Fucking bait and switch for Tier at Seminole Casinos! :(

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12-15-2023, 09:50 AM
Tasha

Fucking bait and switch for Tier at Seminole Casinos! :(

So, I got a message saying something like," Second Tier, Legend. 1,362 Tier Points. Goal is 1,469 points by 12/31/2023 to maintain Legend Status. I played about 120 points, making 1,482 points. Goal achieved, right? WRONG. I got a new message saying something like,Goal to maintain Legend Status is 2,518 more points. Fucking bait and switch. 2,518 points is $15,108 coin in. There's no way I'll have $15,108 coin in to by December 31st. It was hard enough for me to reach $1,482 points(Took over three MONTHS) and they are asking for more than double that in coin in in 16 DAYS. Fuck that shit! :mad:

At least in Gulfstream Park, once you reach the Second Tier (Silver) you have a full six months to maintain it until you get dropped back to First Tier(Bronze) , not 16 DAYS.
12-15-2023, 11:17 AM
Don Perignom

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Originally Posted by Tasha

in coin in in

So, that's a lot of ins.

How are you already Legend? Website says 4000 tier points to qualify.
12-15-2023, 11:24 AM
Tasha

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Originally Posted by Don Perignom

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Originally Posted by Tasha

in coin in in

So, that's a lot of ins.

How are you already Legend? Website says 4000 tier points to qualify.

I am Legend at Seminole Casinos because Seminole Casinos do the Matching Tier program from other Casinos:) I am Silver (Second Tier) at Gulfstream Park Casino, so I automatically became a Legend at Seminole Casinos. :)
12-15-2023, 11:40 AM
kewlJ

Casinos using bait and switch? So it aint so. :rolleyes:

I don't have a lot of experience with this and none recently, but back when I was playing VP for mailers, I used my presidential tier at Stations, to match tier at the LVH (formerly Hilton, now Westgate) on my first visit there. While they did match tier, they didn't give you long to maintain it. I forget the details but it may have been if you earned the tier at their casino you had 6 months to match, but if you initially got it by tier match, you had 3 months to match.

That sounds like what you are going through. Basically they are willing to match tier, but want you to prove you actually play at the level pretty quickly. They don't want to give you that level (for whatever it is worth) for very long, based on play somewhere else.
12-15-2023, 11:59 AM
jdog

This does not surprise me at all Tasha because the Unity rewards system is very much a work in progress right now. My account was all screwed up after we got back from the Mirage and ultimately had to get on the phone with customer service to get it fixed. Every other day my online portal shows something different. They're spamming me with email everyday even though I have that shut off.... same BS, different company.

Who cares about tiers anyway? They're fairly meaningless until you reach one that eliminates resort fees, in this case that would be Icon.
12-15-2023, 12:09 PM
kewlJ

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Originally Posted by jdog

Who cares about tiers anyway? They're fairly meaningless until you reach one that eliminates resort fees, in this case that would be Icon.

There was a bill introduced in Congress a couple years ago that would have eliminated resort fees, under the premise of misleading advertising. It seemed like that bill has support on both sides, but obviously went nowhere. I wonder which side of the aisle, the casino lobby got to in order to dead end it?
12-15-2023, 12:16 PM
jdog

As I understand it the resort fee thing was a product of the discount hotel websites. Apparently once one or two of them were able to successfully use the fee to bait and switch customers by showing a lower rate compared to others, they all had to follow suit to appear competitive. Too bad a suit was not filed early on, probably would have been the only way to stop it... too late now.
12-15-2023, 12:31 PM
kewlJ

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Originally Posted by jdog

As I understand it the resort fee thing was a product of the discount hotel websites. Apparently once one or two of them were able to successfully use the fee to bait and switch customers by showing a lower rate compared to others, they all had to follow suit to appear competitive. Too bad a suit was not filed early on, probably would have been the only way to stop it... too late now.

It doesn't have to be "too late now", but it would take a well financed, deep pocket, class action type law suit. Joe smoe suing because he was mislead won't get it done.

Should be pretty simple though. A few years ago when Strip Hotels casinos had extremely low prices on weekdays, like $19, $29, you would see places like Imperial Palace, Circus Circus, the Strat advertising $19 rates, which grew to $50 bucks with resort fees. How can that be anything but false advertising?

Airlines do similar. Advertised air fares don't even include an extra charge for a seat. :D Can you decline the seat and offer to stand for the trip? That would be the only way that advertises price wasn't false advertising.
12-15-2023, 12:42 PM
jdog

Sure you can decline the seat charge, but then they pick the seat for you. I've done it many times.

The most interesting thing about airline charges is the airfare tax evasion most of the discount airlines are doing now. Detailed charges show airfare as $1 or something ridiculous and then they hit you with a $20-40 fee for using the internet to book your ticket. https://thriftytraveler.com/guides/a...-booking-fees/
12-15-2023, 12:43 PM
Tasha

At least 120 in Tier Points guarantees TWO Bingo packs, so I should be able to win at least one bingo for about $400, right? WRONG. I lost all five rounds of morning Bingo. I am going to do three rounds of the night Bingo, promise to God dnd hope I get at least one Bingo.
12-15-2023, 12:47 PM
kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Tasha

At least 120 in Tier Points guarantees TWO Bingo packs, so I should be able to win at least one bingo for about $400, right? WRONG. I lost all five rounds of morning Bingo. I am going to do three rounds of the night Bingo, promise to God dnd hope I get at least one Bingo.

Your stories crack me up Tasha. :)

I have no idea about Bingo, nor much desire to learn. But I am just curious, what is the math behind you "expecting" to win with two cards?
12-15-2023, 01:31 PM
Tasha

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Tasha

At least 120 in Tier Points guarantees TWO Bingo packs, so I should be able to win at least one bingo for about $400, right? WRONG. I lost all five rounds of morning Bingo. I am going to do three rounds of the night Bingo, promise to God dnd hope I get at least one Bingo.

Your stories crack me up Tasha. :)

I have no idea about Bingo, nor much desire to learn. But I am just curious, what is the math behind you "expecting" to win with two cards?

I won $600 with just ONE Bingo card on November 2nd. :)
12-15-2023, 01:32 PM
jbjb

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Originally Posted by Tasha

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Tasha

At least 120 in Tier Points guarantees TWO Bingo packs, so I should be able to win at least one bingo for about $400, right? WRONG. I lost all five rounds of morning Bingo. I am going to do three rounds of the night Bingo, promise to God dnd hope I get at least one Bingo.

Your stories crack me up Tasha. :)

I have no idea about Bingo, nor much desire to learn. But I am just curious, what is the math behind you "expecting" to win with two cards?

I won $600 with just ONE Bingo card on November 2nd. :)

Confirmation Bias.
12-15-2023, 01:56 PM
Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Tasha

At least 120 in Tier Points guarantees TWO Bingo packs, so I should be able to win at least one bingo for about $400, right? WRONG. I lost all five rounds of morning Bingo. I am going to do three rounds of the night Bingo, promise to God dnd hope I get at least one Bingo.

Your stories crack me up Tasha. :)

I have no idea about Bingo, nor much desire to learn. But I am just curious, what is the math behind you "expecting" to win with two cards?

Gee....I'll take a crack at this for the mathematically incompetent kew: TWO CARDS = TWICE AS MUCH OPPORTUNITY TO WIN OVER JUST HAVING ONE CARD. And you will NEVER know your true odds unless you know how many cards are being played by all participants.

No wonder you have "no desire to learn". Tuff stuff.
12-15-2023, 02:13 PM
kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Tasha

At least 120 in Tier Points guarantees TWO Bingo packs, so I should be able to win at least one bingo for about $400, right? WRONG. I lost all five rounds of morning Bingo. I am going to do three rounds of the night Bingo, promise to God dnd hope I get at least one Bingo.

Your stories crack me up Tasha. :)

I have no idea about Bingo, nor much desire to learn. But I am just curious, what is the math behind you "expecting" to win with two cards?

Gee....I'll take a crack at this for the mathematically incompetent kew: TWO CARDS = TWICE AS MUCH OPPORTUNITY TO WIN OVER JUST HAVING ONE CARD. And you will NEVER know your true odds unless you know how many cards are being played by all participants.

No wonder you have "no desire to learn". Tuff stuff.

Don't you ever tire of embarrassing and making a Singer (fool) of yourself?

I clearly was interested in Tasha's logic behind the following statement: "At least 120 in Tier Points guarantees TWO Bingo packs, so I should be able to win at least one bingo for about $400, right?"
12-15-2023, 02:37 PM
MDawg

Actually Tasha's play is monstrous compared to the petty red green chip blackjack the male prostitute plays for sugar daddy search cover, and the also for cover low end video poker he has been observed playing for years now.
12-15-2023, 02:54 PM
kewlJ

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Originally Posted by MDawg

Actually Tasha's play is monstrous compared to the petty red green chip blackjack the male prostitute plays for sugar daddy search cover, and the also for cover low end video poker he has been observed playing for years now.

Mdawg do you think this is some sort of troll debate, where you score troll points for getting in the most "Mother army boots" or "homeless" busts? Sad:(

I know you are crushed that the Mdawg fairytale adventure is over, with no one left believing. And that you blame me for that, when it really wasn't me, but YOU. But all you are doing now is proving what most of us knew, that you are nothing more than an internet troll willing to lie and make shit up.
12-15-2023, 03:24 PM
Tasha

Well, another silver lining and saving grace is that it wasn't MY money that earned the roughly 120 points. I asked a few people to play on my card , and they did. :) One person earned me roughly 70 points! :)
12-15-2023, 04:04 PM
MisterV

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by MDawg

Actually Tasha's play is monstrous compared to the petty red green chip blackjack the male prostitute plays for sugar daddy search cover, and the also for cover low end video poker he has been observed playing for years now.

Mdawg do you think this is some sort of troll debate, where you score troll points for getting in the most "Mother army boots" or "homeless" busts? Sad:(

I know you are crushed that the Mdawg fairytale adventure is over, with no one left believing. And that you blame me for that, when it really wasn't me, but YOU. But all you are doing now is proving what most of us knew, that you are nothing more than an internet troll willing to lie and make shit up.

KJ, you aren't the ONLY one that unmasked the dawg: I called bullshit early on and still do.

But...he hones in on you like a hungry dog on a bone, but knows better than to seriously fuck with me.

Ever wonder "why?"
12-15-2023, 04:38 PM
kewlJ

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Originally Posted by MisterV

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Actually Tasha's play is monstrous compared to the petty red green chip blackjack the male prostitute plays for sugar daddy search cover, and the also for cover low end video poker he has been observed playing for years now.

Mdawg do you think this is some sort of troll debate, where you score troll points for getting in the most "Mother army boots" or "homeless" busts? Sad:(

I know you are crushed that the Mdawg fairytale adventure is over, with no one left believing. And that you blame me for that, when it really wasn't me, but YOU. But all you are doing now is proving what most of us knew, that you are nothing more than an internet troll willing to lie and make shit up.

KJ, you aren't the ONLY one that unmasked the dawg: I called bullshit early on and still do.

But...he hones in on you like a hungry dog on a bone, but knows better than to seriously fuck with me.

Ever wonder "why?"

Of course I am not the only one, MrV. There were dozens of real players, from recreational to professional that called BS.

Oh I think I know why he has singled me out. But would like to hear why you think it is.
12-15-2023, 05:21 PM
MisterV

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Oh I think I know why he has singled me out. But would like to hear why you think it is.

Mostly because I am his peer, i.e. an attorney well trained in the art of verbal fisticuffs, but also because I'm not gay.
12-15-2023, 05:51 PM
MDawg

It has mostly to do with that V eeeeased back into his easy chair, (perhaps took a puff or two), and started acting more or less civilly towards me so I started returning the same in kind.

Sure, he still tries to get in a few fightin' words here and there but then so do I.

For the most part though, All Quiet on the MDawg-V Front. (That's another reference to a literary work or movie that UNKewlJ I'm sure just blinks at blankly with those Pac Islander eyes.)

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Wrong

You're black hair tanned Asian looking fella. Pac Islander fits very well. Do you honestly think people would believe you are describing yourself after all you have supposedly done to protect your identity. You can't make this shit up....lol
12-15-2023, 06:11 PM
kewlJ

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but also because I'm not gay.

Bingo! You KNOW this is the issue with most of these guys because they basically say so with their attacks and insults. Mdawg actually tried to hide it for a while, but now has come around full homophobe, just like Singer and some of the others. The only place in my life that being gay is an issue for anyone is on this forum. A forum dominated by mostly older bigots that are incapable of adjusting to life in the real world, or tolerating anyone different than they are in any way.

Of course Mdawg is now on this Pacific Islander kick, when I am no more Pacific Islander than I am an alien from outer space. I know he thinks he is scoring some kind of troll points (I wish I understood how the whole troll scoring point system worked), but it would be like if I kept referring to him as Latino, maybe calling him a wetback, when I know he isn't. Just doesn't make any sense.

Anyway, I am not trying to understand how troll mentality works.
12-15-2023, 06:16 PM
MDawg

If UNKewlJ really is white, and not Asian, and he really does play blackjack, then why wouldn’t he relish the opportunity to have people run down the wrong rabbit hole of misidentifying him?

By constantly denying his Pac Islander appearance and trying to claim that he is white and not black haired (without, of course, offering any proof), he is proving what we already know – that he doesn’t play any blackjack at all and has nothing to lose one way or another by giving up his claimed actual appearance.

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If I had to ask myself and wonder why someone would stay and keep taking a pounding while taking into account all the bad things they claim have happened to them....

I would have to guess that it's all BS, therefore nothing bad has ever happened to them, and therefore there's no real reason to leave/ stop.

A real professional capable of keeping his mouth shut (two strikes already, when it comes to UNKewlJ) would just ride with the misidentification and laugh silently to himself. Sure a pro might occasionally hint at the truth but no pro would go all out with trying to establish his precise ethnicity, and appearance including hair color, the way he has when the crowd is supposedly getting it all wrong.

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Your Sugar Daddy was a balding heavy white guy. I can find some Google images to match what you 2 look like if you wish. You have black hair average build and are not white. Would you like me to go further?

Zero for 3 maxpen. My late partner had many issue but hair was not one of them. he had a full head of hair. greying at the end, unless he did something about that, but he was not bald or balding.

the description of me is wrong on both accounts. I am white. That is something I have shared so I will again. I am white of 100% Irish decent. And I do not have black hair.

No one has ever suggested I am not while, until Mdawg came up with this weird. Pacific Islander thing. I know you are taking you ques and talking points from him. You might want to stop doing that. He is making you look like a fool.
12-15-2023, 06:21 PM
kewlJ

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Originally Posted by MDawg

If UNKewlJ really is white, and not Asian, and he really does play blackjack, then why wouldn’t he relish the opportunity to have people run down the wrong rabbit hole of misidentifying him?

By constantly denying his Pac Islander appearance and trying to claim that he is white and not black haired (without, of course, offering any proof), he is proving what we already know – that he doesn’t play any blackjack at all and has nothing to lose one way or another by giving up his claimed actual appearance.

A real professional capable of keeping his mouth shut (two strikes already, when it comes to UnKewlJ) would just ride with the misidentification and laugh. Sure a pro might occasionally hint at the truth but no pro would go all out with trying to establish his precise ethnicity, and appearance including hair color the way he has when the crowd is supposedly getting it all wrong.

I have basically just laughed. Although honestly, I don't think it is that funny, I just think it is weird.

I have gone all out? How? Where? You are one confused monkey.

Are you upset that you are not white? Is that what it is? All Daddy's money couldn't buy you whiteness. :D Get over it.
12-15-2023, 06:30 PM
MDawg

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Originally Posted by Keystone

KewlJ has proven he lies, is a drama queen, loves attention, and is generally an annoying gnat.

And is a Pac Islander looking fella. Whose own Dad kicked him out of the house.

https://i.imgur.com/KKLA04Ol.jpg

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How fucking hard is this to understand? I am not Asian.

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Back in the day, neither you nor MaxPen mentioned anything about that you thought I was Asian, or Hawaiian or whatever. Had you done so, I would have told you right then that you had the wrong person in mind.

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Come on dude, Mdawg made up that Pacific Islander thing.

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I don't look Asain and have never had anyone ever mistaken me for Asian.

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axelwolf described me as an Asian or Chinese kid and I am not. I am white. MaxPen described me as non- white, Not sure if that meant black, or latino, or middle eastern but again, just wrong. Iam of Irish decent. It isn't even a close call. I am pale, pasty white.

etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

If UNKewlJ really is white, and not Asian, and he really does play blackjack, then why wouldn’t he relish the opportunity to have people run down the wrong rabbit hole of misidentifying him?

By constantly denying his Pac Islander appearance and trying to claim that he is white and not black haired (without, of course, offering any proof), he is proving what we already know – that he doesn’t play any blackjack at all and has nothing to lose one way or another by giving up his claimed actual appearance.
12-15-2023, 06:31 PM
MisterV

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Originally Posted by MDawg

It has mostly to do with that V eeeeased back into his easy chair, (perhaps took a puff or two), and started acting more or less civilly towards me so I started returning the same in kind.

Sure, he still tries to get in a few fightin' words here and there but then so do I.

For the most part though, All Quiet on the MDawg-V Front.

Yes, this is basically correct: I've made my points so why keep repeating them?

Dawg...are you listening?

How many times must you repeat the same flames about KJ?

We all know how you feel, so what do you hope to gain by repeating them?
12-15-2023, 06:39 PM
MDawg

Well the simple explanation is that he's so obviously bothered by it that he screams victim

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Smart money says you cry yourself to sleep every night. That's called Music To Everyone's Ears! :)

and makes himself a fun target when anyone has a free moment or two.

Something like an ant hill with so predictable results when stamped on. He just can't help himself but come back with the

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manually rephrased same old nervous essays over and over. Can you imagine how much time and angst that takes?

I suppose the day he comes back with something UNpredictable or logical that isn't an obvious lie, we'll all lose interest and stop interacting with him.
12-15-2023, 07:41 PM
Tasha

And my three bingos all lost. :( One was only down by one number. I don't know why Seminole Classic Casino does 20 numbers only and not 25 numbers like Hialeah Park Casino and Gulfstream Park Casino do. :(
01-01-2024, 09:25 AM
Tasha

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by jdog

Who cares about tiers anyway? They're fairly meaningless until you reach one that eliminates resort fees, in this case that would be Icon.

There was a bill introduced in Congress a couple years ago that would have eliminated resort fees, under the premise of misleading advertising. It seemed like that bill has support on both sides, but obviously went nowhere. I wonder which side of the aisle, the casino lobby got to in order to dead end it?

The resort fees were an ill thought out,"Follow the leader," thing. Resort fees didn't use to exist, but suddenly, ONE Casino/Hotel added it, and then a bunch of Casino/Hotels jumped on the bandwagon and started charging resort fees too. Customers did NOT like the resort fees and started going to other properties that didn't have resort fees. Charging people extra for a chance to lose their money is a horrible idea. It's not like the GOOD idea of ONLY giving "free," drinks to people who are playing. The "Free," drink cost the Casino $5 and people play hundreds of dollars to get that "Free drink," . The Player thinks he's getting a free drink and the Casino gets say $2,000 from that Player when they spent $5 for that drink.. Forcing people say $20 for a chance to lose their money is a bad business model. Customers will go to the resort where they can lose their money for free, not have to pay an extra $20 for a chance to lose their money. Customers vote with their money. Casinos need to keep that in mind.
01-01-2024, 09:14 PM
theywontpayontuesday

Tasha this does happen to a lot of people when dealing with player clubs. In this case it may be rooted in either a misunderstanding or misinformation or miscommunication. The clubs can make changes at time of renewals you don't like or later you it stops being worth even participating there. Same as any woman unpredictable. Yes your costs will have been too much to try.
01-04-2024, 05:42 PM
Tasha

I have until 12/31/2024 to earn 4,000 points to retain my Legend Status. :) At least I wasn't automatically dropped back to Star. I made an impressive roughly 500 tier credits in just about a couple of weeks in December. :)
01-04-2024, 07:46 PM
accountinquestion

You are a compulsive liar who has decided to obsess on him because of some other strange compulsion to legitimize your own lies.

Oops the above was a reply to kewls last post on page 1.
01-05-2024, 03:28 AM
1Hit1der

Holy fuck. What a bunch of useless turds trapped in stupidity. Ha.
01-05-2024, 12:15 PM
MisterV

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Holy fuck. What a bunch of useless turds trapped in stupidity. Ha.

"A fiddle, crapped on in history, inserting an enema." --- Stonwin Hillchurch
01-05-2024, 05:21 PM
1Hit1der

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Holy fuck. What a bunch of useless turds trapped in stupidity. Ha.

"A fiddle, crapped on in history, inserting an enema." --- Stonwin Hillchurch

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A Riddle Wrapped in a Mystery Inside an Enigma.

---> Edwin Sandys (Parliamentarian). [House of Commons - UK Parliament]

https://anagram-solver.net/%20A%20Ri...0?partial=true

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Edwina Sandys MBE (born 22 December 1938) is an English artist and sculptor. She is the granddaughter of Winston Churchill.

Can't get a coincidence or enigma much closer than that. Ha.
01-06-2024, 08:31 AM
Tasha

And... For some inexplicable reason, all of my points from Seminole Casinos VANISHED and I now have a zero point balance. :confused: What happened to the points I earned in 2024? :confused: Weird how all of my points just went into the ether. :confused:
01-06-2024, 09:30 AM
1Hit1der

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All of my points just went into the ether. :confused:

There is no ether (wind or drag by which the speed of light is slower in a given direction). What there is is empty space (and full time) in the sense that particles and their anti-matter counterparts spring from, and back to, nothingness, which amounts to a form of nothingness whether apart, or together - a clue, I guess, to the precise definitions for apart, and together. As explained by Dirac's equation, which trivially, without much explanation, combines relativity, and quantum science. The contemporary view is that the universe, itself, thus springs back, and forth, of nothingness, and, so, continues to be created, and destroyed.

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The ether the hypothetical medium formerly believed to fill all space and to support the propagation of electromagnetic waves. Greek myth the upper regions of the atmosphere; clear sky or heaven.

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Dirac's equation is a relativistic wave equation explaining that parity inversion (sign inversion of spatial coordinates) is symmetrical for all half-spin electrons and quarks. The equation was first explained in 1928 by P. A. M. Dirac. The equation is used to predict the existence of antiparticles.

Is it definition of, or, for?

https://english.stackexchange.com/qu...definition-for
01-06-2024, 12:16 PM
jdog

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Originally Posted by Tasha

And... For some inexplicable reason, all of my points from Seminole Casinos VANISHED and I now have a zero point balance.

Your tier credits should have went to 0 after the New Year but definitely not your Unity points. You might call their customer service about that. Click on 'View your latest transactions' and it should show point earnings and redemptions for every visit.
01-06-2024, 02:29 PM
DGenBen

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Originally Posted by 1Hit1der

There is no ether (wind or drag by which the speed of light is slower in a given direction). What there is is empty space (and full time) in the sense that particles and their anti-matter counterparts spring from, and back to, nothingness, which amounts to a form of nothingness whether apart, or together - a clue, I guess, to the precise definitions for apart, and together. As explained by Dirac's equation, which trivially, without much explanation, combines relativity, and quantum science. The contemporary view is that the universe, itself, thus springs back, and forth, of nothingness, and, so, continues to be created, and destroyed.

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Dirac's equation is a relativistic wave equation explaining that parity inversion (sign inversion of spatial coordinates) is symmetrical for all half-spin electrons and quarks. The equation was first explained in 1928 by P. A. M. Dirac. The equation is used to predict the existence of antiparticles.

Is it definition of, or, for?

https://english.stackexchange.com/qu...definition-for

Wasn’t this the 20th century view?

Ever since it was discovered that the expansion of the universe is actually accelerating isn’t the contemporary view that the universe will likely expand forever?
01-06-2024, 05:17 PM
1Hit1der

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The contemporary view is that the universe, itself, thus springs back, and forth, of nothingness, and, so, continues to be created, and destroyed.

I referred to the notion of quantum entanglement, by which creation, and, hence, it's removal (of the other way), is still occurring across a thus form of nothingness all along, bit by bit.

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Quantum entanglement is a bizarre, counter-intuitive phenomenon that explains how two subatomic particles can be intimately linked to each other even if separated by billions of light-years of space. Despite their vast separation, a change induced in one will affect the other.

You are correct that the contemporary view of the expansion of the universe is that there will be a "big freeze", at its end, instead of a "big crunch", and, then, another "big bang".

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Experimental evidence in the late 1990s and early 2000s (namely the observation of distant supernovas as standard candles; and the well-resolved mapping of the cosmic microwave background) led to the conclusion that the expansion of the universe is not getting slowed by gravity but is instead accelerating.

My own take on that, however, is that the expansion of the universe only appears to be accelerating in the relative sense, that matter becomes smaller until it "moves through itself", to come out the other side of itself, at which point, things appear to decelerate (toward a "big crunch"). Which would alleviate the impossible, one-sided definition, in general, of things derived from nothing, but, not returning to nothing. Which brought me back to some of my early notes, from decades ago. And, to some other things.
01-06-2024, 05:49 PM
DGenBen

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Originally Posted by 1Hit1der

I referred to the notion of quantum entanglement, by which creation, and, hence, it's removal (of the other way), is still occurring across a thus form of nothingness all along, bit by bit.

You are correct that the contemporary view of the expansion of the universe is that there will be a "big freeze", at its end, instead of a "big crunch", and, then, another "big bang".

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Experimental evidence in the late 1990s and early 2000s (namely the observation of distant supernovas as standard candles; and the well-resolved mapping of the cosmic microwave background) led to the conclusion that the expansion of the universe is not getting slowed by gravity but is instead accelerating.

My own take on that, however, is that the expansion of the universe only appears to be accelerating in the relative sense, that matter becomes smaller until it "moves through itself", to come out the other side of itself, at which point, things appear to decelerate (toward a "big crunch"). Which would alleviate the impossible, one-sided definition, in general, of things derived from nothing, but, not returning to nothing. Which brought me back to some of my early notes, from decades ago. And, to some other things.

The interesting thing about nothingness i.e, the nothingness from which the universe may have formed is that it is not well defined.

For example, if nothingness is defined as the complete lack of physical laws & / or cause and effect, then the universe “springing” into being with no cause is perfectly within the rules & no explanation of how or why it happened is needed.
01-07-2024, 10:49 AM
1Hit1der

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I started out on the game theory side of things, say, with concepts like guaranteed maximum, versus, maximum guaranteed, amounts. Which I, then, went on to apply to a thus solution of a theory of everything, rather than a straight-up mathematical and physical theory of everything. There will always be the two ways to solve things. Of course, though, it's not enough to look at everything, as how it all comes together, but, also every thing as how the individual pieces fit together. I came across a terms for the latter, such as a "theory of everything everything", which has to do with details like why we do what we do.

Anyway, from there, I tried to find the logic from no guarantee, to a guarantee. What's in between? Sort of like a quasi-crystal, but, I didn't know of that per se, at the time. That was a relatively new discovery. I thought that there was some sort of randomness in between the two states above, at which point, things were likely more complicated than simply determined.

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A quasi-periodic crystal, or quasi-crystal, is a structure that is ordered but not periodic. A quasi-crystalline pattern can continuously fill all available space, but it lacks translational symmetry.

From there, I started to look at how the dimensions may thus grow out of themselves, starting with a point pertaining to some, or all of, the well-defined notions above. Around then, Roger Penrose had a vortex model of a point. Stuff like that. Quite a few years working back and forth through a few of the dimensions, to try to find a "thread" through them to build on. I guess that any decent theory takes quite a while to figure out what is involved, what the salient question is. At which point, it becomes more a matter of working out a set of a few consistently convergent rules, to work to such a "thread". And, to start, and, re-start from first principles, or, "scratch", every now, and then.

From there, waiting decades for the numerals to show up, on their own, instead of try to infuse them into things, from the start. Doesn't make much sense to build on others such work, because they would have finished it if they had the right thus rules to work with. But, that's okay because there's plenty of time, even on the end of things, to work with the resultant numerals. Numerals are much easier, and faster, to work with, and, without room for error, having to start over.

I like to think that the notion or concept of the word, nothing, is defined in terms of what and how things, however, connect to it. It's pretty damn hard to try to figure out what nothing is, but, then, go from there to other things. Should I write that dimension-0 isn't a dimension? Does no dimension, as mixed with the stuff of dimensions, make dimension-0? I found out that it's a lot easier to figure the nuts-and-bolts details out on the end, after getting numerals that work out. And, if nothing else, in terms of confidence building to keep at it, back to the nuts-and-bolts of the mathematical and physical side of things. One can spend a lot of time to relate abstract notions such as black & white, clear & unclear, contrasted grays, and, then, colors, and, so on, to the math and physics, but, only as means to try to nudge things into giving up the underlying thread. But, no way to conclusively put one thing on another until every other thing, on the end. (Yes, within such exercises, there is the final answer, but, very likely, it's not visible until on the end, after the numerals have shown themselves, at which point, there is a reason, and more-specific ways, to follow up on such.)

A point doesn't lose the other dimensions, but, counts up from plus/minus plus/minus 0, and, down from plus/minus plus/minus all, as it rotates through the other dimensions to connect to them. In general, there's a mathematical point, and, a physical point. Specifically, dimension-0 is time is full is solid is closed is white, and, so on, or, it's (infinitely divisible) matter is full is solid is closed is unclear, and, so on; whereas dimension-all is space is empty is not solid is open is black, and, so on, or, (infinite or perpetual) motion is empty is not solid is open is clear, and, so on, respectively. Similarly, those qualities, but of mind, as reversed, in terms of that which can't physically happen in reality. Similarly, there are the general, and specific, analogous types of mathematical equations, operators & operands. The absolutes. We don't live in the realm of absolutes, but, in a realm of many things in combination, in the sense that each of those things gives up its thus essence along the way. One might look at dimensions- 0, and 2, in terms of algebra, and geometry, but, dimensions- 1, and 3, in terms of functions/relations, (infinities of) calculus, along with trigonometry.
01-07-2024, 01:57 PM
MisterV

As a "mud-dweller" in the cosmological scheme of things I look at the universe and wonder "Where the hell did all the sub-atomic particles which fill the universe come from; how, where, when and why did they originate?"

If hypothetically things were created by god, then same question about the origins of god.
01-07-2024, 05:49 PM
1Hit1der

Is it fair to put personified God as the fields of gravity, electricity, and so on, as potentiality, with us as the stuff of, on, and through, those fields, as the actuality of our available choices? The neat thing about God being the fields is that the fields are the only (?) thing that come back as themselves, to, and from, nothing. And, so, thus God doesn't have to (always) exist, but, always returns, and, strictly speaking, in the same way as people, or whatever, etc, return. But, as the prime example of faith, in Himself by His own return.

Nothing has no physical, or other, rules, let alone the nonsense ones that relativity breaks down to at the quantum level, and, so, the universe has to produce every thing possible, to cover itself, to ensure that it carries on without gaps. It, nothing, whatever it is, can't know ahead of time what it's supposed to be, let alone without time, to begin. As with, say, the game-theory nature of electrons to optimally form the required shells around their nuclei so that, say, our hands can hold onto things, that our fingers don't inadvertently poke through those shells into mostly nothingness. Incidentally, the certainty of nothing as a point isn't in the simplistic notion of a point -as in there you are - but, in a point's "memory" of every thing possible that annihilated to form it, in it's own possibilities.

The "big bang" goes through a stage of "symmetry breaking", a stage of "inflation", by which that stuff catches up to itself for the stuff of our world to begin to form logically. But, the symmetry is never totally broken. The background radiation from the "big bang" carries on. The relativistic stuff isn't suppose to totally coincide or gibe with the quantum stuff. And, so on. The quantum stuff comes with thus inverted rules. It's not supposed to make the usual sense, of the macro- or large-scale world. The underlying notion there is that it's theory is correct precisely because it's incorrect.

The fact that nothing can't know what to make of itself means that there can't be a theory of everything in any usual sense, and, furthermore, that things carry over to also a mathematical theory of everything. The latter which virtually all mathematicians oppose because of math's supposed inherent symmetry - but, which also had to break, very shortly after the "big bang".

As far as where the elementary particles (and their wave forms) come from, why not get a bit of that from the "horse's mouth".

https://physics.stackexchange.com/qu...-quarks-formed

Oh, almost forgot the related anagrams. Ha.

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As a "mud-dweller" in the cosmological scheme of things I look at the universe and wonder "Where the hell did all the sub-atomic particles which fill the universe come from; how, where, when and why did they ... ?"

---> The Closing of the American Mind: How Higher Education Has Failed Democracy and Impoverished the Souls of Today's Students.

https://anagram-solver.net/Asamuddwe...y?partial=true

I had to remove the nine-letter word, originate, to make things fit the anagram solver, but, it follows from the phrase, come from, which was already in the quote above.

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If hypothetically things were created by god, then same question about the origins of god.

---> The Fragile Promise of Choice: Abortion in the United States Today.

https://anagram-solver.net/%20If%20h....?partial=true

I guess, abortion in the sense of "arrest of development (as of a part or process) resulting in imperfection".
01-08-2024, 11:49 AM
1Hit1der

Just, stumbled across a sort of wacky read at, https://joyintruth.com/steven-hawkin...e-gravity-god/

I had no idea that Hawking, himself, noted that, "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing". Instead of dispensing with the 'God' concept, he made gravity 'God', the invisible force that created all things."

I guess that he just didn't possess the mental horsepower to prove it. I mean, if point as nothing, itself, is the non-personified God, on which the personified One is based, then that point being everything, as annihilated, is everything, in a very close sense.

Things are heating up. Ha.

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Deacon Frederick Bartels is a member of the Catholic clergy who serves the Church in the diocese of Pueblo. He holds an MA in Theology and Educational Ministry and is a Catholic educator, public speaker, and evangelist who strives to infuse culture with the saving principles of the gospel.

These guys are like mice in a maze, or, ducks in a shooting gallery.
01-08-2024, 05:38 PM
DGenBen

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Originally Posted by 1Hit1der

Just, stumbled across a sort of wacky read at, https://joyintruth.com/steven-hawkin...e-gravity-god/

I had no idea that Hawking, himself, noted that, "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing". Instead of dispensing with the 'God' concept, he made gravity 'God', the invisible force that created all things."

I guess that he just didn't possess the mental horsepower to prove it. I mean, if point as nothing, itself, is the non-personified God, on which the personified One is based, then that point being everything, as annihilated, is everything, in a very close sense.

Things are heating up. Ha.

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Deacon Frederick Bartels is a member of the Catholic clergy who serves the Church in the diocese of Pueblo. He holds an MA in Theology and Educational Ministry and is a Catholic educator, public speaker, and evangelist who strives to infuse culture with the saving principles of the gospel.

These guys are like mice in a maze, or, ducks in a shooting gallery.

The joyintruth.com article repeats a common mistake. It states that in nothingness you have no physical laws.

Then it says logically something can’t come from nothing. Isn’t that a physical law? Also logic would not exist either in nothingness.

The reality is that even though it’s tough for us to understand, it is perfectly acceptable for something to spring into being from nothingness.

If the nothingness has no physical laws or logic, then it is perfectly within in the rules or lack thereof for something to spring from nothing.

Counterintuitive to our everyday experiences but when you throw out physical laws & logic or at the very least they are different & undefined, then nothing is off the table.