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I'm really, really busy going forward. Between the radio series and football becoming a year-round sport, I'm jammed. The lack of useful info or respectful people on this forum renders it a negative. The folks playing at "APing" makes it a kind of cosplay site. It's an embarrassment to interact with some of these cosplay warriors, regnis and Boz excepted.

Thus, if anyone wants to contact me, set up meetings, inquisitions, tests of knowledge, and all that, email me at IntegritySports@aol.com or call me directly at 714-244-6853.

The only posting I'll be doing going forward is to announce dates/times/locations for my public availability in Las Vegas.

Have a good one.

Live long and prosper.

Don't take any wooden nickels.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I'm really, really busy going forward. Between the radio series and football becoming a year-round sport, I'm jammed. The lack of useful info or respectful people on this forum renders it a negative. The folks playing at "APing" makes it a kind of cosplay site. It's an embarrassment to interact with some of these cosplay warriors, regnis and Boz excepted.

Thus, if anyone wants to contact me, set up meetings, inquisitions, tests of knowledge, and all that, email me at IntegritySports@aol.com or call me directly at 714-244-6853.

The only posting I'll be doing going forward is to announce dates/times/locations for my public availability in Las Vegas.

Have a good one.

Live long and prosper.

Don't take any wooden nickels.

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The only people playing cosplay is Kew and you apparently. I’ve offered multiple bets to both of you to show my net worth vs your, play blackjack anything to basically take your money. Always you guys decline or make up some Weird reason why you can’t.

At this point after reading how much of a fraud you are I’m sure I could make more money then you sports betting over a year even tho I literally know 1 percent of what you do. If we had to use our own money and not “investors” money it’s a lock. You simply don’t understand how to exploit the technology, the bonus money, and circumvent the security the sites have to stop guys like me at scale. To easy really, but go ahead and tell us how you knew whitey bulger or Al Capone, and had lunch with Billy Walters. Pay your taxes fraud

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Originally Posted by redietz

I'm really, really busy going forward. Between the radio series and football becoming a year-round sport, I'm jammed. The lack of useful info or respectful people on this forum renders it a negative. The folks playing at "APing" makes it a kind of cosplay site. It's an embarrassment to interact with some of these cosplay warriors, regnis and Boz excepted.

Thus, if anyone wants to contact me, set up meetings, inquisitions, tests of knowledge, and all that, email me at IntegritySports@aol.com or call me directly at 714-244-6853.

The only posting I'll be doing going forward is to announce dates/times/locations for my public availability in Las Vegas.

Have a good one.

Live long and prosper.

Don't take any wooden nickels.

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You could have taken the high road. But you chose the low road. YOU are the one lacking in respect. You shit all over a lot of people here. You went completely bonkers. Why? I, for one, will not miss your arrogance, conceit, and intolerance.

Don't let the door hit you where the dog should have bit you.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

You could have taken the high road. But you chose the low road. YOU are the one lacking in respect. You shit all over a lot of people here. You went completely bonkers. Why? I, for one, will not miss your arrogance, conceit, and intolerance.

Don't let the door hit you where the dog should have bit you.

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What did you expect mickeycrimm? Seriously? You can put whatever spin you want on this, but any objective person can see there was a effort to gang up and pile on redietz. Some like Axel have said that wasn't their intent and I believe that. But it still occurred. Others like AinQ have admitted it. It was very coach belly-esque and I don't know what other outcome you expected other than to drive away yet another member. He will probably be back but that is not the point.

And I am not taking redietz side. While I have mostly supported him through the years, with the exception of his anonymity argument, I now see some inconsistencies in some of his comments and positions, starting with the EV comments. It would have been nice to hear him address that on a less hostile, more neutral environment like GWAE or even Dan Druff's podcast.

I mean what is the goal here? Drive everyone away until you are down to 3 or 4 members at each others throats daily, like Gamblers Glen?

It's just a shame redietz never did discover the PM function of this forum.

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You could have taken the high road. But you chose the low road. YOU are the one lacking in respect. You shit all over a lot of people here. You went completely bonkers. Why? I, for one, will not miss your arrogance, conceit, and intolerance.

Don't let the door hit you where the dog should have bit you.

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What did you expect mickeycrimm? Seriously? You can put whatever spin you want on this, but any objective person can see there was a effort to gang up and pile on redietz. Some like Axel have said that wasn't their intent and I believe that. But it still occurred. Others like AinQ have admitted it. It was very coach belly-esque and I don't know what other outcome you expected other than to drive away yet another member. He will probably be back but that is not the point.

And I am not taking redietz side. While I have mostly supported him through the years, with the exception of his anonymity argument, I now see some inconsistencies in some of his comments and positions, starting with the EV comments. It would have been nice to hear him address that on a less hostile, more neutral environment like GWAE or even Dan Druff's podcast.

I mean what is the goal here? Drive everyone away until you are down to 3 or 4 members at each others throats daily, like Gamblers Glen?

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I'm surprised you even know about Dan the Man podcast. I thought you knew NOTHING about PFA. Since you have never had an account and know nothing about Chrissy BLOAT Mitchell :) .,..... Also shoutout to shit disturber BaccaratDegen, I'm sure he's a regular over here.

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I'm surprised you even know about Dan the Man podcast. I thought you knew NOTHING about PFA. Since you have never had an account and know nothing about Chrissy BLOAT Mitchell :) .,..... Also shoutout to shit disturber BaccaratDegen, I'm sure he's a regular over here.

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I know about Dan's podcast because it was discussed and linked to here on this forum when Tasha was on. And that Tasha "episode" was the only one I have ever listened to.

At that time Dan Druff also invited me on, which I declined, but I guess it made me think more things beside poker are discussed, but I really have no idea.

I think I do have an account at PFA. Maybe I am wrong but I believe I created an account to PM Dan one of those times that he didn't show up here for weeks at a time and needed to ask him something. Don't believe I ever posted though. I get the feeling you think I post there under a different handle. If so, you are wrong, Ozzy Nelson. I post under Kewlj, or a shortened KJ on one blackjack forum.

I know a very little bit about Christopher Mitchell. Read a tiny bit at PFA and googled him. Looks like another scammer / bullshitter. I don't go searching for these guys so no need for me to have gotten involved. He wasn't on a forum I was on. And it looks like Druff and his boys have it well under control.

So what is your point, Donny Oz-man.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I'm really, really busy going forward. Between the radio series and football becoming a year-round sport, I'm jammed. The lack of useful info or respectful people on this forum renders it a negative. The folks playing at "APing" makes it a kind of cosplay site. It's an embarrassment to interact with some of these cosplay warriors, regnis and Boz excepted.

Thus, if anyone wants to contact me, set up meetings, inquisitions, tests of knowledge, and all that, email me at IntegritySports@aol.com or call me directly at 714-244-6853.

The only posting I'll be doing going forward is to announce dates/times/locations for my public availability in Las Vegas.

Have a good one.

Live long and prosper.

Don't take any wooden nickels.

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Sorry to hear you are leaving. Are you in Vegas or California these days? The 714 number would imply Orange County.

I will be glad to meet up with you at some point.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I'm really, really busy going forward. Between the radio series and football becoming a year-round sport, I'm jammed. The lack of useful info or respectful people on this forum renders it a negative. The folks playing at "APing" makes it a kind of cosplay site. It's an embarrassment to interact with some of these cosplay warriors, regnis and Boz excepted.

Thus, if anyone wants to contact me, set up meetings, inquisitions, tests of knowledge, and all that, email me at IntegritySports@aol.com or call me directly at 714-244-6853.

The only posting I'll be doing going forward is to announce dates/times/locations for my public availability in Las Vegas.

Have a good one.

Live long and prosper.

Don't take any wooden nickels.

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Sorry to hear you are leaving. Are you in Vegas or California these days? The 714 number would imply Orange County.

I will be glad to meet up with you at some point.

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Hey Dan,

I'll be in LV April 17-21 and again in July. Maybe another time or two this summer. I will post here when I arrive next Monday. I'll probably hunker down in the brew pub at Main Street for a couple of hours on Tuesday or Wednesday in case any of the cosplay APs want to drop in and discuss the inappropriate use of the term "EV" when subjectively estimating sports betting odds. I'll sign a book for the rabble but get there early. I told Munch at GWAE I'd also give him a heads up.

I guess mickey has arranged that on camera discussion with Fezzik by now. Looking forward to it. I'll try to bring along a camera in case there are any takers.

And Seed, I love you, so don't be shy. I toured The Green Door a couple of times, so we can at least discuss the ambience if we don't have much sports betting in common.

One last note:

I think it's great that kewlJ said he found some inconsistencies in my positions during Easter week, when we all celebrate the risen kewlJ, uh, I mean Christ. Kewlj, uh, God forbid there be any inconsistencies in reporting.

Kewlj, be sure to bring along a legal pad listing those inconsistencies, and I'll attempt to address them. I assume what you might interpret as one inconsistency is my admiration and respect for one Larry Fletcher, aka Southern Comfort. Southern pre-dated the cosplay APs on this site in his use of arbitrage and middles shooting. It's actually his extensive use of these that contributes to my being cynical of alleged APs using same for easy, consistent profits. You see, it's not like Southern kept what he was doing to himself or that what he was doing was some big secret. It's the fact that others, with more resources, weren't able to duplicate his success that makes me wary of fairy tale narratives. Southern had some things in his corner that the "APs" on this forum do not.

But that's something to be addressed in person and on camera.

Be there or be square!

And don't take any wooden nickels.

Ditz, you resigned from the forum. I took your word for it....but it didn't last for long did it? Here you are right back insulting people for no reason. How the hell was I supposed to arrange something between you and Fezzik when you were supposedly no longer in contact here? You stupid motherfucker.

WE are not the ones you need to explain your bullshit opinion about EV too. You need to explain it on GWAE and VSIN. You need to explain it to all the noted sports bettors out there. You need to debate that shit with the cream of the crop. And you don't need me to put that together for you. Grow up and start doing things for yourself. Go on a Fucking crusade. Call out all noted sports bettors about EV. Quit sobbing like a piece of shit on a 17th tier forum about it. Get on a high horse. Go high profile. Go on a crusade. Talk loud and draw a crowd. Draw everyone in the gambling world into it. Tell us all!

But so far all I've seen from you is chickenshit bitching on a 17th tier forum that the world is oblivious to. Go major fucking PUBLIC with your bullshit on EV. Either that or STFU.

Every time they come back back. EVERY time.

Kew is in a league of his own for " fake quiting " Yo Alan was second and Comrade is really solidifying third position. Great job Dietz!

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Ditz, you resigned from the forum. I took your word for it....but it didn't last for long did it? Here you are right back insulting people for no reason. How the hell was I supposed to arrange something between you and Fezzik when you were supposedly no longer in contact here? You stupid motherfucker.

WE are not the ones you need to explain your bullshit opinion about EV too. You need to explain it on GWAE and VSIN. You need to explain it to all the noted sports bettors out there. You need to debate that shit with the cream of the crop. And you don't need me to put that together for you. Grow up and start doing things for yourself. Go on a Fucking crusade. Call out all noted sports bettors about EV. Quit sobbing like a piece of shit on a 17th tier forum about it. Get on a high horse. Go high profile. Go on a crusade. Talk loud and draw a crowd. Draw everyone in the gambling world into it. Tell us all!

But so far all I've seen from you is chickenshit bitching on a 17th tier forum that the world is oblivious to. Go major fucking PUBLIC with your bullshit on EV. Either that or STFU.

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Over the last month, I have accused mickeycrimm of carrying out a vendetta against reditz with his repeated trolling and attempts to discredit redietz. Each time mickeycrimm has given his word that wasn't true, insisting that it was all about a genuine interest to learn all he could about sports betting.

The above post is not about learning anything. It is not about anyone benefitting from anything. It is about tearing down and discrediting redietz. Mickey just wants to destroy redietz because redietz made a comment about social security and welfare that offended mickey. That is all it has ever been about, ever since redietz made the stupid social security comment.

Don't fucking piss on our legs and tell us it is raining crimm.

Mickey is right about one thing: This is a 17th tier forum that the world is oblivious to. Mickey is a great AP. Maybe one of the greatest all time. And when all is said on done, he will be remembered more as a troll on a two bit forum (or 17th tier) as much as anything. A vindictive, vengeful little man.

These troll games just become so exhausting. The sad thing is there are some inconsistencies and things said that I would like to hear redietz answer for or explain. But that is just not what this has been about. This is about piling on and trying to discredit and destroy a member because people have decided they don't like him or he said something someone took offense at.

KJ, is stuck on stupid. Ditz trolled everyone in the sportsbetting thread multiple times. Anything that got said at all about strategic sportsbetting ditz came in and insulted the shit out of people. To the point it shut down any kind of comment or debate. No one wanted to be called stupid by ditz. We finally got some comment after he quit the forum. But now he's back to stink shit up again.

So far every noted sportsbettor I put up in the thread has used the term "EV." Spanky, Captain Jack, Porter, Mr. Doppy, Krakomberger. I have to figure that every big time sports bettor out there believes in expected value except ditz.

Here's a real head scratcher. Ditz tells us EV doesn't exist....but he sells it on his website.

KJoccio, you need to improve your reading comprehension....then go back thru the sports betting thread, starting from the beginning, and count the several dozen times ditz hurled insults at me. What the fuck do you think "cosplay" means? He's calling us poser pros. That's why I refuse to budge. He's the piss ant poser pro.

"Expected Value" is a measure applied in all gambling, repeat, all gambling, repeat, all gambling, repeat, all gambling, repeat, all gambling. That will never change no matter what ditz says.

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KJ, is stuck on stupid. Ditz trolled everyone in the sportsbetting thread multiple times. Anything that got said at all about strategic sportsbetting ditz came in and insulted the shit out of people. To the point it shut down any kind of comment or debate. No one wanted to be called stupid by ditz. We finally got some comment after he quit the forum. But now he's back to stink shit up again.

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Are you serious Mickey ?!? What you just described "insulting the shit out of people" and calling name is exactly what your buddy Rob Singer has done for decades now and you don't seem to have a problem with it. And for the exact same reason to shut down discussion he doesn't want. It is an intimidation tactic. If you are going to bitch about redietz doing it, how about a comment on your boy Ron.


Look, redietz is wrong about EV, just like he is wrong about members posting anonymously. Just because someone is wrong about something is no reason to gang up and try to drive them off the forum and that is what you have done and continue to do, mickey. You are behaving like a bully!

I asked this before and I am dead serious: What is it you want? To drive more and more people from this forum until it is down to 3 or 4 people bitching at one another about politics and climate change? I am too young and not around long enough to have participated at Gamblers Glen, But I read some of the final days. Is that it? You miss that and want this to be a dead forum with 3-4 people at each others throats?

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KJ, is stuck on stupid. Ditz trolled everyone in the sportsbetting thread multiple times. Anything that got said at all about strategic sportsbetting ditz came in and insulted the shit out of people. To the point it shut down any kind of comment or debate. No one wanted to be called stupid by ditz. We finally got some comment after he quit the forum. But now he's back to stink shit up again.

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Are you serious Mickey ?!? What you just described "insulting the shit out of people" and calling name is exactly what your buddy Rob Singer has done for decades now and you don't seem to have a problem with it. And for the exact same reason to shut down discussion he doesn't want. It is an intimidation tactic. If you are going to bitch about redietz doing it, how about a comment on your boy Ron.


Look, redietz is wrong about EV, just like he is wrong about members posting anonymously. Just because someone is wrong about something is no reason to gang up and try to drive them off the forum and that is what you have done and continue to do, mickey. You are behaving like a bully!

I asked this before and I am dead serious: What is it you want? To drive more and more people from this forum until it is down to 3 or 4 people bitching at one another about politics and climate change? I am too young and not around long enough to have participated at Gamblers Glen, But I read some of the final days. Is that it? You miss that and want this to be a dead forum with 3-4 people at each others throats?

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Dude, you are accusing others of doing exactly what you do. Pot! This is kettle! You're black!

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Pot! This is kettle! You're black!

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For what it is worth Mickey, my pots and pans are blue. Welcome to 2023. :)

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KJ, is stuck on stupid. Ditz trolled everyone in the sportsbetting thread multiple times. Anything that got said at all about strategic sportsbetting ditz came in and insulted the shit out of people. To the point it shut down any kind of comment or debate. No one wanted to be called stupid by ditz. We finally got some comment after he quit the forum. But now he's back to stink shit up again.

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Are you serious Mickey ?!? What you just described "insulting the shit out of people" and calling name is exactly what your buddy Rob Singer has done for decades now and you don't seem to have a problem with it. And for the exact same reason to shut down discussion he doesn't want. It is an intimidation tactic. If you are going to bitch about redietz doing it, how about a comment on your boy Ron.


Look, redietz is wrong about EV, just like he is wrong about members posting anonymously. Just because someone is wrong about something is no reason to gang up and try to drive them off the forum and that is what you have done and continue to do, mickey. You are behaving like a bully!

I asked this before and I am dead serious: What is it you want? To drive more and more people from this forum until it is down to 3 or 4 people bitching at one another about politics and climate change? I am too young and not around long enough to have participated at Gamblers Glen, But I read some of the final days. Is that it? You miss that and want this to be a dead forum with 3-4 people at each others throats?

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See, this is why it's 50% bullshit -- does Kewlj know enough about sports betting to make the evaluation I'm "wrong about EV?" And 50% hubris -- has KewlJ heard what I have to say about the application of "Ev" to sports betting in anything approaching the entirety of what I have to say?

The answers are "No" and "Hell no."

My "EV" spiel comes at it from three or four different angles and is at least 30 minutes verbal, which is 3000 words at the least. I don't think I've done a 15-page typewritten-EV spiel on this forum.

Bring your legal pads or a camera. Be there or be square.

Redietz, how unusual for your response to be a condescending, talk-down to 'putdown'. :rolleyes:

No, I am not an expert on sports betting. But I do know a thing or two about expected value. Granted EV is very different for blackjack card counting compared to sports betting, but it is still EV. And there has to be something that makes it positive to achieve long-term winnings. I am just not a believer in continuously getting lucky. That is the issue I have with both Singer's and Mdogs claims.

No frankly, I DON'T want to read a 3000 word explanation. I would think a guy calling himself a sports betting expert for decades could explain his position in less than 3000 words.

Plus you have had the opportunity to go on GWAE and explain your position and have pretty much done everything you can to not make that happen.

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Redietz, how unusual for your response to be a condescending, talk-down to 'putdown'. :rolleyes:

No, I am not an expert on sports betting. But I do know a thing or two about expected value. Granted EV is very different for blackjack card counting compared to sports betting, but it is still EV. And there has to be something that makes it positive to achieve long-term winnings. I am just not a believer in continuously getting lucky. That is the issue I have with both Singer's and Mdogs claims.

No frankly, I DON'T want to read a 3000 word explanation. I would think a guy calling himself a sports betting expert for decades could explain his position in less than 3000 words.

Plus you have had the opportunity to go on GWAE and explain your position and have pretty much done everything you can to not make that happen.

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See, this is an example of kewlJ talking out of his ass, which happens on too many occasions. How exactly do you know I had the opportunity to "go on GWAE and explain" my position? Don't be shy. Explain exactly how you know that?

Have you listened in on phone calls? Read emails back and forth? Talked to me privately about it? Corresponded with Munch or Dancer about it?

No?

Then how in God's name can you make the statements you just made?

You know how? Because you made the leap to stating something you know nothing about. Not unusual.

GWAE aside, can you imagine me telling kewlJ or any professional blackjack player his business? Fools rush in and all that.

It's becoming clear to me that most people use the "EV" jargon without making any real attempt to define "EV." If they made the attempt to pin down the definition of "EV" or even THEIR subjective definition of "EV," they'd be halfway home to understanding why it's not appropriate to use for sports betting.

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See, this is an example of kewlJ talking out of his ass, which happens on too many occasions. How exactly do you know I had the opportunity to "go on GWAE and explain" my position? Don't be shy. Explain exactly how you know that?

Have you listened in on phone calls? Read emails back and forth? Talked to me privately about it? Corresponded with Munch or Dancer about it?

No?

Then how in God's name can you make the statements you just made?

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God I am so tired of this shit. Every day, same shit, different chapter. Different member. :(

Redietz, I don't give a fuck if you go on GWAE or not.

The facts are that you have made statements about expected value (EV) that differ from the way I and most advantage players think about EV. I initially thought that might have been a terminology issue, because of differences in traditional advantage play and sports betting. But Mickey crimm has dug up and posted quite a few other sports betters that also seem to contradict your statements and way of thinking.

I still think it may very well be sort of a terminology type issue. And I would have liked to hear you explain what you mean, so everyone understood. GWAE seemed like the perfect spot. Mickey set it up as much as he could. When you seemed to drag your feet, he said there was nothing more he could do and gave you the contact info. And now what are we a month or two later and nothing. What the fuck negotiation is there? You don't have to be in LV to do the interview. Most of the interviews are done over the phone, or skype or something (not in person). With the announcement that GWAE is winding down, it seems like you are dragging your feet.

Now again, I don't care. If you don't want to do the show, then don't do the show. I first declined GWAE almost a decade ago, seeing no benefit to that kind of platform. If you think it is not for you, then don't do it. But don't give us this BS about negotiations and shit. If you wanted it to have happened and wanted to take that opportunity to explain yourself, you would have by now. It is another case of someone pissing on us and telling us it is raining.

I will conclude by saying this. I have challenged several different people / players over the years. Singer, Mdog, the late Moses. Each of these people responded by attacking (usually very personal and not related to anything) rather than explain any misunderstanding. I am seeing some of that from you. Attacking APs in general and specifically. I am not saying you are full of shit, like Singer or Mdawg, but I would much rather see a level-headed response, maybe explaining some differences in thinking or terminology. Honestly that is the way, I have always tried to handle people questing me. It gets harder when you feel like people are ganging up with dishonest intent, which is why I have defended you against that.

Anyway, nothing more I can do. Nothing more mickey or axelwolf or anyone can do. If you want to explain yourself, do so. If you don't, that is fine too. Run around offering to sign a book that has nothing to do with gambling or sports betting and no one seems that interested in except you.

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See, this is an example of kewlJ talking out of his ass, which happens on too many occasions. How exactly do you know I had the opportunity to "go on GWAE and explain" my position? Don't be shy. Explain exactly how you know that?

Have you listened in on phone calls? Read emails back and forth? Talked to me privately about it? Corresponded with Munch or Dancer about it?

No?

Then how in God's name can you make the statements you just made?

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God I am so tired of this shit. Every day, same shit, different chapter. Different member. :(

Redietz, I don't give a fuck if you go on GWAE or not.

The facts are that you have made statements about expected value (EV) that differ from the way I and most advantage players think about EV. I initially thought that might have been a terminology issue, because of differences in traditional advantage play and sports betting. But Mickey crimm has dug up and posted quite a few other sports betters that also seem to contradict your statements and way of thinking.

I still think it may very well be sort of a terminology type issue. And I would have liked to hear you explain what you mean, so everyone understood. GWAE seemed like the perfect spot. Mickey set it up as much as he could. When you seemed to drag your feet, he said there was nothing more he could do and gave you the contact info. And now what are we a month or two later and nothing. What the fuck negotiation is there? You don't have to be in LV to do the interview. Most of the interviews are done over the phone, or skype or something (not in person). With the announcement that GWAE is winding down, it seems like you are dragging your feet.

Now again, I don't care. If you don't want to do the show, then don't do the show. I first declined GWAE almost a decade ago, seeing no benefit to that kind of platform. If you think it is not for you, then don't do it. But don't give us this BS about negotiations and shit. If you wanted it to have happened and wanted to take that opportunity to explain yourself, you would have by now. It is another case of someone pissing on us and telling us it is raining.

I will conclude by saying this. I have challenged several different people / players over the years. Singer, Mdog, the late Moses. Each of these people responded by attacking (usually very personal and not related to anything) rather than explain any misunderstanding. I am seeing some of that from you. Attacking APs in general and specifically. I am not saying you are full of shit, like Singer or Mdawg, but I would much rather see a level-headed response, maybe explaining some differences in thinking or terminology. Honestly that is the way, I have always tried to handle people questing me. It gets harder when you feel like people are ganging up with dishonest intent, which is why I have defended you against that.

Anyway, nothing more I can do. Nothing more mickey or axelwolf or anyone can do. If you want to explain yourself, do so. If you don't, that is fine too. Run around offering to sign a book that has nothing to do with gambling or sports betting and no one seems that interested in except you.

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Here's a brilliant suggestion for the allegedly precise and fair kewlJ: instead of deciding, on your own with zero evidence and zero knowledge of anything that took place between GWAE and myself, why don't you contact Munch or Dancer directly and ask them if I dragged my feet or didn't want to be on the show?

I know, just a startling idea. So complex. So sophisticated. The idea of fact checking before blathering. Amazing concept.

What on God's green earth made you think you knew what the interactions were between GWAE and me? Mickey told you? Axelwolf told you? You had a dream? You just know everything because you're an "AP?"

The book, by the way, contains my little origin story, so it actually has something to do with gambling and sports betting. Wait, you didn't know that? You mean that you commented about my contribution to the book without having read my story?

Shocking.

Let's see if you have the honesty to show up to learn why the term "AP" should not be used when discussing sports betting. You have been completely dishonest when posting about my interactions with GWAE. And wrong, by the way. Let's see how honest you are about reporting what I have to say regarding "EV."

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You have been completely dishonest when posting about my interactions with GWAE.

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Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

I told you so.

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What on God's green earth made you think you knew what the interactions were between GWAE and me? Mickey told you? Axelwolf told you? You had a dream? You just know everything because you're an "AP?"

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Where did I ever say I knew about interactions between you and either party at GWAE?? :confused: What I said was if you wanted this interview/appearance on the show to happen, it would have happened or been scheduled by now. Mickeycrimm did as much as he could for you.

Now again, I don't care either way. If you were to have been on, I would have listened to hear your explanation of some inconsistencies that I now see. Other than that I don't give a fuck if you do GWAE or not.

But I will tell you that your doubling and tripling down on these positions concerning EV that everyone knows is wrong and now you are saying even stupider shit like "the term "AP" should not be used when discussing sports betting", when it has been proven beyond contestation by Axelwolf and others that there are APs winning through AP methods ALONE in sportsbetting. No handicapping or anything. Not knowing anything about teams or players. Just pure AP play.

You seem to have put yourself in this place where it is you against the world. And what is even worse is that like many on these forums seem to have adopted this motion that what others are doing is some how diminishing what you do or have accomplished. Like everything else on these forums, YOU have turned this into a pissing contest, when it shouldn't be that at all.

I still believe you have accomplished what you have claimed, with the approach you take of lots of contests and stuff. That other people do things completely different than you and win (more AP stuff) in no way is a reflection on anything you have claimed or done, except now you have made it into a war....a big pissing contest.

The new Taylor Swift song playing at the gym today reminded me of someone:

I have this thing where I get older but just never wiser
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I should not be left to my own devices
They come with prices and vices
I end up in crisis (tale as old as time)
I wake up screaming from dreaming
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It's me, hi, I'm the problem, it's me
At tea time, everybody agrees
I'll stare directly at the sun but never in the mirror
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Did you hear my covert narcissism I disguise as altruism
Like some kind of congressman? (Tale as old as time)
I wake up screaming from dreaming
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It's me, hi, I'm the problem, it's me
It's me, hi, I'm the problem, it's me
It's me, hi, everybody agrees, everybody agrees

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What on God's green earth made you think you knew what the interactions were between GWAE and me? Mickey told you? Axelwolf told you? You had a dream? You just know everything because you're an "AP?"

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Where did I ever say I knew about interactions between you and either party at GWAE?? :confused: What I said was if you wanted this interview/appearance on the show to happen, it would have happened or been scheduled by now. Mickeycrimm did as much as he could for you.

Now again, I don't care either way. If you were to have been on, I would have listened to hear your explanation of some inconsistencies that I now see. Other than that I don't give a fuck if you do GWAE or not.

But I will tell you that your doubling and tripling down on these positions concerning EV that everyone knows is wrong and now you are saying even stupider shit like "the term "AP" should not be used when discussing sports betting", when it has been proven beyond contestation by Axelwolf and others that there are APs winning through AP methods ALONE in sportsbetting. No handicapping or anything. Not knowing anything about teams or players. Just pure AP play.

You seem to have put yourself in this place where it is you against the world. And what is even worse is that like many on these forums seem to have adopted this motion that what others are doing is some how diminishing what you do or have accomplished. Like everything else on these forums, YOU have turned this into a pissing contest, when it shouldn't be that at all.

I still believe you have accomplished what you have claimed, with the approach you take of lots of contests and stuff. That other people do things completely different than you and win (more AP stuff) in no way is a reflection on anything you have claimed or done, except now you have made it into a war....a big pissing contest.

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LOL. That was actually a typo (the "AP" for "EV"). For some reason, the new browser version seems intent on finishing my sentences for me and presenting ways to finish a sentence. So I'm getting weird drop down menus when I stop a sentence. Either the browser finished the sentence for me when I accidentally hit a button or I went brain dead and typed what was ahead of the cursor in the drop down menu instead of what I meant to say.

But carry on.

It is a bit creepy when an AI is anticipating what it thinks you are going to write and presents you with options for what you should say based on some kind of personal history or what has appeared previously in the paragraphs.

If anyone is up for understanding why the term/phrase "EV" is inappropriate for sports betting on Wednesday, I'll be;

1) At South Point, in the breakfast buffet between 8 AM and 9:30 AM.

2) At the Main Street Station brew pub between 5:30 PM and 7 PM.

I'll be the old guy wearing the Vegas Golden Knights hat and reading a newspaper, which nobody does these days. Not sure about decibel levels in either locale, but I'll keep my fingers crossed that conversations are possible.

Todd, we should touch base some time. I'll be back in July if that's convenient for you. Or if you're currently in town, drop by and say hey.

Change in plans since the Brew Pub is closed tonight, surprisingly.

Let's go with Happy Hour at Oscar's restaurant for the same hours, 5:30 to 7 PM.

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Change in plans since the Brew Pub is closed tonight, surprisingly.

Let's go with Happy Hour at Oscar's restaurant for the same hours, 5:30 to 7 PM.

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Bbbwwaaaaaaaaahh, what the hell you doin in the Las Vegas? I figured you'd be in the chimpcongo, wetting yerself with glee enjoyin the oog-booga subhumanity bein perpetrated by yer precious nigger pets, hey hey????

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If anyone is up for understanding why the term/phrase "EV" is inappropriate for sports betting on Wednesday, I'll be;

1) At South Point, in the breakfast buffet between 8 AM and 9:30 AM.

2) At the Main Street Station brew pub between 5:30 PM and 7 PM.

I'll be the old guy wearing the Vegas Golden Knights hat and reading a newspaper, which nobody does these days. Not sure about decibel levels in either locale, but I'll keep my fingers crossed that conversations are possible.

Todd, we should touch base some time. I'll be back in July if that's convenient for you. Or if you're currently in town, drop by and say hey.

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Yes, July would be better. Let me know when you are around in the early summer.

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Originally Posted by redietz

If anyone is up for understanding why the term/phrase "EV" is inappropriate for sports betting on Wednesday, I'll be;

1) At South Point, in the breakfast buffet between 8 AM and 9:30 AM.

2) At the Main Street Station brew pub between 5:30 PM and 7 PM.

I'll be the old guy wearing the Vegas Golden Knights hat and reading a newspaper, which nobody does these days. Not sure about decibel levels in either locale, but I'll keep my fingers crossed that conversations are possible.

Todd, we should touch base some time. I'll be back in July if that's convenient for you. Or if you're currently in town, drop by and say hey.

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Yes, July would be better. Let me know when you are around in the early summer.

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Will do.

I had never visited the Mob Museum prior to this trip. Much more to it than I anticipated -- it vacillates between being pro-Mob and at least partially pro-law enforcement. Also, Happy Hour at Oscar's is quite nice. Try the meatballs. I'm no Italian food expert, but I love the meatballs.

And an interesting sidelight -- generally, the classic sports books (Circa, Westgate, South Point) have had the most generous futures and a wider range earlier than others. For 2023 football, not the case. The books that take things most seriously are being most circumspect in putting numbers out there. That is a different context for Las Vegas.

Also, I had a brief conversation with Circa about their limits. They have adopted the old CET strategy that I discussed about 12 years ago when I did a formal limits survey for Playbook. Game limits are tiered based on anticipated action -- with the flexibility of limiting action based on the amount of money anchoring the existing lines.

Here's the kicker from my perspective -- Circa, which is considered, and considers itself, a big deal -- has limits that are no higher than Stardust, or Caesars Palace, or even Binions (yes, Binions) limits from the 80's. Which means, given the 3 1/2 to 1 or 4 to 1 real-money ratio then to now, that Circa's limits are actually real, real small compared to limits in the 80's and early 90's. The Stardust, for example, was allowing several times as much football action per game as Circa does now, and that's a conservative estimate.

Adios until July! I'll drop in when next I'm heading west.

I'll leave the posting to the local geniuses.