Can we have an update on Rob Singer ?
Thanks in advance.
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Can we have an update on Rob Singer ?
Thanks in advance.
Did I miss where Druff sold this forum to you and YOU get to decide who can post and what they can post?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
You post 20 times a day about all kind of shit that I don't give a rats ass about, from Eliot and climate change to twitter and Elon Must. I don't say a word. If it don't interest me, I don't read it and if I do read it and it doesn't interest me, I don't reply. I don't attack you for every damn thing you post. But if you want me to....I will start.
This isn't your forum. No one dies and made you God.
Wow you are just so self-unaware. What is wrong with my jokes?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJDid I miss where Druff sold this forum to you and YOU get to decide who can post and what they can post?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
You post 20 times a day about all kind of shit that I don't give a rats ass about, from Eliot and climate change to twitter and Elon Must. I don't say a word. If it don't interest me, I don't read it and if I do read it and it doesn't interest me, I don't reply. I don't attack you for every damn thing you post. But if you want me to....I will start.
This isn't your forum. No one dies and made you God.
BTW I don't recall ever posting about Elon Musk? What're you going on about?. Yes I post about climate change in the singular thread that has the LV tie-in of talking about Eliot (a well known character). I understand if you don't care about climate stuff - you are like most people. That is why I post it. Given that it is all in one thread - you can easily simply choose to not read or post in it. A difficult concept but think long and hard to actually implement.
I'd bet money you post more than me...
BTW feel free to "attack me".
Ultimately it was nothing but a very snarky response to you posting randomly about mdawg. At least people respond to my climate change bullshit. You should be happy for the attention from me.
[QUOTE=accountinquestion;152048]Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Still crazy after all these years.
Except those "snarly responses are ALL you do. EVERY freaking time I post.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
And my post about Mdawg, just might not be so random. It was owner Dan Druff that started this thread about an incident that happened this past weekend. So just take a look at the timeline:
On Friday, Mdawg posted multiple pictures of his expensive watches. On Saturday, He posted about call girls hitting on him in the hotel lobby. On Sunday a call girl went up to the room with a guy, drugged him and stole his Rolex. The story hit the news Monday. And on Tuesday Mdawg announced his LV trip and all gambling activity had ceased and he was going home after experiencing some losses. Where were those losses? All 7 reports of play on this trip were winning reports (as usual).
Coincidence? Maybe. Lots of high rollers wearing expensive watches draw attention from hookers/thieves, I am sure.
But here is the thing, coincidence or not. These kind of high roller guys are often people like lawyers, doctors or some other public thing where if identified, it would be very damaging to his career and reputation. So what would you expect that person to do, once the story broke in the news? Pack up and high tail it out of town as quickly as possible right? because the problem for such a person (lawyer/doctor/Judge, or other public figure) would not be the robbery, but the story hitting the newpapers.
But like I said, I am sure it is all just a coincidence. :cool:
One other thing for your consideration:
Mdawg was only a week into this current trip. He had posted reports for 7 days of play, all winning days, $19,800, $$6500, $$22,000, $13.700. $5100, $35,000, and $36,000. Adding it up I come up with $138,100 for 7 days play and then he announced that he is no longer interested in gambling any more.
Something caused this fellow to bolt town in a hurry. :D
You're so full of it. I don't reply to anywhere NEAR most of your posts. Just like posting I talk about Elon Musk. I understand other's criticisms of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJExcept those "snarly responses are ALL you do. EVERY freaking time I post.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
And my post about Mdawg, just might not be so random. It was owner Dan Druff that started this thread about an incident that happened this past weekend. So just take a look at the timeline:
On Friday, Mdawg posted multiple pictures of his expensive watches. On Saturday, He posted about call girls hitting on him in the hotel lobby. On Sunday a call girl went up to the room with a guy, drugged him and stole his Rolex. The story hit the news Monday. And on Tuesday Mdawg announced his LV trip and all gambling activity had ceased and he was going home after experiencing some losses. Where were those losses? All 7 reports of play on this trip were winning reports (as usual).
Coincidence? Maybe. Lots of high rollers wearing expensive watches draw attention from hookers/thieves, I am sure.
But here is the thing, coincidence or not. These kind of high roller guys are often people like lawyers, doctors or some other public thing where if identified, it would be very damaging to his career and reputation. So what would you expect that person to do, once the story broke in the news? Pack up and high tail it out of town as quickly as possible right? because the problem for such a person (lawyer/doctor/Judge, or other public figure) would not be the robbery, but the story hitting the newpapers.
But like I said, I am sure it is all just a coincidence. :cool:
I made a joke about wanting to say "fuck your mother" which I suspect multiple posters would find at least a tiny bit funny. You then went off chastising me and making it out to be some big aspect at this forum. So typical. You're such a drama queen. You're the one who blew that up and made it of significance. Just like me telling you to give an update on Singer. (clearly I can't tell you what to do - but it seems reasonable to think you would do it. lol)
Do you not agree that you are a huge drama queen?
Dude, click on your name (handle). Then click on "view Forum posts". Very First page, some of the threads you have posted in are, "eliot Jacobson climate thread", "F* twitter and F* cancel culture" and "Elon Musk" (12/08).Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Apology NOT accepted, not that you would be man enough to make one.
I don't know, but maybe gay guys are closer to their mothers.
But it still makes little sense that KJ has a mother and brother (he taught everything he knows to, including how to surf the internet for blackjack clues and connections) but neither have thus communicated anything about it through even him.
I mean, how to spend hours online a day, but, they never noticed.
What the fuck are you talking about Garnabby? Have we heard from anyone's wife, or GF, or family member? I shouldn't even say that because next thing you know, Mrs Rob Singer will appear (via sock puppet). :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGrimReaper
My brother is well aware of what I do, because we live in the same condo. He thinks I am an idiot for posting on these forums, same way I think he is an idiot for playing video games 6 hours a night. Yet sometimes my brother reads a bit and posts on this very forum on this account. There are actually 3 of us that sometimes post under this name. It is mostly me, but sometimes both the other two post things. And sometimes they post things I would never say. That is always fun. ;)
My mother does not live with us. She lives about 30 minutes away in a 50+ community. I see here once a week or so, try to have lunch if it is not a holiday weekend that I will see her anyway. But no I don't share with her anything that occurs on these forums. Why would I? :confused:
Sometimes....make that usually, you make no damn sense dude.
That twitter stuff was pre-Musk. I did post about Elon, you're right, but it was only in an indirect way (could someone as successful of him possibly have Asperger's). I was curious what I posted so I checked. It was at bottom of page after a page about Elon. In the appropriate forum at that(not LV)Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJDude, click on your name (handle). Then click on "view Forum posts". Very First page, some of the threads you have posted in are, "eliot Jacobson climate thread", "F* twitter and F* cancel culture" and "Elon Musk" (12/08).Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Apology NOT accepted, not that you would be man enough to make one.
I never denied that I didn't post a lot in that climate change thread - I'm the one who keeps it going. BUT guess what !!! You can avoid it because it is all in one thread! Thick skulled bullshitter that you are.
Of course I'm not going to apologize to the biggest phoney fuck on these forums. Just like you're not going to apologize for all the bullshit you've spun in this thread which has far outpaced me. Lol I post 20 times a day. You didn't use your little detective cap captain dipshit to "do the math" off the page you posted ??
If nothing else, your "evidence" shows that I don't spam random threads near as much as you claim I do. I tend to only spam my own threads with bullshit.
What do I know, I was fishing. Just as long you saw something in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You seem to be sitting on a hair trigger, most of the time. And, for someone with so many impromptu students, including your brother, over the years, it's quite surprising that no one ever vouched for any of your similarly impromptu blackjack schemes.
Have to admit, I never saw a Christmas thread go to shit so fast after you jumped the gun. Another non-starter, with, if I recall, the chance of being shot being seven times what it is for the non-owners of guns.
Why would you let other people use your account to post on a forum under your handle? Makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWhat the fuck are you talking about Garnabby? Have we heard from anyone's wife, or GF, or family member? I shouldn't even say that because next thing you know, Mrs Rob Singer will appear (via sock puppet). :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGrimReaper
My brother is well aware of what I do, because we live in the same condo. He thinks I am an idiot for posting on these forums, same way I think he is an idiot for playing video games 6 hours a night. Yet sometimes my brother reads a bit and posts on this very forum on this account. There are actually 3 of us that sometimes post under this name. It is mostly me, but sometimes both the other two post things. And sometimes they post things I would never say. That is always fun. ;)
My mother does not live with us. She lives about 30 minutes away in a 50+ community. I see here once a week or so, try to have lunch if it is not a holiday weekend that I will see her anyway. But no I don't share with her anything that occurs on these forums. Why would I? :confused:
Sometimes....make that usually, you make no damn sense dude.
I really dislike the fact that you could say whatever you wanted and then claim later it wasn't you who said it. Not that you would.
Yes KJ, that's kinda weird.
Can you please give examples of posts under your name made by another family member?
The most recent example was about a week ago when my friend went after monet with about 3 pretty nasty posts after one if Monet's homophobic comments.
I saw them the next day when I logged on and was like "whoa". I understood his sentiment but I wouldn't have been quite so vulgar.
I will have to look to find something that my brother posted. He actually posts more at GF, because he like to comment on Singer. He doesn't even know all Singer's BS, but he seems to know enough to think he is a real twit.
But I stand by anything posted under my handle. Sometimes I laugh and say "wow" is all. ;)
It started a while back. Most nights I am in the living room watching sports and reading forums. My brother and other roommate are in the same room playing video games. So one night my brother said, what is your little group arguing about tonight, Rob Singer? I said how to you know about Singer and he said that he sometimes reads.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Next thing I know, one morning when I got online, I saw something that I had posted the night before, except I hadn't posted it. :D At first I wasn't crazy about the idea, but then I though what the hell, it isn't like there is anything productive happening at these two forums that I participate at anyway. It's all trolling, so what's the difference?
And what if I had told him not to do that, but to make his own account. Then we would have had 2 accounts or handles at the same house on the same wifi. Druff would have thought it was a sock puppet and there would have been a lot of explaining to do, so again, I figure, what difference does it make. Again, it is all trolling anyway at this point.
I don't see any rule about multiple people using the same account. For all I know others are doing the same, sharing with a wife or someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrimReaper
And garnabby, what is the difference of 3 people using one account vs 1 person using 3 (or more) accounts?
But really, if you have a need to discuss this further, start a new thread. This is Druff's thread, and I want to keep it on topic and get to the bottom of this High roller paying a hooker and getting robbed story. :)
[QUOTE=TheGrimReaper;152088]You don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I don't really give a flying fuck if what KJ posts is true or not: I find that his tales seem credible but I am not secure enough in this opinion to dismiss the possibility of prevarication.
His stuff rings truer than that of douchedawg and Singer.
It's all just words on a screen, whoop de fucking do.
And in other news Rob Singer announcing his retirement from professional video poker in 2009 just after Kane and Nestor got busted was mere coincidence. Yeah, right.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Druff, the kewlj account should be suspended for having two sock puppets.
Kewlj doesn't have Sock Puppets on here. .He said he allows his Family to post under his Account. That's not against the rules at all. It's against the rules to have like 5 different Accounts, but not against the rules to let your 2 Brothers post under your Account.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I do remember on another Website, an Admin allowed two Roommates to use the same computer, but the Admin banned BOTH Accounts when one of them made a disgusting post. The Admin was chastised for banning both Accounts when only one Account made the disgusting post. He was like,"I do feel bad that the other Account wmho did nothing wrong was banned too, but since they shared an IP, I had to ban both Accounts despite the other Account doing nothing wrong."
Mickey apparently doesn't understand what a sock puppet is. Tasha is correct, actually. A sock puppet is one person using multiple handles or accounts, not multiple people using one account. As I stated earlier, if I made the other occupants of my home create their own account then it would look to Dan Druff like a sock puppet situation, and one that would be hard for me to disprove. So I just allow them to post on my account on the occasions they post, which is not against the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
As for Mickey's comment about why Rob quit playing VP in 2009, I have no idea. Maybe he was tired of losing. :cool: I will respond by re-posting Dan Druff's opinion, which most of us agree with including some that won't admit it because they love the fantasy that is Rob Singer.
Sadly, at GF today, mickeycrimm not only re-embraced Singer's DU bug claims again, but also now has embraced Rob's most recent claim of hitting a 1.5 million dollar VP jackpot, which Rob claims is the largest VP jackpot ever. Mickey says he knows where that jackpot was hit. So do we.....in Rob's basement. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I asked MC where Rob hit the alleged jackpot; let's just watch the hilarity unfold as he attempts to get out of this one...
Mickeycrimm is far from stupid, especially about anything that has to do with gambling and casino play, so watching him now join and be part of Rob Singer's 20 year troll of the gambling/AP community is just really sad and hard to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
It is like watching Rudy Guliani who lead NYC and helped lead America through some of it's darkest days, and the great respect you have for that and seeing him today or recently with hair dye running down his face spouting complete nonsense.
He never was a professional anything except a professional liar!Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmAnd in other news Rob Singer announcing his retirement from professional video poker in 2009 just after Kane and Nestor got busted was mere coincidence. Yeah, right.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Wow, the kewl-groomer still squealing like a little bitch, amazing, hey hey!!!!
I don't follow the MDawg's threads so I don't know what he posted on watches, prostitutes, leaving town and all that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
But I do know this, it is routine for tewlj to make shit up on the fly to push his false narratives. He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. So I call into question the "facts" tewlj attributed to MDawg's posts.
I don't have time to do it but I bet if I went over to WoV and read MDawg's thread, what MDawg actually wrote, and what tewlj says he wrote, are probably vastly different.
How can you keep up with all the drama? PgDn is my best friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI don't follow the MDawg's threads so I don't know what he posted on watches, prostitutes, leaving town and all that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
But I do know this, it is routine for tewlj to make shit up on the fly to push his false narratives. He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. So I call into question the "facts" tewlj attributed to MDawg's posts.
I don't have time to do it but I bet if I went over to WoV and read MDawg's thread, what MDawg actually wrote, and what tewlj says he wrote, are probably vastly different.
Attempt to get out of what?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Out of telling us.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
There is no NDA; you say you know; so why not disclose the name of the casino so that we who are doubtful can contact the casino to confirm our suspicions?
You see, you'll look like a game playing tease if you choose not to disclose this information.
1st, how would you know you are getting the truth from the casino?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVOut of telling us.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
There is no NDA; you say you know; so why not disclose the name of the casino so that we who are doubtful can contact the casino to confirm our suspicions?
You see, you'll look like a game playing tease if you choose not to disclose this information.
2nd, do you really think that after KJ and his crew gang trolled me relentlessly over for a simple unbiased opinion I gave....that I would actually help them in any way. Fuck 'em.
As with everything in life I'd quickly analyze the situation; who would have more to gain by lying, Rob or a casino?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Let me ask you: how would you know you are getting the truth from Rob?
He just spews shit to keep the pot bubbling; I see it, I think you see it too, you just don't care to admit it.
One thing is for sure. Rob said the casino doesn't want the info out there. So you call them and ask. If they don't want the info out there they are going to say no. Then you'll come back here and say it didn't happen. KJ will pounce on it like a lion on a gazelle. But none of you will really know.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVAs with everything in life I'd quickly analyze the situation; who would have more to gain by lying, Rob or a casino?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Let me ask you: how would you know you are getting the truth from Rob?
He just spews shit to keep the pot bubbling; I see it, I think you see it too, you just don't care to admit it.
And you forgot my next sentence. Do you really think I would help KJ and his crew after they led a vicious troll attack on me? It's not going to happen for ya.
And you actually believes Rob when he said the casino did not want the fact that he won $1.5M to be known?
Bwa ha ha ha
You know better than that Mickey.
But here's a suggestion: you are a ramblin' gamblin' man who travels a lot; why don't YOU visit or failing that, call, the alleged casino and inquire on your own?
Your first question should be "If a patron hit a $1.5M jackpot, would you want to prevent news of it from getting out?"
Your comments about KJ are a red herring, Mickey: this ain't about him, it's about the veracity and the alleged exploits of Rob Singer.
Mickey these comments about "KJ and his crew" are a bunch of baloney. There is no "KJ and his crew". You have joined Singer and Mdawg into now lumping people that disagree with something or challenge something into some sort of posse lead by me. I have had public disagreements with every single person you guys claim are in my "crew". These are just people that independently have questions about some things about Mdawg, Singer and your case, your sudden turn of support for Rob Singer a while back. No one is out to get you, or discredit you about anything else, or even dislikes you (not sure I speak for MaxPen of how real the name calling between you and he is). So really just stop with the "KJ and his crew" nonsense.
As far as the supposed casino involved with this latest Rob Singer claim of a million and a half dollar VP jackpot, regardless of all the name calling and silly explanations Rob comes up with, and he just posted another long silly explanation, in regards to mickey's comments here, but regardless of all Rob's nonsense about the casino wanting to keep this quiet and someone is or has been fired over this, this is just not how things work. If some high level person had the authority to negotiate some special terms, circumstances, or machine, then they have that authority. They are not going to be fired because a player happens to win one of those situations. That is what gambling is.
Let's take it to a very simple situation. A guy shows up wanting to bet 100k on a single spin of roulette, which has happened a number of times. So it goes up the chain until someone has the authority to ok that wager. You think someone is going to get fired because the ball happened to land on black and the casino lost 100k (despite having an advantage). Again, that is what gambling is. The house gambles too, they just happen to have the advantage in most cases.
As I stated earlier on one of these forums, the casino wants that publicity any time there is a big hit, because that publicity brings that money back several times over. Casinos would pay for that kind of publicity is they could, so Robs silly excuse that the casino doesn't want this known is just not how things work. These guys like Rob and Mdawg start out with claims that defy math and eventually up it to claims that defy the way the industry even works.
There was no casino nor any $1.5m UX jackpot. Only a crackhead would buy such bullshit!
I link this forum to GF because there is a lot of cross discussions and cross membership. The only real cases of ganging up on someone has been 1) Tasha. 2) Alan Mendelson/Andrew and most of that was in fun or on the light side and 3) myself and most of that isn't even really about my gambling/BJ, it is rooted in homophobic hate.
Mdawg first came to this forum, but quickly left when he couldn't get the kind of protection, he receives at WoV and moved on to GF. I guess he found what he was looking for there. Rob Singer left here, for GF seeking more support as well. Rob first tried to team with Moses who had been attacking me for years and after Moses passed away, he has now teamed with Mdawg, in sprewing a lot of hate, most having nothing to do with gambling.
Mdawg just happens to be someone that Rob himself almost immediately called out as a fraud, several years ago, complete with Rob's should be patented "California flake" and all the usual Rob slams. Eventually Rob decided "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality with Mdawg.
With Moses, well the timing was bad for Rob as Moses up and died on him. But it must have driven a stake though Rob when in one of Moses's final posts he wrote:
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Originally Posted by Tater, post: 145263, member: 4004
I know instances where book managers or assistant managers were fired by casinos because they allowed certain futures for certain odds for certain amounts. In no instance -- zero -- were the players ever bound by some legal nonsense, NDA, contract, or whatever, to not report the play in question, where and when it occurred, or how much it won. In no instance.
And, as happens frequently with futures, how much one could bet at what odds was a negotiation. As any large futures wagers tend to be.
So what Rob is trying to argue is that his video poker negotiations put him in some special category requiring an NDA or some such. As if the casino worries much more about video poker players than sports bettors. LOL.
The final stake in driving Rob from this forum was the meet up with Dan Druff to verify this supposed win, that never occurred, and Rob now tells a very altered story of events about. Hey I wonder if Dan Druff is part of the KJ crew since he has in no uncertain terms, challenged Rob's claims on numerous occasions.
Anyway, because that meetup was scheduled for GVR, where Rob claimed to be staying, I was under the impression that is where this magical-mystical play took place. Why else would Dan Druff need to go there? Wouldn't you just make arrangements to meet at the casino in question? I mean what was Rob going to blindfold Druff and drive him to this top secret location that no one can know about?
This all has shades of some of Rob's other claims of top secret government (James Bond type) work and top secret this or that. Like a top-secret Twilight zone world.
Put a dick in your mouth and Shut the Fuck up Faggot.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Pass the crackpipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
It's not about the "alleged exploits of Rob Singer." It's about how Singer owns you guys. You can't get him out of your heads. Your every waking hour is spent waiting on him to post.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
And you've obviously mistaken me for someone who cares whether Rob hit the jackpot or not. I don't. So you guys do me a favor and quit trying to get me to do shit for you. Do it yourselves.
You shut the fuck up you fat disgusting pig! Shove some more greasy fast food in you big mouth so you die even sooner. Can you imagine that this complete piece of shit is so fat he probably can't even reach to wipe his own ass. What a fucking waste of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
At least he's not tree fitty !
I'm trying though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
Can't seem to get over 260 for some reason.
Sucks.
Were that the case, why then did you post that he told you the name of the casino?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Why would he tell you of all people when you don't give a shit, and if you don't care, why not tell those us who are mildly interested in unmasking Rob once again?
Mildly interested? C'mon, dude. You can do better than that. You, KJ and his crew, are all chomping at the bit to know which casino. You are slobbering all over yourselves. But you won't get it from me. Fuck you idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVWere that the case, why then did you post that he told you the name of the casino?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Why would he tell you of all people when you don't give a shit, and if you don't care, why not tell those us who are mildly interested in unmasking Rob once again?
LOL. I already know what casino it was, also, just like Mickey "The Truth" Crimm. See, two can play at this idiocy.
P.S. MrV, if you're wondering, it was The Tangiers. People say there's no such place, but I have a coin cup proving otherwise.
P.S.S. No, seriously, I know which casino it was. They leaked Rob's win to me. But they also said he blew 1.45 of the 1.5 mil in the last three months. He got great comps, though. Of course, I'm sworn to not give the casino name publicly. They said something like, "We'd be embarrassed he won it. Plus he'd be embarrassed that he lost it back." They said if I didn't believe them, just ask for a copy of his tax return.
I said that I didn't think Mickey would make a wager with me based on Rob's tax return so people would just have to decide who was telling the truth, me or "The Truth."
Double P.S.S. Nobody believes Rob, obviously. Which means nobody believes Mickey. It's a shame when a polyglot like Mickey, winning at machines, poker, and various sports, makes the "Not Likely to be Believed" roster of alleged APs. Damned shame. I hear Mickey still kills it at The Tangiers, however.
Had to google that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
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Did you mean: Double P.A.S.S.
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Some guy who drives from one shithole casino, to the next, in search of quarters people let in slot machines. The open secret to becoming a legend in one's own head. I'd write, mind, but, seriously ... .Quote:
Nobody believes Rob, obviously. Which means nobody believes Mickey. It's a shame when a polyglot like Mickey, winning at machines, poker, and various sports, makes the "Not Likely to be Believed" roster of alleged APs.
P.S. Merry Christmas, Red. Hope you're not offended by that. Ha.
Your scales are broken?Quote:
Originally Posted by monetI'm trying though. Can't seem to get over 260 for some reason. Sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lU875R4aL8Quote:
Scales have a limited weight capacity, with most standard scales having a maximum weight of 300 pounds. However, older models tend to be less accurate for people who weigh over 250 pounds.
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Originally Posted by redietz
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Originally Posted by redietz
Your jealousy shows. Mickey is lol .. fairly pathetic making his signature over me. Knock yourself out Mickey BUT as far as Redietz?.... Sooo jealous that APs beat sports when the situation is right. You want so hard to believe your handicapping crap. Outside of his lover of Singer, pretty sure people believe Mickey over any claims you've made.
I'd say that Mickey believing Singer isn't near as absurd as you thinking all these APs haven't been able to beat sports like they claim. No one here claiming to be a handicapper except you. Sure they have picks.. but not sure anyone has claimed to be some great handicapper. If you can't figure out what people say makes sense in whatever situation they found themselves in as AP+sportsbettors then that is your malfunction. You need to believe this for your own sake as you've pumped up yourself in your own mind and it shows.
Maybe that is part of your sarcasm?
Seriously bro, when you have barnaby on your side I'd go seriously reconsider my positions.
Mickey's big problem is once he achieves man-love for someone he doesn't let up. Whether Singer or Trump. That's just how his brain works. Who cares if he believes Singer. That shit has been rehashed repeatedly.
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Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Idiopathic sudden sensorineural hearing loss.
Subterranean Homeboy Blues (Law & Order episode).
https://anagram-solver.net/%20Seriou....?partial=true
"Suberranean Homeboy" went from shitting all over himself, to finally flushing himself down the VCT toilet. I mean, I didn't say anything about it, until now. Looks like he has/had me on "ignore", again, and, so, was winging it, like Crimm, running fantasies in their heads. Thus seeking some truly weird angle.
Anyway, he's again thus inadvertently become the Reaper's "little helper", as with my post-37. Just look at where the homeboy link leads, and, then, look at the next entry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_%2...(season_1)#ep2
I wonder that he's on tilt, or something. Not that long ago, he was trying to figure out how to get a line of credit from a casino.
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43 ----------------> 43 = (1 + 42) ---> 1/42.
Double P.S. The reversed time of the Springfield song, in my last post.
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post152285
37 is sort of the opposite of 42, to do with the electromagnetic fine-structure constants in the alternate forms of our universe. We live in the corrupt form.
Similarly, 42 = (10*4 + 2) ---> 142
Well, it comes down to this, basically, regarding the Leonardo da AP narrative.
1) What's more likely, (A1) that experts in particular sports have managed to win, grinding and battling each season or (A2) a population of self-proclaimed APs have managed to solve "sports betting" -- across all or most sports -- based on angles and principles and shopping?
2) That (B1) experts in particular sports can anticipate line moves based on their experience with the public, their experience with where most money will come from, and their experience with interpreting media coverage so as to provide the occasional arbitrage opportunity or consistent middle shots or (B2) APs can arbitrage most sports most of the time?
3) That (C1) line moves are erratic, based as often on media coverage, how the public interprets information, and vulnerable to zig-zagging by someone like Billy Walters or (C2) taking advantage of "slow" or "weak" lines is something APs can do on a regular basis?
4) That (D1) winning handicappers are specialists, focusing on particular sports where they have massive experience and intimate knowledge or (D2) winning handicappers are APs using their generalized approach to conquer all sports?
5) That (E1) winning handicappers are few and far between and have lifetimes of records backing them up or (E2) APs can be winning handicappers with some insight and application of their ideas as to what comprises an edge, but have no public records of such edges?
What's more likely, really, that many APs are jacks of all trades, conquering the betting world from every direction or that they are overestimating their abilities because they prefer to think of themselves as conquering polymaths?
One would expect the APs to be dominating all of the handicapping competitions. But they do not.
I leave the reader to draw his or her own conclusions.
Why does everything always circle back to handicapping contests with Redeitz?
Diversify.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Not a problem...what a big player you are, in the money 40+ years...right?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Do you own that home on Forrest Gump Lane?
You wrote about other handicappers living there.
2BR 2BA....how many human roommates do you have?...you never did say.
Ok, first, I am trying to figure out the proper protocol here. Am I supposed to come to redietz's aid and back him up because he is part of my "crew" or "posse"? :confused: So happens this is one of several re-occurring things redietz brings up that I don't agree with. I think advantage play can be applied and incorporated into being part of winning sports betting strategy or play. The other re-occurring thing that he brings up is the anonymity of AP's. When I agree with someone, I say so. When I disagree, I say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I hope this proves to mickeycrimm, one and for all (doubt it will though) that there are no, teams, or crews or posse's. There are just members that agree or disagree on certain subjects, and the majority of people don't believe Singer or any of his many, many silly claims now. No crews. No posse's. Just reasonable people reaching the reasonable conclusion.
Now to what I quoted above. Wrong AiQ. Mickey believing Singer is more absurd that almost anything else, because it is NOT true. Mickey doesn't believe Singer. He just made a deal with him and now is playing games. Mickey has all but announced that he is just playing games.
You originated the "crew" conspiracy among members here...now you disavow all that?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Fine...let's keep that in mind for future reference.
Here's another crossed-wires complaint you recently made....
You have got to be kidding with that bullshit...have you no shame?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
It all comes down to weak lines. You have to find a source of what is equivalent to handicapping. You have to be able to do the math to figure out it is +EV. There are oodles of ways to fall within this. Doesn't matter what people tell you, your whole sense of self is tied into being some handicapper and you think that is the only way to beat sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It is funny how you make up shit to disagree with it. Who has said APs are "conquering the betting world from every direction"? Sure, but not some singular AP. Even positive handicappers fall under AP umbrella which makes your whole argument stupid.
You're such a fool if you think you'd know all secondary business of people in "handicapping competitions".
I'm pretty sure everyone here have described these situations as opportunities.
Perhaps the only reason you're so into these fucking contests is because you can beat them. If you had to beat juice I have a solid feeling you'd be/been a loser. This is why you're so quick to dismiss all the talk of prices and finding positive spots.
Not only that, but the market is going to be far less efficient because the house has no real interest in the outcome. You're playing against a bunch of amateurs. Oh you beat it huh? You should have cleaned up on fantasy sports like a lot of other APs did........... but you didn't ... we'll let the reader draw his or her own conclusions.
Actually maybe you are an AP because you only play contests. lol
See above for my theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
No, have YOU no shame, cockroach? You just posted a quote from another forum, without acknowledging it was from another forum, making it look as if it from here. That is as dishonest as dishonest can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I am aware of the rules here, that unless you say something about the money-grubbing, big nosed Jews or that Todd/Dan Druff is a big nosed, money-grubbing Jew, that there are no limits to the bigotry and homophobic hate that is allowed. So no, that post is not from this forum.
What difference does that make?...still your words that you posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You quote posts from WOV all the time.
Nothing to do with bigotry or homophobia...simmer down now.
BTW...you have often insulted me with homophobic rhetoric...what's up with that?
It makes a big difference. If you are posting a quote from another forum, you should disclaim that it is from another forum. When I post a quote from WoV, I state it is from WoV.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyWhat difference does that make?...still your words that you posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You quote posts from WOV all the time.
Nothing to do with bigotry or homophobia...simmer down now.
BTW...you have often insulted me with homophobic rhetoric...what's up with that?
What difference does it make? For one thing, it might not even be the same person. Can you prove it is? Suppose I quote a coach belly from the KKK/nigger hating forum and don't disclose that it is from a different forum and may not even be the same person. Is that ok?
And just to be clear, my comments about Druff are not anti-sematic. I have no issues with Jews. Most are a little too hairy for my liking but at least they are circumcised and don't look like some snuffleupagus. I am just pointing out that there is no line until it hits home with Todd/dan Druff, then all the sudden you have crossed the line. But if the hate is directed at someone else...that is fine.
I don't agree that I should disclaim, unless the quote is disputed.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I'll provide a link if requested, the readers can decide.
As far as who is posting as kewlj, I don't have to prove it's the same person.
I'll provide a link if requested, the readers can decide.
Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionIt all comes down to weak lines. You have to find a source of what is equivalent to handicapping. You have to be able to do the math to figure out it is +EV. There are oodles of ways to fall within this. Doesn't matter what people tell you, your whole sense of self is tied into being some handicapper and you think that is the only way to beat sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It is funny how you make up shit to disagree with it. Who has said APs are "conquering the betting world from every direction"? Sure, but not some singular AP. Even positive handicappers fall under AP umbrella which makes your whole argument stupid.
You're such a fool if you think you'd know all secondary business of people in "handicapping competitions".
I'm pretty sure everyone here have described these situations as opportunities.
Perhaps the only reason you're so into these fucking contests is because you can beat them. If you had to beat juice I have a solid feeling you'd be/been a loser. This is why you're so quick to dismiss all the talk of prices and finding positive spots.
Not only that, but the market is going to be far less efficient because the house has no real interest in the outcome. You're playing against a bunch of amateurs. Oh you beat it huh? You should have cleaned up on fantasy sports like a lot of other APs did........... but you didn't ... we'll let the reader draw his or her own conclusions.
Actually maybe you are an AP because you only play contests. lol
Frankly, if you're calling the people who cleaned up on fantasy sports in its early days "APs," that's quite a confession. They were employees of the companies cross-swapping inside information to bypass their own company's restrictions, basically ripping off the general public. I'd call them crooks. But if you call them APs, more power to you and the "APs."
So I guess "APs" and "crooks" are interchangeable labels.
The reason that fantasy sports offer so many single entry contests these days is that they were forced to as a way to avoid criminal prosecution for the way they had been run. They had lost lawsuits detailing how the rampant "insider trading" was ripping off the public. I believe both the NYTimes and Philly Inquirer wrote exposes.
You still don't get it, do you? Someone like Billy Walters can create a "weak line" in your mind simply by betting a particular game at a particular time. You have zero idea who likes that side or why the line has moved. You have only speculation. He may be moving a line to zigzag the game the other way, and what you see as a weak line is a location smart enough to not move the line when Walters moved it elsewhere with the intention of zigzagging. He used to do that routinely on games where small amounts of money had maximum effect, like midweek MAC games. You're looking at a checkerboard while he's playing chess.
I bow to the AP polymaths. It's amazing the books stay in business with so many "sharps." And yes, Sheldon, that was sarcasm.
I've won quite a bit at keno and blackjack too. And also won a lot from a myriad of promotions, most all of them configured differently. The math had to be worked out differently for most of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
What DimwitDitz doesn't get is gambling math is gambling math. It's doesn't matter what the game is. If you are skilled at gambling math you have the ability to analyze every casino game to find edges.
It's obviously a skill Ditz doesn't have so he has to lash out....bitch and moan.
So tell us why the books won't take the half-point parley cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionIt all comes down to weak lines. You have to find a source of what is equivalent to handicapping. You have to be able to do the math to figure out it is +EV. There are oodles of ways to fall within this. Doesn't matter what people tell you, your whole sense of self is tied into being some handicapper and you think that is the only way to beat sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It is funny how you make up shit to disagree with it. Who has said APs are "conquering the betting world from every direction"? Sure, but not some singular AP. Even positive handicappers fall under AP umbrella which makes your whole argument stupid.
You're such a fool if you think you'd know all secondary business of people in "handicapping competitions".
I'm pretty sure everyone here have described these situations as opportunities.
Perhaps the only reason you're so into these fucking contests is because you can beat them. If you had to beat juice I have a solid feeling you'd be/been a loser. This is why you're so quick to dismiss all the talk of prices and finding positive spots.
Not only that, but the market is going to be far less efficient because the house has no real interest in the outcome. You're playing against a bunch of amateurs. Oh you beat it huh? You should have cleaned up on fantasy sports like a lot of other APs did........... but you didn't ... we'll let the reader draw his or her own conclusions.
Actually maybe you are an AP because you only play contests. lol
Frankly, if you're calling the people who cleaned up on fantasy sports in its early days "APs," that's quite a confession. They were employees of the companies cross-swapping inside information to bypass their own company's restrictions, basically ripping off the general public. I'd call them crooks. But if you call them APs, more power to you and the "APs."
So I guess "APs" and "crooks" are interchangeable labels.
The reason that fantasy sports offer so many single entry contests these days is that they were forced to as a way to avoid criminal prosecution for the way they had been run. They had lost lawsuits detailing how the rampant "insider trading" was ripping off the public. I believe both the NYTimes and Philly Inquirer wrote exposes.
You still don't get it, do you? Someone like Billy Walters can create a "weak line" in your mind simply by betting a particular game at a particular time. You have zero idea who likes that side or why the line has moved. You have only speculation. He may be moving a line to zigzag the game the other way, and what you see as a weak line is a location smart enough to not move the line when Walters moved it elsewhere with the intention of zigzagging. He used to do that routinely on games where small amounts of money had maximum effect, like midweek MAC games. You're looking at a checkerboard while he's playing chess.
I bow to the AP polymaths. It's amazing the books stay in business with so many "sharps." And yes, Sheldon, that was sarcasm.
And why they won't take a baseball parley that has all dogs.
Remember, according to you math doesn't count in sportsbetting.
Exactly. Bingo. 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetDiversify.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
A-fucking-menQuote:
Originally Posted by mcap
Fuck, quit yapping about Billy Walters, you or none of us are Billy Walters. None of us can do what he was doing so why talk about it? Didn't his chess land him in Jail or something like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionIt all comes down to weak lines. You have to find a source of what is equivalent to handicapping. You have to be able to do the math to figure out it is +EV. There are oodles of ways to fall within this. Doesn't matter what people tell you, your whole sense of self is tied into being some handicapper and you think that is the only way to beat sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It is funny how you make up shit to disagree with it. Who has said APs are "conquering the betting world from every direction"? Sure, but not some singular AP. Even positive handicappers fall under AP umbrella which makes your whole argument stupid.
You're such a fool if you think you'd know all secondary business of people in "handicapping competitions".
I'm pretty sure everyone here have described these situations as opportunities.
Perhaps the only reason you're so into these fucking contests is because you can beat them. If you had to beat juice I have a solid feeling you'd be/been a loser. This is why you're so quick to dismiss all the talk of prices and finding positive spots.
Not only that, but the market is going to be far less efficient because the house has no real interest in the outcome. You're playing against a bunch of amateurs. Oh you beat it huh? You should have cleaned up on fantasy sports like a lot of other APs did........... but you didn't ... we'll let the reader draw his or her own conclusions.
Actually maybe you are an AP because you only play contests. lol
Frankly, if you're calling the people who cleaned up on fantasy sports in its early days "APs," that's quite a confession. They were employees of the companies cross-swapping inside information to bypass their own company's restrictions, basically ripping off the general public. I'd call them crooks. But if you call them APs, more power to you and the "APs."
So I guess "APs" and "crooks" are interchangeable labels.
The reason that fantasy sports offer so many single entry contests these days is that they were forced to as a way to avoid criminal prosecution for the way they had been run. They had lost lawsuits detailing how the rampant "insider trading" was ripping off the public. I believe both the NYTimes and Philly Inquirer wrote exposes.
You still don't get it, do you? Someone like Billy Walters can create a "weak line" in your mind simply by betting a particular game at a particular time. You have zero idea who likes that side or why the line has moved. You have only speculation. He may be moving a line to zigzag the game the other way, and what you see as a weak line is a location smart enough to not move the line when Walters moved it elsewhere with the intention of zigzagging. He used to do that routinely on games where small amounts of money had maximum effect, like midweek MAC games. You're looking at a checkerboard while he's playing chess.
I bow to the AP polymaths. It's amazing the books stay in business with so many "sharps." And yes, Sheldon, that was sarcasm.
Math is all that fucking matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSo tell us why the books won't take the half-point parley cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Frankly, if you're calling the people who cleaned up on fantasy sports in its early days "APs," that's quite a confession. They were employees of the companies cross-swapping inside information to bypass their own company's restrictions, basically ripping off the general public. I'd call them crooks. But if you call them APs, more power to you and the "APs."
So I guess "APs" and "crooks" are interchangeable labels.
The reason that fantasy sports offer so many single entry contests these days is that they were forced to as a way to avoid criminal prosecution for the way they had been run. They had lost lawsuits detailing how the rampant "insider trading" was ripping off the public. I believe both the NYTimes and Philly Inquirer wrote exposes.
You still don't get it, do you? Someone like Billy Walters can create a "weak line" in your mind simply by betting a particular game at a particular time. You have zero idea who likes that side or why the line has moved. You have only speculation. He may be moving a line to zigzag the game the other way, and what you see as a weak line is a location smart enough to not move the line when Walters moved it elsewhere with the intention of zigzagging. He used to do that routinely on games where small amounts of money had maximum effect, like midweek MAC games. You're looking at a checkerboard while he's playing chess.
I bow to the AP polymaths. It's amazing the books stay in business with so many "sharps." And yes, Sheldon, that was sarcasm.
And why they won't take a baseball parley that has all dogs.
Remember, according to you math doesn't count in sportsbetting.
Unless you have math to back up whatever you're doing... The ONLY records that count are doing what Dan and some others do...you post up your picks and the line you're taking before the game.
Anything else is unreliable. It wouldn't be hard for someone to make it seem as if they were a winning handycrapper.
Frankly you're trying to change around the discussion. There are plenty of people who did quite well at fantasy sports AFAIK. I'm fairly comfortable in guessing they far outweighed the "insider trading" stuff going on but hey if you can't win an argument just start switching stuff around. Thats the ditz method.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionIt all comes down to weak lines. You have to find a source of what is equivalent to handicapping. You have to be able to do the math to figure out it is +EV. There are oodles of ways to fall within this. Doesn't matter what people tell you, your whole sense of self is tied into being some handicapper and you think that is the only way to beat sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It is funny how you make up shit to disagree with it. Who has said APs are "conquering the betting world from every direction"? Sure, but not some singular AP. Even positive handicappers fall under AP umbrella which makes your whole argument stupid.
You're such a fool if you think you'd know all secondary business of people in "handicapping competitions".
I'm pretty sure everyone here have described these situations as opportunities.
Perhaps the only reason you're so into these fucking contests is because you can beat them. If you had to beat juice I have a solid feeling you'd be/been a loser. This is why you're so quick to dismiss all the talk of prices and finding positive spots.
Not only that, but the market is going to be far less efficient because the house has no real interest in the outcome. You're playing against a bunch of amateurs. Oh you beat it huh? You should have cleaned up on fantasy sports like a lot of other APs did........... but you didn't ... we'll let the reader draw his or her own conclusions.
Actually maybe you are an AP because you only play contests. lol
Frankly, if you're calling the people who cleaned up on fantasy sports in its early days "APs," that's quite a confession. They were employees of the companies cross-swapping inside information to bypass their own company's restrictions, basically ripping off the general public. I'd call them crooks. But if you call them APs, more power to you and the "APs."
So I guess "APs" and "crooks" are interchangeable labels.
The question remains, why didn't Dietz go off into the world of fantasy sports??
Sure an AP can be a crook and a crook can be an AP. Great point ditz.
When a bunch of guys who don't particularly like each other line up to clown on you - THAT should tell you something.
Billy was convicted and imprisoned for profiting from insider trading, making $32M profit while avoiding $11M in losses.
He's out now: Trump commuted his sentence.
I think you guys are coming down a bit hard on redietz. So he brags a little and tells us about the contests he is doing well in with nary a mention of the contests that he is in 694th place and was out after 2 weeks. Don't you machine players post up pictures of your big winning hands, but don't talk much about losing sessions. I don't remember anyone other than myself, saying something like I was playing this game with an advantage but just didn't win....in the case of a machine, maybe just didn't hit that bigger jackpot that really makes the play a winner (despite the game being +EV at that time).
You know my saying. It doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about. At least to me, Redietz has easily cleared that bar.
Here is another thing I learned from redietz: Sports better don't have to be guys that pick and bet specific games, hitting 55, 57% to make a profit as I always thought. Nor do they have to be scammers, selling their picks to both sides. (IF you are really picking winners, why would these cats be selling them?). The contest circuit that redietz seems to specialize in, is something I never even considered and frankly, moves him a little closer to the AP label, which he has always resisted. :cool:
I just don't get what it is that is bothering some of you guys? Did he claim to hit anything for millions of dollars (several different claims) that can't be verified? Did he claim to buy a million and a half dollar RV or home? Or to have bought homes for his kids that there is no record of? Did he steal some story from the news of someone winning a million dollar contest and say that was him?
None of that, he tells you exactly where he lives, in a modest house in East Bubblefuck, Tenn. And he shares some of his experiences winning or doing well in contests. Big deal. So what is the issue?
No one is saying he can't beat baseball handicapping contests in the long run but no one cares either.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Lots of people on here have interests outside of machines in the gambling world.
If you can't see his arrogance then I'm not sure what to tell you. His constant doubt of claims that aren't anywhere near unbelievable to begin with. His self-promoting. He tends to avoid questions he can't answer.
He consistently twists everything people say into some strawman.
If he is the contest specialist like he claims and you believe, then the question remains - why didn't he clean up fantasy sports when it was ripe? He then comes up with something unrelated which is yet another strawman. Pathetic.
I used to find him ok but either he has gotten worse or I have come to notice his broken record approach.
If he wants to be respected he should likely just stick to other forums where people are nicer :)
Can you give me an example of his "constantly" doubting claims that aren't anywhere near unbelievable? Most of the claims he doubts are by Singer and Mdawg and as far as I am concerned, almost all claims by these two have been way more than proven unbelievable. To the point that if one of them says the sky is blue, it probably isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I think there are two things that come into play here with this sudden attacking of Redietz. One is his recent statements that math can't be a part of winning sports betting. As I have said, I think he is wrong on that. I attribute that to he is an old school sports handicapper, looking at everything from player matchups to strength of schedule to any info he can find in determining his picks and less about math. He is going by what has worked for him. Whatever the reasoning...he is wrong. :) Big deal.
The second thing going on and it is a much bigger thing is that some here have decided they don't like him because of things that have nothing to do with gambling or his sports betting picks or history. Redietz is a liberal on two forums here and GF, dominated by conservatives, including some far right conspiracy theory "dudes". Now I know I am talking to the wrong person, because you are not one of those, but these guys, break it down to teams regarding politics, or lifestyle or any number of other damn things that they don't like and agree with and then they demonize everything about that person. It happens with me every day and I see that with redietz as well. They dont like his politics so they set out to demonize him on everything, including his sports betting history. Imagine if I started finding mickeycrimm not credible concerning gambling topics, simply because his political views are extreme.
As I said I just don't see anything that warrants the attack redietz is under. As a matter of fact, in addition to that he has revealed exactly who he is right down to where he lives in East Bubblefuck (<- :D), (I only wish he understood why other AP's cant do that), redietz also tells anyone that questions his claims of 3rd place here, or 4th place in this contest, exactly where they can go to see that for themselves. I have never bothered to, but anyone that wants to can.
Now again, is he leaving out the contests that he isn't doing too well in? I am quite sure he is. Again, just like many AP's that share when they hit a big win, but say nothing when they don't. That is why I have tried to share both winning and losing.
So again, I just don't see what the problem is?
Flat out question: Do you accountinQuestion, not believe redietz has made a living doing what he claims, playing all these contests and placing some "future type wagers" that he can then hedge on later? (you can also hedge on the contests). If he has not met that bar for you, I guess that is your call, but I don't believe that is the case with most of these guys. Singer has labeled redietz, "weird" and "a Martian" because of things completely unrelated to anything redietz claims and these other guys are feeding off that nonsense.
I figure Redietz has likely won more than he lost in these contests. TBH I don't know anything about contests but seems like a huge amount of variance unless you're able to do multiple entries. TBH I don't really give a shit. Outside of bj counting I can't think of a gambling out that I am less interested in unless I have a solid source of picks. I don't even have a way to place sports bets at the moment if I did. I just don't do sports, I just do math.
He continually doubts anyone who says they beat sports in whatever small context they give. Then he goes into lecture mode which just further shows his ignorance. Anyway, I don't care to debate this I just find Redietz annoying. Go look at those 2 threads he created aimed at me. I don't recall what they were about but he thought he was going to school me/whomever in sports betting. If he does what he says, then his stuff is far more complicated than I have any interest in. He isn't sharp enough to know what he doesn't know.
Being a serious handicapper is a very iffy proposition and would take a ton of study. Good for him if he does it but most APs have absolutely no interest in it. I always kinda enjoyed his 'back in the day' type stories but the problem is he just can't accept people beat sports betting without knowing shit about the sport, myself included. I went through a sports betting phase a few years ago but it was only because the book gave juice free bets under certain circumstances. So at that point you just need an accurate line you can trust and go through picking anything with a small edge if you can get the juice free bets. Weak lines would be when the book has lines far off whatever you are using as your prediction. That means more EV per bet but in Redietz's world it is worth making fun over because he doesn't really seem to even grasp the concept. Kinda crazy.
He ridiculed me for using the word weak in reference to lines. Or his lecturing about using the word sharp. Go read his fucking threads. Any real AP/sharp person would never blink at the use of either terms as far as I know, but Redietz can't help but demonstrate his clueless when someone uses these words in a discussion with him.
... I need to find something else to waste my life on.... lol having a discussion about redietz. Noose me now.
Ok, let me try to explain my feeling, in a different context and then you can have the final say, if you like, if not that is fine too.
Not here or at GF, because there are few real BJ players, but on some of the blackjack forums I used to participate on quite a bit, there were some older players, some well known, well respected. Some of these guys would advise newer players not to even bother trying to win at blackjack with current conditions, that it just can't be done. They are obviously wrong, because I have been doing it for 20 years and not just me, there are a couple dozen players that started about when I started, in the early/mid 2000's with surprisingly similar stories. Some of them aren't still playing blackjack as they have gone on to things with bigger edges, but they made a living and good money for years card counting....the very thing that these older generation players said can't be done.
These older guys are just expressing an opinion because they are frustrated with these new conditions. It isn't how they used to be able play, sitting down and playing all without escaping some of the negative counts and table and casino hopping, so they don't like it. They are old school and things have changed from the old school way they played the game. They don't like it and perhaps are having a hard time accepting it.
I see some of that same thing in redietz. He is an old school handicapper. In his day, handicapping was about information, matchups of players. There were no people exploiting the math and promotions that make that math work, because there weren't all these online casinos and all these promotions. In his day a sports handicapper won by picking winners the old fashion way. I just don't think he appreciates that times have changed and a player can win by doing things like you just said and Axelwolf has also said, really knowing nothing about the teams or sport, just using math and promotions that make the math +EV.
I don't think that makes him a bad guy. It just makes him old school. He knows what has worked for him for decades.
No, kewlJ, that's not it at all. Not close.
Promotions aside, and I extract promotional advantages at every opportunity without being a dick, there is technically no such thing as EV, positive or negative, in a game of opinion. I have said this again and again., It is not dice. It is not blackjack. It is not mathematically self-contained. It is not its own bounded universe. If the Kentucky team doctor bets Indiana, as happened, and I learn about it, there is no EV involved. What's involved is knowledge.
Same with sports teams. Teams are organisms. Not coin flips. If you know organisms intimately (just like knowing people), you can predict their behavior. Not coin flips. Not blackjack.
The entire flippant jargon of "weak lines" is ridiculous. What is a "weak line?" You mean a line that trails other lines. An aberrant line? If there are five 7's and one 6, is the 6 the so-called weak line? You realize Mr. Walters jammed lines one way just to create that illusion, let the followers of "weak lines" hammer away, created snowballs of money, then zagged the other way, preferably through reasonable middle shots? An Asian billionaire's son shows up in LV one week, has some money to blow, it's a boxing weekend, you think lines that don't follow his preferences are "weak lines?"
The idea that line moves are correct more often than not is problematic, varying in terms of being correct both by sport and when in the season of each sport those line moves occur. The idea that simply always betting the lagged line is some huge advantage across all sports at any time in each sports season is so overblown, it's ridiculous. The NFL, I believe, is the worst of the major sports when it comes to line moves winning...unless it's weather related, and even then it's not a gigantic advantage.
You have two presentations here:
You can buy the idea that some generalized "AP" strategizing outperforms someone like Billy Walters, who has on occasion taken some beatings for long stretches, or you don't buy that idea. Mr. Walters had roundtables of experts for each sport, many of whom think of themselves as "APs," he had unlimited resources, he had the best software and data that money could buy, he had access to every gambling genius on the planet, and yet even he struggled for stretches to make money. Now do you really believe that Joe Citizen AP routinely does better than someone who brings all of that to the table in sports betting? Do you really think Joe Citizen AP routinely outperforms Phil Ivey when it comes to sports gambling?
Now none of what I'm saying applies to bonus whoring and promo addicts. If that's your gig, great -- I do it myself, but it's not some sustainable money-making-at-sports schtick. It's a gimmick, a transient angle that can disappear tomorrow.
The fact is, also, you're not going to find years-long records of these APs who have made money betting sports. All you're going to get are stories and anecdotes and tales of winning and of course, it's all a secret club (as Alan Mendelson often said). Well, great, but not many people are buying it.