Rich Little Piggies

Since jbjb mentioned the Piggies thread over at WoV I went over and read it. That thread has been there for over a year and no one over there has done any kind of real analysis of the game. I was surprised at Darkoz' lack of knowledge on the subject. I would have figured a game like Piggies would have been a no brainer for the "most feared AP on the east coast." But that's not the case.

So anyways I still will collect stats on a game to a certain point. But I cut it off earlier than I used to. I'm smelling the roses more these days.

There are 7 triggers in the game:

Trigger the blue pig alone.
Trigger the yellow pig alone.
Trigger the red pig alone.
Trigger the yellow and red pig together.
Trigger the blue pig and yellow pig together.
Trigger the blue pig and red pig together.
Trigger the blue, yellow and red pig together.

Triggering the yellow pig alone, or triggering the red pig alone, or triggering yellow and red together does not end the play.

The play continues until 1 of 4 things occur:

You trigger the blue pig alone.
You trigger the blue pig and yellow pig together.
You trigger the blue pig and red pig together
You trigger the blue, yellow and red pig together.

Once one of these 4 things occurs the play is over and you have to live with the consequences. The reason is because the blue pig will reset to 9.

The objective of this game is to catch blue pig/yellow pig or catch blue/yellow/red. Because that is where the big payoffs are.

I lump the other two triggers, catching blue pig alone, or catching blue/red as part of the main game payback.

This is based on a small sample space, just 37 plays where I'm playing a blue 20 or higher. In those 37 plays I've caught the blue/yellow 7 times and the blue/yellow/red 5 times. That's 1 in 3 plays average.

So 2 out of 3 plays I either don't make money or lose some money.

But 1 out of 3 plays I make enough money to outrun the losing plays. At least that's the way it's been going.

The golden rule is quit each play when the blue pig resets to 9.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

I lump the other two triggers, catching blue pig alone, or catching blue/red as part of the main game payback.

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Why not just treat it like a straight up spin banker on the blue pig? e.g. treating any blue pop as a "bonus" as far as the average payout per blue and the cycle to pop a blue pop shuffling the rest into the main game drop / return?

With other spin bankers you don't know whether you are going to get a bad bonus or not until it's done... With pigs you kinda know before it starts depending on which ones pop... That's the only difference as far as I can tell, when you know... And that information isn't particularly useful. Agree?

I'll submit for consideration that if you want to know your downside potential and you know your gonna walk when the blue hits... Knowing the average spins to blue and the standard deviation on spins per blue are the metrics you need.

I think one could account for the blue pig triggers by either lumping all the blue pig hits together, including catching the blue pig alone, for an average per free spin. Or one could lump the single blue pig hits in with the main game. Either way works.

It's not always a losing play when you hit the blue pig alone. There is significant payback there.

BTW, I'm averaging 83 spins to hit one of the triggers that ends the play. And a 40% drop.

The Hog Wild skin (Red Pig banked wilds symbols added to the reels for all free spins) can allow the player to be profitable with Blue and Red combined if Red is at 100 prior to the Red and Blue trigger. I.e. a greater proportion of the overall RTP can be locked up in Red compared to the Meal Ticket variant.
Thanks for the insightful posts Mickey.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

I think one could account for the blue pig triggers by either lumping all the blue pig hits together, including catching the blue pig alone, for an average per free spin. Or one could lump the single blue pig hits in with the main game. Either way works.

It's not always a losing play when you hit the blue pig alone. There is significant payback there.

BTW, I'm averaging 83 spins to hit one of the triggers that ends the play. And a 40% drop.

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It sounds like you're running good on the game. I would expect the spins for a blue pop to increase and the main game drop the increase if you continue tracking.

I'm pretty sure most of my play was on an 88% machine at reset.

I've been using the following strategy:

25 blue if the yellow and red pigs are both small/medium
20 blue if the yellow pig is maxed out and the red pig is small/medium
18 blue if the yellow and red pigs are both maxed out

It's been winning but the results aren't quite as good as I would like* so I've been thinking about moving the threshold up to 25 (or maybe 22-23) regardless of what the yellow and red are at. I play at a casino where I estimate the RTP to probably be around 87%, maybe even as low as 85%.

Does anyone else factor in the yellow and red pigs into their decision to play or is everyone just using the blue number only?


*Not counting the Mega I hit a few weeks ago in those results as that is unduplicatable.

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I've been using the following strategy:

25 blue if the yellow and red pigs are both small/medium
20 blue if the yellow pig is maxed out and the red pig is small/medium
18 blue if the yellow and red pigs are both maxed out

It's been winning but the results aren't quite as good as I would like* so I've been thinking about moving the threshold up to 25 (or maybe 22-23) regardless of what the yellow and red are at. I play at a casino where I estimate the RTP to probably be around 87%, maybe even as low as 85%.

Does anyone else factor in the yellow and red pigs into their decision to play or is everyone just using the blue number only?


*Not counting the Mega I hit a few weeks ago in those results as that is unduplicatable.

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I'll come down a banked game or two if the other pigs are fat.

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I think one could account for the blue pig triggers by either lumping all the blue pig hits together, including catching the blue pig alone, for an average per free spin. Or one could lump the single blue pig hits in with the main game. Either way works.

It's not always a losing play when you hit the blue pig alone. There is significant payback there.

BTW, I'm averaging 83 spins to hit one of the triggers that ends the play. And a 40% drop.

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It sounds like you're running good on the game. I would expect the spins for a blue pop to increase and the main game drop the increase if you continue tracking.

I'm pretty sure most of my play was on an 88% machine at reset.

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As the sample space grows I make adjustments when called for. This game is everywhere but I don't find many plays.

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I think one could account for the blue pig triggers by either lumping all the blue pig hits together, including catching the blue pig alone, for an average per free spin. Or one could lump the single blue pig hits in with the main game. Either way works.

It's not always a losing play when you hit the blue pig alone. There is significant payback there.

BTW, I'm averaging 83 spins to hit one of the triggers that ends the play. And a 40% drop.

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It sounds like you're running good on the game. I would expect the spins for a blue pop to increase and the main game drop the increase if you continue tracking.

I'm pretty sure most of my play was on an 88% machine at reset.

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As the sample space grows I make adjustments when called for. This game is everywhere but I don't find many plays.

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The game gets checked a lot... like checked as often as a regal... Even civilians have figured it out.

Oh well, it was good for awhile.

Fun pig story... I was taking a morning lap and landed a mega for just under $20k at a $6 bet... Then I went to a second casino and hit another mega at the $6 level for $27k. Two megas in one day before lunch!

I took the afternoon off obviously.

I'd really like to hit a 3rd mega. I don't personally know anyone that's hit 3.

Guess I'd better keep checking them.

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The game gets checked a lot... like checked as often as a regal... Even civilians have figured it out.

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Agree that it's rare to randomly walk up on a good play.

Probably 75% of my plays have come from directly seeing someone stand up and walk away from a good number and jumping on it. Had I walked by 5 minutes later most of those plays would have been already taken, most not even by other hustlers.

Luckily there's zero heat at my local shop so I usually just stop and watch/camp anytime I see someone playing a good number with less that 20 spins worth of credits on the machine.

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I think one could account for the blue pig triggers by either lumping all the blue pig hits together, including catching the blue pig alone, for an average per free spin. Or one could lump the single blue pig hits in with the main game. Either way works.

It's not always a losing play when you hit the blue pig alone. There is significant payback there.

BTW, I'm averaging 83 spins to hit one of the triggers that ends the play. And a 40% drop.

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It sounds like you're running good on the game. I would expect the spins for a blue pop to increase and the main game drop the increase if you continue tracking.

I'm pretty sure most of my play was on an 88% machine at reset.

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As the sample space grows I make adjustments when called for. This game is everywhere but I don't find many plays.

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It's like Regal where any blue 7 or above seems to get picked off even though 7 is too low. Very rare to see a blue pig above 14 when I'm out.

I had my first ever AP experience on this machine yesterday.

Found a hog wild machine with 19 on the blue pig, pretty fat yellow pig and wilds at 90. This was at 600 credits per spin which is higher than I prefer to play as a beginning AP but I do have the bankroll.

At first the machine was cold but after a while I triggered the red bonus by itself with 100 wilds on it. That got me about 300 on that bonus. But I was still down overall.

The blue pig was at 26 and after the red hit, I had a run where I’ve never seen so many blue coins come out that did nothing. No increase or trigger. I was starting to sweat a bit, even though I understand how APing works and if I find good plays and see them through I will come out ahead long term. But even so after I put the 13th hundred dollar bill in I was thinking WTF did I just do.

Then finally with the blue at 27 and the red at just 15 wilds I triggered all 3 at once. Would have been incredible to hit it with the 100 wilds but certainly can’t complain. I ended up just shy of $2K for a profit of about $600. Didn’t hit grand or mega but hit a few of each of the others, and had a few decent line payouts.

I am studying other games.

Mickeycrimm, if we ever cross paths you will have a meal on me.

Does the frequency of Grands and Megas decrease as you progress through your free spins?

I triggered blue and yellow together with 38 spins on the blue. By spin 22 I had only one left to go on the Grand and the Mega, and of course didn’t get either. Gaffed as hell.

Triggered a bunch of lower bonuses but the spins themselves sucked so I still managed to lose a couple bucks on the play. Just running bad to trigger blue and yellow together with 38 and still lose.

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That shit is always gaffed bra.

I played a 1.50 25 blue other 2 as fat. Made $40 but triggered it at like 28 + jackpot. It teased me up where I had 1 to each of the top 3 jackpots and then just totally blanks.

Too many plops figuring out the general way to size up best spot to play on new machines. They've went meta so even new games start getting games picked off when it is all over the keypad. I noticed a game was an advantage game and bottom meter was all at reset lol. I forget to walk over there and look at it since ..

I told you guys how the Mega and Grand works in RLP. If you do NOT get the first 5 or 4 coins respectively in the first 7-8 spins, you will 99.999999999% of the time NOT GET THE MEGA OR GRAND no matter how many free games you have.

This guy gets the first 4 Megas in 8 spins and the 5th on spin 16. These are usually good indicators.

https://youtu.be/0EzUzL8bUXk?si=pQoiWyb_hsWMXeBN

This one here has 4 Grands on the 7th spin.

https://youtu.be/aru2UCFKvBE?si=GzI6Yqk3yML2i0TJ

This did not happen to me, I am hearing it third hand. A friend of mine told me that someone he knew told him they were playing Scientific Games Piggy Bankin' (2017 - please see example pic below). The person eliminated all nine pigs and did not get the progressive pick'em round at that point. Instead, a tenth lone pig walked out which could hold 30 coins in it, rather than the usual 60 coin capacity. And, when this 10th pig blew up, the person got the pick'em round.

Yes, Piggy Bankin' is one of those slots that can be +EV if you know what to look for. But good opportunities don’t last long because everyone is monitoring them. The game works on a banked system, where the best moments happen when the blue pig is over 20-25, and the yellow and red pigs are also high. The problem is that if you see a good slot, it has already been checked before you, and the chances of it just sitting there untouched are low.

I often test different slots using bonuses and free spins from sites like this one. This allows me to analyze RTP, volatility, and slot behavior without risk. Based on that, I have my own stats and conclusions, and one of the main things I’ve noticed is that most slots behave differently in bonuses than in real play. In Piggy Bankin', I’ve seen that if you don’t land the right symbols in the first 7-8 spins of a bonus, you won’t hit a Mega or Grand no matter how many free spins you get. Overall, if you understand slot mechanics and don’t play randomly, +EV opportunities exist, but there’s always competition for them.

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Yes, Piggy Bankin' is one of those slots that can be +EV if you know what to look for. But good opportunities don’t last long because everyone is monitoring them. The game works on a banked system, where the best moments happen when the blue pig is over 20-25, and the yellow and red pigs are also high. The problem is that if you see a good slot, it has already been checked before you, and the chances of it just sitting there untouched are low.

I often test different slots using bonuses and free spins from sites like this one. This allows me to analyze RTP, volatility, and slot behavior without risk. Based on that, I have my own stats and conclusions, and one of the main things I’ve noticed is that most slots behave differently in bonuses than in real play. In Piggy Bankin', I’ve seen that if you don’t land the right symbols in the first 7-8 spins of a bonus, you won’t hit a Mega or Grand no matter how many free spins you get. Overall, if you understand slot mechanics and don’t play randomly, +EV opportunities exist, but there’s always competition for them.

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Your AI is retarded because you are confusing Piggy Bankin’ with Rich Little Piggies you fucktard

Wise up