Why not play ACE$ BONUS POKER ??

Rob, a few weeks back you said you were playing ACE$ BONUS and got the quad aces in the correct order for a 4,000 coin payoff equal to a royal flush. You also made a comment that the APers would criticize you for playing this game.

Yet, when the ACE$ BONUS game has the same pay table as traditional 8/5 Bonus or 8/5 Aces and Faces, ACE$ BONUS gives you the added extra juice of 4,000 coins just for getting ACES in the correct order.

Given a traditional 8/5 Bonus Poker or 8/5 Aces and Faces Poker game, why not play ACE$ Bonus that also has the 8/5 pay table? Below is a photo of the ACE$ Bonus game with the same "full pay" pay table you'd find on regular, traditional Bonus Poker.

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Yes you're right and I even wrote a column stating that exact point in the mid-2000's. You won't find the 8/5 paytable for both games at the same casino often, but they exist--and sometimes, surprisingly, even on the same machines. My article discussed the ones available at the Golden Nugget in downtown LV. All their bartops had them in quarters thru dollars.

I did spell ACES at Terribles in Pahrump this past year on a $2 machine. They have both games at 7/5 from 25c thru $2 on every bartop. I would NEVER play regular BP if the ACES BP game is on the same machine with the same paytable and in the same denomination as I play, and I never have.

Rob, now that I've actually played a session, a couple of questions:

Do you make any strategy adjustments when you have, for example, two pair including two aces in proper position to possibly spell ACES or SECA ?? Do you drop the second pair? When I played I had several hands were two aces were in position for the big jackpot and I dropped the second. What about when you have a full house with three aces in position?? Do you break up the full house? Seems to me this is a no-brainer with three out of four aces in position for the payoff the same as a royal that you would break up the full house.

First, it's not ACES or SECA; it's ACES- or -ACES. IE, you have to spell ACES with no spaces between any two aces.

The adjustments are what you deduced: in any two pair situation where you have two aces lined up for the kill, you always drop the 2nd pair (unless--and this is only when playing for a win goal in my strategies) the two pair attain a goal. And no matter what the paytable, you toss the FH when you have three aces lined up (with the same caveat as the two pair situation).

I recommend you play this game whenever you can except in 6/5 format. It's interesting, and you will have more than your share of close calls. It may also hit!

Wow, I didn't realize the word has to appear with no spaces. That makes it even tougher. But with the same paytable as a Bonus game, why not go for the bonus!

Now that I properly understand the game, I realize now that I sacrificed a couple of two-pair hands improperly.

It seems that very few people play the game at Rincon. When I was getting the pay on the quad aces, the three floor people who were there (it was early in the morning, and no one was playing in the high limit room) they kept saying "no kicker." Then I had to point out the pay table, and why there were "letters" on the Aces. They said they never saw it played before. I was on the bank of machines that also has the progressive, and even when I play my 8/5 Aces and Faces game on those machines everyone else is on the progressive game.

So you could call it a "hidden gem" at Rincon. I found the game on other Game King machines but to be honest I never saw anyone ever play it. Jason "found it" when he was just checking games and paytables some time back and told me about it. I've seen the icon on the screens but never bothered to check myself.

Understandable all around. Most people have no idea what the game means and that's why they don't bother with it. I used to see dozens of players at the bar in Terribles playing BP when the same pay table is offered on ACES BP, which is what they call it there and really, at most casinos in Nv.

Add mee to that list of players who had no idea what game that was or how it works. This game pays the same as a royal if you spell the aces word with no spaces? That's difficult enough to do with a random space, but no space? But if the game pays the same as regular bonuspoker, why not play it?

What if the fullhouse pays 7 for this fancy game and 8 for the regular game, is it worthwhile to play it then?

This ought to be interesting. Let's see how Robert Harry answers a math question.

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

This ought to be interesting. Let's see how Robert Harry answers a math question.

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Oh arc stop it. He had his full real name posted on his website videopokertruth.com for many years, and we all knew it from when he posted on LV A sports in 2005. You're just getting it now? How slow you are in a world of speedy information.

Jatki, the ACES BP game is only valid to play if the FH is either 8, or it's the same as the regular BP game if it's on the same machine.

You remember when my real name was posted on LVA. I remember that was also done by someone I was mocking and making look stupid--just like with arci here--so the guy (real name Paul Baker, who is now in that prison on the way up to Reno from LV for fraud & theft no less) put up info on my 1996 bankruptcy filing, because HE just couldn't take it any more either. People seem to do that when pushed too far and when they get frustrated. But that joke was on him because if you remember, I already had that info up on my site vptruth.com btw, since inception in 2000.

So just be aware that if you expose too many of arci's lies, if he ever knows your real name then expect the frustration to boil over at some point, and expect him to do searches on you too :)

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Originally Posted by jatki

Oh arc stop it. He had his full real name posted on his website videopokertruth.com for many years, and we all knew it from when he posted on LV A sports in 2005. You're just getting it now? How slow you are in a world of speedy information.

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Silly boy, I've known his name for years and he knows mine. Now, try to pay attention.

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

Silly boy, I've known his name for years and he knows mine. Now, try to pay attention.

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You know his and he knows yours. Then that's interesting, because I've never seen your real name posted in the many posts I've read. He's made you mad enough to feel posting his real name would somehow be bothersome to him, but he has never felt that you've earned him posting your real name.

I think I know who's won this.

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Originally Posted by jatki

You know his and he knows yours. Then that's interesting, because I've never seen your real name posted in the many posts I've read. He's made you mad enough to feel posting his real name would somehow be bothersome to him, but he has never felt that you've earned him posting your real name.

I think I know who's won this.

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Guess what? Wrong again.

Robert Harry posted my name (and address) at LVA. You are such a tool.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Jatki, the ACES BP game is only valid to play if the FH is either 8, or it's the same as the regular BP game if it's on the same machine.

You remember when my real name was posted on LVA. I remember that was also done by someone I was mocking and making look stupid--just like with arci here--so the guy (real name Paul Baker, who is now in that prison on the way up to Reno from LV for fraud & theft no less) put up info on my 1996 bankruptcy filing, because HE just couldn't take it any more either. People seem to do that when pushed too far and when they get frustrated. But that joke was on him because if you remember, I already had that info up on my site vptruth.com btw, since inception in 2000.

So just be aware that if you expose too many of arci's lies, if he ever knows your real name then expect the frustration to boil over at some point, and expect him to do searches on you too :)

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Yeah-I always laughed about those who couldn't or wouldn't just read this. The reason I remember it is because it inspired me-EVERYONE makes mistakes-but no one has to stay there and everyone can actually profit from them.

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

Guess what? Wrong again.

Robert Harry posted my name (and address) at LVA. You are such a tool.

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You'd have to show that which you may never do without some of that fancy editing of yours, just like you wouldn't provide any proof of your bogus claim on the slot card con baloney. But I'd say jatki made a very valid point, because he was obviously talking about the posts here as you know. So you can't even score a victory over him, except you win in the namecalling-out-of-frustration category!
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Originally Posted by slingshot

Yeah-I always laughed about those who couldn't or wouldn't just read this. The reason I remember it is because it inspired me-EVERYONE makes mistakes-but no one has to stay there and everyone can actually profit from them.

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The truly hilarious part, sling, is that Paul Baker actually ran a real life con, where he touted himself as an expert advantage player specializing in video poker, and he somehow gained the confidence of a dozen players who gave him their cash in the hopes of him turning big profits with it. He then spewed nonsense about buying gold and other precious metals at far below normal prices. Bottom line is, he never could make anything playing vp (which coincidentally was why he got so teed off at me, enough to do Internet searches on me that he thought would be a bother for me) and all he did was lose everyone's money or spend it on his new BMW, which is why he's in the big house today. This eerily compares to the arci situation, only as a timid geek he would never do anything that would land him behind bars. :)

I do recall the Paul Baker episode, and it was a doozy. The only thing is Rob, is that I heard he was out now and some LV A characters like Cutter and a few others are gunning for him.

But I didn't think to put arc's infamous 2+2 together. Baker said he was a successful ap when he really was a loser, and arc says he's a winning ap when you have to believe that's just another of his many lies, based on the big ones he tells here about Singer that I know are lies. At least arc is harmless by only boiling over on the Internet. I think Baker had one too many LV paper articles from Singer showing how much he'd just won. Arc just takes out his frustrations by either lying about Rob on the forums, or looking up his personal info and making something unflattering up about it. No wonder Rob laughs at him. We can all see who's won.

All the information I provided about Singer is available online to anyone who is curious. So, why would jatki choose to lie about the authenticity of that information. It appears jatki is just as big a liar as Singer.

Come one jatki, step up and prove me wrong. Show where I told a single lie about Singer. Why don't you provide the address of his mythical 4500 sqft residence. Why don't you show where the court records I showed are wrong. Come on, tool. Are you man enough? Oh wait, never mind. I already know the answer. The only thing we'll see from jatki is more lies.

Arci, the court record isn't wrong--I already said that it likely is true since we broke the lease to do the RVing. And it's the same place we always had for my son's wife and our other two grandchildren to stay long term while my son was in Iraq & Afghanistan. What jatki says you're trying to do is make up other things that aren't true about it. And he's right from how I see you reacting to my mocking of your home life. That's the only reason you bothered to get "curious" and spin the info. Heck, you can't even get the lies about my old house straight :) You both saw the videos I posted, and for some reason jatki understood them and you think they were another conspiracy theory against you similar to that stoopid vp.com thing you fouled up. I like how jatki mocked you about the pictures on the walls he saw including our wedding pic, and our little dog running around the house with me as I shot the videos. What'd I do, pay someone for all that too, just to get your goat?

This is yet another reason why when my wife and I go out to dinner tonight, I can think of how it's something you'll never enjoy again with yours, and I can laugh out loud about it! :)

Still waiting for you to provide the address of your 4500 sqft residence. ......... tick, tock.

You decided to make this personal. You chose to continue to attack my wife. So be it. I let it slide for years but finally decided it was time to check out your stories. I spent all of $1.95 to access your personal history. Anyone can do it. Just go to beenverified.com and check it out. It took about one hour to review the material.

Everything I said can be verified by anyone. There is no other residence associated with Robert or his wife. It correctly shows his bankruptcy and the lien I mentioned. It also shows all of his residences for the last 20 years. All are either apartments or that small home in Scottsdale.

So, it has been proven that Singer has lied for years about his life. There is little doubt that a person living in a 800 sqft 1 bdr apartment is not bringing in 6 figures every year. The man is just one lying machine.

QED.

Oh arci, it doesn't matter what your motives are, how you do you Internet searches, what info you get or don't get or choose to believe or not. What matters is how I got you to go over the edge with all this, how you couldn't help yourself from showing it, and in such a way that you're finally admitting that how right I've been about what you did to your poor wife, while how it hurts you to know my wife and I lead such a happy & healthy life, & you've got basically nothing there--unless you consider p-a-i-n as something to squawk about :) That's what's got you so sore isn't it. THAT'S the real bottom line. I can still go out and smile. What's that on your face? :)

A dollar ninety-five arc? Did you ever think that's all it's worth? I just got back from looking up my own information and Mr. All the Facts All the Time actually trusts that to be complete? Figures.

I've had several residences at the same time for 15 years in Calif., one house I own the other I rented for my folks. But when I look up my info it just shows the rented house's address, probably because that's the address I have on my driver's license. Wow what a surprise. I'll bet if you check with Singer he'll tell you he used the address of the apartments he rented for his son's family and his daughter on his license, and there's a number of reasons to do that. Privacy being one, and you're probably finding that out as you wasted your buck 95.

I'm the tool?

That's part of what makes this fun jatki, watching arci get so rattled that he'll try anything to bother the other guy. Then have it all blow up in his face! But you're right about why you wouldn't put your actual residence on your DO. Only an idiot would do that....or someone who doesn't have the resources or a close enough family (getting close arc? :)) to help out.

As arci gets more and more red-faced over this, I look for him to say he paid two-fifty to look up that my daughter's blind, my wife's dying of cancer, and my son was killed in action. I mean, how else is he gonna dig himself outta this one?! :)

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Originally Posted by jatki

A dollar ninety-five arc? Did you ever think that's all it's worth? I just got back from looking up my own information and Mr. All the Facts All the Time actually trusts that to be complete? Figures.

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So, you're afraid to check it out aren't you. You know I'm right and you know you have been conned. You hate it that I have been right all along and you will deny the obvious truth no matter what.

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Originally Posted by jatki

I've had several residences at the same time for 15 years in Calif., one house I own the other I rented for my folks. But when I look up my info it just shows the rented house's address, probably because that's the address I have on my driver's license. Wow what a surprise. I'll bet if you check with Singer he'll tell you he used the address of the apartments he rented for his son's family and his daughter on his license, and there's a number of reasons to do that. Privacy being one, and you're probably finding that out as you wasted your buck 95.

I'm the tool?

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Yup, nice try but there are lots of other sources besides driver's licenses. BTW, if he is not putting is real residence on his driver's license he is breaking the law. You really believe he would break the law? As for privacy, if he was worried about someone learning his address and doing something bad why would he put his own daughter in harm's way? Makes absolutely no sense.

In addition, the search site explicitly states it uses home purchase information as well. So, I guess you're saying neither Robert Harry or his wife bought the 4500 sqft residence ... what, they just squatted? Bwah haha haha haha

You are stretching and stretching to avoid the truth. You were suckered into Singer's con and fell for it completely. Now, you've been supporting a lying narcissist with your own lies and attacks. In your gut you now know you have been sliced and diced by Singer. I told you to quit while you were behind long ago. I bet you wished you had listened.

BTW, don't expect the list to be as accurate the further you go back in time. But for recent history it is probably right on. It was for me. Notice that Singer is not providing the address of his former residence? Only a complete fool would not understand what that means.

Arci, you couldn't be showing more aggravation with jatki the truth-teller if you wrote it here in big bold letters in-between all your made up lies. But please, do tell about the hobbling going on around there :)

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Arci, you couldn't be showing more aggravation with jatki the truth-teller if you wrote it here in big bold letters in-between all your made up lies. But please, do tell about the hobbling going on around there :)

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Now come on Rob, this is exactly the type of post that makes arci go nuts and look up personal information on the Internet so he can make up all those lies about it. Both my parents are in wheelchairs so I know what it's like to have to see loved ones going through that. I'm not saying arc doesn't deserve this treatment because he sure hasn't shown any respect to the forum's host or anyone else who doesn't agree with him for that matter, but you've already pulled him apart limb by limb and I've shown how big his lies are. Can we call it a day with this?

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Originally Posted by jatki

Can we call it a day with this?

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You can (and should have long ago) quit. You're ridiculous attempts to try and hide you're ongoing feeling of being a sucker will not go away, however. You will have to live with them forever.

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

You can (and should have long ago) quit. You're ridiculous attempts to try and hide you're ongoing feeling of being a sucker will not go away, however. You will have to live with them forever.

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More namecalling arci? Coming up a little short, are we? Then let's just see if we can concentrate on the hobbling :)

Strangely, whenever I played this game I had tons of 2 pair show up all the time. Seems like a great game for artt.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

More namecalling arci? Coming up a little short, are we? Then let's just see if we can concentrate on the hobbling :)

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Just the facts as usual. Since it's now beyond doubt that LIBELOUS COMMENTS REMOVED. Since I've provided accurate information on your worthless system for years, any one with more than a couple working neurons should have known. There is no excuse for being a sucker.

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Originally Posted by slingshot

Strangely, whenever I played this game I had tons of 2 pair show up all the time. Seems like a great game for artt.

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It's very curious that you said this. I noted an unusual number of two-pairs being dealt, but I think it is just coincidence. My understanding is that there is one RNG on the Game King machines and I would have seen the same two-pairs from the same RNG whether I had been on the Bonus game, the double double bonus game, the Aces and Eights game, the Deuces game, or Jacks and Better. My understanding is that the single RNG would choose the cards and then the program for each game would apply the appropriate pay table.

In fact, I hit quad deuces and quad 4s on this game, but had I been on DDB the payoffs would have been $2,000 each instead of $1,000 each on Aces Bonus.

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It's coincidence Alan. I can't speak for how many RNG' s are in a machine with that game included, but the machine I brought home had multiple. I know arci and some others say there's only one but I don't know how they'd know that unless they actually took down a machine like I did. And they all may not be the same.

I played the game about every two weeks in Pahrump up until June, and I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. Your mind does focus on those letters on the Aces, and now that you're more aware of the game and how to spell ACES then you should find the game to be a lot more enjoyable than BP.

Rob I know there is ONE RNG because I asked.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Rob I know there is ONE RNG because I asked.

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Is that in a certain type of machine, or do you think the person you asked meant or did say every one? I had one of those newest type machines that have built in TV's, and multiple other options.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Is that in a certain type of machine, or do you think the person you asked meant or did say every one? I had one of those newest type machines that have built in TV's, and multiple other options.

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I was able to talk to the slots director at one of the Caesars properties. Your device might be different. And if you recall, I once suggested that the machine that was on loan to you might have been a defective or test machine that indeed might have had a faulty RNG which accounted for what you found in your research. This is why I said that a study based on one single machine would not carry any weight in a discussion about allegations that the RNGs are not random.

The chances that Singer really has a VP machine are slim to none. Remember, he claimed it was kept in his garage. Well, we now know he had no garage. Strike one.

Next, in order to determine if there was more than one RNG one would need to reverse engineer the code. It's beyond obvious that Singer does not have the expertise to do that. Strike two.

Finally, his other claims about what he found all support his prior silly notions about VP machines. Pretty obvious that they are all made up. Strike three .... you're out.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

I was able to talk to the slots director at one of the Caesars properties. Your device might be different. And if you recall, I once suggested that the machine that was on loan to you might have been a defective or test machine that indeed might have had a faulty RNG which accounted for what you found in your research. This is why I said that a study based on one single machine would not carry any weight in a discussion about allegations that the RNGs are not random.

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I agree anything's possible Alan--with the exception that arci won't ever stop lying about me. He's been injured, his ego damaged, yet he still thinks what he says matters. Gee....I think I'll huff & puff and get mad enough to type in his REAL name, an address or two, and make up stuff about it!. I'll show him!! :)

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

I agree anything's possible Alan--with the exception that arci won't ever stop lying about me. He's been injured, his ego damaged, yet he still thinks what he says matters. Gee....I think I'll huff & puff and get mad enough to type in his REAL name, an address or two, and make up stuff about it!. I'll show him!! :)

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I already provided my name when I posted the link last spring to my bowling accomplishments. I guess you're going to need to come up with something else to try and get back at me for exposing the real Robert Harry, the man who has spent the 21st century living in a small apartment dreaming up fantasies that never happened and never will happen.

Gosh arc, come up with something else? It looks like he was mocking you over it again, like he wouldn't bother doing it because he's just been making a fool out of you and that's all he wants to do. I see this as you going over the cliff by looking up and paying for info on him, info that you would have spun whatever way you needed to so it would look like, at least to you because no one else seems to be buying it, you're better than him. Just like you ignored how I live in a home I own here in California while my folks live at a house a rent, the same address that's on my license which shows up on that nerd site you told us about. Not to mention how Singer said he did the same for years, only with his children. Doesn't fit your angry mold, right? You do scare me though.

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Originally Posted by jatki

Gosh arc, come up with something else? It looks like he was mocking you over it again, like he wouldn't bother doing it because he's just been making a fool out of you and that's all he wants to do. I see this as you going over the cliff by looking up and paying for info on him, info that you would have spun whatever way you needed to so it would look like, at least to you because no one else seems to be buying it, you're better than him. Just like you ignored how I live in a home I own here in California while my folks live at a house a rent, the same address that's on my license which shows up on that nerd site you told us about. Not to mention how Singer said he did the same for years, only with his children. Doesn't fit your angry mold, right? You do scare me though.

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Best $2 I ever spent, Robert Harry. It exposed you as a complete phoney with no house and no money. That means everything else you claimed is about 99.99% certain to be lies as well.

Have I mentioned what a great day this is yet? Swwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeett.