Originally Posted by
kewlJ
Seriously?!? You want to get into Norm and force me to respond? Are you even familiar with Norm Wattenberger and what this was really all about or did you just go searching for someone that had something negative to say about me? I am guessing the latter because you look really stupid and silly in the eyes of any real blackjack players and real members of the blackjack community that are familiar with Norm and know what this is all about.
This quote is a microcosm of Norman. He has feuded with many prominent blackjack players and authors over the years, so I am in good company. :) Norman always thinks everyone is out to get him. Everyone is always committing this crime or that felony against him. He threatens to sue everyone for slander and liable and copyright this and that and every other thing under the sun, including other forum owners. At Gambling Forums, back when myself and mickey and some of the other AP's were there, Norm showed up posting very fittingly as "victim". By the time Victim was finished posting he had threatened to sue several members and the owner of the forum. Very, very typical Norm. If you want to know the truth about Norm, I suggest you ask some real blackjack players, past or present, that were members of his forum. There are even a few here, you could ask. JBJB, want to weigh in on Norm? James, if you are reading? Mickeycrimm even participated at Norm's forum for a bit.
Again, my issues with Norm were really very singular. It was about the guy T3 making claims that defied the math. I felt, and still do and have been very consistent that forum owners or administrators such as Norm or Shackleford, or even Dan Druff here, people that aren't just some guy running a forum, but blackjack and/or gambling math guys, people that know, understand and have made a name for themselves based on the mathematics of gambling, have a responsibility to call out members of their forum making Bullshit claims and or promoting BS and voodoo gambling theories. They are providing the platform, they have that responsibility.
But there is a conflict with these guys, because once they get into running forums there is the issue of traffic generated. And these BS claims and guys draw traffic and views, so the forum owner part of these guys doesn't want to shut it down. In the case of Norms forum this guy making the claims that defied math had 15,000 posts, when no one else on the forum had 4000. So the forum owner (Norm) doesn't want to shut down the leading poster, even though he KNOWS the claims are BS. I believe similar is currently going on at WoV currently with this Mdog. Wizard knows! He even violated the agreement not to say anything once and told everyone exactly what he thought of Mdawg's claims. He had to delete it as per agreement, but he got it out there.
So that is all I have to say about Norm. I am over the Norm feud. My issue was a guy making claims that couldn't be and Norm not doing enough to challenge those claims. Claims by the way that the guy who made them has since admitted were wrong. End of my Norm comments. I hope he is well and somehow happy, although he seems like a guy to me that is never happy.
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Now I will address these ZZ charges. When Blackjackinfo was owned by Ken Smith (I joined in 2006, it shut down in 2011), there was a member that went by Zengrifter. I am sure the blackjack guys know all about Zengrifter. Full disclosure, he went to Fed prison for some kind of white collar crime in which he made millions. I don't know the details of that, but know a lot of people held it against him. So Zengrifter was a very knowledgeable blackjack player. I don't think he ever played professionally, but I don't even know. All I know is I learned some valuable things from him. Things like opposition wagering and spreading both ways which makes a player very hard to track as far as raising bets. Things that I have used here in Vegas that really contributed greatly to my longevity.
Anyway, besides his blackjack knowledge, Zengrifter was quite an odd character. He had unpopular opinions about almost everything under the sun. Rather than clog up the blackjack discussion with all Zengrifter's non-blackjack opinions and thoughts, Ken created a subsection called the Zenzone which Zengrifter was free to share all his weirdness. It would be like if Dan Druff created a subsection for mickeycrimm and his non-AP thoughts or Monet or accountinquestion and their off topic thoughts and opinions. That is what Zenzone was.
When Ken Smith shutdown blackjackinfo in 2011, he either sold or gave the zenzone section to Zengrifter and it became a seperate forum. There was a blackjack section at the zenzone forum, which is the only section I ever participated at. There was a nasty guy, I forget his name that posted anti-semitic rants in some of the other sections, but that had nothing to do with me. But Norm likes to repeatedly say, I was a member of an anti-semetic hate forum. It would be like calling this a racist forum and anyone that participates here a racist because Singer has made some racist rants at times. It is and or was very dishonest of Norm.
But again, don't take my word for it, ask any real blackjack players or players that were members of Norm's forum and ask what they think of him, excluding Shackleford and Don Schlesinger who call Norm a friend.
Now I don't suppose this will change anything. You, coach belly will never stop lying digging things up out of context trying with all your might to discredit me. Your hate has no boundaries.
