Got it All Right

Mickey will love me for this, but for those following my blog's "Propaganda Files" entries, especially this last week, I appear to have gotten almost everything correct on multiple fronts. Either I'm prescient, or professional gamblers have a nose for the news.

First, I will post the links to recent blog entries. Then, I will post a link to the NYTimes story coming out today regarding CDC data.


https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...ation-and.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...d-tactics.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...-two-what.html


Here's the NYTimes report:

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-isnt-publ...124915536.html

News flash: no one follows your blog

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey will love me for this, but for those following my blog's "Propaganda Files" entries, especially this last week, I appear to have gotten almost everything correct on multiple fronts. Either I'm prescient, or professional gamblers have a nose for the news.

First, I will post the links to recent blog entries. Then, I will post a link to the NYTimes story coming out today regarding CDC data.


https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...ation-and.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...d-tactics.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...-two-what.html


Here's the NYTimes report:

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-isnt-publ...124915536.html

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Damn bro you nailed it.

All those cucked out by faker'n fake news on this board will have nothing to say though.

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News flash: no one follows your blog

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I agree. Last month it was around 600. Modest by any standards.

I think I clicked on it once. I don't really read blogs though.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Damn bro you nailed it.

All those cucked out by faker'n fake news on this board will have nothing to say though.

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Just like ComRed, you are delusional.
If anything, the members on this board, actually listen to conversations and decide for themselves.
FOX, CNN, MSNBC and the MSM are all in the Entertainment Industry.
CNN is probably the worst right now as they have to fire everyone.
The difference between our thinking and yours is that we believe in "Live and Let Live".
We want the Government and our Neighbors to leave us the Fuck Alone.
Your sick, twisted side is all about Control and Neb-Nosing.
You guys are never happy and you always want more.
I'm not even sure most members here are independent as they probably are like me and don't register or vote.
We don't want to be a part of your system.
We are Anti-Establishment.
Hence all the Vulturing, VP Play and out right degenerate behavior.
Leave us the Fuck alone!

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News flash: no one follows your blog

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I have no idea what Redietz's blog says about this stuff because I didn't click on any of the links. I am never going to click on any of the links.

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I have no idea what Redietz's blog says about this stuff because I didn't click on any of the links. I am never going to click on any of the links.

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#METOO

Anyways, I go downstairs to get something to drink.
My uncle is watching TV and a Hershey's Commercial comes on.
I literally can't find this commercial on the internet as of right now.
But it's something about Gay this and Gay that and SHE something.
They literally have little girls promoting how proud they are to be Gay.
That sort of thing used to be considered child abuse.

This is what I am talking about.
The Fucking Liberals can't leave us the Fuck alone.
They have to cram their shit down our throats every chance they get.
Why do we have to celebrate Gay's or Women or Women of Color?
Can't we all just buy a Fucking Chocolate Bar and Celebrate people and or life?
Or maybe just eat the Fucking Chocolate Bar and enjoy the endorphin rush?
I mean the world isn't fair and it will never be some sort of Utopia.
What would happen if some company came out with a commercial stating that we are celebrating White People for the month of March???
The Left would lose their Fucking Minds is what would happen.
Didn't Coca-Cola just force their new employees to be less white?
lol

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Didn't Coca-Cola just force their new employees to be less white?
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Thanks Monet, I didn't hear about the Coca-Cola thing but I totally believe it.

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Thanks Monet, I didn't hear about the Coca-Cola thing but I totally believe it.

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Got to be more careful now.
It seems this is the beginning of the end of free speech in America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2FHZ6bKybw

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Thanks Monet, I didn't hear about the Coca-Cola thing but I totally believe it.

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Got to be more careful now.
It seems this is the beginning of the end of free speech in America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2FHZ6bKybw

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Thanks for the link Monet: Russell showed one caption that said the government was forcing social media companies to suppress dissenting views. I disagree with this. I think social media companies are complicit with the government in suppressing dissenting (i.e. the truth) views.
Anyhow, Russell's podcasts overall are great and this one was mostly spot on IMHO.

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Thanks for the link Monet: Russell showed one caption that said the government was forcing social media companies to suppress dissenting views. I disagree with this. I think social media companies are complicit with the government in suppressing dissenting (i.e. the truth) views.
Anyhow, Russell's podcasts overall are great and this one was mostly spot on IMHO.

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He made a couple good points and this was one of them...

What the Government wants is control.
What the Corporate World wants is money.
What both of them want is power.
What neither of them care about is YOU!

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Thanks for the link Monet: Russell showed one caption that said the government was forcing social media companies to suppress dissenting views. I disagree with this. I think social media companies are complicit with the government in suppressing dissenting (i.e. the truth) views.
Anyhow, Russell's podcasts overall are great and this one was mostly spot on IMHO.

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He made a couple good points and this was one of them...

What the Government wants is control.
What the Corporate World wants is money.
What both of them want is power.
What neither of them care about is YOU!

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Yes. Additionally the Corporate World wants control.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Damn bro you nailed it.

All those cucked out by faker'n fake news on this board will have nothing to say though.

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Just like ComRed, you are delusional.
If anything, the members on this board, actually listen to conversations and decide for themselves.
FOX, CNN, MSNBC and the MSM are all in the Entertainment Industry.
CNN is probably the worst right now as they have to fire everyone.
The difference between our thinking and yours is that we believe in "Live and Let Live".
We want the Government and our Neighbors to leave us the Fuck Alone.
Your sick, twisted side is all about Control and Neb-Nosing.
You guys are never happy and you always want more.
I'm not even sure most members here are independent as they probably are like me and don't register or vote.
We don't want to be a part of your system.
We are Anti-Establishment.
Hence all the Vulturing, VP Play and out right degenerate behavior.
Leave us the Fuck alone!

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I forgot about this thead.

Yea, I'm all about control because I believe vaccines work even if they're not near as good as we had hoped.

"my system"

"anti-establishment" So much you go to fake news to get your scoops.

Anyway, that was a good response you gave. I'll pat myself on the back.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey will love me for this, but for those following my blog's "Propaganda Files" entries, especially this last week, I appear to have gotten almost everything correct on multiple fronts. Either I'm prescient, or professional gamblers have a nose for the news.

First, I will post the links to recent blog entries. Then, I will post a link to the NYTimes story coming out today regarding CDC data.


https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...ation-and.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...d-tactics.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...-two-what.html


Here's the NYTimes report:

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-isnt-publ...124915536.html

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Damn bro you nailed it.

All those cucked out by faker'n fake news on this board will have nothing to say though.

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What were you right about?

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Yea, I'm all about control because I believe vaccines work even if they're not near as good as we had hoped.

"my system"

"anti-establishment" So much you go to fake news to get your scoops.

Anyway, that was a good response you gave. I'll pat myself on the back.

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In March of 2021 Rachel Maddow said "A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus, the virus does not infect them, the virus cannot use that person to go anywhere else. It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people."

Was the above statement fake news?

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Yea, I'm all about control because I believe vaccines work even if they're not near as good as we had hoped.

"my system"

"anti-establishment" So much you go to fake news to get your scoops.

Anyway, that was a good response you gave. I'll pat myself on the back.

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In March of 2021 Rachel Maddow said "A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus, the virus does not infect them, the virus cannot use that person to go anywhere else. It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people."

Was the above statement fake news?

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It was dead wrong. Ignorant is a better word. Or propaganda. I try to save the phrase "fake news" for things like interviews where responses are for the most part known in advance -- Fox, MSNBC, and CNN do a lot of those. In my opinion, Fox and CNN are actually worse than MSBC for "scripted interviews."

Do you have a specific source for the attribution to Maddow? If I haven't personally heard the quote, I try to attribute the source whenever possible.

If Maddow said that, she was clueless from the beginning. With the original variant, viral loads were higher for unvaccinated infected than vaccinated, but that's no longer really the case, which is why you don't hear about viral loads any more.

I looked this up. This seems to have actually been a result of both Maddow saying this on March 29 and Maddow interviewing Dr. Rochelle Walensky, who said this (of our CDC, of course). The reporting of this is March 30, with a reference to it having been said Tuesday, which is that date.

Maddow and Walensky are engaged in propaganda here. Maddow should have been less arrogant about declaring things, and Walensky should have been savvy enough to anticipate variants eventually finding ways around the vaccine's initial effectiveness, which happened in a couple of months.

Really, very irresponsible, bordering on criminal. And certainly there should be civil liability, because at any given time, variants exist in real time in the population to which what the CDC expert said does not apply. So even in the case of the CDC expert being correct for 90% of the population, that left a huge chunk for which it was irresponsible.

As I say often in the "Propaganda Files," institutions do not have the right to lie to you to get what they deem is an optimal result in service of the "greater good."

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey will love me for this, but for those following my blog's "Propaganda Files" entries, especially this last week, I appear to have gotten almost everything correct on multiple fronts. Either I'm prescient, or professional gamblers have a nose for the news.

First, I will post the links to recent blog entries. Then, I will post a link to the NYTimes story coming out today regarding CDC data.


https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...ation-and.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...d-tactics.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...-two-what.html


Here's the NYTimes report:

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-isnt-publ...124915536.html

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How did your advocacy of a long lockdown square with the Johns Hopkins study?

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey will love me for this, but for those following my blog's "Propaganda Files" entries, especially this last week, I appear to have gotten almost everything correct on multiple fronts. Either I'm prescient, or professional gamblers have a nose for the news.

First, I will post the links to recent blog entries. Then, I will post a link to the NYTimes story coming out today regarding CDC data.


https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...ation-and.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...d-tactics.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...-two-what.html


Here's the NYTimes report:

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-isnt-publ...124915536.html

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How did your advocacy of a long lockdown square with the Johns Hopkins study?

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If you'll notice, the Johns Hopkins study conclusions had to do with just the U.S. and western Europe, which is not the majority of the planet. And lockdowns did reduce deaths in Europe and the U.S. I suppose the calculus is they didn't prevent enough deaths in the U.S. and Europe to make them "worthwhile."

As was stated at the beginning of the "pandemic" by many of us here at VCT, the lockdowns caused a huge number of deaths from suicide,drug abuse/alcoholism, and the inability to get health care service for non-Covid-19 health issues - dwarfing the deaths caused by covid-19 itself.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey will love me for this, but for those following my blog's "Propaganda Files" entries, especially this last week, I appear to have gotten almost everything correct on multiple fronts. Either I'm prescient, or professional gamblers have a nose for the news.

First, I will post the links to recent blog entries. Then, I will post a link to the NYTimes story coming out today regarding CDC data.


https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...ation-and.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...d-tactics.html

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...-two-what.html


Here's the NYTimes report:

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-isnt-publ...124915536.html

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How did your advocacy of a long lockdown square with the Johns Hopkins study?

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If you'll notice, the Johns Hopkins study conclusions had to do with just the U.S. and western Europe, which is not the majority of the planet. And lockdowns did reduce deaths in Europe and the U.S. I suppose the calculus is they didn't prevent enough deaths in the U.S. and Europe to make them "worthwhile."

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Did the lockdowns prevent deaths or just postpone them until the lockdowns end?

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How did your advocacy of a long lockdown square with the Johns Hopkins study?

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If you'll notice, the Johns Hopkins study conclusions had to do with just the U.S. and western Europe, which is not the majority of the planet. And lockdowns did reduce deaths in Europe and the U.S. I suppose the calculus is they didn't prevent enough deaths in the U.S. and Europe to make them "worthwhile."

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Did the lockdowns prevent deaths or just postpone them until the lockdowns end?

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Taking that question verbatim, nothing prevents anything because everybody (outside of Jesus of Nazareth, Osiris, and Count Dracula) dies permanently at some point.

The U.S. and western Europe, combined, have a billion people. Asia alone has 4.5 billion. Have you looked up how many lives were saved by lockdowns in Asia? If you haven't, then why not?

Heads up. Here's a link to Dr. John Campbell's latest.

Everybody should watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfyOihhAD4A


I suspect Campbell is now free to state what he has implied to this point, because there are peer reviewed published papers stating results in unequivocal ways. Had he said this without the papers, YouTube would have tried to suspend him.

The real question is, how many lives would have been saved if we all read Red’s blog? I mean the guy got it all right. I did read the last two.

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If you'll notice, the Johns Hopkins study conclusions had to do with just the U.S. and western Europe, which is not the majority of the planet. And lockdowns did reduce deaths in Europe and the U.S. I suppose the calculus is they didn't prevent enough deaths in the U.S. and Europe to make them "worthwhile."

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Did the lockdowns prevent deaths or just postpone them until the lockdowns end?

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Taking that question verbatim, nothing prevents anything because everybody (outside of Jesus of Nazareth, Osiris, and Count Dracula) dies permanently at some point.

The U.S. and western Europe, combined, have a billion people. Asia alone has 4.5 billion. Have you looked up how many lives were saved by lockdowns in Asia? If you haven't, then why not?

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I don't live in Asia and a billion people is a big enough sample space for me. Apparently, you don't think it is when it doesn't fit your narrative. The countries with the long lockdowns have only postponed the inevitable; that covid will spread when they open back up.

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As was stated at the beginning of the "pandemic" by many of us here at VCT, the lockdowns caused a huge number of deaths from suicide,drug abuse/alcoholism, and the inability to get health care service for non-Covid-19 health issues - dwarfing the deaths caused by covid-19 itself.

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And the healthcare system would have melted down in a way we didn't begin to see if there has been 0 lockdowns/mask wearing. Granted, it would have been over quicker but really no one knows. "Dwarfing" is exceptionally questionable. Lets look up suicide rates... as I don't think that many people drank themselves to death that quickly nor were there that many ODs.

Actually LOL google suicide rates during pandemic. They actually went DOWN. That seems to be the consensus.

That leaves the lack of healthcare, which is also uhm debatable.

Were people denied healthcare due to lockdowns? Physicians etc can put up whatever rules they wish. Can you even show me a law/lockdown that prevented people from having healthcare?

Collectivism isn't like some evil that is anti-Western. The US could use a bit more to help stay competitive with China. Just because government suggests things doesn't mean you have to be anti.

If we consider what would have happened without any measures, one thing for certain is healthcare would have been MUCH worse for those who caught COVID during that time as healthcare would have been slammed in a way we have never seen.

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As was stated at the beginning of the "pandemic" by many of us here at VCT, the lockdowns caused a huge number of deaths from suicide,drug abuse/alcoholism, and the inability to get health care service for non-Covid-19 health issues - dwarfing the deaths caused by covid-19 itself.

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And the healthcare system would have melted down in a way we didn't begin to see if there has been 0 lockdowns/mask wearing. Granted, it would have been over quicker but really no one knows. "Dwarfing" is exceptionally questionable. Lets look up suicide rates... as I don't think that many people drank themselves to death that quickly nor were there that many ODs.

Actually LOL google suicide rates during pandemic. They actually went DOWN. That seems to be the consensus.

That leaves the lack of healthcare, which is also uhm debatable.

Were people denied healthcare due to lockdowns? Physicians etc can put up whatever rules they wish. Can you even show me a law/lockdown that prevented people from having healthcare?

Collectivism isn't like some evil that is anti-Western. The US could use a bit more to help stay competitive with China. Just because government suggests things doesn't mean you have to be anti.

If we consider what would have happened without any measures, one thing for certain is healthcare would have been MUCH worse for those who caught COVID during that time as healthcare would have been slammed in a way we have never seen.

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Deaths are up 40% according to insurance firms. It was already posted on VCT, but it was ignored.

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As was stated at the beginning of the "pandemic" by many of us here at VCT, the lockdowns caused a huge number of deaths from suicide,drug abuse/alcoholism, and the inability to get health care service for non-Covid-19 health issues - dwarfing the deaths caused by covid-19 itself.

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And the healthcare system would have melted down in a way we didn't begin to see if there has been 0 lockdowns/mask wearing. Granted, it would have been over quicker but really no one knows. "Dwarfing" is exceptionally questionable. Lets look up suicide rates... as I don't think that many people drank themselves to death that quickly nor were there that many ODs.

Actually LOL google suicide rates during pandemic. They actually went DOWN. That seems to be the consensus.

That leaves the lack of healthcare, which is also uhm debatable.

Were people denied healthcare due to lockdowns? Physicians etc can put up whatever rules they wish. Can you even show me a law/lockdown that prevented people from having healthcare?

Collectivism isn't like some evil that is anti-Western. The US could use a bit more to help stay competitive with China. Just because government suggests things doesn't mean you have to be anti.

If we consider what would have happened without any measures, one thing for certain is healthcare would have been MUCH worse for those who caught COVID during that time as healthcare would have been slammed in a way we have never seen.

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Deaths are up 40% according to insurance firms. It was already posted on VCT, but it was ignored.

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This is easy to track down. Some CEO of some insurance company said 40% increase in deaths then all these fake news bloggers/bs artists extrapolated that it was vaccines.

What actually suggests it was vaccines and not covid causing the death increase?

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And the healthcare system would have melted down in a way we didn't begin to see if there has been 0 lockdowns/mask wearing. Granted, it would have been over quicker but really no one knows. "Dwarfing" is exceptionally questionable. Lets look up suicide rates... as I don't think that many people drank themselves to death that quickly nor were there that many ODs.

Actually LOL google suicide rates during pandemic. They actually went DOWN. That seems to be the consensus.

That leaves the lack of healthcare, which is also uhm debatable.

Were people denied healthcare due to lockdowns? Physicians etc can put up whatever rules they wish. Can you even show me a law/lockdown that prevented people from having healthcare?

Collectivism isn't like some evil that is anti-Western. The US could use a bit more to help stay competitive with China. Just because government suggests things doesn't mean you have to be anti.

If we consider what would have happened without any measures, one thing for certain is healthcare would have been MUCH worse for those who caught COVID during that time as healthcare would have been slammed in a way we have never seen.

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Deaths are up 40% according to insurance firms. It was already posted on VCT, but it was ignored.

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This is easy to track down. Some CEO of some insurance company said 40% increase in deaths then all these fake news bloggers/bs artists extrapolated that it was vaccines.

What actually suggests it was vaccines and not covid causing the death increase?

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No one said anything about vaccines causing all the death increases. I just stated the various main causes.

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Deaths are up 40% according to insurance firms. It was already posted on VCT, but it was ignored.

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This is easy to track down. Some CEO of some insurance company said 40% increase in deaths then all these fake news bloggers/bs artists extrapolated that it was vaccines.

What actually suggests it was vaccines and not covid causing the death increase?

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No one said anything about vaccines causing all the death increases. I just stated the various main causes.

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My bad, I did lose track of the argument I was arguing against. So the question should have been "What actually suggests the increase in death can not mostly be attributed to covid directly?"

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This is easy to track down. Some CEO of some insurance company said 40% increase in deaths then all these fake news bloggers/bs artists extrapolated that it was vaccines.

What actually suggests it was vaccines and not covid causing the death increase?

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No one said anything about vaccines causing all the death increases. I just stated the various main causes.

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My bad, I did lose track of the argument I was arguing against. So the question should have been "What actually suggests the increase in death can not mostly be attributed to covid directly?"

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The 40% increase in deaths of the under-40-years-old population year over year. This age segment of the population is at very low risk of dying of covid.

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The 40% increase in deaths of the under-40-years-old population year over year. This age segment of the population is at very low risk of dying of covid.

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You are dealing with accountinquestion who has this same mentality.
Mission146 thinks the same thing.
It's hard to have a discussion with people who think this way...

“They’re a private company, they can do what they want” - every shitlib -

https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/statu...02105760395268

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The 40% increase in deaths of the under-40-years-old population year over year. This age segment of the population is at very low risk of dying of covid.

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You are dealing with accountinquestion who has this same mentality.
Mission146 thinks the same thing.
It's hard to have a discussion with people who think this way...

“They’re a private company, they can do what they want” - every shitlib -

https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/statu...02105760395268

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Marathon Mission is not a Libtard, he's a left leaning Libertarian along with V (Formerly known as BetCheckBet). The opposite of Brand who's a right leaning Libertarian.

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Marathon Mission is not a Libtard, he's a left leaning Libertarian along with V (Formerly known as BetCheckBet). The opposite of Brand who's a right leaning Libertarian.

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That's complicated!
Left Leaning Libertarian = ShitLib

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Marathon Mission is not a Libtard, he's a left leaning Libertarian along with V (Formerly known as BetCheckBet). The opposite of Brand who's a right leaning Libertarian.

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That's complicated!
Left Leaning Libertarian = ShitLib

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He's somewhere in the middle between you and Walter Sobchak :)

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He's somewhere in the middle between you and Walter Sobchak :)

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My bowling average is better.

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No one said anything about vaccines causing all the death increases. I just stated the various main causes.

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My bad, I did lose track of the argument I was arguing against. So the question should have been "What actually suggests the increase in death can not mostly be attributed to covid directly?"

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The 40% increase in deaths of the under-40-years-old population year over year. This age segment of the population is at very low risk of dying of covid.

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lulz @ the cherry-picking.

I don't recall reading the under 40 aspect in the insurance CEO's comments but it is at least a logical argument, even if it isn't really a counter-argument to what we were arguing.

I don't really believe it is true, but I leave it to you to post the under 40 quote.

BTW people under 40 die of covid at a lower rate, but they also die of a lower rate for MOST things, so I don't even think your argument holds even IF the CEO actually said the under 40 part.

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The 40% increase in deaths of the under-40-years-old population year over year. This age segment of the population is at very low risk of dying of covid.

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You are dealing with accountinquestion who has this same mentality.
Mission146 thinks the same thing.
It's hard to have a discussion with people who think this way...

“They’re a private company, they can do what they want” - every shitlib -

https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/statu...02105760395268

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You're an idiot. So what do you think should be done? The government should force Youtube to show anything and everything?

That puts us far closer to China and/or Russia. Russia has mostly state media, China is little better. Fuck that shit.

Look, if you want to watch dumbfuckery videos, then go find the dumbfuck video streaming service. I'm SURE it exists.

If we were invaded all the invaders would need to do is throw down some hotdogs you'd be rolling around on the ground face 2 inches high to slurp em down. Fuck off.

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BTW people under 40 die of covid at a lower rate, but they also die of a lower rate for MOST things, so I don't even think your argument holds even IF the CEO actually said the under 40 part.

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I leave it to you to post the under 40 quote.

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If they die of other things besides covid then you argue against your own statement in red with the statement in green.
Here is the quote you are looking for.
https://www.kusi.com/there-was-an-un...eaths-in-2021/

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I leave it to you to post the under 40 quote.

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If they die of other things besides covid then you argue against your own statement in red with the statement in green.
Here is the quote you are looking for.
https://www.kusi.com/there-was-an-un...eaths-in-2021/

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If people die at a lesser rate, then the impact of fewer dying from COVID will be higher relatively. I don't think I'm arguing against anything I said. You could have a smaller increase in COVID deaths in absolute numbers amongst less than 40 years of age and STILL have 40% increase in deaths. I'm not arguing against my point - just showing how your thinking is faulty.

The website you quoted is some weird website that is like a virtual news channel? I'm not exactly sure what it is. They don't even say who these 3 physicians are. Cancers up 300%? Yea? So where and who are these physicians and where is the data that says cancers are up 300%? That sounds like total bullshit to me. Doctors would see this 300% increase in cancers at the anecdotal level all around. They're not all shilling for the vax industry. That'd be nonsense. People don't go to fucking medical school for 8 years to be a corporate shill. You can believe that, but it just isn't sensible on any level.

Just because mainstream media doesn't report something, doesn't mean they are hiding it. Most of the time it is bullshit. I'd still like to see actual quotes and numbers that seem to come from legitimate sources and not some desperate smalltime media outlet trying to make a go of it.

Regardless I appreciate your sincere effort to argue facts as we see them.

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I leave it to you to post the under 40 quote.

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If they die of other things besides covid then you argue against your own statement in red with the statement in green.
Here is the quote you are looking for.
https://www.kusi.com/there-was-an-un...eaths-in-2021/

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If people die at a lesser rate, then the impact of fewer dying from COVID will be higher relatively. I don't think I'm arguing against anything I said. You could have a smaller increase in COVID deaths in absolute numbers amongst less than 40 years of age and STILL have 40% increase in deaths. I'm not arguing against my point - just showing how your thinking is faulty.

The website you quoted is some weird website that is like a virtual news channel? I'm not exactly sure what it is. They don't even say who these 3 physicians are. Cancers up 300%? Yea? So where and who are these physicians and where is the data that says cancers are up 300%? That sounds like total bullshit to me. Doctors would see this 300% increase in cancers at the anecdotal level all around. They're not all shilling for the vax industry. That'd be nonsense. People don't go to fucking medical school for 8 years to be a corporate shill. You can believe that, but it just isn't sensible on any level.

Just because mainstream media doesn't report something, doesn't mean they are hiding it. Most of the time it is bullshit. I'd still like to see actual quotes and numbers that seem to come from legitimate sources and not some desperate smalltime media outlet trying to make a go of it.

Regardless I appreciate your sincere effort to argue facts as we see them.

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Insurance companies go bankrupt if they don't get their numbers right - period. Covid-19 deaths aren't responsible for most of the jump in the death rate amongst the working age population - you stated this yourself (green). You also stated that there is an increase in death rates among the young (red) - this statement is embedded in your red question. By the way, I suppose the answer to your red question could have been "your green question suggests it".

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Originally Posted by tableplay

If they die of other things besides covid then you argue against your own statement in red with the statement in green.
Here is the quote you are looking for.
https://www.kusi.com/there-was-an-un...eaths-in-2021/

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If people die at a lesser rate, then the impact of fewer dying from COVID will be higher relatively. I don't think I'm arguing against anything I said. You could have a smaller increase in COVID deaths in absolute numbers amongst less than 40 years of age and STILL have 40% increase in deaths. I'm not arguing against my point - just showing how your thinking is faulty.

The website you quoted is some weird website that is like a virtual news channel? I'm not exactly sure what it is. They don't even say who these 3 physicians are. Cancers up 300%? Yea? So where and who are these physicians and where is the data that says cancers are up 300%? That sounds like total bullshit to me. Doctors would see this 300% increase in cancers at the anecdotal level all around. They're not all shilling for the vax industry. That'd be nonsense. People don't go to fucking medical school for 8 years to be a corporate shill. You can believe that, but it just isn't sensible on any level.

Just because mainstream media doesn't report something, doesn't mean they are hiding it. Most of the time it is bullshit. I'd still like to see actual quotes and numbers that seem to come from legitimate sources and not some desperate smalltime media outlet trying to make a go of it.

Regardless I appreciate your sincere effort to argue facts as we see them.

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Insurance companies go bankrupt if they don't get their numbers right - period. Covid-19 deaths aren't responsible for most of the jump in the death rate amongst the working age population - you stated this yourself (green). You also stated that there is an increase in death rates among the young (red) - this statement is embedded in your red question. By the way, I suppose the answer to your red question could have been "your green question suggests it".

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Asking a question about something doesn't mean I'm saying it is true. I could make the sentence more verbose with some sort of disclaimer,, but I don't expect us to be arguing like toddlers.

In red - yes we both agree that there are more deaths. You think the vaccines did it and throw up some incredibly flimsy evidence. I believe COVID is a real thing and it caused these deaths.

When you question medical consensus amongst MDs and researchers (yes, some disagree), the onus of the proof is on you. Me asking about it doesn't absolve you about this because somehow you perceive that I've agreed with what you've said.

It is really simple. Younger people die of covid at a lower rate. This means that EACH covid death will have a LARGER impact on the death-rate. You are ignoring this aspect in your logic.

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Asking a question about something doesn't mean I'm saying it is true.

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In the red question, you state there is an increase in the death rate in working age people - you are then asking if that increase can not mostly be attributed to covid directly.

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Asking a question about something doesn't mean I'm saying it is true.

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In the red question, you state there is an increase in the death rate in working age people - you are then asking if that increase can not mostly be attributed to covid directly.

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I'll assume I'm bad at communicating here because well I am bad at communicating, so let me clarify.

I agree that there is likely an increase in deaths. I just don't see how it can be assigned to the vaccine or other factors. Or I suppose you're saying it can be assigned to everything BUT covid. (well maybe a few exceptions - not sure) You said this is true because so few people under 40 die of covid that it HAS to be covid.

I'm saying that because the death-rate in that age-bracket is so low to begin with, that covid deaths will have an outsized effect on the death-rate overall.

BTW I don't disagree that the lockdowns etc didn't have unintended negative consequences. I don't think wearing a mask is that torturous even if annoying AF. My ancestors went through far more. I think America is basically soft AF.

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You said this is true because so few people under 40 die of covid that it HAS to be covid.

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No I never said it has to be covid - I said since people under 40 are unlikely to die of covid that it (the 40% rise in deaths for this age bracket) must be something else besides covid in most cases. I will not continue this discourse since very plain statements are simply not read, not understood. or forgotten.

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You said this is true because so few people under 40 die of covid that it HAS to be covid.

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No I never said it has to be covid - I said since people under 40 are unlikely to die of covid that it (the 40% rise in deaths for this age bracket) must be something else besides covid in most cases. I will not continue this discourse since very plain statements are simply not read, not understood. or forgotten.

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Uhh, you're the one not understanding. You said it has to not be covid and I was showing how your reasoning is not correct or logical.

40% rise in that bracket + covid killing less in that bracket does NOT mean it has to be something else. Anything increasing the death rate a small amount could show up as 40% because the fact is FEW people under 40 die. Could be COVID, could be vaccine, could be a host of other issues. ODs went up I believe, but that could just as well be prevalence of Fentanyl. We know suicides went down drastically. There is nothing to suggest vaccine contributed to it significantly.

I don't know what the truth is but I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist so I don't go down that rabbithole for every explanation.

Just because we don't know and the government is involved doesn't mean bogeymen are involved.

Wonder if this is true.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...214213/photo/1

Red, did you predict the new lockdowns in China? What happened? I thought they were so much more advanced than us? It looks like their lockdowns just....you know....postponed the inevitable.

And Hong Kong too. WTF? I thought they were on top of the shit over there?

The covid just keeps coming back when the lockdown is over. Proving once again....THAT LOCKDOWNS JUST PUT OFF THE INEVITABLE.

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You said this is true because so few people under 40 die of covid that it HAS to be covid.

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No I never said it has to be covid - I said since people under 40 are unlikely to die of covid that it (the 40% rise in deaths for this age bracket) must be something else besides covid in most cases. I will not continue this discourse since very plain statements are simply not read, not understood. or forgotten.

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I tried to be clearer but I left out a not in there.

You said it has to NOT be Covid, not it has to be Covid. I mistyped and was not saying what I meant.

So feel free to continue on. ;)

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I will not continue this discourse since very plain statements are simply not read, not understood. or forgotten.

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You wose up!!
(Not a typo)
Nicely Done.

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I will not continue this discourse since very plain statements are simply not read, not understood. or forgotten.

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You wose up!!
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Nicely Done.

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Cheers M8.

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I will not continue this discourse since very plain statements are simply not read, not understood. or forgotten.

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You wose up!!
(Not a typo)
Nicely Done.

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Here's a hotdog for you fatboy, so stfu.

It is real easy with you.

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Red, did you predict the new lockdowns in China? What happened? I thought they were so much more advanced than us? It looks like their lockdowns just....you know....postponed the inevitable.

And Hong Kong too. WTF? I thought they were on top of the shit over there?

The covid just keeps coming back when the lockdown is over. Proving once again....THAT LOCKDOWNS JUST PUT OFF THE INEVITABLE.

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Two points:

(1) Mickey did not reference rates of deaths in countries vis-a-vis lockdowns. Note that.
(2) More importantly, the two western countries with the most severe lockdowns, Australia and New Zealand, did not have excess deaths over expectation 2020-2021. Let me repeat that. The two western countries that had the most disciplined lockdowns actually had a NET LOSS in deaths during those two years.

Perhaps the Australians are simply healthier than Americans. Hardier. Able to handle a break in routine without suicides or drug addictions or whatever else people argue are caused by lockdowns. Perhaps the cultures and institutions of Australia and New Zealand are better designed than the United States to handle nation-wide medical stresses without breaking. I leave it to the reader to hypothesize.

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Red, did you predict the new lockdowns in China? What happened? I thought they were so much more advanced than us? It looks like their lockdowns just....you know....postponed the inevitable.

And Hong Kong too. WTF? I thought they were on top of the shit over there?

The covid just keeps coming back when the lockdown is over. Proving once again....THAT LOCKDOWNS JUST PUT OFF THE INEVITABLE.

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Two points:

(1) Mickey did not reference rates of deaths in countries vis-a-vis lockdowns. Note that.
(2) More importantly, the two western countries with the most severe lockdowns, Australia and New Zealand, did not have excess deaths over expectation 2020-2021. Let me repeat that. The two western countries that had the most disciplined lockdowns actually had a NET LOSS in deaths during those two years.

Perhaps the Australians are simply healthier than Americans. Hardier. Able to handle a break in routine without suicides or drug addictions or whatever else people argue are caused by lockdowns. Perhaps the cultures and institutions of Australia and New Zealand are better designed than the United States to handle nation-wide medical stresses without breaking. I leave it to the reader to hypothesize.

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Look dude, reasoned logic backed up with verifiable facts is NOT what we do around here. We want our fake news.

No, we DEMAND fake news.

Cut this shit out, Redietz.

Everyone knows Australia and NZ are ISLANDS. Thus they can't get the drugs their populace want, due to difficulty in smuggling. This means your data is completely faulty.

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Red, did you predict the new lockdowns in China? What happened? I thought they were so much more advanced than us? It looks like their lockdowns just....you know....postponed the inevitable.

And Hong Kong too. WTF? I thought they were on top of the shit over there?

The covid just keeps coming back when the lockdown is over. Proving once again....THAT LOCKDOWNS JUST PUT OFF THE INEVITABLE.

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Two points:

(1) Mickey did not reference rates of deaths in countries vis-a-vis lockdowns. Note that.
(2) More importantly, the two western countries with the most severe lockdowns, Australia and New Zealand, did not have excess deaths over expectation 2020-2021. Let me repeat that. The two western countries that had the most disciplined lockdowns actually had a NET LOSS in deaths during those two years.

Perhaps the Australians are simply healthier than Americans. Hardier. Able to handle a break in routine without suicides or drug addictions or whatever else people argue are caused by lockdowns. Perhaps the cultures and institutions of Australia and New Zealand are better designed than the United States to handle nation-wide medical stresses without breaking. I leave it to the reader to hypothesize.

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Everytime Australia lets their people out of home jail the virus comes back and whacks them. So back to home jail for another year they go. Sp it shouldn't take more than a hundred years or so for them to reach herd immunity.

Australia is now a fascist state. You should move down under comrade redietz. You'll fit right in.