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It's not real clear what this guy was doing. Maybe just moving around trying to AP slots. Maybe be looking for left over credits. Maybe both. Maybe just a suspicious looking Black guy. In any case he got into a big mess with the cops and casino.
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2025/...lice-48219.htm
I myself ALMOST got into trouble myself for having like 50 vouchers when I used to ONLY play 1 penny a line. I had $5 in free play and every single time I got a win, I would press cash out. By the time my free play was done, I had about 50 vouchers. I went to the nearest Kiosk to turn them all in but the Casino Staff was working on it so I went to the Cashier Cage to cash them in.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberbabble
She cashed them in but gave me a VERY suspicious look like,"This Woman is sketchy as hell!" A Casino Manager was soon near me asking me how I was doing. Generally, I'm on red alert when someone out of nowhere asks me how I am doing because years prior, someone out of the clear blue asked me how I was doing and it turned out he was an Undercover Loss Prevention Officer who thought I was stealing. I proved to him that I wasn't stealing and he let me be on my way.
So when the Casino Manager out of nowhere asked me how I was doing I was on red alert. And I was right. He asked me if I stole the vouchers. I mentioned that I had $5 in free play and was only playing a penny a spin and cashed out whenever I had a win. He looked at the vouchers and realized they were all from the same exact machine,were all cashed out just seconds within each other and were all VERY low amounts like .10. He realized I didn't steal any of these vouchers and I was able to get my roughly $5 in cash.
Interesting, given the fact I've been unable to cash out winnings from free play til after all the free play is exhausted.
How'd you manage to do it?
You can hit cashout and you get whatever you've run through the machine. It can be useful if you want to extract your freeplay and only your freeplay. I reread Tasha's account of what happened to try and understand whatever nonsense. That is pretty epic. I quit doing it because you don't want the look weird for the camera if your freeplay is somehow questionable in nature. Having a pile of vouchers in front of you is a bit out of the ordinary.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I feel like a casino could be full of Tashas and still lose money when every one of them is a sick addict.
Ah yes, I see the difference: thanks.
I found the exact incident I was talking about that I wrote about years ago.
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I had about $ 7 freeplay about a year ago at a local casino,I frequently visited, and I am a low roller. I was playing about a nickel a spin and when the freeplay was cycled through, I had won about $8 dollars cash, I had pressed cash out at most times after a winning spin. I had about 30 tickets with low amounts on them. I went to the TITO machine but some Casino staff members were putting more money into them. I decided to go to the nearby Cashier cage, and she was giving me a wary look as she cashed them in, like, "This person is shady."
A nearby Manager came up and asked me,"How are you doing?" I usually am on guard when people out of nowhere ask me "How are you doing?" Because usually something bad is about to be asked soon after, like the time a few years ago undercover Security Guard thought I was shoplifting when I wasn't. He thought he saw me put a store item into my pocket or something like that, and that wasn't the case at all.
So, I am already on guard with the Manager asking me the dreaded, 'How are you doing" and then the shoe dropped. He straight up asked me if I was cashing out random players' left over TITO's. The nerve! I told him, "No," I am a low roller and had free play and was cashing out every time I won. He took a good look at the TITO's and realized each ticket were from the same machines just seconds after each other. He believed me. Still that's really bad to treat a loyal guest. Worst thing ever that a casino Staff member has done to me.
Pro tip: When you have 50 small vouchers you want to cash out, you can find a vacant machine and feed them all into it to combine them into one voucher, cash the one voucher out of that machine &, then cash the single voucher out at a kiosk or the cage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaI myself ALMOST got into trouble myself for having like 50 vouchers when I used to ONLY play 1 penny a line. I had $5 in free play and every single time I got a win, I would press cash out. By the time my free play was done, I had about 50 vouchers. I went to the nearest Kiosk to turn them all in but the Casino Staff was working on it so I went to the Cashier Cage to cash them in.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberbabble
She cashed them in but gave me a VERY suspicious look like,"This Woman is sketchy as hell!" A Casino Manager was soon near me asking me how I was doing. Generally, I'm on red alert when someone out of nowhere asks me how I am doing because years prior, someone out of the clear blue asked me how I was doing and it turned out he was an Undercover Loss Prevention Officer who thought I was stealing. I proved to him that I wasn't stealing and he let me be on my way.
So when the Casino Manager out of nowhere asked me how I was doing I was on red alert. And I was right. He asked me if I stole the vouchers. I mentioned that I had $5 in free play and was only playing a penny a spin and cashed out whenever I had a win. He looked at the vouchers and realized they were all from the same exact machine,were all cashed out just seconds within each other and were all VERY low amounts like .10. He realized I didn't steal any of these vouchers and I was able to get my roughly $5 in cash.
This looks a lot less sketchy & it also has the side benefit of preventing you from getting murdered if someone is standing behind you in line at a kiosk or the cage and they have to wait for you to cash out 50 10cent tickets one at a time.
Not much you can do when you are on a run and the machine keeps kicking out tickets because your balance is too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Interesting topic.
It is, of course, tempting to automatically side with the AP and say that Caesars and LVMPD are evil, but from what I'm reading from the Pokernews article, I think there has to be more to the story.
First off, by his own admission, he was running around to machines and cashing out any unplayed credits -- money that actually isn't his -- and then pocketing the vouchers. This netted very little money (less than $8 in vouchers), but it does appear he technically broke the law.
The law in question is NRS 465.070(3), which states:
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It is unlawful for any person...
To claim, collect or take, or attempt to claim, collect or take, money or anything of value in or from a gambling game, with intent to defraud, without having made a wager contingent thereon, or to claim, collect or take an amount greater than the amount won.
In the lawsuit, Daniel DeMissie claims that the two officers who arrested him broke the law by making false statements under oath. While he admits he was found with 8 cashout vouchers at the time of his arrest, his lawsuit reasons that he was found with only one voucher from Flamingo, where the arrest occurred. He claims the officers filed in their police report that DeMissie was hitting the Cash Out button on every machine, to see if anything would spit out tickets, but this wouldn't make sense because he could see whether there was anything to cash out. Thus, he claims that statement about him is false, and therefore is equivalent to filing a false police report. He also claims that the one Flamingo voucher was from a game he played earlier, with his own money.
In short, I don't believe it, and even if he's right, the claim that he was constantly hammering the Cash Out button is immaterial to the allegations. Pressing Cash Out itself isn't illegal. Pressing it to claim other people's credits is illegal. Even if the officer got confused (or lied) and said he hit Cash Out on any machine, it would have no effect on the case.
Furthermore, him walking around with eight vouchers for pennies is suspect. I guess it's possible that he could have had cents left on each machine he played, and then cashed it out. It's more likely to me that he was looking for both AP opportunities and unclaimed credits, and was cashing out small amounts of unclaimed credits when he'd find them.
But it goes beyond this pettiness. Even though cashing out cents from abandoned slot machines is technically illegal, it's a stupid reason to arrest someone. I'm guessing there has to be more to this story.
I'm guessing it was somehing more like this:
DeMissie possibly went around various Caeasrs properties and was both aggressively looking for AP opportunities AND hitting cashout when he saw any unplayed credits. He did this at so many machines that it attracted attention, and they got concerned that he's doing a sweep of machines to scoop up any credits of abandoned machines, possibly including ones where the player just stepped away or went to the bathroom, and stupidly didn't cash out. After he was observed bouncing around properties doing this, they had enough on him to arrest and 86 him.
The false arrest and false statement claims look frivolous, and I'm relatively sure this will go nowhere.
I looked up the June 2023 arrest and subsequent criminal case. He was charged with "Commit fraudulent act in gaming establishment, first offense", a felony. He ended up representing himself, and surprisingly, in February 2024, his motion to dismiss the case was granted. I'm guessing that's because the state had a weak case.
However, here's the weirdest part of his lawsuit.
The Pokernews article says the lawsuit claims, "He was subsequently banned from the Las Vegas Strip. That triggered a sting operation from federal authorities, 24/7 surveillance, and and criminal entrapment related to drug and casino offenses.
At least 30,000 undercover agents, informants, and others participated in the sting operation, which has lasted the past 17 months, he claims."
What???
So his arrest and temporary ban from the strip (totally legal for the court to do, by the way) resulted in a 30,000-agent operation against him -- including entrapment for casino and drug offenses? That seems highly unlikely. The FBI is not looking to spend significant resources to entrap guys suspected of cashing out small credits from abandoned slot machines. This sounds like either extreme paranoia or an extreme exaggeration.
His "ban from the strip", which I see the court ordered on June 18, was a condition of bail -- the same day he was arrested. The court can put all kinds of restrictions on you when you're granted bail, and there's really nothing you can do about it, aside from refuse to accept them and stay in jail, or attempt to convince the court to lift such restrictions.
Anyway, this lawsuit is going nowhere. Whole thing looks like a stupid arrest by an overly concerned casino, followed by a lawsuit bt the arrestee who seems to have a persecution complex.
That usually involves tito's having higher value than trying to pinpoint a freeplay balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfNot much you can do when you are on a run and the machine keeps kicking out tickets because your balance is too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
It's also what shirt pockets and purses are for.
I felt VERY sorry for him at FIRST, suddenly I don't feel much sympathy for him anymore. He FULLY deserves all the bad things happening to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Edit. I didn't read the ENTIRE quote when I responded. I just skimmed to the part where he admitted he had been cashing out other people's unused credits and made a jumping the gun conclusion post. He REALLY shouldn't have been cashing out nother people's unused credits, but the aftermath was REALLY over the top. He should have been told to give the vouchers to the Casino, gotten a warning and a temporary ban like what happened when I was reported for asking Strangers to play on my Player's Club card. Another Poster said he got a temporary ban for cashing out roughly $70 on a complete Strangers "abandoned," machine. The other Player had gone to the restroom and had asked a Casino Staff Member to watch it. The Poster cashed out the roughly $70 and tried to cash it in and the Casino Staff Member caught him and made him give it back to the actual Player and the Poster got a temporary ban for cashing out someone else's ticket. The Poker Player should have gotten a temporary ban like what happened to that Poster, not an over the top debacle like what happened.
Credit hustlers need to think about what they're doing and to develop a method of thievery that should provide cover it their shenanigans are detected.
For example, don't waste time on credits in a machine less than a buck or two: seek bigger prey, and when you find it sit at the slot, put a dollar into the machne as if you were gonna play, then pause, pick up your phone and pretend you just got a text; then act like you changed your mind about playing, hit cash out, and walk away .
Do it only once in each casino.
Hello, plausible deniability...
I can see how the guy says he is paranoid. Anyone done wrong by the law is bound to feel suspicious the police will do anything and possibly for no reason.
For a large amount you want to make a spin or two. It muddies up the situation. They will have to work extra hard to prove you didn't win the money. And it will be hard to prove intent.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Actually having several vouchers for pennies should not be suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Anyone doing AP slots will always end up with several small vouchers just because of the fact that when you cash out 99% of cash out kiosks kick out a voucher for the amount under $1 since very few kiosks (especially in Vegas) dispense change anymore.
Also most AP slots players want to have several small vouchers on them as it helps in checking certain AP machines where each individual bet can’t be viewed unless money is inserted first.
Here's my main problem with his claims:
If he really was just playing his own money, and not cashing out unredeemed credits of others, that would be the central focus of his case. If he wanted to show "false police reports", he'd simply say that the cameras will prove that all of his vouchers came from his own play, and that the officers claiming he cashed out from machines he didn't play is where the false police reports exitst.
Instead, he's relying on this convoluted theory that he wouldn't have hit Cash Out if there was no money in the machine, so therefore an officer writing that he was constantly hitting Cash Out on machines must be false. Not only is that a massive stretch, but it's ridiculous. The cameras should clearly show if he was hitting Cash Out on machines he didn't play.
Whenever someone dodges the primary allegations and jumps to technicalities in order to "prove" their side, it's a safe bet that they're guilty of something.
Let me put it a different way.
Let's say kewlJ showed up here and claimed, "I saw Dan Druff steal $100 from an acquaintance at Caesars Palace yesterday, at around 12pm."
If I were innocent, one of the following responses would be appropriate:
"I wasn't even in the state of Nevada yesterday, and I can prove it"
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"I wasn't in Caesars at all yesterday, and I can prove it"
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"You obviously saw me there or heard I was at Caesars around noon, but I didn't steal anything from anyone. You can't produce anyone who will say that I stole from them yesterday. I'll even go with you and as surveillance to pull up the footage of me being there, and look for any evidence I stole from anyone."
However, let's say my response was just this:
"Why would I steal $100? I don't need $100, everyone knows I don't need $100. I wouldn't risk my rep over $100, even if I did need it."
That statement isn't a denial. It's asking the reader to trust that I wouldn't WANT to steal $100, yet not answering the allegation whether I actually did it or not.
This guy seems to dance around whether he was cashing out unused credits, from what I've seen, other than lightly stating he didn't do it. But the lawsuit seems to hinge upon a lot of weird assertions which wouldn't be necessary if he could simply say he was falsely accused and the camera proves it. Why isn't he just taking that line?
Kew's probably kicking himself for not coming up with a bullshit story like this one first.
And LV doesn't have anywhere near "30,000 undercover agents & informants"...even throughout the entire state.
What nonsense these losers come up with.
Hmm. An Analysis Website said something like,"People can skirt uncomfortable questions like asking a drug addict," Have you ever done drugs?" And the drug addict responding," Why would I want to do drugs?" " The Analysis Website said something like,"The drug addict didn't SUCCESSFULLY answer the question as it was,"Have you ever done drugs?" Not "Do you want to do drugs?"Quote:
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Originally Posted by axelwolf
Why isn't this retard up more fake stories about being backed off?
Credits of less than $1 are routinely left on machines these days. When a lot of people get down to less than they were betting per spin they just get up and walk knowing full well they left the change behind. Its not worth it to them to walk the ticket to the cage which is usually as far away from the doors as they can get it.
Most of the cash out kiosks won't spit out coins anymore. They'll ask you to donate the change. If you refuse it will spit out a ticket that you have to take to the cage. How many people want to take a walk to the back of the casino to cash a ticket for 53 cents? When that happens a lot of people will leave the ticket at the kiosk. So if you want to credit hustle check out the kiosks for tickets left behind.
So this guy was definitely taking the small tickets. But it looks like he wasn't doing it like most hustlers would do it. You don't just hit the cashout button first. You stick a ticket in the machine, let the credits rack up, then hit the cashout button. You keep all the credits you find on one ticket.
Now, the part about him having to put money in a machine to check for advantage plays. Most exploitable slots you don't have to do this. But there are some out there. Buffalo Link comes to mind, or Wonder 4 Collection.
The Buffalo Links will generally have five differents denoms, 1Cent, 2Cent, 5Cent, 10Cent, 25Cent.
And on each denom there are 5 bet levels. So there are 25 different meters to check to see if one is high enough to play.
But you can't check each bet level without putting money in the machine. And it has to be a small amount, $1 or less. The reason is because when you tap a bet level to check it then it will spin the money off. That don't happen with a ticket of $1 or less.
On the 1Cent denom there are 5 bet levels to check, $1, $2, $3, $4, $5. So you punch the 1Cent tab. It will show you the $1 meter, then you punch "Return To Game." Then punch the $2 tab it will show you that meter, then punch "Return To Game." then punch the $3 tab, look at the meter, then punch "Return To Game" then punch the $4 tab, look at the meter, punch "Return To Game." When you get through with the $5 level, you then go to the 2Cent denom and check those levels, then the 5Cent denom, etc., etc.
That's a lot of punching on one machine. And there are usually 4 or more machines.
Security has no clue about how checking Buffalo Links for advantage plays is done. So if they see someone doing this they are most likely to be like "WTF is that guy doing?"
So if they guy is credit hustling plus checking Buffalo Links he will look suspicious to security.
An entomology website said something like “The Green Banana Cockroach also known as The Cuban Cockroach is found in Gulf Coast areas like Florida & Texas and OF COURSE Cuba”Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaHmm. An Analysis Website said something like,"People can skirt uncomfortable questions like asking a drug addict," Have you ever done drugs?" And the drug addict responding," Why would I want to do drugs?" " The Analysis Website said something like,"The drug addict didn't SUCCESSFULLY answer the question as it was,"Have you ever done drugs?" Not "Do you want to do drugs?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The green banana cockroach is NOT considered a pest because it ONLY lives OUTDOORS.
In fact some people actually keep them as PETS
A lady said something like they look the SAME as regular cockroaches except they are GREEN so they are not quite as REPULSIVE as a brown cockroach.
They seem more like a GRASSHOPPER or a PRAYING MANTIS.
This is a very interesting thread.
Everyone should have learned a thing or two from mickey's last post. I know I at times look at these games but I didn't really know what I was looking FOR.
Then we have the entertainment portion of the thread: mdawg continuing to bring up past posts from Dan and other AP's completely dismantling and destroying the forum's compulsive liar--kew. Especially satisfying is how kew tries to brown nose and give lip service to the forum owner....but the fool ends up being crushed by his idol time and time again.
It never gets old :)
Why isn't this retard pretending he can afford an RV?
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