustrations out on mickey, who as we can all see knows how to think for himself.

This is as pathetic as the kew story.

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Try again. The day I am copying Mickey's two bit plays is when you know shit is over. If I wanted to be a $600 a day vulture I could do that in my backyard without any travel required. I have also already offered a bounty on that PM you claim to have of me begging for double up shit. You failed to produce it and I posted your BS PM where you implied to be some sort of secret agent man...lol

You produced clear evidence of a Newell's exterior that couldn't possibly be a match to the interior of the one you posted in at the dealership 8 miles from your daughter's house.....lol

Obviously it may be time for me to end your charade once and for all. Keep dancing around the tail....

That's your problem. As time passes you get to imagining you can resurrect yourself.

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Had to take maxpuke off ignore for this thread. Then he goes back on. He calls me two bit but did you see anything in his post about how much he makes as a gambler. NO YOU DIDN'T. Because maxpuke is a lowlife piece of shit that can't even talk a good game. He's a poser pro that works for other gamblers because he don't have any bankroll or any REAL money making plays.

maxpuke is what we used to call a "Fremont Street Commando." Those guys work $2 match plays, search garbage cans for funbooks, hustle credits, even check cashout kiosks for change left in the pigeon holes. Eat dollar hot dogs for lunch and dinner.

This is what a loser maxpuke is. We had gotten along fine until I gave my opinion on the double up bug. Then he started smearing me, calling me Singer's manservant and shit. After feuding with KJ for a couple years over the double up bug I recently gave an unbiased opinion that he was the best card counter in Vegas. Did you see maxpuke jump in and smear me over it? Call me KJ's manservant? No! He kept his damn mouth shut. Because KJ is his ally.

That's what a lowlife maxpunk is. Say anything favorable about someone he don't like and you are a loser. Say something favorable about his asshole buddy and he keeps his mouth shut.

All the big talk he did about how he was going to run Singer off forever. All the evidence he said he was going to put up. Hah! He never had shit on Rob. Rob's still here and still posting.

maxpunk is a wannabe gambler. In real life he fetches shopping carts at Walmart. All you've done maxpunk, is prove what a lowlife you are. You did it to yourself.

Mickey is back full force, PFA needs your wit/humor it's been dead there of late. Your nemesis Sobchak is awaiting impatiently for your gracious return.

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

Mickey is back full force, PFA needs your wit/humor it's been dead there of late. Your nemesis Sobchak is awaiting impatiently for your gracious return.

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Does he lie over there too? ......lol

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Why is mickecrimm's Road Trip pics and info so offensive to people like max and to a lesser extent to the concoction crazy kew?

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You are such a damn liar, you demented, old, diaper wearing, has been of a troll. That is the thing, you are completely irrelevant and aren't even considered a top troll any more.

I enjoy mickey's pictures and trip reports a great deal and have never has a negative thing to say about mickey's travels and road trip play and for good reason....I think it is great for Mickey. He enjoys the roads trips and he obviously does and he has the ability to make money everywhere. Plus, he gets out and gets to see the country. Again, great for him.

So happens, I don't enjoy all the travel and staying in hotel rooms, which is why I moved to a place and devised a game plan that involves me playing my home base rotation. The final 3 years of my 5.5 year Atlantic city play, had me spending 2-3 (usually 3) nights a week in hotel rooms in Atlantic city, between Borgata, Taj Mahal, Harrah's. I am just done with that. I would rather spend my off time in my home and sleep in my bed. But again, power to mickey or anyone else that still enjoys it.

As for your attempt to resurrect yourself and make yourself relevant again, try as you might, it ain't going to happen. That cake is baked. I will say this as often as I have to for it to sink into your demented forgetful head. Rob Singer, went to an RV dealership, just miles from his daughters home where he is forced to live out his retirement because he gambled away all his and his wife's money, waltzed into the dealership pretending to be a perspective customer and took pictures of himself inside an RV, right there on the showroom floor. This is what you are now know for! And you know who one of the most astonished people to this whole troll play was? It was the general manager at the RV dealership. After Maxpen, exposed your ass, I called the dealership (and urged others to) and the general manager was just beside himself. I will never forget his disgust as I inquired and he said "yeah we know all about it" (I wasn't the first one to have called). Just pathetic!!!

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Why is mickecrimm's Road Trip pics and info so offensive to people like max and to a lesser extent to the concoction crazy kew? Well, for one thing, it digs into their go-nowhere/do-nothing very boring LV casino lives. They see mickey--as much as or more than the "AP" they claim to be--actually doing what they're too afraid of doing and way too tied down financially to do.

And what is it that's turned simpleton max into miserable max here? Well, he's very beside himself in his liberal-like approach to get everyone on board his "you all have GOTS to think the same way as I do about Singer!" If you don't....then you're just as much a scumbag as he is....AP or not and former supporter and friend or not, it is more than I can bear!

Has any of this affected mickey? Ha!--not at all. He knows what's going on, and he knows how to understand, analyze, and think for himself. He's been around a long time battling with me, and the one thing max cannot stand is when someone with extraordinary street smarts and comparable/greater gambling intelligence can think for himself.

Mickey has known me for a long, long time, and he has a bevy of knowledge about what I've been doing and the way I said I did them. Many times he's questioned them, sometimes he hasn't. But when I presented everything I did regarding the double up play, he reviewed my history, the events, my very unique knowledge about the play that no one else, including Kane, ever had, and he developed his own conclusion irregardless of past forum fighting or how people on this forum wanted and desperately required him to be.

Because of this and max's deep hate and envy of me (remember, it was HE who first BEGGED me in a PM to "please let me be the first to know" if I currently know of or might find an active DU machine) the poor guy just can't live with himself any longer. Imagine how this whole thing just eats away at him non-stop.

Case in point: max had a golden opportunity to come to Gilbert to view the Newell just before we sold it. I mean, how many times did he say his bags were packed anyway? But when it came time to do what he said many times over--and because he's truly a coward--he chose to stay safely at home in a place that needed a bathroom upgrade he couldn't afford to have done, so that there would be no chance in hell he would have to prove his lying claims wrong, and he could then continue his false story.

Chickenshit is as chickenshit is. So now, he feels far safer taking his frustrations out on mickey, who as we can all see knows how to think for himself.

This is as pathetic as the kew story.

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Try again. The day I am copying Mickey's two bit plays is when you know shit is over. If I wanted to be a $600 a day vulture I could do that in my backyard without any travel required. I have also already offered a bounty on that PM you claim to have of me begging for double up shit. You failed to produce it and I posted your BS PM where you implied to be some sort of secret agent man...lol

You produced clear evidence of a Newell's exterior that couldn't possibly be a match to the interior of the one you posted in at the dealership 8 miles from your daughter's house.....lol

Obviously it may be time for me to end your charade once and for all. Keep dancing around the tail....

That's your problem. As time passes you get to imagining you can resurrect yourself.

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Had to take maxpuke off ignore for this thread. Then he goes back on. He calls me two bit but did you see anything in his post about how much he makes as a gambler. NO YOU DIDN'T. Because maxpuke is a lowlife piece of shit that can't even talk a good game. He's a poser pro that works for other gamblers because he don't have any bankroll or any REAL money making plays.

maxpuke is what we used to call a "Fremont Street Commando." Those guys work $2 match plays, search garbage cans for funbooks, hustle credits, even check cashout kiosks for change left in the pigeon holes. Eat dollar hot dogs for lunch and dinner.

This is what a loser maxpuke is. We had gotten along fine until I gave my opinion on the double up bug. Then he started smearing me, calling me Singer's manservant and shit. After feuding with KJ for a couple years over the double up bug I recently gave an unbiased opinion that he was the best card counter in Vegas. Did you see maxpuke jump in and smear me over it? Call me KJ's manservant? No! He kept his damn mouth shut. Because KJ is his ally.

That's what a lowlife maxpunk is. Say anything favorable about someone he don't like and you are a loser. Say something favorable about his asshole buddy and he keeps his mouth shut.

All the big talk he did about how he was going to run Singer off forever. All the evidence he said he was going to put up. Hah! He never had shit on Rob. Rob's still here and still posting.

maxpunk is a wannabe gambler. In real life he fetches shopping carts at Walmart. All you've done maxpunk, is prove what a lowlife you are. You did it to yourself.

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You will never hear what I make for a variety of reasons. I have nothing to prove. But I understand why a hobo would be so excited about making 87k so far this year and have to state it it to the world on a forum. I think I might have more than that in my sock drawer right now. But who cares?

You go ahead and try to find the gambler you say I work for and I will give you 10k. I have always and always will work for myself. I like how you talk about bankrolls as if that is something that is even needed by your two bit self. So come on Man Servant find this person you claim I work for and I will double the bankroll needed for your two bit vagabond career.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I called the dealership (and urged others to) and the general manager was just beside himself. I will never forget his disgust as I inquired and he said "yeah we know all about it."

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They knew all about it?

How?

Did Singer leave a pyramid on the floor before he left the dealership?

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

Mickey is back full force, PFA needs your wit/humor it's been dead there of late. Your nemesis Sobchak is awaiting impatiently for your gracious return.

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Does he lie over there too? ......lol

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You should look at some of his posts over there LOL, he went to war with most of the regular lefties( 10-15 of them) and wannabe centrist Nightmarefish. Delusional dumbasses Walter Sobchak and Sloppy Joe two ginormous commie fucktards are his 2 favorite candidates.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

Try again. The day I am copying Mickey's two bit plays is when you know shit is over. If I wanted to be a $600 a day vulture I could do that in my backyard without any travel required. I have also already offered a bounty on that PM you claim to have of me begging for double up shit. You failed to produce it and I posted your BS PM where you implied to be some sort of secret agent man...lol

You produced clear evidence of a Newell's exterior that couldn't possibly be a match to the interior of the one you posted in at the dealership 8 miles from your daughter's house.....lol

Obviously it may be time for me to end your charade once and for all. Keep dancing around the tail....

That's your problem. As time passes you get to imagining you can resurrect yourself.

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Had to take maxpuke off ignore for this thread. Then he goes back on. He calls me two bit but did you see anything in his post about how much he makes as a gambler. NO YOU DIDN'T. Because maxpuke is a lowlife piece of shit that can't even talk a good game. He's a poser pro that works for other gamblers because he don't have any bankroll or any REAL money making plays.

maxpuke is what we used to call a "Fremont Street Commando." Those guys work $2 match plays, search garbage cans for funbooks, hustle credits, even check cashout kiosks for change left in the pigeon holes. Eat dollar hot dogs for lunch and dinner.

This is what a loser maxpuke is. We had gotten along fine until I gave my opinion on the double up bug. Then he started smearing me, calling me Singer's manservant and shit. After feuding with KJ for a couple years over the double up bug I recently gave an unbiased opinion that he was the best card counter in Vegas. Did you see maxpuke jump in and smear me over it? Call me KJ's manservant? No! He kept his damn mouth shut. Because KJ is his ally.

That's what a lowlife maxpunk is. Say anything favorable about someone he don't like and you are a loser. Say something favorable about his asshole buddy and he keeps his mouth shut.

All the big talk he did about how he was going to run Singer off forever. All the evidence he said he was going to put up. Hah! He never had shit on Rob. Rob's still here and still posting.

maxpunk is a wannabe gambler. In real life he fetches shopping carts at Walmart. All you've done maxpunk, is prove what a lowlife you are. You did it to yourself.

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You will never hear what I make for a variety of reasons. I have nothing to prove. But I understand why a hobo would be so excited about making 87k so far this year and have to state it it to the world on a forum. I think I might have more than that in my sock drawer right now. But who cares?

You go ahead and try to find the gambler you say I work for and I will give you 10k. I have always and always will work for myself. I like how you talk about bankrolls as if that is something that is even needed by your two bit self. So come on Man Servant find this person you claim I work for and I will double the bankroll needed for your two bit vagabond career.

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You are really showing your stupidity now. The 87K wasn't a brag, just a fact. But mental midgets like you don't know the difference. You could say the same thing to KJ. He makes 80K a year. Why haven't you belittled him for it? You been sucking his dick? Or a host of others on this forum? Why just me? I'll tell you why. YOU'RE STUPID!! Axel has done a lot of traveling on plays. Have you ever ran him down for it? NO FUCK NO!! Because YOU'RE STUPID. So you're shit with me ain't working, poser pro.

You won't post anything about what you make because you know you will get caught in a lie trying to make it out to be a big amount. You don't talk about plays because you dont have any.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

They knew all about it?

How?

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Atta boy...I like your style.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I called the dealership (and urged others to) and the general manager was just beside himself. I will never forget his disgust as I inquired and he said "yeah we know all about it."

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They knew all about it?

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I didn't ask. It was sort of implied others had called as well. We did post the dealership name and location.

If I had to guess...you might want to ask a former member and owner here that now posts at WoV. He likes to investigate these kind of things and was very interested and involved in that particular discussion.

Look, players like myself and mickey and others that post what we make are in no way bragging nor attempting to brag. Do you really think that we think 80-100k (in my case) is anything to brag about?

We are just trying to show what a 'grinder' type player at can make. Because that is what we both are. Very different aspects of AP, but both of the grinder, play for longevity mindset and style.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

If I wanted to be a $600 a day vulture I could do that in my backyard without any travel required.

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Alright, you got me, I'm biting.
What is required for you to teach me how to average $600 cash per day in Vegas Casinos?
What is the bankroll requirement and how large will my daily swings be?
Am I able to do this independently?
I feel like I'm being set up but I always feel that way.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

After feuding with KJ for a couple years over the double up bug I recently gave an unbiased opinion that he was the best card counter in Vegas.

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And thank you for that mickeycrimm. I appreciate that you were able to be unbiased, both now and in that stupid blackhole thread where he embarrassed himself. Normally, I don't care about such stuff but with so many nitwits, trying to discredit me, it is nice to have a real AP, recognize me.

Not sure if you know it but that twit up in Reno, recently posted that you didn't find me credible. I tried to tell him, I didn't think he was speaking for you. He frequently just makes things up. So you couldn't have said, "best card counter in 'Nevada' just for him? :D Only kidding, I don't think anyone really thinks he has accomplished what he claims, not even those supporting him and joining in his attempts to discredit me. A player just can't play decent stakes in Reno to accomplish what he claims. Even if he did (which he hasn't) I am not competing with him or anyone.

Now as far as Las Vegas, I have been aware of two players this year that were previously not on my radar. I seem to bump into them pretty frequently. Both seem pretty good, pretty steady, one is a female....not going to say any more, but she is real good. I also think she is putting that advantage of being a female to good use. I see her doing things that should draw heat and she isn't. But in the end, I am not competing against anyone but myself. Maybe my brother just for the fun of it after he did much better than me last year during a real bad year for me. I don't want him getting too full of himself. :cool:

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Had to take maxpuke off ignore for this thread. Then he goes back on. He calls me two bit but did you see anything in his post about how much he makes as a gambler. NO YOU DIDN'T. Because maxpuke is a lowlife piece of shit that can't even talk a good game. He's a poser pro that works for other gamblers because he don't have any bankroll or any REAL money making plays.

maxpuke is what we used to call a "Fremont Street Commando." Those guys work $2 match plays, search garbage cans for funbooks, hustle credits, even check cashout kiosks for change left in the pigeon holes. Eat dollar hot dogs for lunch and dinner.

This is what a loser maxpuke is. We had gotten along fine until I gave my opinion on the double up bug. Then he started smearing me, calling me Singer's manservant and shit. After feuding with KJ for a couple years over the double up bug I recently gave an unbiased opinion that he was the best card counter in Vegas. Did you see maxpuke jump in and smear me over it? Call me KJ's manservant? No! He kept his damn mouth shut. Because KJ is his ally.

That's what a lowlife maxpunk is. Say anything favorable about someone he don't like and you are a loser. Say something favorable about his asshole buddy and he keeps his mouth shut.

All the big talk he did about how he was going to run Singer off forever. All the evidence he said he was going to put up. Hah! He never had shit on Rob. Rob's still here and still posting.

maxpunk is a wannabe gambler. In real life he fetches shopping carts at Walmart. All you've done maxpunk, is prove what a lowlife you are. You did it to yourself.

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You will never hear what I make for a variety of reasons. I have nothing to prove. But I understand why a hobo would be so excited about making 87k so far this year and have to state it it to the world on a forum. I think I might have more than that in my sock drawer right now. But who cares?

You go ahead and try to find the gambler you say I work for and I will give you 10k. I have always and always will work for myself. I like how you talk about bankrolls as if that is something that is even needed by your two bit self. So come on Man Servant find this person you claim I work for and I will double the bankroll needed for your two bit vagabond career.

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You are really showing your stupidity now. The 87K wasn't a brag, just a fact. But mental midgets like you don't know the difference. You could say the same thing to KJ. He makes 80K a year. Why haven't you belittled him for it? You been sucking his dick? Or a host of others on this forum? Why just me? I'll tell you why. YOU'RE STUPID!! Axel has done a lot of traveling on plays. Have you ever ran him down for it? NO FUCK NO!! Because YOU'RE STUPID. So you're shit with me ain't working, poser pro.

You won't post anything about what you make because you know you will get caught in a lie trying to make it out to be a big amount. You don't talk about plays because you dont have any.

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There is absolutely no reason to state your earn rate publicly. So it was most likely a brag on your part. If not so be it. You have talked about spending more on breakfast than people's bankroll or whatever and have tried to belittle people for their stated accomplishments of what they have done as far as bankroll growth. Meanwhile you have literally lived an itinerant lifestyle most of your adult life. I don't talk about shit publicly because there is nothing to be gained by it. The world's biggest idiot can figure that out.

KJ has been talking about his income forever. Why ? Who the fuck knows. But that's his gig. You don't see him concerned with other people's results or putting them down though. I'm not running you down for what you do. I respect what you do. I am glad you are finding more and more success with today's environment. A lot of people are.

Just look at yourself right now...lol,,,, crying "why just me?" What a little bitch....lol
Poor Mickey 10x can't take the heat. Best thing for you to do is put me back on ignore. So you don't shit your drawers again.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

If I wanted to be a $600 a day vulture I could do that in my backyard without any travel required.

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Alright, you got me, I'm biting.
What is required for you to teach me how to average $600 cash per day in Vegas Casinos?
What is the bankroll requirement and how large will my daily swings be?
Am I able to do this independently?
I feel like I'm being set up but I always feel that way.

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I don't teach people. I have helped introduced a couple people to vulturing but that is about it. In order to get those results in Vegas you would have to be at the top of the game in knowledge and effort expended. Other parts of the country you could probably get away being mediocre at best.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

If I wanted to be a $600 a day vulture I could do that in my backyard without any travel required.

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Alright, you got me, I'm biting.
What is required for you to teach me how to average $600 cash per day in Vegas Casinos?
What is the bankroll requirement and how large will my daily swings be?
Am I able to do this independently?
I feel like I'm being set up but I always feel that way.

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He don't have a clue. monet. He's a poser pro that just throws up smoke and mirrors.

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You will never hear what I make for a variety of reasons. I have nothing to prove. But I understand why a hobo would be so excited about making 87k so far this year and have to state it it to the world on a forum. I think I might have more than that in my sock drawer right now. But who cares?

You go ahead and try to find the gambler you say I work for and I will give you 10k. I have always and always will work for myself. I like how you talk about bankrolls as if that is something that is even needed by your two bit self. So come on Man Servant find this person you claim I work for and I will double the bankroll needed for your two bit vagabond career.

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You are really showing your stupidity now. The 87K wasn't a brag, just a fact. But mental midgets like you don't know the difference. You could say the same thing to KJ. He makes 80K a year. Why haven't you belittled him for it? You been sucking his dick? Or a host of others on this forum? Why just me? I'll tell you why. YOU'RE STUPID!! Axel has done a lot of traveling on plays. Have you ever ran him down for it? NO FUCK NO!! Because YOU'RE STUPID. So you're shit with me ain't working, poser pro.

You won't post anything about what you make because you know you will get caught in a lie trying to make it out to be a big amount. You don't talk about plays because you dont have any.

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There is absolutely no reason to state your earn rate publicly. So it was most likely a brag on your part. If not so be it. You have talked about spending more on breakfast than people's bankroll or whatever and have tried to belittle people for their stated accomplishments of what they have done as far as bankroll growth. Meanwhile you have literally lived an itinerant lifestyle most of your adult life. I don't talk about shit publicly because there is nothing to be gained by it. The world's biggest idiot can figure that out.

KJ has been talking about his income forever. Why ? Who the fuck knows. But that's his gig. You don't see him concerned with other people's results or putting them down though. I'm not running you down for what you do. I respect what you do. I am glad you are finding more and more success with today's environment. A lot of people are.

Just look at yourself right now...lol,,,, crying "why just me?" What a little bitch....lol
Poor Mickey 10x can't take the heat. Best thing for you to do is put me back on ignore. So you don't shit your drawers again.

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LOL! You mental fucking midget. Billy Walters has made multi-millions. Negreanu has made 5 million in poker tournaments in the last 10 years. Lots of gamblers make a lot more than I do. So you think I'm going to brag about 80 or 100K a year? You're an idiot. There's damn sure no reason for YOU to say what you make. Because you don't make shit.

There was one rare exception to you keeping your mouth shut. It was some time ago and about Aladdin's Fortune. We were discussing the game here. You chimed in and said you didn't play unless there were 15 points accumulated.

Now, first of all, Aladdin's Fortune is a low roller game. Max bet level is $3. What was that you were bragging about in this thread. Making $600 a day doesn't interest you? Then WTF were you doing on this low roller hustler's play?

Second of all, your strategy. 15 points out of 20 total points? LOLOLOL!!!! It is extremely rare for the game to reach that state, much less for a hustler to find it. So how many plays did you get, about two a year? LOL!! Idjut.

Your strategy is way to tight. Everybody but you knows the 4th and 5th columns are irrelevant when determining if its playable. That eliminates 6 points right there.

Only the first 3 columns matter. That's a max of 9 points in consideration. For an aggressive player 5 points is playable. For the not so aggressive 6 points will do.

Not only are you a low roller hustler. You are a dumb low roller hustler.

Aladdin is almost extinct now. For those of you that don't know the game here is a video. Pay attention to the icons being collected above the columns. When 4 icons are collected above a column it turns wild for 4 spins. The hustlers strategy is to play only when the prior player has left enough icons banked in the first three columns.

Maxpuke, brags about being a big shot but actually plays nickel and dime games. Mental midget.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tlHB3r3UQvTC4P

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If I wanted to be a $600 a day vulture I could do that in my backyard without any travel required.

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Alright, you got me, I'm biting.
What is required for you to teach me how to average $600 cash per day in Vegas Casinos?
What is the bankroll requirement and how large will my daily swings be?
Am I able to do this independently?
I feel like I'm being set up but I always feel that way.

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I don't teach people. I have helped introduced a couple people to vulturing but that is about it. In order to get those results in Vegas you would have to be at the top of the game in knowledge and effort expended. Other parts of the country you could probably get away being mediocre at best.

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Another stupid statement. Guys like low roller maxpuke are a dime a dozen in Las Vegas. They don't have enough money to rub two quarters together.

In Las Vegas speed walking the machines is the major talent. maxpuke is a damn good speed walker. How much do you walk a day, maxie? 15 miles? 20 miles? With the occasional stop for a dollar hot dog.

PS: YOU don't know anything about the rest of the country, assclown.

I'm sort of doing ok, in my current situation but if someone can teach me how to make 600 dollars a day average in Vegas, I have to respect that possibility and try to listen and learn.

They still got 99 cent hot dogs in this city??
All the places I used to know about have either closed down or upped their prices.
I haven't been inside the gift shops downtown for a long time though.
They used to have 2 for a dollar inside the warmers but they weren't exactly the freshest hot dog.
I miss Du-pars at the Golden Gate.
Was thinking about that place yesterday.
That Prime Rib was pretty sweet.
Not to mention everything else.
I heard they have one at the Suncoast but I haven't been over there since they got mad at me.

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Look, players like myself and mickey and others that post what we make are in no way bragging nor attempting to brag. Do you really think that we think 80-100k (in my case) is anything to brag about?

We are just trying to show what a 'grinder' type player at can make. Because that is what we both are. Very different aspects of AP, but both of the grinder, play for longevity mindset and style.

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Trying to put yourself in the same category as mickeycrimm is really raising the bar for you. mickeycrimm is a humble man something you know nothing about. Stop insulting him.

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They still got 99 cent hot dogs in this city??
All the places I used to know about have either closed down or upped their prices.
I haven't been inside the gift shops downtown for a long time though.
They used to have 2 for a dollar inside the warmers but they weren't exactly the freshest hot dog.
I miss Du-pars at the Golden Gate.
Was thinking about that place yesterday.
That Prime Rib was pretty sweet.
Not to mention everything else.
I heard they have one at the Suncoast but I haven't been over there since they got mad at me.

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$1.25 by the south point sportsbooking place, not quite $1. Costco count?

I agree with MickeyCrimm that you're not really finding 3-3-3-3-3 on Aladdin; I'm almost positive I never have. Honestly, I don't think I've ever found 3-3-3-3, regardless of what the last reel was doing.

I also agree that the value of the fifth reel is so negligible as to not merit consideration at all.

The area where I disagree with MC is that I think the fourth reel can sometimes decide whether one plays or not, but let's start with the fact I am more conservative than most in the first place.

MY PLAY POINTS:

-Any Seven, First Three Reels

-Six First Three Reels IF 3-0-3, 3-3-0, 0-3-3,

The realization of value in this game comes largely from lighting up multiple reels simultaneously, which is essentially what happens in the Free Games, depending on which FGs you choose. I always choose the spins with three reels wild.

On the ones I played, lamps came on Reel 2 the slowest, so I really didn't want Reel 2 to have to, "Catch up," to other reels for two to go wild simultaneously for any spins because it probably wasn't happening. That leads to the situation with Reel 4 that is not, "Any Nine First Four---which you would play anyway."

Lamps come the fastest on Reels 4 & 5, at least, in my sample size. That being the case, you could get Reel 4 Wild for one or more spins with a combination of that and one of the first three reels, so non-nine configurations such as:

3-X-2-3
2-X-3-3
3-X-2-2
2-X-3-2

Would then become playable. I can't think of a situation where it changes anything on a play that involves Reel 2 because, at least for the ones I played, Reel 2 is so slow anyway. I guess if you would play ?-3-?-3 or ?-3-?-2, regardless of what the (?) is, then there's that, but I wouldn't. You'll often see Reel 4 come and go completely, twice, in the time it takes Reel 2 to sometimes even catch a lamp.

The 2-X-3-2 and 3-X-2-2 configurations were really nice because they would sometimes lead to getting all three wild for a spin or two, which is just absolute payday. It's always four-of-a-kinds on anything except a lamp or Free Games symbol, but the worst case scenario is that you get two of those and still have two other symbols...and, actually, I don't even know if you can get a Free Games symbol and a lamp on the same reel. I want to say I doubt it, but I never really paid attention for that specific event.

Obviously, it's payday if you catch a genie on either of the other reels, because that's going to be some 5OaK.

Anyway, the 3-?-2 and 2-?-3 scenarios are, for me, where I felt like it made a difference what Reel 4 was doing. I'm not even going to promise that those kind of situations (with two or three on four) are good, but I liked my results well-enough to keep doing it.

If you are going to take configurations like those, don't get into the headspace of, "I can't leave value," when value doesn't exist. For example, if you hit the fourth reel and are left with 3-0-2-0-?, don't play that shit off if you wouldn't be playing it anyway. My goofy saying is, "If it's not good enough to play, it shouldn't be good enough to stay." I saw people fall into this trap a lot with a game that shares a name with a popular phone app where they would play the meter down to insane levels just because they felt like they were, "Abandoning," a play, if not. You're not abandoning anything when it's not a play anymore.

Most of all if you hit say, the first reel first and are left with something like 0-0-2-2 or 0-0-2-3...that's not a play in any world.

My opinion is that if you are going to take those plays that partially include Reel 4 value, then you have to be willing to accept a somewhat low (compared to other plays) probability of profit on any one attempt and understand that you're mostly going to realize your value on lower probability outcomes...or those occasions where you just hit Free Games straight up.

Anyway, my results were good, before the machines I had went away. However, please keep in mind that these are my opinions only which, by necessity, represent a limited sample size on those specific types of plays.

As far as 3-3-3-3-3 goes, I think a person is more likely to find two of the first three already wild for a spin or two as find that. Sometimes casual players will hit a big pay and decide they are done, believe it or not, without even realizing that they still have those reels wild for another 1-3 spins. That's not going to happen often, so you won't get many plays like that, but I think you'll see them more than 3-3-3-3. Some casual players just hit a big pay and then switch machines almost automatically.

Was Aladdin ever in high-limit rooms for more than $3.00 bets? If so and MaxPen knew about it and was finding plays, I could see why one might throw out play points that nobody is likely to ever find. I'll let Max answer for himself on that one and hope he doesn't take offense to me suggesting that possibility.

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I'm sort of doing ok, in my current situation but if someone can teach me how to make 600 dollars a day average in Vegas, I have to respect that possibility and try to listen and learn.

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I suppose one particular approach would be to determine the inventory of Regal Riches in Vegas which of course involves tremendous leg work. And then determine the hours of the day when certain Regal Riches at certain locations have a lack of other hustlers. Check the Minis on them for 9s - the minors,majors, and megas can be seen from afar (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/at...1&d=1629109282) for a given denom, but for machines with multiple denoms (1c,5c,25c. or whatever they may be) you are almost in the same spot as you are in for the Minis - you must manually switch the denom and then look them off for plays (with the Minis you have to check each of the levels for that denom). For the non-Mini banked games (minor,major,mega) you can use Mickey's numbers (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post130777) and RTP adjustments for tight (CZR) or loose properties. I've seen people get lucky taking 7s on the Minis, but I use 9 at a place I like to work. As a lot of people know, what makes this game a future Vulture Hall of Fame game, is what the Mini banked games do to the variance - it decimates the bank roll required to spin of the higher banked game levels (Minor,Major and Mega) plus it can pay off huge in and of itself as it did for JBJB. BTW vulturing UXs at Circa seems to work for some people since Millennials are leaving a lot of multipliers I heard.
BTW, I believe Slots of Fun at Circus Circus has $1 dogs (https://i.imgur.com/rAcheCm.png).

Cheers, TP.

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I'm sort of doing ok, in my current situation but if someone can teach me how to make 600 dollars a day average in Vegas, I have to respect that possibility and try to listen and learn.

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I suppose one particular approach would be to determine the inventory of Regal Riches in Vegas which of course involves tremendous leg work. And then determine the hours of the day when certain Regal Riches at certain locations have a lack of other hustlers. Check the Minis on them for 9s - the minors,majors, and megas can be seen from afar (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/at...1&d=1629109282) for a given denom, but for machines with multiple denoms (1c,5c,25c. or whatever they may be) you are almost in the same spot as you are in for the Minis - you must manually switch the denom and then look them off for plays (with the Minis you have to check each of the levels for that denom). For the non-Mini banked games (minor,major,mega) you can use Mickey's numbers (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post130777) and RTP adjustments for tight (CZR) or loose properties. I've seen people get lucky taking 7s on the Minis, but I use 9 at a place I like to work. As a lot of people know, what makes this game a future Vulture Hall of Fame game, is what the Mini banked games do to the variance - it decimates the bank roll required to spin off the higher banked game levels (Minor,Major and Mega) plus it can pay off huge in and of itself as it did for JBJB. BTW vulturing UXs at Circa seems to work for some people since Millennials are leaving a lot of multipliers I heard.
BTW, I believe Slots of Fun at Circus Circus has $1 dogs (https://i.imgur.com/rAcheCm.png).

Cheers, TP.

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I agree with MickeyCrimm that you're not really finding 3-3-3-3-3 on Aladdin; I'm almost positive I never have. Honestly, I don't think I've ever found 3-3-3-3, regardless of what the last reel was doing.

I also agree that the value of the fifth reel is so negligible as to not merit consideration at all.

The area where I disagree with MC is that I think the fourth reel can sometimes decide whether one plays or not, but let's start with the fact I am more conservative than most in the first place.

MY PLAY POINTS:

-Any Seven, First Three Reels

-Six First Three Reels IF 3-0-3, 3-3-0, 0-3-3,

The realization of value in this game comes largely from lighting up multiple reels simultaneously, which is essentially what happens in the Free Games, depending on which FGs you choose. I always choose the spins with three reels wild.

On the ones I played, lamps came on Reel 2 the slowest, so I really didn't want Reel 2 to have to, "Catch up," to other reels for two to go wild simultaneously for any spins because it probably wasn't happening. That leads to the situation with Reel 4 that is not, "Any Nine First Four---which you would play anyway."

Lamps come the fastest on Reels 4 & 5, at least, in my sample size. That being the case, you could get Reel 4 Wild for one or more spins with a combination of that and one of the first three reels, so non-nine configurations such as:

3-X-2-3
2-X-3-3
3-X-2-2
2-X-3-2

Would then become playable. I can't think of a situation where it changes anything on a play that involves Reel 2 because, at least for the ones I played, Reel 2 is so slow anyway. I guess if you would play ?-3-?-3 or ?-3-?-2, regardless of what the (?) is, then there's that, but I wouldn't. You'll often see Reel 4 come and go completely, twice, in the time it takes Reel 2 to sometimes even catch a lamp.

The 2-X-3-2 and 3-X-2-2 configurations were really nice because they would sometimes lead to getting all three wild for a spin or two, which is just absolute payday. It's always four-of-a-kinds on anything except a lamp or Free Games symbol, but the worst case scenario is that you get two of those and still have two other symbols...and, actually, I don't even know if you can get a Free Games symbol and a lamp on the same reel. I want to say I doubt it, but I never really paid attention for that specific event.

Obviously, it's payday if you catch a genie on either of the other reels, because that's going to be some 5OaK.

Anyway, the 3-?-2 and 2-?-3 scenarios are, for me, where I felt like it made a difference what Reel 4 was doing. I'm not even going to promise that those kind of situations (with two or three on four) are good, but I liked my results well-enough to keep doing it.

If you are going to take configurations like those, don't get into the headspace of, "I can't leave value," when value doesn't exist. For example, if you hit the fourth reel and are left with 3-0-2-0-?, don't play that shit off if you wouldn't be playing it anyway. My goofy saying is, "If it's not good enough to play, it shouldn't be good enough to stay." I saw people fall into this trap a lot with a game that shares a name with a popular phone app where they would play the meter down to insane levels just because they felt like they were, "Abandoning," a play, if not. You're not abandoning anything when it's not a play anymore.

Most of all if you hit say, the first reel first and are left with something like 0-0-2-2 or 0-0-2-3...that's not a play in any world.

My opinion is that if you are going to take those plays that partially include Reel 4 value, then you have to be willing to accept a somewhat low (compared to other plays) probability of profit on any one attempt and understand that you're mostly going to realize your value on lower probability outcomes...or those occasions where you just hit Free Games straight up.

Anyway, my results were good, before the machines I had went away. However, please keep in mind that these are my opinions only which, by necessity, represent a limited sample size on those specific types of plays.

As far as 3-3-3-3-3 goes, I think a person is more likely to find two of the first three already wild for a spin or two as find that. Sometimes casual players will hit a big pay and decide they are done, believe it or not, without even realizing that they still have those reels wild for another 1-3 spins. That's not going to happen often, so you won't get many plays like that, but I think you'll see them more than 3-3-3-3. Some casual players just hit a big pay and then switch machines almost automatically.

Was Aladdin ever in high-limit rooms for more than $3.00 bets? If so and MaxPen knew about it and was finding plays, I could see why one might throw out play points that nobody is likely to ever find. I'll let Max answer for himself on that one and hope he doesn't take offense to me suggesting that possibility.

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It wasn't one point per lantern. The formula I used for that was

Reels 1-3=2 points
Reel 4= 1 point
Reel 5= .5 point

15 or greater equals play

It was just something I came up with after I saw it on the floor.

It doesn't take me writing a book to explain some 2 bit machine play. I don't need to consult with a hobo think tank on Twitter and other places to figure these machines out as they appear. I simply play them when they come out and draw my own conclusions.

There were a lot of $6 Alladins in Vegas at one point

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I agree with MickeyCrimm that you're not really finding 3-3-3-3-3 on Aladdin; I'm almost positive I never have. Honestly, I don't think I've ever found 3-3-3-3, regardless of what the last reel was doing.

I also agree that the value of the fifth reel is so negligible as to not merit consideration at all.

The area where I disagree with MC is that I think the fourth reel can sometimes decide whether one plays or not, but let's start with the fact I am more conservative than most in the first place.

MY PLAY POINTS:

-Any Seven, First Three Reels

-Six First Three Reels IF 3-0-3, 3-3-0, 0-3-3,

The realization of value in this game comes largely from lighting up multiple reels simultaneously, which is essentially what happens in the Free Games, depending on which FGs you choose. I always choose the spins with three reels wild.

On the ones I played, lamps came on Reel 2 the slowest, so I really didn't want Reel 2 to have to, "Catch up," to other reels for two to go wild simultaneously for any spins because it probably wasn't happening. That leads to the situation with Reel 4 that is not, "Any Nine First Four---which you would play anyway."

Lamps come the fastest on Reels 4 & 5, at least, in my sample size. That being the case, you could get Reel 4 Wild for one or more spins with a combination of that and one of the first three reels, so non-nine configurations such as:

3-X-2-3
2-X-3-3
3-X-2-2
2-X-3-2

Would then become playable. I can't think of a situation where it changes anything on a play that involves Reel 2 because, at least for the ones I played, Reel 2 is so slow anyway. I guess if you would play ?-3-?-3 or ?-3-?-2, regardless of what the (?) is, then there's that, but I wouldn't. You'll often see Reel 4 come and go completely, twice, in the time it takes Reel 2 to sometimes even catch a lamp.

The 2-X-3-2 and 3-X-2-2 configurations were really nice because they would sometimes lead to getting all three wild for a spin or two, which is just absolute payday. It's always four-of-a-kinds on anything except a lamp or Free Games symbol, but the worst case scenario is that you get two of those and still have two other symbols...and, actually, I don't even know if you can get a Free Games symbol and a lamp on the same reel. I want to say I doubt it, but I never really paid attention for that specific event.

Obviously, it's payday if you catch a genie on either of the other reels, because that's going to be some 5OaK.

Anyway, the 3-?-2 and 2-?-3 scenarios are, for me, where I felt like it made a difference what Reel 4 was doing. I'm not even going to promise that those kind of situations (with two or three on four) are good, but I liked my results well-enough to keep doing it.

If you are going to take configurations like those, don't get into the headspace of, "I can't leave value," when value doesn't exist. For example, if you hit the fourth reel and are left with 3-0-2-0-?, don't play that shit off if you wouldn't be playing it anyway. My goofy saying is, "If it's not good enough to play, it shouldn't be good enough to stay." I saw people fall into this trap a lot with a game that shares a name with a popular phone app where they would play the meter down to insane levels just because they felt like they were, "Abandoning," a play, if not. You're not abandoning anything when it's not a play anymore.

Most of all if you hit say, the first reel first and are left with something like 0-0-2-2 or 0-0-2-3...that's not a play in any world.

My opinion is that if you are going to take those plays that partially include Reel 4 value, then you have to be willing to accept a somewhat low (compared to other plays) probability of profit on any one attempt and understand that you're mostly going to realize your value on lower probability outcomes...or those occasions where you just hit Free Games straight up.

Anyway, my results were good, before the machines I had went away. However, please keep in mind that these are my opinions only which, by necessity, represent a limited sample size on those specific types of plays.

As far as 3-3-3-3-3 goes, I think a person is more likely to find two of the first three already wild for a spin or two as find that. Sometimes casual players will hit a big pay and decide they are done, believe it or not, without even realizing that they still have those reels wild for another 1-3 spins. That's not going to happen often, so you won't get many plays like that, but I think you'll see them more than 3-3-3-3. Some casual players just hit a big pay and then switch machines almost automatically.

Was Aladdin ever in high-limit rooms for more than $3.00 bets? If so and MaxPen knew about it and was finding plays, I could see why one might throw out play points that nobody is likely to ever find. I'll let Max answer for himself on that one and hope he doesn't take offense to me suggesting that possibility.

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Marathon Mission at his finest.

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It wasn't one point per lantern. The formula I used for that was

Reels 1-3=2 points
Reel 4= 1 point
Reel 5= .5 point

15 or greater equals play

It was just something I came up with after I saw it on the floor.

It doesn't take me writing a book to explain some 2 bit machine play. I don't need to consult with a hobo think tank on Twitter and other places to figure these machines out as they appear. I simply play them when they come out and draw my own conclusions.

There were a lot of $6 Alladins in Vegas at one point

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I hope that you weren't referring to me. I discussed the plays with one other area vulture who does mostly the same thing that I do. I decided my play points both by playing and, as I usually do, spending some time watching other people playing the machines.

I like your points method and I think that you will find it results in largely the same conditions as I describe, except you would end up taking a pass on some plays that I would take...which is fine because they aren't the best plays anyway and I mainly continued to take them based on my personal results, which were admittedly, a limited sample size. If I didn't have my top three or four actual results, then I probably wouldn't have been taking a few of those anymore. But, I am taking some 12's and 13's (based on your point system) that you are not.*** With that, you would take a small handful of plays that I wouldn't just because I think Reel 2 catches lamps much more slowly.

I had a feeling that there would be some $6 Aladdins, though I never saw any myself.

***But, you would also be taking some of those at 15 points, for instance 3-1-2-2-2 you would take...and I am also taking...but not because I care about what Reel 5 is doing and I don't expect that Reel 2 is going to help me at all. I'd be shocked if it did, unless 1-3-4 trap me in a semi-perpetual playable state and Reel 2 runs faster than I expect in the meantime.

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Marathon Mission at his finest.

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True, true...but this is the ONE part of this whole thing (meaning, the machines) that's actually fun for me.

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Originally Posted by monet

Alright, you got me, I'm biting.
What is required for you to teach me how to average $600 cash per day in Vegas Casinos?
What is the bankroll requirement and how large will my daily swings be?
Am I able to do this independently?
I feel like I'm being set up but I always feel that way.

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I don't teach people. I have helped introduced a couple people to vulturing but that is about it. In order to get those results in Vegas you would have to be at the top of the game in knowledge and effort expended. Other parts of the country you could probably get away being mediocre at best.

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Another stupid statement. Guys like low roller maxpuke are a dime a dozen in Las Vegas. They don't have enough money to rub two quarters together.

In Las Vegas speed walking the machines is the major talent. maxpuke is a damn good speed walker. How much do you walk a day, maxie? 15 miles? 20 miles? With the occasional stop for a dollar hot dog.

PS: YOU don't know anything about the rest of the country, assclown.

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As they say,, ignorance is bliss.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

I agree with MickeyCrimm that you're not really finding 3-3-3-3-3 on Aladdin; I'm almost positive I never have. Honestly, I don't think I've ever found 3-3-3-3, regardless of what the last reel was doing.

I also agree that the value of the fifth reel is so negligible as to not merit consideration at all.

The area where I disagree with MC is that I think the fourth reel can sometimes decide whether one plays or not, but let's start with the fact I am more conservative than most in the first place.

MY PLAY POINTS:

-Any Seven, First Three Reels

-Six First Three Reels IF 3-0-3, 3-3-0, 0-3-3,

The realization of value in this game comes largely from lighting up multiple reels simultaneously, which is essentially what happens in the Free Games, depending on which FGs you choose. I always choose the spins with three reels wild.

On the ones I played, lamps came on Reel 2 the slowest, so I really didn't want Reel 2 to have to, "Catch up," to other reels for two to go wild simultaneously for any spins because it probably wasn't happening. That leads to the situation with Reel 4 that is not, "Any Nine First Four---which you would play anyway."

Lamps come the fastest on Reels 4 & 5, at least, in my sample size. That being the case, you could get Reel 4 Wild for one or more spins with a combination of that and one of the first three reels, so non-nine configurations such as:

3-X-2-3
2-X-3-3
3-X-2-2
2-X-3-2

Would then become playable. I can't think of a situation where it changes anything on a play that involves Reel 2 because, at least for the ones I played, Reel 2 is so slow anyway. I guess if you would play ?-3-?-3 or ?-3-?-2, regardless of what the (?) is, then there's that, but I wouldn't. You'll often see Reel 4 come and go completely, twice, in the time it takes Reel 2 to sometimes even catch a lamp.

The 2-X-3-2 and 3-X-2-2 configurations were really nice because they would sometimes lead to getting all three wild for a spin or two, which is just absolute payday. It's always four-of-a-kinds on anything except a lamp or Free Games symbol, but the worst case scenario is that you get two of those and still have two other symbols...and, actually, I don't even know if you can get a Free Games symbol and a lamp on the same reel. I want to say I doubt it, but I never really paid attention for that specific event.

Obviously, it's payday if you catch a genie on either of the other reels, because that's going to be some 5OaK.

Anyway, the 3-?-2 and 2-?-3 scenarios are, for me, where I felt like it made a difference what Reel 4 was doing. I'm not even going to promise that those kind of situations (with two or three on four) are good, but I liked my results well-enough to keep doing it.

If you are going to take configurations like those, don't get into the headspace of, "I can't leave value," when value doesn't exist. For example, if you hit the fourth reel and are left with 3-0-2-0-?, don't play that shit off if you wouldn't be playing it anyway. My goofy saying is, "If it's not good enough to play, it shouldn't be good enough to stay." I saw people fall into this trap a lot with a game that shares a name with a popular phone app where they would play the meter down to insane levels just because they felt like they were, "Abandoning," a play, if not. You're not abandoning anything when it's not a play anymore.

Most of all if you hit say, the first reel first and are left with something like 0-0-2-2 or 0-0-2-3...that's not a play in any world.

My opinion is that if you are going to take those plays that partially include Reel 4 value, then you have to be willing to accept a somewhat low (compared to other plays) probability of profit on any one attempt and understand that you're mostly going to realize your value on lower probability outcomes...or those occasions where you just hit Free Games straight up.

Anyway, my results were good, before the machines I had went away. However, please keep in mind that these are my opinions only which, by necessity, represent a limited sample size on those specific types of plays.

As far as 3-3-3-3-3 goes, I think a person is more likely to find two of the first three already wild for a spin or two as find that. Sometimes casual players will hit a big pay and decide they are done, believe it or not, without even realizing that they still have those reels wild for another 1-3 spins. That's not going to happen often, so you won't get many plays like that, but I think you'll see them more than 3-3-3-3. Some casual players just hit a big pay and then switch machines almost automatically.

Was Aladdin ever in high-limit rooms for more than $3.00 bets? If so and MaxPen knew about it and was finding plays, I could see why one might throw out play points that nobody is likely to ever find. I'll let Max answer for himself on that one and hope he doesn't take offense to me suggesting that possibility.

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It wasn't one point per lantern. The formula I used for that was

Reels 1-3=2 points
Reel 4= 1 point
Reel 5= .5 point

15 or greater equals play

It was just something I came up with after I saw it on the floor.

It doesn't take me writing a book to explain some 2 bit machine play. I don't need to consult with a hobo think tank on Twitter and other places to figure these machines out as they appear. I simply play them when they come out and draw my own conclusions.

There were a lot of $6 Alladins in Vegas at one point

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This is a dead giveaway that maxiepad is following me on Twitter. He’s safe from me blocking him because I have 1200 followers on Twitter. To much time involved in rooting out the sock puppet name he uses. And why does he follow me. Obvious. He’s looking for any information he can use. But the phony ass will tell you he don’t need anyone’s help.

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I agree with MickeyCrimm that you're not really finding 3-3-3-3-3 on Aladdin; I'm almost positive I never have. Honestly, I don't think I've ever found 3-3-3-3, regardless of what the last reel was doing.

I also agree that the value of the fifth reel is so negligible as to not merit consideration at all.

The area where I disagree with MC is that I think the fourth reel can sometimes decide whether one plays or not, but let's start with the fact I am more conservative than most in the first place.

MY PLAY POINTS:

-Any Seven, First Three Reels

-Six First Three Reels IF 3-0-3, 3-3-0, 0-3-3,

The realization of value in this game comes largely from lighting up multiple reels simultaneously, which is essentially what happens in the Free Games, depending on which FGs you choose. I always choose the spins with three reels wild.

On the ones I played, lamps came on Reel 2 the slowest, so I really didn't want Reel 2 to have to, "Catch up," to other reels for two to go wild simultaneously for any spins because it probably wasn't happening. That leads to the situation with Reel 4 that is not, "Any Nine First Four---which you would play anyway."

Lamps come the fastest on Reels 4 & 5, at least, in my sample size. That being the case, you could get Reel 4 Wild for one or more spins with a combination of that and one of the first three reels, so non-nine configurations such as:

3-X-2-3
2-X-3-3
3-X-2-2
2-X-3-2

Would then become playable. I can't think of a situation where it changes anything on a play that involves Reel 2 because, at least for the ones I played, Reel 2 is so slow anyway. I guess if you would play ?-3-?-3 or ?-3-?-2, regardless of what the (?) is, then there's that, but I wouldn't. You'll often see Reel 4 come and go completely, twice, in the time it takes Reel 2 to sometimes even catch a lamp.

The 2-X-3-2 and 3-X-2-2 configurations were really nice because they would sometimes lead to getting all three wild for a spin or two, which is just absolute payday. It's always four-of-a-kinds on anything except a lamp or Free Games symbol, but the worst case scenario is that you get two of those and still have two other symbols...and, actually, I don't even know if you can get a Free Games symbol and a lamp on the same reel. I want to say I doubt it, but I never really paid attention for that specific event.

Obviously, it's payday if you catch a genie on either of the other reels, because that's going to be some 5OaK.

Anyway, the 3-?-2 and 2-?-3 scenarios are, for me, where I felt like it made a difference what Reel 4 was doing. I'm not even going to promise that those kind of situations (with two or three on four) are good, but I liked my results well-enough to keep doing it.

If you are going to take configurations like those, don't get into the headspace of, "I can't leave value," when value doesn't exist. For example, if you hit the fourth reel and are left with 3-0-2-0-?, don't play that shit off if you wouldn't be playing it anyway. My goofy saying is, "If it's not good enough to play, it shouldn't be good enough to stay." I saw people fall into this trap a lot with a game that shares a name with a popular phone app where they would play the meter down to insane levels just because they felt like they were, "Abandoning," a play, if not. You're not abandoning anything when it's not a play anymore.

Most of all if you hit say, the first reel first and are left with something like 0-0-2-2 or 0-0-2-3...that's not a play in any world.

My opinion is that if you are going to take those plays that partially include Reel 4 value, then you have to be willing to accept a somewhat low (compared to other plays) probability of profit on any one attempt and understand that you're mostly going to realize your value on lower probability outcomes...or those occasions where you just hit Free Games straight up.

Anyway, my results were good, before the machines I had went away. However, please keep in mind that these are my opinions only which, by necessity, represent a limited sample size on those specific types of plays.

As far as 3-3-3-3-3 goes, I think a person is more likely to find two of the first three already wild for a spin or two as find that. Sometimes casual players will hit a big pay and decide they are done, believe it or not, without even realizing that they still have those reels wild for another 1-3 spins. That's not going to happen often, so you won't get many plays like that, but I think you'll see them more than 3-3-3-3. Some casual players just hit a big pay and then switch machines almost automatically.

Was Aladdin ever in high-limit rooms for more than $3.00 bets? If so and MaxPen knew about it and was finding plays, I could see why one might throw out play points that nobody is likely to ever find. I'll let Max answer for himself on that one and hope he doesn't take offense to me suggesting that possibility.

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It wasn't one point per lantern. The formula I used for that was

Reels 1-3=2 points
Reel 4= 1 point
Reel 5= .5 point

15 or greater equals play

It was just something I came up with after I saw it on the floor.

It doesn't take me writing a book to explain some 2 bit machine play. I don't need to consult with a hobo think tank on Twitter and other places to figure these machines out as they appear. I simply play them when they come out and draw my own conclusions.

There were a lot of $6 Alladins in Vegas at one point

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This is a dead giveaway that maxiepad is following me on Twitter. He’s safe from me blocking him because I have 1200 followers on Twitter. To much time involved in rooting out the sock puppet name he uses. And why does he follow me. Obvious. He’s looking for any information he can use. But the phony ass will tell you he don’t need anyone’s help.

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Anyone that knows me knows I don't Twitter. Trust that you have no info that I want or need.

I'm more interested in what MC thinks of my opinion on Reel 4 sometimes being a factor. Can we talk about gambling here at least once in a while?

You guys should hang out sometime. You'd probably like each other.

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I'm more interested in what MC thinks of my opinion on Reel 4 sometimes being a factor. Can we talk about gambling here at least once in a while?

You guys should hang out sometime. You'd probably like each other.

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Said the same thing before. Sad to see 2 good people go back and forth like this. Both have much more knowledge than the other wants to admit.

That said they probably both enjoy the banter and insults flying back and forth. It’s what we do here most of the time. Gambling talk and info is just a diversion.

As for Reel 4, I’m also with you in hearing more, the more opinions and results the better. It’s how some of us learn.

Mickey 0.2x back in the saddle, can dish it out but can’t take it..

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I have helped introduced a couple people to vulturing but that is about it. In order to get those results in Vegas you would have to be at the top of the game in knowledge and effort expended. Other parts of the country you could probably get away being mediocre at best.

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I am not a slot AP.

Why would it be easier outside of Las Vegas to vulture the games?

Seems to me Las Vegas should be easier as there are more places and more machines there than anywher else.

What, are the casinos more diligent about vulturing in Las Vegas than elsewhere due to the AP's, wannabe AP's, drifters and thieves wandering their floors?

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I am not a slot AP.

Why would it be easier outside of Las Vegas to vulture the games?

Seems to me Las Vegas should be easier as there are more places and more machines there than anywher else.

What, are the casinos more diligent about vulturing in Las Vegas than elsewhere due to the AP's, wannabe AP's, drifters and thieves wandering their floors?

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I've never understood what MaxPen is talking about on this one. Yeah, if you had a couple of casinos near each other that were as busy as Las Vegas casinos and had no competition, sure. What MaxPen does not seem to realize is that most casinos scattered around the country are nearly an hour (often more) from the next nearest casino and there is competition at many of these casinos. There are also generally fewer plays overall. Fewer target machines + less busy.

If you can learn a play very early (before casual players have figured out not to leave it and before the competition figures it out), then you can make some money on it and get a lot of plays. You just don't want any competition to see you on it, because just from that they know there is a pretty good reason.

Anyway, Vegas has more competition for vulture plays, which I think is what MaxPen means. Still, I'd love for him to identify, by name, a casino outside of Vegas where he thinks he's averaging $600/day just vulturing---AT ALL---much less without being there for eighteen hours and hopping on machines the second someone else hops off.

All of that said, I only have a good idea of one region of the country, so I stipulate that others could be different.

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I'm more interested in what MC thinks of my opinion on Reel 4 sometimes being a factor. Can we talk about gambling here at least once in a while?

You guys should hang out sometime. You'd probably like each other.

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Said the same thing before. Sad to see 2 good people go back and forth like this. Both have much more knowledge than the other wants to admit.

That said they probably both enjoy the banter and insults flying back and forth. It’s what we do here most of the time. Gambling talk and info is just a diversion.

As for Reel 4, I’m also with you in hearing more, the more opinions and results the better. It’s how some of us learn.

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Before MC answers, I guess I should reiterate that Reel 4 is just changing my opinion of the playability of machine states that some guys are taking anyway...so even with #4 in play, I'm still playing it more conservatively than some would.

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That said they probably both enjoy the banter and insults flying back and forth. It’s what we do here most of the time. Gambling talk and info is just a diversion.

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And this has been one of my gripes forever. There is no need for all the name calling and attacks among APs.

I have only gotten into that with a couple players that I don't believe are APs and have claims that defy the math of advantage play. Claims of progression wagering, stop limits, "special plays" and winning every or nearly every session. That is fantasy stuff.

But all this backandforth among APs, I don't 'get'. Seems to be a pissing contest. Is it about envy that someone might be doing better or doing things differently? I seriously have none of that towards any fellow AP.

Probably almost every AP is doing better than me. :D

I also don't get the issue with anyone saying what they make on a particular play or more long term like annually. It's a gambling forum with talk of gambling.

Of course this outrage is selective and dependant on other feuds and dislikes of people. For instance:

I say what I make (even during bad years) and there is outrage.

Mickey just said the same and no or less outrage.

Monet just posted he is experiencing real good results at the moment....+$62k recently. No outrage.

THIS is what gambling talk is.

I don't view it as anyone bragging, just sharing results. Maybe one guy is doing it in a bragging way...the nit wit insisting he is the greatest to ever set foot in Vegas, when his own results contradict that. :rolleyes:

I just don't get all this outrage. If someone wants to share results fine. If others don't feel comfortable with that and don't want to, that is fine also. But I mean really....isnt that what gambling is about, whether playing with an advantage or not?

BoSox gave me outrage and subtle scoffing.
He was clever in the way he used the needles.
He attacked me for a few weeks with the hammer but decided to take a softer tone in the last few months.
Don't matter.
I'm tired of posting the jackpots, cash, information and other shared experiences.
When I was posting sports tickets and picks I realized how easy it would be to hide losing information or spin the story in any direction I wanted so I stopped because I realized I can't really prove anything and it only harms me for the most part.

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I suppose one particular approach would be to determine the inventory of Regal Riches in Vegas which of course involves tremendous leg work. And then determine the hours of the day when certain Regal Riches at certain locations have a lack of other hustlers. Check the Minis on them for 9s - the minors,majors, and megas can be seen from afar (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/at...1&d=1629109282) for a given denom, but for machines with multiple denoms (1c,5c,25c. or whatever they may be) you are almost in the same spot as you are in for the Minis - you must manually switch the denom and then look them off for plays (with the Minis you have to check each of the levels for that denom). For the non-Mini banked games (minor,major,mega) you can use Mickey's numbers (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post130777) and RTP adjustments for tight (CZR) or loose properties. I've seen people get lucky taking 7s on the Minis, but I use 9 at a place I like to work. As a lot of people know, what makes this game a future Vulture Hall of Fame game, is what the Mini banked games do to the variance - it decimates the bank roll required to spin off the higher banked game levels (Minor,Major and Mega) plus it can pay off huge in and of itself as it did for JBJB. BTW vulturing UXs at Circa seems to work for some people since Millennials are leaving a lot of multipliers I heard.
BTW, I believe Slots of Fun at Circus Circus has $1 dogs (https://i.imgur.com/rAcheCm.png).

Cheers, TP.

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Nobody gonna acknowledge this post?
tableplay showing off his wallpaper ability!
You need to be more confrontational.
Remember when that AP guy was giving you shit constantly and you actually had to sling mud?
Good Times.

Lightning and Thunder just now outside my window with a flash downpour.
Need stronger rain and wind to break up that homeless camp around the corner.
I don't mind buying them dinner or giving them a few bucks but it drives me batshit crazy when they start camping near my house.
Maybe I need to move to a gated community or a farm.

[QUOTE=MaxPen;132134]

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I agree with MickeyCrimm that you're not really finding 3-3-3-3-3 on Aladdin; I'm almost positive I never have. There were a lot of $6 Alladins in Vegas at one point

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A $500 bankroll is overkill for playing $6 Aladdin's. I thought you didn't lower yourself to such standards.

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It wasn't one point per lantern. The formula I used for that was

Reels 1-3=2 points
Reel 4= 1 point
Reel 5= .5 point

15 or greater equals play

It was just something I came up with after I saw it on the floor.

It doesn't take me writing a book to explain some 2 bit machine play. I don't need to consult with a hobo think tank on Twitter and other places to figure these machines out as they appear. I simply play them when they come out and draw my own conclusions.

There were a lot of $6 Alladins in Vegas at one point

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This is a dead giveaway that maxiepad is following me on Twitter. He’s safe from me blocking him because I have 1200 followers on Twitter. To much time involved in rooting out the sock puppet name he uses. And why does he follow me. Obvious. He’s looking for any information he can use. But the phony ass will tell you he don’t need anyone’s help.

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Anyone that knows me knows I don't Twitter. Trust that you have no info that I want or need.

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Anyone that knows you doesn't know your secret twitter handle.

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I'm more interested in what MC thinks of my opinion on Reel 4 sometimes being a factor.

You guys should hang out sometime. You'd probably like each other.

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I'm somewhat spoiled on the Aladdin variant called Golden Jungle where I know the machines are 92% payback. I've done thousands of plays. I'll play any configuration of 5 points on the first 3 reels and I don't pay attention to the 4th and 5th reels.

But in places with lower payback I like your strategy better now that I've seen it.

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Mickey 0.2x back in the saddle, can dish it out but can’t take it..

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I took you off restriction, er, ignore, too. I take it and dish it out to. For years I dished it out to Rob and took it from him too. I take a licking and keep on ticking. If I couldn't take it I'd be gone, bozo.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

I'm more interested in what MC thinks of my opinion on Reel 4 sometimes being a factor. Can we talk about gambling here at least once in a while?

You guys should hang out sometime. You'd probably like each other.

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Said the same thing before. Sad to see 2 good people go back and forth like this. Both have much more knowledge than the other wants to admit.

That said they probably both enjoy the banter and insults flying back and forth. It’s what we do here most of the time. Gambling talk and info is just a diversion.

As for Reel 4, I’m also with you in hearing more, the more opinions and results the better. It’s how some of us learn.

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maxpuke and I used to get along fine until he started trolling me because of my opinion on the doubble up bug. His hatred for Singer caused him to start attacking me for just stating an honest opinion. Did anyone see him call me KJ's manservant when I voiced the opinion that KJ was the best card counter in Vegas? No. But when I voiced an opinion that was favorable to Singer maxiepad went beserk on me. It's not up to me to make peace. It's up to the asshole that started it.

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Originally Posted by tableplay

I suppose one particular approach would be to determine the inventory of Regal Riches in Vegas which of course involves tremendous leg work. And then determine the hours of the day when certain Regal Riches at certain locations have a lack of other hustlers. Check the Minis on them for 9s - the minors,majors, and megas can be seen from afar (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/at...1&d=1629109282) for a given denom, but for machines with multiple denoms (1c,5c,25c. or whatever they may be) you are almost in the same spot as you are in for the Minis - you must manually switch the denom and then look them off for plays (with the Minis you have to check each of the levels for that denom). For the non-Mini banked games (minor,major,mega) you can use Mickey's numbers (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post130777) and RTP adjustments for tight (CZR) or loose properties. I've seen people get lucky taking 7s on the Minis, but I use 9 at a place I like to work. As a lot of people know, what makes this game a future Vulture Hall of Fame game, is what the Mini banked games do to the variance - it decimates the bank roll required to spin off the higher banked game levels (Minor,Major and Mega) plus it can pay off huge in and of itself as it did for JBJB. BTW vulturing UXs at Circa seems to work for some people since Millennials are leaving a lot of multipliers I heard.
BTW, I believe Slots of Fun at Circus Circus has $1 dogs (https://i.imgur.com/rAcheCm.png).

Cheers, TP.

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Nobody gonna acknowledge this post?
tableplay showing off his wallpaper ability!
You need to be more confrontational.
Remember when that AP guy was giving you shit constantly and you actually had to sling mud?
Good Times.

Lightning and Thunder just now outside my window with a flash downpour.
Need stronger rain and wind to break up that homeless camp around the corner.
I don't mind buying them dinner or giving them a few bucks but it drives me batshit crazy when they start camping near my house.
Maybe I need to move to a gated community or a farm.

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I agree with Tableplay that in current conditions you should prey on casinos with Regal Riches...as long as there are ample ancillary plays there too.

I'm still collecting RR stats to zero in on playable numbers. This is a game where you can drive a decent enough wager to maybe get some freebies out of the casino. And it's easy to bury the win/show a loss by pulling the card when the number is just a couple away from the top.

I recently played some RR's at a CZR property. The 15's were 85% there so I felt the RR's probably were 85% too. I think I detected a pattern with the low payback RR's. The greens come out only one at a time. You never catch two, three or four. That would stretch the cycle out, consequently, lower payback.

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Originally Posted by tableplay

I suppose one particular approach would be to determine the inventory of Regal Riches in Vegas which of course involves tremendous leg work. And then determine the hours of the day when certain Regal Riches at certain locations have a lack of other hustlers. Check the Minis on them for 9s - the minors,majors, and megas can be seen from afar (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/at...1&d=1629109282) for a given denom, but for machines with multiple denoms (1c,5c,25c. or whatever they may be) you are almost in the same spot as you are in for the Minis - you must manually switch the denom and then look them off for plays (with the Minis you have to check each of the levels for that denom). For the non-Mini banked games (minor,major,mega) you can use Mickey's numbers (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post130777) and RTP adjustments for tight (CZR) or loose properties. I've seen people get lucky taking 7s on the Minis, but I use 9 at a place I like to work. As a lot of people know, what makes this game a future Vulture Hall of Fame game, is what the Mini banked games do to the variance - it decimates the bank roll required to spin off the higher banked game levels (Minor,Major and Mega) plus it can pay off huge in and of itself as it did for JBJB. BTW vulturing UXs at Circa seems to work for some people since Millennials are leaving a lot of multipliers I heard.
BTW, I believe Slots of Fun at Circus Circus has $1 dogs (https://i.imgur.com/rAcheCm.png).

Cheers, TP.

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Nobody gonna acknowledge this post?
tableplay showing off his wallpaper ability!
You need to be more confrontational.
Remember when that AP guy was giving you shit constantly and you actually had to sling mud?
Good Times.

Lightning and Thunder just now outside my window with a flash downpour.
Need stronger rain and wind to break up that homeless camp around the corner.
I don't mind buying them dinner or giving them a few bucks but it drives me batshit crazy when they start camping near my house.
Maybe I need to move to a gated community or a farm.

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I agree with Tableplay that in current conditions you should prey on casinos with Regal Riches...as long as there are ample ancillary plays there too.

I'm still collecting RR stats to zero in on playable numbers. This is a game where you can drive a decent enough wager to maybe get some freebies out of the casino. And it's easy to bury the win/show a loss by pulling the card when the number is just a couple away from the top.

I recently played some RR's at a CZR property. The 15's were 85% there so I felt the RR's probably were 85% too. I think I detected a pattern with the low payback RR's. The greens come out only one at a time. You never catch two, three or four. That would stretch the cycle out, consequently, lower payback.

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You're looking for playable numbers on that game still??? That has to be a joke. Ploppies have already figured that game out and won't hardly play it anymore because the Asian vulture teams post sentries on each bank to swoop in and clean away any scrap that manages to get left.

For Christ sake, the tweakers have figured it out......lol..... They plop down on it and search out hobos like yourself to give them a 50% freeroll on any win to give up the machine.

Maybe you and your hobo brain trust on Twitter should work harder on that one......lol....That's another game ready to go into the history books.

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Originally Posted by monet

Nobody gonna acknowledge this post?
tableplay showing off his wallpaper ability!
You need to be more confrontational.
Remember when that AP guy was giving you shit constantly and you actually had to sling mud?
Good Times.

Lightning and Thunder just now outside my window with a flash downpour.
Need stronger rain and wind to break up that homeless camp around the corner.
I don't mind buying them dinner or giving them a few bucks but it drives me batshit crazy when they start camping near my house.
Maybe I need to move to a gated community or a farm.

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I agree with Tableplay that in current conditions you should prey on casinos with Regal Riches...as long as there are ample ancillary plays there too.

I'm still collecting RR stats to zero in on playable numbers. This is a game where you can drive a decent enough wager to maybe get some freebies out of the casino. And it's easy to bury the win/show a loss by pulling the card when the number is just a couple away from the top.

I recently played some RR's at a CZR property. The 15's were 85% there so I felt the RR's probably were 85% too. I think I detected a pattern with the low payback RR's. The greens come out only one at a time. You never catch two, three or four. That would stretch the cycle out, consequently, lower payback.

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You're looking for playable numbers on that game still??? That has to be a joke. Ploppies have already figured that game out and won't hardly play it anymore because the Asian vulture teams post sentries on each bank to swoop in and clean away any scrap that manages to get left.

For Christ sake, the tweakers have figured it out......lol..... They plop down on it and search out hobos like yourself to give them a 50% freeroll on any win to give up the machine.

Maybe you and your hobo brain trust on Twitter should work harder on that one......lol....That's another game ready to go into the history books.

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Pure out nonsense. You're a petty, vindictive lowlife looking for any scrap of shit to throw at the wall and see if it will stick. The game has not been in my area that long and their are not that many machines. Nothing like what a town like Las Vegas would have. I don't get RR plays every day or even every week. So the stat collecting is slow, Mr. "I hate Singer and anyone who says anything favorable about him!" You really need to grow up.

I have playable numbers, idiot. But can they be lowered is the question. The answer requires more stats than I have.

Earlier in this thread you bragged about being a bigshot that wouldn't stoop to vulturing especially if it was worth only $600 a day. But when Monet enquired about that $600 a day you seen you got blindsided. Didn't see it coming. You did the only thing you could, blew smoke and mirrors.

You don't lower yourself to walking the casinos and vulturing? Then how the hell would you know what the plops and asians are doing.

You just tell one fucking lie after another and think nobody knows. Pathetic idiot.

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Remember when that AP guy was giving you shit constantly and you actually had to sling mud?
Good Times.

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I agree with Tableplay that in current conditions you should prey on casinos with Regal Riches...as long as there are ample ancillary plays there too.

I'm still collecting RR stats to zero in on playable numbers. This is a game where you can drive a decent enough wager to maybe get some freebies out of the casino. And it's easy to bury the win/show a loss by pulling the card when the number is just a couple away from the top.

I recently played some RR's at a CZR property. The 15's were 85% there so I felt the RR's probably were 85% too. I think I detected a pattern with the low payback RR's. The greens come out only one at a time. You never catch two, three or four. That would stretch the cycle out, consequently, lower payback.

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You're looking for playable numbers on that game still??? That has to be a joke. Ploppies have already figured that game out and won't hardly play it anymore because the Asian vulture teams post sentries on each bank to swoop in and clean away any scrap that manages to get left.

For Christ sake, the tweakers have figured it out......lol..... They plop down on it and search out hobos like yourself to give them a 50% freeroll on any win to give up the machine.

Maybe you and your hobo brain trust on Twitter should work harder on that one......lol....That's another game ready to go into the history books.

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Pure out nonsense. You're a petty, vindictive lowlife looking for any scrap of shit to throw at the wall and see if it will stick. The game has not been in my area that long and their are not that many machines. Nothing like what a town like Las Vegas would have. I don't get RR plays every day or even every week. So the stat collecting is slow, Mr. "I hate Singer and anyone who says anything favorable about him!" You really need to grow up.

I have playable numbers, idiot. But can they be lowered is the question. The answer requires more stats than I have.

Earlier in this thread you bragged about being a bigshot that wouldn't stoop to vulturing especially if it was worth only $600 a day. But when Monet enquired about that $600 a day you seen you got blindsided. Didn't see it coming. You did the only thing you could, blew smoke and mirrors.

You don't lower yourself to walking the casinos and vulturing? Then how the hell would you know what the plops and asians are doing.

You just tell one fucking lie after another and think nobody knows. Pathetic idiot.

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Trust that there isn't much on the casino floor that I don't see. I can pick out the hobos like you from across the room. I never said that I wouldn't vulture.

I said if I wanted to do that I could in my own backyard. That's your problem. You don't comprehend what you read. Did Rob accidentally stick you in the eyeball last time you were polishing the front 9?

If Monet wants info he knows where to find me. I am certainly not going to shoot out any info publicly unlike yourself. 80% of the idiots walking around these casinos taking plays couldn't find their way out of a paper bag if it wasn't for bozos like you trying to prove they know something. Maybe someone will send you advanced Regal numbers and you can ship them out to the minions that follow you on Twitter.....lol

For starters, I just have some basic questions that I think could be answered publicly.
If a person can average 600 dollars per day for 365 days per year, in Vegas, that seems like a pretty damn good annual salary.
$219,000 dollars to be exact and that should be in the form of tax free cash, I would imagine.
This doesn't even factor in comps or mailers.
It's impressive to say the least.

I would be happy with 250 days of work per year and an average of 400 dollars per day.
That's a smooth 100 grand per year.
It's not exactly baller money but I'd be A OK with that figure.
Especially if this is something that can be done alone, with little exposure and very low risk or swings.

So I guess those are the first questions.
Can you make an easy 100k per year in Vegas without an intricate network of worker bees, 50k starting bankroll, little to no Heat and not having to walk daily marathons??

I can see one problem about this discussion for Max, if this is easily achievable.
He isn't going to want to share the information, which would cause indirect competition, which could draw massive heat and lower his daily average.
On the other hand it appears that a 600 dollar a day average, for MaxPen, isn't even worth his time.
It would appear that he is averaging well over that figure, according to his previous post, that first peaked my interest.
I barely read any of the posts because its mostly just MC and Max bashing each other but as I was skimming through the words, that 600 dollar a day backyard comment hit me like a deer in the headlights!
I believe it is possible but the landscape has changed in such a drastic way that my knowledge and methods have become obsolete.
"Adapt or Die" -Pieter Willem Botha-

Tom G showed us how to get a monster edge in sports betting but it requires a massive amount of daily action.
I think it was something like 20 bets per day, averaging 250k wagered per week.
I'm probably off on this total amount wagered but I just remember thinking how impossible it would be for me to bet on all those games day in and day out.
Easy Money... I suppose but the Fucking Leg Work involved is impossible for me to maintain.
And I have a sun problem.
When the sun comes up, I go to sleep.

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$1.25 by the south point sportsbooking place, not quite $1. Costco count?

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Good Looking Out!
I forgot about the sportsbook hot dogs.
The Orleans used to be 75 cents but I'm sure that changed.
SouthPoint, El Cortel... etc. etc.
I don't mind making a bet at the window but I haven't sat down and watched a game in the book for a very long time.
I have a bunch of Hebrew National All Natural Hot Dogs in the Freezer.
I think they cost 75 cents each after coupon and sale price.
Hebrew National Hot Dogs should be Kosher to talk about on this site and forum!
Even though Nathans are from the Gentiles and not Kosher they still make a pretty good dog IMO.
When we get into those Dumb Pollock's and their Polish Sausage we are moving up a notch or two in the meat tube world, once again... IMO.

Best Hot Dogs I ever ate were in Hollywood near the Chinese Theater.
Street Vendor used to make them on a flat top grill outside on the sidewalk.
I have no clue what brand or exactly how he cooked them but by far the best tasting Hot Dog ever and that was 20 years ago.
I only got to eat them for 2 weekends in a row but never forgot them.
I can still sort of see the guys face who sold them.
Those dogs were the oversized kind.
Sort of like Knockwurst but definitely not Knockwurst... those were Hot Dogs... Best Damn Hot Dogs in the world... EVER!

You Fuckers better not be putting ketchup on your Hot Dogs.
That's a Fucking Violation.
Everyone knows that mustard is the only acceptable condiment.
You can put all that Chicago Bullshit on your dogs and eggs, bacon and onions but don't ever put Ketchup on a Hot Dog.

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For starters, I just have some basic questions that I think could be answered publicly.
If a person can average 600 dollars per day for 365 days per year, in Vegas, that seems like a pretty damn good annual salary.
$219,000 dollars to be exact and that should be in the form of tax free cash, I would imagine.
This doesn't even factor in comps or mailers.
It's impressive to say the least.

I would be happy with 250 days of work per year and an average of 400 dollars per day.
That's a smooth 100 grand per year.
It's not exactly baller money but I'd be A OK with that figure.
Especially if this is something that can be done alone, with little exposure and very low risk or swings.

So I guess those are the first questions.
Can you make an easy 100k per year in Vegas without an intricate network of worker bees, 50k starting bankroll, little to no Heat and not having to walk daily marathons??

I can see one problem about this discussion for Max, if this is easily achievable.
He isn't going to want to share the information, which would cause indirect competition, which could draw massive heat and lower his daily average.
On the other hand it appears that a 600 dollar a day average, for MaxPen, isn't even worth his time.
It would appear that he is averaging well over that figure, according to his previous post, that first peaked my interest.
I barely read any of the posts because its mostly just MC and Max bashing each other but as I was skimming through the words, that 600 dollar a day backyard comment hit me like a deer in the headlights!
I believe it is possible but the landscape has changed in such a drastic way that my knowledge and methods have become obsolete.
"Adapt or Die" -Pieter Willem Botha-

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I seem to have severely underestimated the participants on this forum to some extent. Unless people are fucking with me. Either way I am done talking after this. For the simple fact it is real clear to me that I have no idea who the fuck I am talking with on here. I generally have no problems discussing stuff with people I know and have sized up.

If you are vulturing you are walking. Not sure why that is looked at as a bad thing. Guess a person could get a scooter and have a higher mph between casinos.....lol. In Vegas you are gonna be hitting 6-12 casinos a day. Some more than once most likely, in order to pull that $600 a day, and that's if you know what you are doing. That is what I know that I can personally do. It is too much work for that $ amount since I can earn a higher hourly elsewhere. That is why I don't do it regularly. Plus I am way to lazy to maintain an intense 10 hour day continuously.

I know a couple of what I consider top level vultures. One tells me that daily 600 number is about right and the other one tells me that is low for Vegas in his opinion. $400 daily would be doable by a motivated barely optimal vulture in my opinion.

20k will handle all but less than 1% of the stuff you will typically run up against. A lot of vultures are running around with less than even 5k. They simply have to pass on the bigger things. But most of them have someone they can call in if they have been around for any amount of time.

But really,,, I would have put you down for making more than 100k already. A top level vulture is only going to need 6 figures on super rare occasions. Unless he/she is knocking back some of the VP progs and stuff. I don't consider that vulturing though. Besides you already have a deep understanding of low edge VP opportunities with high hourlies. From what I can tell.

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I seem to have severely underestimated the participants on this forum to some extent. Unless people are fucking with me. Either way I am done talking after this. For the simple fact it is real clear to me that I have no idea who the fuck I am talking with on here. I generally have no problems discussing stuff with people I know and have sized up.

If you are vulturing you are walking. Not sure why that is looked at as a bad thing. Guess a person could get a scooter and have a higher mph between casinos.....lol. In Vegas you are gonna be hitting 6-12 casinos a day. Some more than once most likely, in order to pull that $600 a day, and that's if you know what you are doing. That is what I know that I can personally do. It is too much work for that $ amount since I can earn a higher hourly elsewhere. That is why I don't do it regularly. Plus I am way to lazy to maintain an intense 10 hour day continuously.

I know a couple of what I consider top level vultures. One tells me that daily 600 number is about right and the other one tells me that is low for Vegas in his opinion. $400 daily would be doable by a motivated barely optimal vulture in my opinion.

20k will handle all but less than 1% of the stuff you will typically run up against. A lot of vultures are running around with less than even 5k. They simply have to pass on the bigger things. But most of them have someone they can call in if they have been around for any amount of time.

But really,,, I would have put you down for making more than 100k already. A top level vulture is only going to need 6 figures on super rare occasions. Unless he/she is knocking back some of the VP progs and stuff. I don't consider that vulturing though. Besides you already have a deep understanding of low edge VP opportunities with high hourlies. From what I can tell.

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I'm just trying to grasp the concept and what all is required to achieve 219k per year.
Obviously, I am ignorant in the knowledge and the current concepts.
I've noticed in the last 5 to 8 years that I have consistently fallen behind in the changes in all Casinos and Vision Machines.
And when I say changes, I mean in every aspect of how the Casino has changed gears over that span of time.
I tend to believe that this is the upper tier of Advantage Play.
I'm guessing certain individuals can make 100k per month on average.
I tend to believe that you are far ahead of me in every aspect of gambling and advantage play.
I appreciate the time you took out of your day to type out the information above.
Thanks.

Personally, in the last 10 years, I have a handful of passive income avenues so I haven't been as focused as in years prior.
Getting Old.
Lost my edge and most likely a step or two.
It won't be long now till I end up in the pasture.
To my credit, I have survived in Vegas for 30 years so that's a positive compared to most who make the attempt, in my mind that is.
I'm guessing ZenKing will have 5 Million Banked, at minimum, by the year 2026.
About 4 years ago he told all of us to buy BitCoin at 1800 but he was scared at how to go about the purchase.
If he would of put 40k of his 55k in BitCoin, at that time, he would have how much now??
About 900k to 1 Million Dollars as he would of had 22 coins that are worth about 45k per coin right now.
I hope he took his own advice, at the time and at least bought a coin or two.

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You're looking for playable numbers on that game still??? That has to be a joke. Ploppies have already figured that game out and won't hardly play it anymore because the Asian vulture teams post sentries on each bank to swoop in and clean away any scrap that manages to get left.

For Christ sake, the tweakers have figured it out......lol..... They plop down on it and search out hobos like yourself to give them a 50% freeroll on any win to give up the machine.

Maybe you and your hobo brain trust on Twitter should work harder on that one......lol....That's another game ready to go into the history books.

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Pure out nonsense. You're a petty, vindictive lowlife looking for any scrap of shit to throw at the wall and see if it will stick. The game has not been in my area that long and their are not that many machines. Nothing like what a town like Las Vegas would have. I don't get RR plays every day or even every week. So the stat collecting is slow, Mr. "I hate Singer and anyone who says anything favorable about him!" You really need to grow up.

I have playable numbers, idiot. But can they be lowered is the question. The answer requires more stats than I have.

Earlier in this thread you bragged about being a bigshot that wouldn't stoop to vulturing especially if it was worth only $600 a day. But when Monet enquired about that $600 a day you seen you got blindsided. Didn't see it coming. You did the only thing you could, blew smoke and mirrors.

You don't lower yourself to walking the casinos and vulturing? Then how the hell would you know what the plops and asians are doing.

You just tell one fucking lie after another and think nobody knows. Pathetic idiot.

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Trust that there isn't much on the casino floor that I don't see. I can pick out the hobos like you from across the room. I never said that I wouldn't vulture.

I said if I wanted to do that I could in my own backyard. That's your problem. You don't comprehend what you read. Did Rob accidentally stick you in the eyeball last time you were polishing the front 9?

If Monet wants info he knows where to find me. I am certainly not going to shoot out any info publicly unlike yourself. 80% of the idiots walking around these casinos taking plays couldn't find their way out of a paper bag if it wasn't for bozos like you trying to prove they know something. Maybe someone will send you advanced Regal numbers and you can ship them out to the minions that follow you on Twitter.....lol

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Thats right. You said "if I wanted to." Like it was below your bigshot AP dignity to vulture. But now here you are writing about how much you vulture. Get KJ's cock out of your mouth long enough to get some blood back in your brain. You're walking the floor just like the competition you consider to be scumbags in Vegas. SO YOU ARE A DECENT UPRIGHT AP BUT ALL THE OTHER VULTURES ARE SCUMBAGS? Guess what, idiot. YOU'RE DOING THE SAME THING THEY ARE. THAT MEANS YOU'RE A SCUMBAG TOO.

I already said, some time ago that playable numbers hover around 9/60/80/110, a little less if good RTP, a little more if bad RTP. You really need to work on your reading comprehension, moron.

As for advanced Regal numbers it's clear you don't get it. There's a big difference in payback in the machines I play compared to the Strip. Big difference between a CZR Regal and a Regal in an Indian casino. I'll take the ones in the Indian casino. You vegas idiots/suckers can play the CZR Regals.

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For starters, I just have some basic questions that I think could be answered publicly.
If a person can average 600 dollars per day for 365 days per year, in Vegas, that seems like a pretty damn good annual salary.
$219,000 dollars to be exact and that should be in the form of tax free cash, I would imagine.
This doesn't even factor in comps or mailers.
It's impressive to say the least.

I would be happy with 250 days of work per year and an average of 400 dollars per day.
That's a smooth 100 grand per year.
It's not exactly baller money but I'd be A OK with that figure.
Especially if this is something that can be done alone, with little exposure and very low risk or swings.

So I guess those are the first questions.
Can you make an easy 100k per year in Vegas without an intricate network of worker bees, 50k starting bankroll, little to no Heat and not having to walk daily marathons??

I can see one problem about this discussion for Max, if this is easily achievable.
He isn't going to want to share the information, which would cause indirect competition, which could draw massive heat and lower his daily average.
On the other hand it appears that a 600 dollar a day average, for MaxPen, isn't even worth his time.
It would appear that he is averaging well over that figure, according to his previous post, that first peaked my interest.
I barely read any of the posts because its mostly just MC and Max bashing each other but as I was skimming through the words, that 600 dollar a day backyard comment hit me like a deer in the headlights!
I believe it is possible but the landscape has changed in such a drastic way that my knowledge and methods have become obsolete.
"Adapt or Die" -Pieter Willem Botha-

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I seem to have severely underestimated the participants on this forum to some extent. Unless people are fucking with me. Either way I am done talking after this. For the simple fact it is real clear to me that I have no idea who the fuck I am talking with on here. I generally have no problems discussing stuff with people I know and have sized up.

If you are vulturing you are walking. Not sure why that is looked at as a bad thing. Guess a person could get a scooter and have a higher mph between casinos.....lol. In Vegas you are gonna be hitting 6-12 casinos a day. Some more than once most likely, in order to pull that $600 a day, and that's if you know what you are doing. That is what I know that I can personally do. It is too much work for that $ amount since I can earn a higher hourly elsewhere. That is why I don't do it regularly. Plus I am way to lazy to maintain an intense 10 hour day continuously.

I know a couple of what I consider top level vultures. One tells me that daily 600 number is about right and the other one tells me that is low for Vegas in his opinion. $400 daily would be doable by a motivated barely optimal vulture in my opinion.

20k will handle all but less than 1% of the stuff you will typically run up against. A lot of vultures are running around with less than even 5k. They simply have to pass on the bigger things. But most of them have someone they can call in if they have been around for any amount of time.

But really,,, I would have put you down for making more than 100k already. A top level vulture is only going to need 6 figures on super rare occasions. Unless he/she is knocking back some of the VP progs and stuff. I don't consider that vulturing though. Besides you already have a deep understanding of low edge VP opportunities with high hourlies. From what I can tell.

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Just another wannabe. But you're right about yourself. You don't have what it takes to do it. Not the honest way, anyway. You're a sleazeball that has some kind of scam going, right, twinkletoes. Anyone can tell that sleazeball tactics are all you know.

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Just another wannabe. But you're right about yourself. You don't have what it takes to do it. Not the honest way, anyway. You're a sleazeball that has some kind of scam going, right, twinkletoes. Anyone can tell that sleazeball tactics are all you know.

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Just for the record, I have no problem implementing sleazeball tactics.
I'd pay good money to learn more sleazeball tactics.

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Just another wannabe. But you're right about yourself. You don't have what it takes to do it. Not the honest way, anyway. You're a sleazeball that has some kind of scam going, right, twinkletoes. Anyone can tell that sleazeball tactics are all you know.

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Just for the record, I have no problem implementing sleazeball tactics.
I'd pay good money to learn more sleazeball tactics.

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You can put all that Chicago Bullshit on your dogs and eggs, bacon and onions but don't ever put Ketchup on a Hot Dog.

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Onions (usually diced), the dog itself, and the bun for me.

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I've noticed in the last 5 to 8 years that I have consistently fallen behind in the changes in all Casinos and Vision Machines.

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I'm more interested in what MC thinks of my opinion on Reel 4 sometimes being a factor.

You guys should hang out sometime. You'd probably like each other.

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I'm somewhat spoiled on the Aladdin variant called Golden Jungle where I know the machines are 92% payback. I've done thousands of plays. I'll play any configuration of 5 points on the first 3 reels and I don't pay attention to the 4th and 5th reels.

But in places with lower payback I like your strategy better now that I've seen it.

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More like Golden Egypt and Scarab had a baby, but similar concept with collecting an item above the reels. Thanks for the comment on the strategy!

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You Fuckers better not be putting ketchup on your Hot Dogs.
That's a Fucking Violation.
Everyone knows that mustard is the only acceptable condiment.
You can put all that Chicago Bullshit on your dogs and eggs, bacon and onions but don't ever put Ketchup on a Hot Dog.

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Onions, Boom Boom Sauce, Cheese, Black Olives, Pickle Relish.

This section of your post was hilarious!

Hot dogs are disgusting.

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I generally agree, but I find myself in the mood for one, on rare occasion. I literally eat one or two in the entire year and it's so buried in the bullshit I have them put on it that it's really just there for heft; you can't taste the hot dog itself.

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Hot dogs are disgusting.

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I generally agree, but I find myself in the mood for one, on rare occasion. I literally eat one or two in the entire year and it's so buried in the bullshit I have them put on it that it's really just there for heft; you can't taste the hot dog itself.

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I'll starve to death before I either eat a hot dog or White Castle.

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Hot dogs are disgusting.

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I generally agree, but I find myself in the mood for one, on rare occasion. I literally eat one or two in the entire year and it's so buried in the bullshit I have them put on it that it's really just there for heft; you can't taste the hot dog itself.

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I'll starve to death before I either eat a hot dog or White Castle.

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Seems like a prop bet that I can't lose, unless you decide to designate someone I have to pay in the event of your demise. JK

I also am a big fan of the junk food hot dogs.

Casino Royale has a footlong hotdog place in the back, used to be 99 cents, now like $2.25 or something.
Slots of fun had a no name 99 cent hot dog by the front door, later became Nathan's and now shut down.
Last couple years, Stations casinos have a $1 hotdog stand right by the sportsbooks, open only during football games.
El Cortez, was only during football games, we will see if it is back this year.
As mentioned, South Point, used to be 75 cents, now $1.25
Gold coast had a hotdog stand by sportsbook, I forget the price (maybe $2 range)

In the early 2000’s the area between the Westward Ho, the Stardust and Slots A Fun was hotdog central. You could “enjoy” 3 meals a day of hot dogs if one desired for under $5 with a couple .75 beers thrown in.

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I also am a big fan of the junk food hot dogs.

Casino Royale has a footlong hotdog place in the back, used to be 99 cents, now like $2.25 or something.
Slots of fun had a no name 99 cent hot dog by the front door, later became Nathan's and now shut down.
Last couple years, Stations casinos have a $1 hotdog stand right by the sportsbooks, open only during football games.
El Cortez, was only during football games, we will see if it is back this year.
As mentioned, South Point, used to be 75 cents, now $1.25
Gold coast had a hotdog stand by sportsbook, I forget the price (maybe $2 range)

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Badda bing, badda boom.

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Hot dogs are disgusting.

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Communist.

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Monet, it sounds to me like you are on a Vision Quest.

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Onions (usually diced), the dog itself, and the bun for me.

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Classic!!
You make me want to eat an Apple Pie and watch a Baseball Game!!

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Onions, Boom Boom Sauce, Cheese, Black Olives, Pickle Relish.

This section of your post was hilarious!

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You have to know what Sheetz is.
Those ASSHOLES didn't use Boom Boom sauce in this commercial and they put ketchup on both dogs.
MotherFuckers!
Fuck You Sheetz.
Can't believe I gave you all those quarters, back in the early 80s, in your arcade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=220TeQEUdpE

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You Fuckers better not be putting ketchup on your Hot Dogs.

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Let me guess: you've probably never earned your "red wings," either.

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Ahhhhhh, lickin the labia.during the (.).

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For starters, I just have some basic questions that I think could be answered publicly.
If a person can average 600 dollars per day for 365 days per year, in Vegas, that seems like a pretty damn good annual salary.
$219,000 dollars to be exact and that should be in the form of tax free cash, I would imagine.
This doesn't even factor in comps or mailers.
It's impressive to say the least.

I would be happy with 250 days of work per year and an average of 400 dollars per day.
That's a smooth 100 grand per year.
It's not exactly baller money but I'd be A OK with that figure.
Especially if this is something that can be done alone, with little exposure and very low risk or swings.

So I guess those are the first questions.
Can you make an easy 100k per year in Vegas without an intricate network of worker bees, 50k starting bankroll, little to no Heat and not having to walk daily marathons??

I can see one problem about this discussion for Max, if this is easily achievable.
He isn't going to want to share the information, which would cause indirect competition, which could draw massive heat and lower his daily average.
On the other hand it appears that a 600 dollar a day average, for MaxPen, isn't even worth his time.
It would appear that he is averaging well over that figure, according to his previous post, that first peaked my interest.
I barely read any of the posts because its mostly just MC and Max bashing each other but as I was skimming through the words, that 600 dollar a day backyard comment hit me like a deer in the headlights!
I believe it is possible but the landscape has changed in such a drastic way that my knowledge and methods have become obsolete.
"Adapt or Die" -Pieter Willem Botha-

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I seem to have severely underestimated the participants on this forum to some extent. Unless people are fucking with me. Either way I am done talking after this. For the simple fact it is real clear to me that I have no idea who the fuck I am talking with on here. I generally have no problems discussing stuff with people I know and have sized up.

If you are vulturing you are walking. Not sure why that is looked at as a bad thing. Guess a person could get a scooter and have a higher mph between casinos.....lol. In Vegas you are gonna be hitting 6-12 casinos a day. Some more than once most likely, in order to pull that $600 a day, and that's if you know what you are doing. That is what I know that I can personally do. It is too much work for that $ amount since I can earn a higher hourly elsewhere. That is why I don't do it regularly. Plus I am way to lazy to maintain an intense 10 hour day continuously.

I know a couple of what I consider top level vultures. One tells me that daily 600 number is about right and the other one tells me that is low for Vegas in his opinion. $400 daily would be doable by a motivated barely optimal vulture in my opinion.

20k will handle all but less than 1% of the stuff you will typically run up against. A lot of vultures are running around with less than even 5k. They simply have to pass on the bigger things. But most of them have someone they can call in if they have been around for any amount of time.

But really,,, I would have put you down for making more than 100k already. A top level vulture is only going to need 6 figures on super rare occasions. Unless he/she is knocking back some of the VP progs and stuff. I don't consider that vulturing though. Besides you already have a deep understanding of low edge VP opportunities with high hourlies. From what I can tell.

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Just another wannabe. But you're right about yourself. You don't have what it takes to do it. Not the honest way, anyway. You're a sleazeball that has some kind of scam going, right, twinkletoes. Anyone can tell that sleazeball tactics are all you know.

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You no longer interest me. You're a 30 year AP with 3 years experience. Keep grindin' hobo and may the road be kind. Carry on with your Twitter minions that try to suck any bit of info they can out of you. Anyone who is serious should recognize to not have anything to do with you. You are the sleaze ball. Now quit projecting your weaknesses onto others. I bet if you didn't eat so many $1 hotdogs you wouldn't have shit stained underwear....RIP