Aw man, I REALLY could use a Team like Darkoz has...

So, I get free play offers from Seminole Hard Rock Casino.... For when I'll be WORKING and cannot use the free play. :( I could really use a Team like Darkoz has where he can be like,"Hey, Tommy, I have $100 in free play for Saturday, but I'll be working and can't use it. I want you to go pick it up for me.

I personally don't have a Team where I can have someone just go and pick up free play for me. The way it is, I'm losing out on extra money by not being able to use it. At least if I had a Team like Darkoz has, the extra money wouldn't just sit there unused.

I would never send someone for a lousy $100.

Also I rarely let anyone use my own personal card.

Read irony into that if you will.

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I would never send someone for a lousy $100.

Also I rarely let anyone use my own personal card.

Read irony into that if you will.

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I just wish my free play wouldn't just sit there idle. The other week, I lost out on a free $140 because I didn't have anyone to go pick it up for me. :( To you, a $100 is lousy, but to me, $100 free play is significant.

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I would never send someone for a lousy $100.

Also I rarely let anyone use my own personal card.

Read irony into that if you will.

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I just wish my free play wouldn't just sit there idle. The other week, I lost out on a free $140 because I didn't have anyone to go pick it up for me. :( To you, a $100 is lousy, but to me, $100 free play is significant.

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Go bum hunting. Find out where the homeless hang closest to that casino & find one to pick up your free play.

The payment to them will probably have to be highly front loaded on the first pickup so they have incentive to keep picking it up & not just bail on you with all your money the first time.

Also try to find one that is an alcoholic & avoid crackheads, methheads & opiate junkies. Those will all want the instant gratification of spending all the money at once to score foregoing any future pickups, but alcoholics tend to be better at understanding the long game of finance.

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I would never send someone for a lousy $100.

Also I rarely let anyone use my own personal card.

Read irony into that if you will.

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I just wish my free play wouldn't just sit there idle. The other week, I lost out on a free $140 because I didn't have anyone to go pick it up for me. :( To you, a $100 is lousy, but to me, $100 free play is significant.

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Go bum hunting. Find out where the homeless hang closest to that casino & find one to pick up your free play.

The payment to them will probably have to be highly front loaded on the first pickup so they have incentive to keep picking it up & not just bail on you with all your money the first time.

Also try to find one that is an alcoholic & avoid crackheads, methheads & opiate junkies. Those will all want the instant gratification of spending all the money at once to score foregoing any future pickups, but alcoholics tend to be better at understanding the long game of finance.

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I'm pretty sure a bum will just steal the money they were supposed to leave for me. For example, let's say the bum puts 45321 and 45376 shows up, resulting in a $150 free play. What's to say the Bum won't play the $150 free play, get $120 in cash and steal the entire $120 cash and leave me with nothing when they were supposed to take say $60 for themselves and give me the $60 in cash? :(

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I just wish my free play wouldn't just sit there idle. The other week, I lost out on a free $140 because I didn't have anyone to go pick it up for me. :( To you, a $100 is lousy, but to me, $100 free play is significant.

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Go bum hunting. Find out where the homeless hang closest to that casino & find one to pick up your free play.

The payment to them will probably have to be highly front loaded on the first pickup so they have incentive to keep picking it up & not just bail on you with all your money the first time.

Also try to find one that is an alcoholic & avoid crackheads, methheads & opiate junkies. Those will all want the instant gratification of spending all the money at once to score foregoing any future pickups, but alcoholics tend to be better at understanding the long game of finance.

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I'm pretty sure a bum will just steal the money they were supposed to leave for me. For example, let's say the bum puts 45321 and 45376 shows up, resulting in a $150 free play. What's to say the Bum won't play the $150 free play, get $120 in cash and steal the entire $120 cash and leave me with nothing when they were supposed to take say $60 for themselves and give me the $60 in cash? :(

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They may leave you with nothing, but you will leave a pile of shit on the floor as you are well know for doing.

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I just wish my free play wouldn't just sit there idle. The other week, I lost out on a free $140 because I didn't have anyone to go pick it up for me. :( To you, a $100 is lousy, but to me, $100 free play is significant.

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Go bum hunting. Find out where the homeless hang closest to that casino & find one to pick up your free play.

The payment to them will probably have to be highly front loaded on the first pickup so they have incentive to keep picking it up & not just bail on you with all your money the first time.

Also try to find one that is an alcoholic & avoid crackheads, methheads & opiate junkies. Those will all want the instant gratification of spending all the money at once to score foregoing any future pickups, but alcoholics tend to be better at understanding the long game of finance.

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I'm pretty sure a bum will just steal the money they were supposed to leave for me. For example, let's say the bum puts 45321 and 45376 shows up, resulting in a $150 free play. What's to say the Bum won't play the $150 free play, get $120 in cash and steal the entire $120 cash and leave me with nothing when they were supposed to take say $60 for themselves and give me the $60 in cash? :(

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Tasha, at a minimum you need to get yourself another card and YOU play 2 penny machines next to each other. Do you have a family member with the same last name? This way you can somewhat justify going up there by playing on 2 cards for the promotion.

If this place lets you run around and harass other players into using your card, it sounds like there not on top of it to start with. The way the promotion is right now, after you take the UBER, your net win is less than minimum wage.

Even if you only get $40 Freeplay to get in the door on the second card plus $12 per hour for the promo, assuming 6 hours = $72 +$40 = $112, combine that with your card and it beats a minimum wage job in Florida.

If you get caught with "moms" card, you probably get a warning. Worst case, they kick you out, You have nothing to lose, since your really not making anything with just one card anyway.

If your willing to ask complete strangers to use your card, this would be a piece of cake for you.

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Go bum hunting. Find out where the homeless hang closest to that casino & find one to pick up your free play.

The payment to them will probably have to be highly front loaded on the first pickup so they have incentive to keep picking it up & not just bail on you with all your money the first time.

Also try to find one that is an alcoholic & avoid crackheads, methheads & opiate junkies. Those will all want the instant gratification of spending all the money at once to score foregoing any future pickups, but alcoholics tend to be better at understanding the long game of finance.

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I'm pretty sure a bum will just steal the money they were supposed to leave for me. For example, let's say the bum puts 45321 and 45376 shows up, resulting in a $150 free play. What's to say the Bum won't play the $150 free play, get $120 in cash and steal the entire $120 cash and leave me with nothing when they were supposed to take say $60 for themselves and give me the $60 in cash? :(

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Tasha, at a minimum you need to get yourself another card and YOU play 2 penny machines next to each other. Do you have a family member with the same last name? This way you can somewhat justify going up there by playing on 2 cards for the promotion.

If this place lets you run around and harass other players into using your card, it sounds like there not on top of it to start with. The way the promotion is right now, after you take the UBER, your net win is less than minimum wage.

Even if you only get $40 Freeplay to get in the door on the second card plus $12 per hour for the promo, assuming 6 hours = $72 +$40 = $112, combine that with your card and it beats a minimum wage job in Florida.

If you get caught with "moms" card, you probably get a warning. Worst case, they kick you out, You have nothing to lose, since your really not making anything with just one card anyway.

If your willing to ask complete strangers to use your card, this would be a piece of cake for you.

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Actually, I don't really ask Strangers to play on my card anymore. I really don't have incentive to do that anymore since I am now a second Tier at three different Casinos and get at least $160 a month in free play offers at one of them. And next month the Bingo should be coming back at Gulfstream Park Casino, and Second Tier Card Players automatically get a free Bingo card, :) and a single Bingo card win is $100 in free play. :) With an $100 free play, you can easily earn four more bingo cards. :) The maximum Bingo cards is 5, and you can win $500 in free play. :) The final Bingo is worth $1,000 if you are the first to win Bingo. :)

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I would never send someone for a lousy $100.

Also I rarely let anyone use my own personal card.

Read irony into that if you will.

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Imagine doing this for a decade but still not being free of it. Living in nY with hardly enough money to last a handful of years yet you can’t help trying to convince everyone how smart you are. Just another low life looking for attention. Eventually your daughter will be taking care of you. Maybe she will let you fill the vending machines for $20 per hour in your old age. There’s one thing toll was right about you’re a fucking idiot. Go Jack a tranny dick bitch

Seedvalue, you shouldn't have hijacked my thread to insult Darkoz with your ridiculous nonsense. :(

Over at WOV
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb.../2/#post913745
DarkOz got tag Heuered with a 7 day suspension for making some false claim about MDawg (that I claimed to win every day of every week of every year at Baccarat). What's interesting is not that he was suspended for that obvious lie, but that he actually thought that quoting some entirely satirical brief post from REDietz that was written as a parody of EvenBob's baccarat claims, would pass muster with the Wizard. Now, THAT's an inaccurate mind, one that looks at things in a very off fashion, not thinking straight.

Yes, obviously he got caught trying to cash a check his mouth wrote that he couldn't cover, but that's not the point - that he would have presented such lame evidence to try to win his case, doesn't gibe with someone who claims to be the "Most Feared AP on the East Coast" and who is outwitting casinos right and left. Any right thinking person of intelligence would have just said that yes I said that and no there's no back up for it.

Okay yeah, meantime AxelWolf over at WOV is going on and on about how Tasha has autism
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info...47/#post913629
or some other "abnormal condition"
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info...47/#post913749
but I think it's DarkOz who suffers from some malady, I mean who would think that he could get away with beating the Coach Challenge with that sort of lame irrelevant evidence?

Yes, we know that DarkOz is stubborn like a mule, but here's more evidence that he's not all there which again - who cares, but how could someone like that run a team of equally misfit street people? and get by the casinos? Sure, the fact that I have been able to keep playing and winning big time these five years has something to do with they're not as clever as all that, but then where have I demonstrated that I'm not all there?

When you see the proof right in your face of how someone like UNKewlJ is weak and stupid, incapable of controlling his emotions and a very poor mathematician, abysmal judge of people incapable of even presenting his lies in any coherent fashion, you know that he's good for little more than street hustling, but DarkOz (while also, claiming to come homeless like UNKewlJ from the streets), you'd expect mounting evidence of cunning and sharpness while this latest episode just adds to that Dark isn't exactly a clear and present danger to the casino world.

https://i.imgur.com/e4c32cGh.jpg

For example, over at WOV if you read Mental's posts for as much as he is probably the type who sees patterns in words that aren't there, still the detail and coherence with which he explains what he's doing is indicative of independent, even, analytic thought - while DarkOz, his mishmash of jumbled trial and error doesn't reveal anything much behind the Great Oz curtain.

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For example, over at WOV if you read Mental's posts for as much as he is probably the type who sees patterns in words that aren't there, still the detail and coherence with which he explains what he's doing is indicative of independent, even, analytic thought - while DarkOz, his mishmash of jumbled trial and error doesn't reveal anything much behind the Great Oz curtain.

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I didn't know what your point is...

I do believe that mental is a very smart person doing what he claims.

I also believe DarkOz is making good money doing his thing.
Both can provide evidence that they have significant +EV.

Can you provide evidence you have +EV?

D.Oz claims to be using player cards to get free play.

Mental claims to be getting rebates from online casinos.

Just because it is possible to do both doesn’t mean either of them is actually doing this.

If you call claiming to do something which is possible “evidence” then you might as well believe FraudJ too.

The only person on these forums who has posted evidence consistently of winning is MDawg. Copies of checks marked “verified pit winnings,” actual logged in video of win loss statements, and all backed up with the MDawg Challenge.

As far as you you’ve neither claimed to be doing anything in particular nor provided any evidence. You just talk a lot in general about “plays” even D.Oz has given more detail than you.

You do have to admit too that the two people who have met you in person here Monet and your former associate the kid do have certain things to say about you. The one person on here who has met me has nothing negative to say about me.

BTW over at WOV you quoted yourself as having predicted the outcome of the Baccarat Coach’s Challenge but - that quote of yours does not exist. How does a person not just misquote himself but create a quote that never was.

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Well gee, that could be because you had the wiz sign a NDA.

You were an attorney once right? The NDA we executed covered whatever happened that one winning day. I’ve met and hung out with the Wizard many times since.

BTW other evidence I’ve posted include images of massive quantities of promo chips and loss rebate slips.

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The one person on here who has met me has nothing negative to say about me.

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Well gee, that could be because you had the wiz sign a NDA.

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---> Blessed Unrest: How the Largest Movement in the World Came into Being and Why No One Saw It Coming.

https://anagram-solver.net/Originall...0?partial=true


Compares favorably with "Another World Is Possible: How to Reignite Social and Political Imagination", from my post at, https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post170773 , which mentioned V's 5500th post yet to be made.

If I recall - it's similar to my mention of his next, yet-to-be-made 5362nd post, which had to do with averaging out the martingale suspensions at the WoV forum, which abstractly had to do with the averaging out the number of games over/under even for a team. Garnabby's Numeral, 5236, at
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post169371

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You were an attorney once right? The NDA we executed covered whatever happened that one winning day. I’ve met and hung out with the Wizard many times since.

BTW other evidence I’ve posted include images of massive quantities of promo chips and loss rebate slips.

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Years ago, I used to know this young guy who I went clubbing with frequently back in the day. He was some kind of agent/independent host. I'm not sure how all that worked or if he some kind of host license, or if you even need one. I know he had a gaming card. Anyways, he would bring in players to the casinos and negotiate deals for them. I know the casino gave him free play chips to divvy out among his players. He always had nice rooms, and comps along with VIP Club service. I'm not sure how well did for himself, he dressed well, a nice car and a fair apartment, but never seemed to have any money, but I guess that could have been various other reasons.

The problem Axel, with anything you say is that especially if it happened more than...a week ago, and especially if it happened "years ago" there is an almost certain chance that you are remembering the details wrong. Plus, you might not have been close enough to whatever was happening to even have known exactly what was happening in the first place.

Basically, I haven't seen you recall a single event from the past entirely accurately.

This guy could have been an actual host. He could have been someone who played himself. He could have been someone who brought in friends. The promo chips might have been given to him to distribute. The promo chips might have been handed directly to the players.

Almost nothing you recollect turns out to be exactly the way it happened.

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Plus if it was during your clubbing days you know you were drinking heavily during that time.

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Axelwolf was drunk 80% of the time I worked with him. He used to have me order his drinks for him, so that he could have two drinks at the same time. Always captain morgan.

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Let's just say that maybe things happened the way you recollect, and maybe not.

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You were an attorney once right? The NDA we executed covered whatever happened that one winning day. I’ve met and hung out with the Wizard many times since.

BTW other evidence I’ve posted include images of massive quantities of promo chips and loss rebate slips.

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Does the NDA allow him to confirm?

That whole thing is incredibly goofy and bizarre and I for one am happy to have never had an account.

Let's just remember that proving you sometimes win is not the same as proving you win in the longterm.

That is all.

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Posting about both loss rebates and promo chips completely exposes your little make believe fantasy story.

Loss rebates are given to players that lose. And to take advantage of a loss rebate (as a +EV advantage play), a player has to lose. Mdawg rarely posts about any losing sessions. I have no doubt he has many losing sessions and thus could get and play loss rebates, but it just is NOt what he posts and shares.

Promo chips are given to losing players. NOT players that have won millions over 5 years. You know what the absolute very first counter measure taken against a winning player is? Boneses, free play, promo chips are stopped. Before any backoffs, trespass, bet limits, the freebies are stopped. This is why real long-term winning players, especially table game players, play unrated.

Mdawg continuing to claim that he receives them is proof that he is losing and leaving out all the losing when he tells his little story. Basically, no different than any other degenerate gambler who loses and claims he is winning or "about even".

The problem with Mdawgs "story" has always been that he thinks the people on these forums, real APs and other real players don't know how the casino industry works.

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Let's just remember that proving you sometimes win is not the same as proving you win in the longterm.

That is all.

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Well, the win loss statements I provided were so heavily in the + that even if you go by what some of these guys (who don't even play rated, and definitely not at a private table where the chances that the tally will be off is about 0 - because you are the only player and they just count the rack before and after your session) claim, that "it is possible to fool the pit bosses by rat holing a chip here and there," still they are evidence of a year end win for each year that I played. At the time that I provided those win loss statements publicly I made a wager that if anyone could find a casino anywhere in Vegas where I played that was not reported, I would pay him hundreds of thousands of dollars. Since then I have provided those win losses and checks to the Wizard in private because too many oddballs were going to try to use the win numbers to figure out who I was.

Plus anyway, how would rat holing a chip create a larger win? It would actually create a smaller win report.

Keep in mind that these win loss statements were live video of me logged into my player account navigating around the pages and then landing on the win loss web pages.

And then, promo chips and loss rebate slips demonstrated that I am doing what I claim to be doing.

Huge checks marked "verified pit winnings" are evidence of wins.

Yes, true, every bit of evidence anyone could provide might also have an alternate explanation, but versus providing no evidence at all....


Don't forget too that in the DarkOz Challenge I played and won, all witnessed by the Wizard, and during that session I played the same way I had been playing any other day during that particular trip.

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The win loss statements that you provided are about as meaningful as pictures of Rob in a Newell RV at the dealership. Proves absolutely nothing!

If you wanted to really prove something......a real challenge and not some challenge weighed heavily in your favor, it would involve someone monitoring your play for a month. And then compare real results to ANY months results you have posted over the 5 years. Logistics would have to be worked out, but that is the real challenge that would prove you are a long-term winning player. And a number of people on both the forums (here and WoV) would take that challenge.

As far as FraudJ,

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and getting caught lying again and again!

Now continue on with your attacking and trying to discredit anyone that does know how things really work and challenges your bullshit story. :rolleyes:

When this is all said and done, some day I would like a simple answer to this question: What was this all about? A wealthy guy (to what degree is unknown) who made up such a story that defies the way the casinos and casino industries work, and spent 5 years on this story....for what? :confused::confused:

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#1 with this guy is how you can almost SEE & FEEL the puny little twit jumping up and down, screaming like a toddler who just got his baba taken away by a big bad bully. Bonus #2? He posts long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again.

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This is the big downfall of your whole story. Real players do not need to prove what they claim. What they claim works mathematically, that is doesn't defy the math. Nor does it defy the way the industry works, like patting a long-term winning player on the back and showering them with gifts.

It is like I always said, "it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". Every real player, advantage player or just recreational player knows what you claim is not the way it works. You aren't fooling 90% of the people who know how things work. You are only fooling the 10% who doesn't know and is gullible.

And lets compare that to myself. While people give me shit because they have decided they don't like me, every real player on this forum knows deep down what I claim is is true. Somebody (either Smurgersberger or accountinquestion) has posted several times that what really bothered them is that they believed me for so long and then saw me lie about the lawsuit.

They beleived me for so long because everything I shared is exactly the way the math works and the way the casinos and casino industry works. Nothing defied anything. And that is because everything I have shared over the years was real and true and not some made up story that defies everything like Mdawg posts. That is why they beleived me in the first place. because they figured out and knew it was true.

So when I lied about the lawsuit (not the backrooming, but the lawsuit), to protect myself, it hurt them deeply. Well guess what? AP's sometimes HAVE to lie and change details to protect themselves. It can be as mild as delaying telling a incident, to all out lying to protect themselves from certain information getting out. Anyone that doesn't understand that doesn't understand what advantage play at the level of playing for a living is about.

Now most APs just dont bother with forums, so they avoid this. And most that are on forums, don't share all that much about what they currently do. If they share something, it will be in the context of "years ago, there was this play..." The few of us that do share some of our experiences in almost real time, will occasionally get into a situation (often of our own doing) where we have to back track and lie to protect ourselves. Again, anyone who doesn't understand that, doesn't understand what it is to be an AP, playing for a living, especially playing table games.

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a real challenge would involve someone monitoring your play for a month. And a number of people on both the forums (here and WoV) would take that challenge.

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That's absurd. Name them.

Since vowing

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KJ is strange, pathetic, and downright boring. Mdawg has definitely taken up residency in KJs head. He was up all night writing about Mdawg and at it again this morning. Man crush?

It's the same old boring crap. Dog barking at a glass of water. He really shouldn't try to be a forum bounty hunter. Dying ain't much of a living.

One would think KJ would be more worried about his Las Vegas haters closing him on him and a career that is toast.

Big Ole El Cortez guy holding KJ by his feet over his patio. Much more interesting.

His roommates must avoid him like the plague.

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You’re right, the story isn’t about Mdawg (or the wizard for that matter), it’s about YOU, always about someone once upon a time wronged you for something petty as fuck you’re seemingly incapable of moving past, it’s ALWAYS been primarily about you.


Kew is simply incapable of letting anything, however minor, go.

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The problem with Mdawgs "story" has always been that he thinks the people on these forums, real APs and other real players don't know how the casino industry works.

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This guy seems to know how the casino industry works, and his experience contradicts your conjecture.

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Unless the casinos believe that you are doing something nefarious they will continue to do whatever it takes to continue to get you to play at their place. At the highest levels they understand the math and past performance has no bearing on future performance. They probably have scrutinized the bettor and not found anything suspicious. Let them keep playing and eventually the math will kick in.

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It is about you lying constantly !!!!

This whole math thing. Let me tell you something, Kewl. To the sharper people on here it becomes increasingly apparently that you based your whole facade around being believable. Where the math "works". When you're in a really bad spot you fall back on the "why don't you believe me because the math works". It is sad. I'm not sure what drives you to continue with this charade.

Anyone thinking I am bullying this dude REMEMBER he just threatened to dox someone. In addition, even though he calls people "sand n" when it suits him - he threatened to call the local news station to put pressure on Druff.

Kewl, the improbability of what all you have claimed is 0. Absolutely 0. This is why we get annoyed with you. Go find some other forum to give everyone gambling advice. JFC

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Since vowing that he will no longer post to MDawg or about MDawg, he has done nothing but post to/about MDawg!

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Yeah and several weeks ago Mdawg wrote something to the effect that he was done gambling and posting this ridiculous story. he said he had other bigger financial opportunities that would take up his time coming up. And now he is back continuing to pump this stupid and ridiculous story. :rolleyes:

As long as you continue to do so, I will be there to remind people that your claims defy both the math and the way the casino industry works.

Loss rebates and promo chips for a player that has won millions OVER years. ---get the fuck out of here dude. :cool:

Being a long-term winning player is an art. It is something players have to work at and fight with the casinos every step of the way. We have to take it....no one gives it to us.

I am not just going to sit here and let you claim this bullshit. It is disrespectful to not only myself, but every other AP and real winning player on this forum (even those that have decided they don't like me) that works hard at being a winning player.

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I don't want to hear some heroic noble BS about how nobody's going to run me off BS. I'm not an idiot, that's not what this is about.

If I had to ask myself and wonder why someone would stay and keep taking a pounding while taking into account all the bad things they claim have happened to them....

I would have to guess that it's all BS, therefore nothing bad has ever happened to them, and therefore there's no real reason to leave/ stop.

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How many times does he need to suffer thru "It just isn't fair that MDawg gets to claim he wins all the time with comps, gifts and special treatment, and he gets support & cover from Benedict Shack and other Richard Potatoes from the gaming forums' group of administrators!" "Can't you people see how much this HURTS me when I can't do anything about it?"

Yes....kew IS the architect of his own suffering. While other disbelievers aren't affected one bit by what MDawg does or says, kew let's it get so far under his skin that it's beginning to spell I AM A FOOL all over his wimpy body

How about some truth about his obsession for a refreshing change. Kew is so extraordinarily jealous of the guy because he knows he has wealth far beyond anything kew will ever see. He also despises him for being normal and not being afflicted with that short circuit in his brain. Covering up this ball of envy with rambling posts of "I'm an educator on LV gambling operation, and I say THAT'S NOT HOW THIS CITY WORKS!"

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The problem with Mdawgs "story" has always been that he thinks the people on these forums, real APs and other real players don't know how the casino industry works.

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This guy seems to know how the casino industry works, and his experience contradicts your conjecture.

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Unless the casinos believe that you are doing something nefarious they will continue to do whatever it takes to continue to get you to play at their place. At the highest levels they understand the math and past performance has no bearing on future performance. They probably have scrutinized the bettor and not found anything suspicious. Let them keep playing and eventually the math will kick in.

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You are conflating short term vs long term, coach belly. Drich was not talking about a player that has stayed at casinos and played over 50% of the days over the last 5 years and WON millions.

Similarly,, Eliot once talked about a case (in Asian) that he was called in where the player was a head after 3 years. That was a player that made a handful of trips a year, for a couple days at a time. So several years was 40-50 days play. That is NOT longterm. the math hadn't kicked in for such an amount of play. THAT is what the casino was trying to determine, which is why they called in Eliot and other gambling math experts.

Mdawgs claims are now 5 years and running. And unlike the guy that played a handful of trips a year, Mdawg's claims have him spending 50% or more days/nights in Vegas over those 5 years. That is 1000+ days worth of play. What he is claiming can't be just variance or good luck. So no the casinos would not tolerate this bullshit waiting for his luck to turn. They would have cut him off part way through that first 7 month trip where he initially claimed to have won half a million while living in casinos for 7 straight months. (before later changing that claim to "about even")

the story is just bullshit and people like you, where you honestly don't know, or are pretending you don't know is bullshit as well. THAT is what you have always done coach belling. You defended Singer for a decade and defended 18 y.o. in a row as well. You are either a liar or stupid as hell. I am guessing a liar.

In the end, everyone got it.

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You just lie a lot KewlJ, sorry, to try to make your point.

In my opinion, you are just talking to yourself and have accomplished nothing other than proving that you are OBSESSED with mDawg.

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It is about you lying constantly !!!!

This whole math thing. Let me tell you something, Kewl. To the sharper people on here it becomes increasingly apparently that you based your whole facade around being believable. Where the math "works". When you're in a really bad spot you fall back on the "why don't you believe me because the math works". It is sad. I'm not sure what drives you to continue with this charade.

Anyone thinking I am bullying this dude REMEMBER he just threatened to dox someone. In addition, even though he calls people "sand n" when it suits him - he threatened to call the local news station to put pressure on Druff.

Kewl, the improbability of what all you have claimed is 0. Absolutely 0. This is why we get annoyed with you. Go find some other forum to give everyone gambling advice. JFC

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Lol I hate reading my own posts after I forget them. I see all my cringable errors.

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Mdawg's claims have him spending 50% or more days/nights in Vegas over those 5 years. That is 1000+ days worth of play.

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But I do know this, it is routine for tewlj to make shit up on the fly to push his false narratives. He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. So I call into question the "facts" tewlj attributed to MDawg's posts.

I don't have time to do it but I bet if I went over to WoV and read MDawg's thread, what MDawg actually wrote, and what tewlj says he wrote, are probably vastly different.

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The 2021 trip, which was the longest, added up to about 175 days of play in 2021.

2023, for example, was under 100. 2018, maybe a dozen days of play.

Sum total for five years nowhere near 1000 let alone 1000+.

Keep those lies comin' FraudJ!

Why not show us how desperate you are to be believed and lie again about coming up with another player record for someone you claim is MDawg!

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(4) the nonsense about MGM execs showing up at his apartment on Halloween to give him player records

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That's absolutely true.

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I'd worry a lot more about talking shit, all of the time, while making out that you're the "cream of the crop" in leading everyone on. Ha.

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Lol I hate reading my own posts after I forget them. I see all my cringable errors.

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The 2021 trip, which was the longest, added up to about 175 days of play in 2021.

2023, for example, was under 100. 2018, maybe a dozen days of play.

Sum total for five years nowhere near 1000 let alone 1000+.

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I am not going to argue with you over exact number of days. I added up.....at least what you reported at different times. I am not going to waste my time doing so again. And it doesn't even matter if it is 1000+ or 800 over 5 years. This amount of play puts it into longer term. And if a player is winning after such a period the casino is going to take action! And the very first thing they will do is cut out all the freebies and gifts and that inc,.ludes promos chips, and loss rebate offers.

If you are still getting those.....then you are losing overall. Everyone has always known there is a big difference in what you are reporting on forums and what you results actually are. In other words, you aren't reporting all or most of the losing sessions/days. You claiming to still be getting promo chips and other lucrative offers proves that, whether you want to admit it or not. Like I said, you have always thought that the people you are talking to on these forums don't understand how things work, when most being, Aps and real players absolutely do.

If you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over maybe you'll convince yourself. Of that you're mentally ill.

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What's obvious is that besides being a compulsive liar, that UNKewlJ is mentally ill. Only mental illness could explain the erratic back and forth quitting forums, lying, admitting lies, disavowing lies, and the torrential flow of illogic and manic repeating himself the same way with most every post.

Psychiatry, clinical psychology. Impulse-control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, an urge, or an impulse; or having the inability to not speak on a thought. That's the UNKewl one to a T!
He knows it is in his best interests to abandon these forums and mind his own low level red to green chip business and yet...he can't help himself!

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The 2021 trip, which was the longest, added up to about 175 days of play in 2021. 2023, for example, was under 100.

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175 days of play for an attorney with an active practice: hello degeneracy (the Days of Covid notwithstanding).

Good to see that you seem to realize you've got a gambling problem, dawg: smart of you to decrease your overnights in sin city.

But will you EVER get the gamblin' monkey off your back?

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Drich was not talking about a player that has stayed at casinos and played over 50% of the days over the last 5 years and WON millions.

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DRich is obviously aware of MDawg's adventures, and he was talking about MDawg.

Jacobsen wrote about a player who WON 10+ million over 3 years, and did not get cut off from VIP treatment.

For all you know, he wagered more in those 3 years than MDawg has during his adventures, and got comped more than MD has.

Why did he not get cut off? Because unless the casinos believe that you are doing something nefarious they will continue to do whatever it takes to continue to get you to play at their place.

Industry experts say that's how Las Vegas works.

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I am guessing a liar.

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The 2021 trip, which was the longest, added up to about 175 days of play in 2021. 2023, for example, was under 100.

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175 days of play for an attorney with an active practice: hello degeneracy (the Days of Covid notwithstanding).

Good to see that you seem to realize you've got a gambling problem, dawg: smart of you to decrease your overnights in sin city.

But will you EVER get the gamblin' monkey off your back?

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A full on gambling addiction will destroy a family more than a low-level drug addiction.

Yes look at UNKewlJ he just PRETENDS to play, doesn't even - and look how it has messed up his life and led to constant lying.

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This tells me you're lying in more than one instance here.

Is somebody paying you to concoct this stuff? When you continually proselytize on and on about "AP this and AP that" it only confirms that you have a non-life who hasn't had much experience in anything.

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DRich is obviously aware of MDawg's adventures, and he was talking about MDawg.

Jacobsen wrote about a player who WON 10+ million over 3 years, and did not get cut off from VIP treatment.

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I don't know whether Drich was speaking of Mdawg or not. I don't think he was. I think he was just speaking in general terms, casinos want to get their money back, assuming they don't believe the player is doing something that gives him an advantage. If a casino thinks a player is playing at an advantage, boom...they pull the plug. Why would they allow the player to keep playing hoping he loses if they know or even think he is playing with an advantage.

And you are mis-representing the scenario that Eliot spoke of. You have mis-represented that for years. I know, because I spoke privately to Eliot specifically about this situation. This was a very high roller (much higher than what Mdawg plays), so the multiple millions this guy was ahead, doesn't compare to Mdawg, and more importantly, nor does the time frame.

This guy made a handful of trips over 3 year. Maybe 12 to 15 over the 3 years. THAT is a very small sample size and someone could very easily be on the positive side of variance or the bell curve. THAT is exactly why they called several experts in to evaluate.

Contrary Mdawg claims he is a ahead millions over 5 years playing hundreds of days a year. That is NOT a small sample size. The casinos especially in Vegas, just aren't going to allow that. It is nonsense.

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I am guessing a liar.

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What lies have I told?

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When you support these things like Singers claims, Mdawgs claims, and even the late Alan Mendelson's 18 y.o. in a row claim, you are either a very dumb gambling fuck, degenerate gambler type, or you are a lair. Although you are an asshole, I don't think you are quite that stupid. If I am right then you are a liar! (intentionally supporting this shit you KNOW is bullshit.

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How many times does UNKewlJ need to suffer thru "It just isn't fair that MDawg gets to claim he wins all the time with comps, gifts and special treatment, and he gets support & cover from Benedict Shack and other Richard Potatoes from the gaming forums' group of administrators!" "Can't you people see how much this HURTS me when I can't do anything about it?"

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Mdawg claims he is a ahead millions over 5 years playing hundreds of days a year.

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How many calendar days you play is not a mathematical consideration, it's all one session as far as the math goes.

What matters is how much you wager, and how many wagers are resolved.

As far as you know, Jacobsen's big winner wagered far more and had many more wagers resolved than MDawg, even if he took fewer trips and played fewer days or sessions.

Or, he could have played as you claim to be playing now...larger wagers over fewer sessions. You are playing fewer days, but your earn is the same or better than when Max saw you grinding out red chips 7x52.

Now...what lies are you accusing me of telling?

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If a casino thinks a player is playing at an advantage, boom...they pull the plug. Why would they allow the player to keep playing hoping he loses if they know or even think he is playing with an advantage.

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How does this apply to MDawg? Are you assuming that the casinos think or know that MDawg is playing with an advantage?

Query, who's the bigger bulls-shitter, the kewl-J or the singer, hey hey????

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If a casino thinks a player is playing at an advantage, boom...they pull the plug. Why would they allow the player to keep playing hoping he loses if they know or even think he is playing with an advantage.

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How does this apply to MDawg? Are you assuming that the casinos think or know that MDawg is playing with an advantage?

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Just stop it! Mdawg is a losing gambler who is comped accordingly. And because he is comped well is proof that he is a losing player. If he was doing all the winning he claims, his comps and offered would have stopped years ago. He just leaves out the reports that are losing sessions or days

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If you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over maybe you'll convince yourself. Of that you're mentally ill.

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What's obvious is that besides being a compulsive liar, that UNKewlJ is mentally ill. Only mental illness could explain the erratic back and forth quitting forums, lying, admitting lies, disavowing lies, and the torrential flow of illogic and manic repeating himself the same way with most every post.

Psychiatry, clinical psychology. Impulse-control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, an urge, or an impulse; or having the inability to not speak on a thought. That's the UNKewl one to a T!
He knows it is in his best interests to abandon these forums and mind his own low level red to green chip business and yet...he can't help himself!

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If a casino thinks a player is playing at an advantage, boom...they pull the plug. Why would they allow the player to keep playing hoping he loses if they know or even think he is playing with an advantage.

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How does this apply to MDawg? Are you assuming that the casinos think or know that MDawg is playing with an advantage?

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Just stop it! Mdawg is a losing gambler who is comped accordingly. And because he is comped well is proof that he is a losing player. If he was doing all the winning he claims, his comps and offered would have stopped years ago. He just leaves out the reports that are losing sessions or days

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This is just wrong ! The level of comps are not proof a player is losing. In fact one could use a lose at one game as cover for an advantage at another game. This works when jumping from slots to tables back to slots. The loss shown might not even be a loss depending on what is being done.

A losing player gets more time in even if they suspect he may have an advantage. A counter for example who is losing three times the amount playing slots or craps will be tolerated in all most every casino.

This is why team play works so well in todays a sweaty environments. A well oiled team of players can counter all most any scenario. Not so easy for the lone wolf or in kews case the lone stall sucker of Vegas

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This is just wrong ! The level of comps are not proof a player is losing. In fact one could use a lose at one game as cover for an advantage at another game. This works when jumping from slots to tables back to slots. The loss shown might not even be a loss depending on what is being done.

A losing player gets more time in even if they suspect he may have an advantage. A counter for example who is losing three times the amount playing slots or craps will be tolerated in all most every casino.

This is why team play works so well in todays a sweaty environments. A well oiled team of players can counter all most any scenario. Not so easy for the lone wolf or in kews case the lone stall sucker of Vegas

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Seedvalue, if you want to converse with me, then stop the homophobic attacks and slurs, ala Singer and Mdawg (and of late Maxpen). I have done or said nothing to you to deserve that.

I respect you as an AP. You know how I always say it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about (is legit) and who is just talking? even though I may not do, nor even be familiar with a lot of what you do, it is clear to me that you are legit.

That being said, do you play a lot of table games? I have not heard you talk about it much. I am sure you do at times if there is some advantage, but I suspect not too much right?

There is a very big difference between playing primarily table games at an advantage and playing machines. Surveillance can look down at a card counter/table game player and see what they are doing to get an advantage. With machine players it is not so cut and dry. They may not have all the information, like free play amounts and such because there is such a disconnect between marketing and surveillance (and security). This disconnect can be seen when table players are 86ed, and still receive offers in the mail. Sometimes for years.

The other big difference is machine players have to deal with surveillance only, while table players deal with live casino people right there at their game observing their play, in pit folks and dealers who will rat you out to pit folks.

And in the higher limit areas and even more with private tables like Mdawg claims there are even MORE eyes on your play. No one is going to get away with what Mdawg claims for years and millions of dollars. They just aren't. What he claims just isn't reality.

SV, you have to understand that UNKewlJ has never rated for better than a free hot dog. As you and MaxPen and other APs have observed, he just plays a lil red green action just mindlessly moving some small chips round for cover while trying to hustle as a male prostitute. He'd be straight thrown out (and his brittle bones couldn't handle it) if he tried to straight hustle, so he plays a little as cover while he's ploying a profession as old as mankind itself.

He can't even keep his story straight - sometimes he claims that he never has played rated, other times he slips and claims that he has.

Whatever he knows about casinos comes from what he lifted from other sources, and anything he observes that doesn't gibe with what he has studied up, drives him batty.

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The UNKewl one was a liar, and like most liars, he was constantly changing his stories, altering time and personnel from one telling to the next. One time he would tell a story about someone, next time he would switch the story around to give himself the lead. He would sit in the casino coffee shop over coffee and pound cake, talking at random about his experiences, posting constantly on internet forums, plotting ways to take down all those he is envious of, never actually entering the casino, afraid like a nervous poodle to even play.

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Surveillance can look down at a card counter/table game player and see what they are doing to get an advantage.

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If you don't believe that MDawg is playing with an advantage, then what's your point?...why do you keep bringing this up?

Are you saying that he cannot win unless he's playing with an advantage that the casino can detect?

I was at Harrah's San Diego a couple weeks ago and this lady had a stack of cards that she was activating free play on. Each one was for $5, at most $15... She had at least 20 cards it was a joke.

When Mandalay Bay opened anyone who ran action got at least $5 freeplay the next day. It automatically went on the cards and you didn't need a pin number.

The card readers turned green when a card was inserted. If someone left their card in the machine the card reader would turn red.

Dudes were walking around looking for abandoned cards all day. You could see the red card readers from halfway across the casino.

Then the next morning you would see hustlers with a big stack of cards running off the freeplay.

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This is just wrong ! The level of comps are not proof a player is losing. In fact one could use a lose at one game as cover for an advantage at another game. This works when jumping from slots to tables back to slots. The loss shown might not even be a loss depending on what is being done.

A losing player gets more time in even if they suspect he may have an advantage. A counter for example who is losing three times the amount playing slots or craps will be tolerated in all most every casino.

This is why team play works so well in todays a sweaty environments. A well oiled team of players can counter all most any scenario. Not so easy for the lone wolf or in kews case the lone stall sucker of Vegas

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Seedvalue, if you want to converse with me, then stop the homophobic attacks and slurs, ala Singer and Mdawg (and of late Maxpen). I have done or said nothing to you to deserve that.

I respect you as an AP. You know how I always say it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about (is legit) and who is just talking? even though I may not do, nor even be familiar with a lot of what you do, it is clear to me that you are legit.

That being said, do you play a lot of table games? I have not heard you talk about it much. I am sure you do at times if there is some advantage, but I suspect not too much right?

There is a very big difference between playing primarily table games at an advantage and playing machines. Surveillance can look down at a card counter/table game player and see what they are doing to get an advantage. With machine players it is not so cut and dry. They may not have all the information, like free play amounts and such because there is such a disconnect between marketing and surveillance (and security). This disconnect can be seen when table players are 86ed, and still receive offers in the mail. Sometimes for years.

The other big difference is machine players have to deal with surveillance only, while table players deal with live casino people right there at their game observing their play, in pit folks and dealers who will rat you out to pit folks.

And in the higher limit areas and even more with private tables like Mdawg claims there are even MORE eyes on your play. No one is going to get away with what Mdawg claims for years and millions of dollars. They just aren't. What he claims just isn't reality.

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I’ve explained to you countless times I run teams that play everything. My knowledge is not limited to one vertical even tho I’ve spent many hours posting things about free play mostly because of Darkoz running his trap and destroying certain plays in 2022. Free play or free bets are usually part of the plays we run, but often are just the cherry on top. My point is just because a casino is comping a player big doesn’t prove he is losing. Everyone on my teams are losers. If they start to win they are rotated out. It’s why most of the time a back off from tables comes with a caveat. They are often free to play anything else because they are indeed losers. I’m not going to walk you down the road any further. Just know there are thousands of casinos in the world and they all want and love losers.

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When Mandalay Bay opened anyone who ran action got at least $5 freeplay the next day. It automatically went on the cards and you didn't need a pin number.

The card readers turned green when a card was inserted. If someone left their card in the machine the card reader would turn red.

Dudes were walking around looking for abandoned cards all day. You could see the red card readers from halfway across the casino.

Then the next morning you would see hustlers with a big stack of cards running off the freeplay.

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That's actually not a bad hustle but it's VERY risky. On a side note, how were they able to play the free play without the pin? Surely they don't know complete Stranger's pin numbers, especially when the pin is a six digit pin like Gulfstream Park Casino does. If you had said the Hustlers were purposely leaving THEIR own cards in the machine and hoping random people play on their cards inadvertently earning them the free play and then came back after the random Stranger lost all their money and left, that would make a lot of sense. In two of my local Casinos, there is like a 30 minute window before the card has the "Session abandoned," thing. In my other local Casinos, the window is only like a five minute window before the "Session abandoned," thing comes up. So theoretically a Hustler can purposely abandon his card in the still active machine and let some random stranger play and lose on his card and earn him the free play and then come back and start playing on his card again and get the free play. A 30 minute window is extremely generous.

Casinos issue comp based on theo loss, at least in Vegas. In California joints comp are issued on actual loss. And casinos think that baccarats is the unbeatable proposition though I don't expect a mental midget like the kewl-J to comprehend, hey hey.