Trumps new message on vax

You guys see the interview with Candace? If you haven't, I'll dig it up and post it later. So crazy on so many levels. It was awesome seeing her set him up (in positive sense) then he goes off 180 in the other direction talking about how vaccines are the greatest thing. ha ha good stuff.

So for a second I thought to myself, yanno, maybe he ISN'T as bad as I thought. Maybe he doesn't want to go down in history as being the guy he was in office? So he is trying to help the country...

Then I read that he is likely only doing it because he doesn't want his voters dying off ! That theory makes far more sense but wow it is extremely cynical. Could that really be the reason?

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

You guys see the interview with Candace? If you haven't, I'll dig it up and post it later. So crazy on so many levels. It was awesome seeing her set him up (in positive sense) then he goes off 180 in the other direction talking about how vaccines are the greatest thing. ha ha good stuff.

So for a second I thought to myself, yanno, maybe he ISN'T as bad as I thought. Maybe he doesn't want to go down in history as being the guy he was in office? So he is trying to help the country...

Then I read that he is likely only doing it because he doesn't want his voters dying off ! That theory makes far more sense but wow it is extremely cynical. Could that really be the reason?

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Are you and Mission146 getting drunk and or high together??
Trump has always supported these so called vaccines.
He actually takes the credit for creating them with Operation Warp Speed.
The difference with Trump is that he believes in all the controversial medicines too.
Let's not forget that Trump made a full recover from Covid in less than a week and he is old and obese.
Supposedly, the monoclonal antibodies are better than the vaccines for getting an individual on a quick road to recovery.
He took heart burn medicine and sleeping pills with basic asprin too.
All the drugs and vitamins that I know of that he took are:

Hydroxychloroquine
Dexamethasone
Remdesivir
Dexamethasone
Regeneron's monoclonal antibodies
Zinc
Vitamin D
Famotidine
Aspirin

The difference with Trump is that he wasn't mandating anyone to take it.
He wasn't mandating that all businesses have to force their employees to take it.
Trump is and was about choice.
He may flip flop on that and be forced into making mandates but I doubt it.
He didn't even want to lockdown the country.
They pressured him into that.
Deep Down he probably was against sending people stimulus too.
I'm sure that Trump has all the Pharma Stocks in his portfolio just like the rest of Washington.

Trump said that he was taking Hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic.
Trump says and does a lot of crazy shit.
Your thread makes no sense as you are trying to bash Trump for something that he has always preached and believed in.
He never flip flopped on this vaccine issue.
He has always supported it.
He says you should get it if you want to... your choice.
Your liberal democrat heroes are the ones that said they would never take it but are now forcing it on everyone.
Wise Up.
RIP

What did I do?

I agree that Trump has always promoted the vaccines. As a matter of fact, on this one, I agree 110% with everything that Donald Trump said in that interview. I think that people should get the vaccines. After letting a large percentage of people effectively be my guinea pigs I made the determination, for myself, that the side effects were mild enough that I was better off with the vaccine than without and went ahead and got it. '

That said, I also agree with Trump (I think I just puked in my mouth a little) that getting the vaccine is 100% a personal choice and that those who do not want it should not be forced to get it (By the Government).

Further, I agree with Trump, to an extent, on vaccine mandates. I believe that the various levels of Government have the right to have mandates for their own employees. I believe that businesses have the right to demand that employees be vaccinated, if those businesses wish to do that, because that's all free association. I do not believe that the Government should have any hand in deciding the policies of private or public businesses (read: corporations) and should not shut down any businesses for any reason, as they did in the early part of the pandemic.

Anyway, these have always been my positions and were my positions even last year. I have never wavered on any of these positions, aside from not taking the vaccine right away myself to eventually getting it. I was always opposed to the Government ordered shutdowns of businesses that the Government, capriciously and arbitrarily, considered non-essential.

At all times, I favored businesses to be permitted to have any masking/social distancing policies that the owners or operators of the business felt were appropriate and to NOT have any enforced on them by the Government.

The only Government ordered shutdowns that I thought that I even could maybe contemplate were extremely large INDOOR gatherings, such as sporting events and concerts held in arenas. Even with that, I was on the fence.

So, I have no idea what Mission146 you are talking about, but it's not me.

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What did I do?

I agree that Trump has always promoted the vaccines. As a matter of fact, on this one, I agree 110% with everything that Donald Trump said in that interview. I think that people should get the vaccines. After letting a large percentage of people effectively be my guinea pigs I made the determination, for myself, that the side effects were mild enough that I was better off with the vaccine than without and went ahead and got it. '

That said, I also agree with Trump (I think I just puked in my mouth a little) that getting the vaccine is 100% a personal choice and that those who do not want it should not be forced to get it (By the Government).

Further, I agree with Trump, to an extent, on vaccine mandates. I believe that the various levels of Government have the right to have mandates for their own employees. I believe that businesses have the right to demand that employees be vaccinated, if those businesses wish to do that, because that's all free association. I do not believe that the Government should have any hand in deciding the policies of private or public businesses and should not shut down any businesses for any reason, as they did in the early part of the pandemic.

Anyway, these have always been my positions and were my positions even last year. I have never wavered on any of these positions, aside from not taking the vaccine right away myself to eventually getting it. I was always opposed to the Government ordered shutdowns of businesses that the Government, capriciously and arbitrarily, considered non-essential.

At all times, I favored businesses to be permitted to have any masking/social distancing policies that the owners or operators of the business felt were appropriate and to NOT have any enforced on them by the Government.

The only Government ordered shutdowns that I thought that I even could maybe contemplate were extremely large INDOOR gatherings, such as sporting events and concerts held in arenas. Even with that, I was on the fence.

So, I have no idea what Mission146 you are talking about, but it's not me.

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You are allowing businesses to discriminate against a large portion of the population.
This is a new precedent and you are opening the door for them to discriminate against any health problem that you have.
NY City has it in their law now that they can force you to vaccinate to have any job and they can later decide on any other Health Issue for you to keep your job.
So they can fire you for having AIDs or any other disease they don't like.
You are supporting Nazism, not Libertarian as you claim to be.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

What did I do?

I agree that Trump has always promoted the vaccines. As a matter of fact, on this one, I agree 110% with everything that Donald Trump said in that interview. I think that people should get the vaccines. After letting a large percentage of people effectively be my guinea pigs I made the determination, for myself, that the side effects were mild enough that I was better off with the vaccine than without and went ahead and got it. '

That said, I also agree with Trump (I think I just puked in my mouth a little) that getting the vaccine is 100% a personal choice and that those who do not want it should not be forced to get it (By the Government).

Further, I agree with Trump, to an extent, on vaccine mandates. I believe that the various levels of Government have the right to have mandates for their own employees. I believe that businesses have the right to demand that employees be vaccinated, if those businesses wish to do that, because that's all free association. I do not believe that the Government should have any hand in deciding the policies of private or public businesses (read: corporations) and should not shut down any businesses for any reason, as they did in the early part of the pandemic.

Anyway, these have always been my positions and were my positions even last year. I have never wavered on any of these positions, aside from not taking the vaccine right away myself to eventually getting it. I was always opposed to the Government ordered shutdowns of businesses that the Government, capriciously and arbitrarily, considered non-essential.

At all times, I favored businesses to be permitted to have any masking/social distancing policies that the owners or operators of the business felt were appropriate and to NOT have any enforced on them by the Government.

The only Government ordered shutdowns that I thought that I even could maybe contemplate were extremely large INDOOR gatherings, such as sporting events and concerts held in arenas. Even with that, I was on the fence.

So, I have no idea what Mission146 you are talking about, but it's not me.

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You are so Fucking Odd because you are the guy who fights the Casinos in court for 86'ing you but you are in favor of the Casinos to force us to take a jab every six months so we can deal cards.

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You are allowing businesses to discriminate against a large portion of the population.
This is a new precedent and you are opening the door for them to discriminate against any health problem that you have.
NY City has it in their law now that they can force you to vaccinate to have any job and they can later decide on any other Health Issue for you to keep your job.
So they can fire you for having AIDs or any other disease they don't like.
You are supporting Nazism, not Libertarian as you claim to be.

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In what way does that qualify as discrimination? There are businesses out there that will not hire people if they make the personal choice to smoke cigarettes, or other tobacco products. From the perspective of the businesses, people who choose to be unvaccinated represent a risk not only to the other labor within that business, but also the possibility of business disruption due to prolonged absences, and perhaps even death, should the unvaccinated happen to contract Covid-19 themselves.

In other words, even if it qualifies as, "Discrimination," it is certainly not a new precedent that is being permitted. Unvaccinated people are no more a protected class under the law, despite what they may happen to think, than smokers are.

There's nothing more Libertarian than to promote the rights of the owners of businesses (i.e. property) to have whatever rules they want to have on their own holdings with as little Government intrusion as feasible.

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You are so Fucking Odd because you are the guy who fights the Casinos in court for 86'ing you but you are in favor of the Casinos to force us to take a jab every six months so we can deal cards.

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I didn't fight them in court for 86'ing me, I fought the jurisdiction in court on the grounds of defiant trespass charges because the owner of the physical property was different than it was at the time I was 86'ed and the new owners had not 86'ed me or given any indication that my previous 86'ing would still apply.

And while we are on the subject, notice how Truck Drivers are exempt from forcing employees to take the shots.
Why?
Because they know the Supply Chain would come to a screeching halt because those people will quit working.
And we all need the Truck Drivers and Train Operators so we can buy food at the Grocery Store.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

In what way does that qualify as discrimination? There are businesses out there that will not hire people if they make the personal choice to smoke cigarettes, or other tobacco products. From the perspective of the businesses, people who choose to be unvaccinated represent a risk not only to the other labor within that business, but also the possibility of business disruption due to prolonged absences, and perhaps even death, should the unvaccinated happen to contract Covid-19 themselves.

In other words, even if it qualifies as, "Discrimination," it is certainly not a new precedent that is being permitted. Unvaccinated people are no more a protected class under the law, despite what they may happen to think, than smokers are.

There's nothing more Libertarian than to promote the rights of the owners of businesses (i.e. property) to have whatever rules they want to have on their own holdings with as little Government intrusion as feasible.

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It depends on how many employees your business has:

If you have at least one employee: You are covered by the law that requires employers to provide equal pay for equal work to male and female employees.

If you have 15 to 19 employees: You are covered by the laws that prohibit discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, disability and genetic information (including family medical history). You are also covered by the law that requires employers to provide equal pay for equal work.

If you have 20 or more employees: You are covered by the laws that prohibit discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability and genetic information (including family medical history). You are also covered by the law that requires employers to provide equal pay for equal work.

Wise Up.

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And while we are on the subject, notice how Truck Drivers are exempt from forcing employees to take the shots.
Why?
Because they know the Supply Chain would come to a screeching halt because those people will quit working.
And we all need the Truck Drivers and Train Operators so we can buy food at the Grocery Store.

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This woman does a great job of exposing the fraud. None of this would be happening if pharma was not granted immunity in the CARES act.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vqgj9ypXYehS/

This is from 2017 I think. Realize that Moderna never had a success. Now they are injecting bad technology into the general population. Don't worry,,,,, that will definitely end well. Let's hear a round of applause for vax tards and immunity from consequence.

RIP

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/...-trouble-mrna/

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It depends on how many employees your business has:

If you have at least one employee: You are covered by the law that requires employers to provide equal pay for equal work to male and female employees.

If you have 15 to 19 employees: You are covered by the laws that prohibit discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, disability and genetic information (including family medical history). You are also covered by the law that requires employers to provide equal pay for equal work.

If you have 20 or more employees: You are covered by the laws that prohibit discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability and genetic information (including family medical history). You are also covered by the law that requires employers to provide equal pay for equal work.

Wise Up.

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I assume you intend to tell me what the fuck that has to do with anything, at some point.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

What did I do?

I agree that Trump has always promoted the vaccines. As a matter of fact, on this one, I agree 110% with everything that Donald Trump said in that interview. I think that people should get the vaccines. After letting a large percentage of people effectively be my guinea pigs I made the determination, for myself, that the side effects were mild enough that I was better off with the vaccine than without and went ahead and got it. '

That said, I also agree with Trump (I think I just puked in my mouth a little) that getting the vaccine is 100% a personal choice and that those who do not want it should not be forced to get it (By the Government).

Further, I agree with Trump, to an extent, on vaccine mandates. I believe that the various levels of Government have the right to have mandates for their own employees. I believe that businesses have the right to demand that employees be vaccinated, if those businesses wish to do that, because that's all free association. I do not believe that the Government should have any hand in deciding the policies of private or public businesses and should not shut down any businesses for any reason, as they did in the early part of the pandemic.

Anyway, these have always been my positions and were my positions even last year. I have never wavered on any of these positions, aside from not taking the vaccine right away myself to eventually getting it. I was always opposed to the Government ordered shutdowns of businesses that the Government, capriciously and arbitrarily, considered non-essential.

At all times, I favored businesses to be permitted to have any masking/social distancing policies that the owners or operators of the business felt were appropriate and to NOT have any enforced on them by the Government.

The only Government ordered shutdowns that I thought that I even could maybe contemplate were extremely large INDOOR gatherings, such as sporting events and concerts held in arenas. Even with that, I was on the fence.

So, I have no idea what Mission146 you are talking about, but it's not me.

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You are allowing businesses to discriminate against a large portion of the population.
This is a new precedent and you are opening the door for them to discriminate against any health problem that you have.
NY City has it in their law now that they can force you to vaccinate to have any job and they can later decide on any other Health Issue for you to keep your job.
So they can fire you for having AIDs or any other disease they don't like.
You are supporting Nazism, not Libertarian as you claim to be.

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I don't think Trump always supported vaccines. Yes, he funded them because I don't think he could have gotten by NOT doing that. There are many things he did though that would indicate he didn't support vaccines (publically). He got the thing in private on the down low. Why? I don't think there was an ad by ex-presidents that he decided to not stick with. He had countless chances to make the point to his followers, but he clearly refused to do so until RECENTLY. WHY ? ! ?

It really looks like he's been told how this plays out with the razor thin vote margins. It makes sense. It was always 100% about being elected with Trump moreso than most other politicians. I'm not faulting him for this, I just find it fascinating.

Anyway, I was going to point out that inorder to get into a public school I had to be vaccinated as a child.

It is called "civilization". Look it up, Monet.

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I don't think Trump always supported vaccines. Yes, he funded them because I don't think he could have gotten by NOT doing that. There are many things he did though that would indicate he didn't support vaccines (publically). He got the thing in private on the down low. Why? I don't think there was an ad by ex-presidents that he decided to not stick with. He had countless chances to make the point to his followers, but he clearly refused to do so until RECENTLY. WHY ? ! ?

It really looks like he's been told how this plays out with the razor thin vote margins. It makes sense. It was always 100% about being elected with Trump moreso than most other politicians. I'm not faulting him for this, I just find it fascinating.

Anyway, I was going to point out that inorder to get into a public school I had to be vaccinated as a child.

It is called "civilization". Look it up, Monet.

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You said it, it was about getting reelected. He should no more take a strong position (as POTUS) on Covid vaccines than he should get on Twitter and announce that he has been an Atheist the whole time.

Beyond that, he made a few wild guesses in the early parts of the Covid-19 pandemic hoping to come out of it smelling like roses, and was wrong on basically all counts, so he could only backpedal so far in advance of November.

After the guesses he made, even while sort of trying to do the right thing by the public, it's pretty important that he at least not play up (at the time) the seriousness of the issue.

I figure he always thought that the vaccines were a good idea, but is being more vocal about it now because he has nothing to gain from not being vocal about getting them.

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And while we are on the subject, notice how Truck Drivers are exempt from forcing employees to take the shots.
Why?
Because they know the Supply Chain would come to a screeching halt because those people will quit working.
And we all need the Truck Drivers and Train Operators so we can buy food at the Grocery Store.

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Not sure why this is directed at me.
I never voted in my life.
I never supported any politician in my life.
The system is completely rigged.
People hate religion but they found a new religion with one of the 2 parties.
I could care less who is president because it doesn't matter.
Corporations make the rules and not one politician cares about you or me or the other 99% of the population.

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I assume you intend to tell me what the fuck that has to do with anything, at some point.

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I don't care and neither of us is going to convince each other of anything.
The world is going deeper into Government Control so enjoy it.
I hope it works out for you all.

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And while we are on the subject, notice how Truck Drivers are exempt from forcing employees to take the shots.
Why?
Because they know the Supply Chain would come to a screeching halt because those people will quit working.
And we all need the Truck Drivers and Train Operators so we can buy food at the Grocery Store.

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Not sure why this is directed at me.
I never voted in my life.
I never supported any politician in my life.
The system is completely rigged.
People hate religion but they found a new religion with one of the 2 parties.
I could care less who is president because it doesn't matter.
Corporations make the rules and not one politician cares about you or me or the other 99% of the population.

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Now they're all changing their tune !!!

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Now they're all changing their tune !!!

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You are high dude.
The only thing I ever flip flopped on this forum is the mask wearing.
I like wearing masks inside the Casino now.
I was wrong about that rule.
Mask Wearing in the Casino is a good thing for me.

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I assume you intend to tell me what the fuck that has to do with anything, at some point.

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I don't care and neither of us is going to convince each other of anything.
The world is going deeper into Government Control so enjoy it.
I hope it works out for you all.

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I really think you're talking to Mission146, circa 2012. My views towards economic issues as well as the degree of control the Federal Government should have are entirely changed. The only thing substantially unchanged are my views on social issues.

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And while we are on the subject, notice how Truck Drivers are exempt from forcing employees to take the shots.
Why?
Because they know the Supply Chain would come to a screeching halt because those people will quit working.
And we all need the Truck Drivers and Train Operators so we can buy food at the Grocery Store.

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Not sure why this is directed at me.
I never voted in my life.
I never supported any politician in my life.
The system is completely rigged.
People hate religion but they found a new religion with one of the 2 parties.
I could care less who is president because it doesn't matter.
Corporations make the rules and not one politician cares about you or me or the other 99% of the population.

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I wasn't directing it at you. I was just putting it up. I agree with everything you just said. The post I replied to doesn't even have anything to do with the meme. Sometimes I just hit whatever button and post my stuff. :D

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Not sure why this is directed at me.
I never voted in my life.
I never supported any politician in my life.
The system is completely rigged.
People hate religion but they found a new religion with one of the 2 parties.
I could care less who is president because it doesn't matter.
Corporations make the rules and not one politician cares about you or me or the other 99% of the population.

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Now they're all changing their tune !!!

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Not changing my tune. Although Trump was the lesser of the evils doesn't mean I was ever a follower. You won't find any worshipping posts in my past. That's Man Servant's thing.

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Trump said that he was taking Hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic.
Trump says and does a lot of crazy shit.
Your thread makes no sense as you are trying to bash Trump for something that he has always preached and believed in.
He never flip flopped on this vaccine issue.
He has always supported it.
He says you should get it if you want to... your choice.
Your liberal democrat heroes are the ones that said they would never take it but are now forcing it on everyone.
Wise Up.
RIP

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I apologize if I already posted this before, but Hydroxychloroquine is probably why Sub-Saharan Africa has such low Covid cases - the Hydroxychloroquine people use to fight malaria has ancillary benefits for Covid prevention and treatment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA631bMT9g8

This will keep you busy for 5 hours...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K78jqx9fx2I