OSN, Tommy, Me & "others"

Good morning and happy thanksgiving to most. This post will probably not be interesting to many. But it is to me and I want to share it.

I recently read that Blackjack legend Tommy Hyland has over 100 entries in OSN, that is the database used in Las Vegas and other jurisdictions but heavily used in Vegas. I found this number astonishing! So I asked my friend in the industry if he could confirm that without too much trouble. He couldn't as his access only goes back about 4-5 years. He thinks there is probably a way to access the entries from earlier years but he doesn't have access to it. Ok. So in the last 5 years there are 16 Tommy entries. Again that is an astonishing number. We are talking entries in OSN, not backoff or barings!

For reference, I know I have had 5 in my 16 years. 5.5 sort of because one was updated with new information at one point. As a player with focus on longevity, I have always tried to minimize backoffs and most certainly entries in the databases. Tommy and his crew seem to play a little differently. Aggressively,. Get the money at all costs. I used to call this "slash & burn", because you were burning your bridges in exchange for getting as much money as you could in the moment. Tommy is/has proven that wrong. He isn't burning bridges. He just keeps going like the energizer bunny regardless of OSN entries.

Now I have developed a theory over the years that to survive OSN entries all a player really has to do is take a short break, and wait for that entry to fall down the list a bit, off the first page. That might be days. That might be weeks. However long it takes for some newer players to get busted. ;) Because casinos personnel that go to the database are 1) usually looking for someone specific and 2) only scroll through the most recent entries. They don't scroll pages and pages unless looking for someone specific. I think Tommy's situation with so many entries kind of proves that theory.

I have a golden rule that you don't want to be the biggest bettor at the table. And now I will add to that you don't want to be the freshest entry in OSN. Mark these as the first 2 of KJs survival/longevity rules. :cool:

The haters will come up with something about me stealing this info from somewhere, or whatever they tell themselves to convince themselves that I am not knowledgeable and can't be the AP that I am. Whatever works for you....boys!

Oh, one other thing. I am in OSN 5 times (5.5 if you count the update). Someone like Tommy is in 100 times I guess, although all can't be confirmed. Any REAL AP or player that wins will get backoffs and eventually be placed in OSN. There is NO avoiding it.

And yet, we have a guy on this forum (and WoV) claiming to have won 10's of millions of dollars playing blackjack and other table games over the past 7-8, while playing rated, and there is no hint of him by name, description, in OSN. Things that make you say hummm.

Again, happy Thanksgiving fellas.

Happy Thanksgiving, KewlJ.

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Happy Thanksgiving, KewlJ.

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Sorry account, I will no longer be acknowledging you after yesterday's cowardly display. I may not be able to avoid reading everything you write, but I will no longer acknowledge you.

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Happy Thanksgiving, KewlJ.

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Sorry account, I will no longer be acknowledging you after yesterday's cowardly display. I may not be able to avoid reading everything you write, but I will no longer acknowledge you.

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Lol the insanity. If you were anywhere near sane you'd simply not said anything. I was and am sincere in wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving.

Use the DMs and reach out to MisterV. He is clearly longing for your embrace.

I can't think of a time when being called a coward has made me continually giggle for many many seconds.

Kewl - I am still opening to betting but you have to define aspects and be willing to post up given you're a totally and a proudly anonymous guy who has no shame when it comes to lying. I'm not sure why you'd expect anyone to think you'd pay up a bet. Just examine the incentives and think of how the world works....

But I'm still here if you wish to bet on these things like I said. The amount would be dependent on how much you're willing to post up. Then we have to define what constitutes proof. I'm not a big fan of paper type documents as they're so easy to recreate with digital tools these days but I'm totally willing to do this if you are actually serious.

Don't listen to MisterV. He is clueless about gambling outside of knowing where the entrance to the casino is. I know he has your back but I'm telling you he's an idiot when it comes to this stuff. Calling me coward doesn't get away from the fact that I'm willing to move forward with this.

Account, I showeed you a courtesy of telling you why I don't want to deal with your trolling ass anymore. And you responded with more acctinQ type trolling.

What you did yesterday is far worse than the normal trolling on this troll forum. You accused me of lying 18 times and said you could prove it. And you said this dozens of times. When I threw down the gauntlet and said "ok lets go then. Put up money and prove it", you meekly started whiny "I didn't know I would have to prove anything and I didn't know money would be involved".

I don't know how you are not fucking embarrassed to even show up here, but I just want nothing to do with you. Sorry.

And thanks for hijacking my thread on a specific gambling topic. Took you all of 1 minute to hijack and troll the thread.

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Remember when FraudJ told all of us about his database listing containing his online handle kewlJ

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I remember. What about it?

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Let's just say Red Hand has zippo.....RIP:cool:

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kewlJ: just admit that you enjoy telling stories for attention on forums, and will try to stop doing this in the future.

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Lol. :D

I think you just telegraphed to the forum, what you will "find".

Shades of Singer asking if anyone know of the specific 10-play machine that several weeks later he would post pictures of a 1.5 million jackpot.

You might be a decent guy MaxPen as Boz and others are saying, but you are lame as a troll. You proved that with mickeycrimm.

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I'm not trolling. I will find out if there are any entries on you and if your online name is being used. You now responding this way tells me I'm on another online waste of time research project. But hey,, I'm a sucker.

If I do this and do find any entry with your forum name. I will then make it public info for your verification that I have the correct person:D. Unless the entry or entries show that you are not lying nor misleading in any way. I'm about tired of your nonsense.

Stay tuned funny boy.

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End result? NO ENTRIES. Zippo. All lies.

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Lol. :D

I think you just telegraphed to the forum, what you will "find".

Shades of Singer asking if anyone know of the specific 10-play machine that several weeks later he would post pictures of a 1.5 million jackpot.

You might be a decent guy MaxPen as Boz and others are saying, but you are lame as a troll. You proved that with mickeycrimm.

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I'm not trolling. I will find out if there are any entries on you and if your online name is being used. You now responding this way tells me I'm on another online waste of time research project. But hey,, I'm a sucker.

If I do this and do find any entry with your forum name. I will then make it public info for your verification that I have the correct person:D. Unless the entry or entries show that you are not lying nor misleading in any way. I'm about tired of your nonsense.

Stay tuned funny boy.

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End result? NO ENTRIES. Zippo. All lies.

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Yer not only an inveterate, compulsive, pathological liar, yer an imbecile as well, hey hey.

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If you were anywhere near sane

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I don't like you because you insulted me with your bullshit numerous times, FraudJ. I gave you the chance to fess up. Your shuffler story is less likely than any of this shit IMO.

This whole "APs have to believe me deep down inside" is some fairly serious mental illness. This need to hang on to some alternative reality that is clearly false. Sure it satisfies many of your needs. THe persecution need once you lost credibility.

Why would anyone believe anything you say?

Basically once FraudJ went past the math he done fucked up.

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You think you've proven your case??? :eek::eek: Absolute delusion.
To prove a case you must submit proof. But you never have and never will, remember?

Gentlemen, at this point I'm starting to realize kewl is bipolar. When these people are in a manic state they are often delusional.

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You really should seek professional help with your mental illnesses. I think there's more than two. Possibly four....RIP

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That UNKewlJ keeps prattling on with repeated inconsistencies as if he’s sealing the deal on anything other than mental illness is the main event at VCT!

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Yes, it is a concocted story in order to support the fraudulent storyline that is his wannabe life. This really is a mental illness. FraudJ said he wasn't going to share anything else. He can't help himself. What's funny is he is so ignorant about the realities of the real world that he can't even concoct a story with an ounce of believability. I'm going to blame that on the tunnel gas exposure effects on the brain.

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Keystone, thank you for realizing and bringing it to everyone's attention, just how completely and inappropriately obsessed these freaks are.

Dawg, Singer and now Acct, are so completely obsessed, it seems like they sit here just waiting for me to post so they can troll. That is their life. Actually, of the 3, I give Singer a little credit, as he just troll when he shows up, not like 1 minute after I post like these other stalkers.

Sometimes I find it amusing that I can control or trigger them. But that kind of entertainment only last so long before you remember just what they are stalking trolls with absolutely no life outside of stalking and trolling me. It is sad. I actually begin to feel bad. It gets to the point that I just say "I don't want to be a part of contributing to that sickness".

here is a test anyone can do. I troll some here. Maybe a lot. especially trolling BACK at those who troll me. But I also contribute and share real experiences from my gambling career. Find me the last time one of these obsessive trolls/stalkers contributed anything useful to this forum.

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Account, I showeed you a courtesy of telling you why I don't want to deal with your trolling ass anymore. And you responded with more acctinQ type trolling.

What you did yesterday is far worse than the normal trolling on this troll forum. You accused me of lying 18 times and said you could prove it. And you said this dozens of times. When I threw down the gauntlet and said "ok lets go then. Put up money and prove it", you meekly started whiny "I didn't know I would have to prove anything and I didn't know money would be involved".

I don't know how you are not fucking embarrassed to even show up here, but I just want nothing to do with you. Sorry.

And thanks for hijacking my thread on a specific gambling topic. Took you all of 1 minute to hijack and troll the thread.

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You did the courtesy of responding to my sincere Happy Thanksgiving comment with calling me a "coward" or rather "cowardly display". THen you expect me to not respond.

Like I've told you many times ... and explained many times ... It is pretty easy to get keep from dogging you because the amusement I get is limited and requires motivation. A simple "Happy Thanksgiving" back or saying nothing would have sufficed but instead you have to come up with another lie about "no longer acknowledging me" and "cowardly display".

You can't then whine.

Like you don't even understand how gambling works outside of reading this AP stuff on the internet. "Put up the money". Then I don't and you and doofus retired attorney start creaming... er uhm screaming. (Left the typo alone for lolz) Why would I ever "put up the money" and what does that even mean? It is just like some slogan you read somewhere.. you have no idea how betting amongst people works etc.

And again your quotes are completely not true and again I can ask you where did I say that and again you won't respond.

Regardless - Happy Thanksgiving but more importantly ....

Get HELP

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A lightning MDawg copy/paste (and more recently, automated AI) versus…

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KJ keeps trying to manually rephrase the same old nervous essays over and over. Can you imagine how much time and angst that takes?

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Keystone, thank you for realizing and bringing it to everyone's attention, just how completely and inappropriately obsessed these freaks are.

Dawg, Singer and now Acct, are so completely obsessed, it seems like they sit here just waiting for me to post so they can troll. That is their life. Actually, of the 3, I give Singer a little credit, as he just troll when he shows up, not like 1 minute after I post like these other stalkers.

Sometimes I find it amusing that I can control or trigger them. But that kind of entertainment only last so long before you remember just what they are stalking trolls with absolutely no life outside of stalking and trolling me. It is sad. I actually begin to feel bad. It gets to the point that I just say "I don't want to be a part of contributing to that sickness".

here is a test anyone can do. I troll some here. Maybe a lot. especially trolling BACK at those who troll me. But I also contribute and share real experiences from my gambling career. Find me the last time one of these obsessive trolls/stalkers contributed anything useful to this forum.

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You're so insane. I said Happy Thanksgiving and you went off 10x multiplier style. I wasn't even trolling in the least. You just love to see yourself type and when you run out of stuff you repeat - you start to make up Stories from Mars and .... it just never works out that well.

BTW - I can show you a real take and analysis about rigged shufflers. Explain what is likely true and what is possible. What is publicly known and what isn't.

You on the other hand just make up fantastical stories that will never happen .. then you dig deeper saying you back-counted 200 shoes at a casino to verify this. All coming from a guy who expends extrodinary effort at remaining under the radar.

Mdawg may be crazy but hes not insane.

So I will direct this to him. A guy who understands how real life wagering works.

Happy Thanksgiving !

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Keystone, thank you for realizing and bringing it to everyone's attention, just how completely and inappropriately obsessed these freaks are.

Dawg, Singer and now Acct, are so completely obsessed, it seems like they sit here just waiting for me to post so they can troll. That is their life. Actually, of the 3, I give Singer a little credit, as he just troll when he shows up, not like 1 minute after I post like these other stalkers.

Sometimes I find it amusing that I can control or trigger them. But that kind of entertainment only last so long before you remember just what they are stalking trolls with absolutely no life outside of stalking and trolling me. It is sad. I actually begin to feel bad. It gets to the point that I just say "I don't want to be a part of contributing to that sickness".

here is a test anyone can do. I troll some here. Maybe a lot. especially trolling BACK at those who troll me. But I also contribute and share real experiences from my gambling career. Find me the last time one of these obsessive trolls/stalkers contributed anything useful to this forum.

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I don`t really put Singer or Acctin? in the same category as the SN....they either don`t like you, or enjoy fucking with you, or both....But neither appears to be on this board 24/7 just waiting for you to appear like the Jihad Jerkoff does....and besides, they can articulate and use their own words to insult you unlike the same boring quote posts like this other loser does....like I`ve said before, I really think he`s attracted/fixated on you....pretty creepy, I`d be careful

Happy Thanks! accountinquestion.

I have been looking at those FPJ timepieces, they certainly do command a high price in the resale market. I haven't analyzed to see if they hold value compared to original MSRP, if they do, could be sustainable could be a FPJ bubble?

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I don`t really put Singer or Acctin? in the same category as the SN....they either don`t like you, or enjoy fucking with you, or both....But neither appears to be on this board 24/7 just waiting for you to appear like the Jihad Jerkoff does....and besides, they can articulate and use their own words to insult you unlike the same boring quote posts like this other loser does....like I`ve said before, I really think he`s attracted/fixated on you....pretty creepy, I`d be careful

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Singer is the one that I have always gotten a 'gaydar' type vibe from. Also Redeitz always seemed light in the loafers, but that is another story. Singer knows and talks about things that NO straight man knows or talks about. Don't dismiss it because he has been married for decades and has kids. I know many gay guys, including my late partner that went that route. Most usually find the courage to come out and be true to themselves at some point but not all. Singer displays all the classic symptoms of this kind of deeply closeted, deeply self hate type person to me.

I don't think Mdawg is gay, despite rumors of an interest in trannys or girls with dicks or whatever you call them, that he actually pays. His interest in me has to do with gambling. Dawg is a losing gambler. He can tell whatever stories he wants but he is a losing gambler and that explains everything that is missing from his stories. Why he gets comped, why there have never been counter-measures or concern from casinos about a guy playing the limits he claims. And why there is no hint of him or anyone close to his description in any OSN. Remember a while back Dan Druff said their was something "missing" from Dawgs story. The losing is what is/was missing. You accept the losing and EVERY single thing else actually works. All the stuff that doesn't work if he were really winning.

I think Dawg would like to be a winning player, but he isn't. he is a losing player that the casinos love and comp accordingly. And his jealousy of real winning players, myself, axelwolf and others comes through loud and clear. If dawg were really winning the amounts he claimed, there would be absolutely no reason why he would concern himself, 'punch down' at other players winning less than he. NONE.

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10x multiplier response

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from this weak willed mentally ill one.

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I don`t really put Singer or Acctin? in the same category as the SN....they either don`t like you, or enjoy fucking with you, or both....But neither appears to be on this board 24/7 just waiting for you to appear like the Jihad Jerkoff does....and besides, they can articulate and use their own words to insult you unlike the same boring quote posts like this other loser does....like I`ve said before, I really think he`s attracted/fixated on you....pretty creepy, I`d be careful

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Singer is the one that I have always gotten a 'gaydar' type vibe from. Also Redeitz always seemed light in the loafers, but that is another story. Singer knows and talks about things that NO straight man knows or talks about. Don't dismiss it because he has been married for decades and has kids. I know many gay guys, including my late partner that went that route. Most usually find the courage to come out and be true to themselves at some point but not all. Singer displays all the classic symptoms of this kind of deeply closeted, deeply self hate type person to me.

I don't think Mdawg is gay, despite rumors of an interest in trannys or girls with dicks or whatever you call them, that he actually pays. His interest in me has to do with gambling. Dawg is a losing gambler. He can tell whatever stories he wants but he is a losing gambler and that explains everything that is missing from his stories. Why he gets comped, why there have never been counter-measures or concern from casinos about a guy playing the limits he claims. And why there is no hint of him or anyone close to his description in any OSN. Remember a while back Dan Druff said their was something "missing" from Dawgs story. The losing is what is/was missing. You accept the losing and EVERY single thing else actually works. All the stuff that doesn't work if he were really winning.

I think Dawg would like to be a winning player, but he isn't. he is a losing player that the casinos love and comp accordingly. And his jealousy of real winning players, myself, axelwolf and others comes through loud and clear. If dawg were really winning the amounts he claimed, there would be absolutely no reason why he would concern himself, 'punch down' at other players winning less than he. NONE.

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I disagree...I don`t think I`ve ever come across a man fixated on another like he is with you. I think he`s definitely gay. But if his daddy found out, he`d probably get castrated or something....But who knows with those people. they fuck camels, their own cousins,old ladies etc....I can tell by how he acts he`s quite feminine....no way he has a wife either.(not female anyway)...Just another lie in his fairy tale mind

"The haters will come up with something about me stealing this info from somewhere"


Indeed.

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I don`t really put Singer or Acctin? in the same category as the SN....they either don`t like you, or enjoy fucking with you, or both....But neither appears to be on this board 24/7 just waiting for you to appear like the Jihad Jerkoff does....and besides, they can articulate and use their own words to insult you unlike the same boring quote posts like this other loser does....like I`ve said before, I really think he`s attracted/fixated on you....pretty creepy, I`d be careful

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Singer is the one that I have always gotten a 'gaydar' type vibe from. Also Redeitz always seemed light in the loafers, but that is another story. Singer knows and talks about things that NO straight man knows or talks about. Don't dismiss it because he has been married for decades and has kids. I know many gay guys, including my late partner that went that route. Most usually find the courage to come out and be true to themselves at some point but not all. Singer displays all the classic symptoms of this kind of deeply closeted, deeply self hate type person to me.

I don't think Mdawg is gay, despite rumors of an interest in trannys or girls with dicks or whatever you call them, that he actually pays. His interest in me has to do with gambling. Dawg is a losing gambler. He can tell whatever stories he wants but he is a losing gambler and that explains everything that is missing from his stories. Why he gets comped, why there have never been counter-measures or concern from casinos about a guy playing the limits he claims. And why there is no hint of him or anyone close to his description in any OSN. Remember a while back Dan Druff said their was something "missing" from Dawgs story. The losing is what is/was missing. You accept the losing and EVERY single thing else actually works. All the stuff that doesn't work if he were really winning.

I think Dawg would like to be a winning player, but he isn't. he is a losing player that the casinos love and comp accordingly. And his jealousy of real winning players, myself, axelwolf and others comes through loud and clear. If dawg were really winning the amounts he claimed, there would be absolutely no reason why he would concern himself, 'punch down' at other players winning less than he. NONE.

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I disagree...I don`t think I`ve ever come across a man fixated on another like he is with you. I think he`s definitely gay. But if his daddy found out, he`d probably get castrated or something....But who knows with those people. they fuck camels, their own cousins,old ladies etc....I can tell by how he acts he`s quite feminine....no way he has a wife either.(not female anyway)...Just another lie in his fairy tale mind

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It is true that being gay would not be accepted in his culture. But I am not entirely sure his father is still alive. he might be but Dawg is older than he portrays. If his father is a live he would be of an advanced age I believe. Not that, that isn't common these days.

I think there is somebody else, a family member, maybe uncle or something, maybe just a friend, that is the real high Roller that accumulates all the comps or most of the comps Dawg gets and uses. easy to think that someone that is the real higher roller losing gambler is his father, but I am just not so sure. It might even be a cleint that he sell watches too. Again that is/was Axelwolfs theory. I sort of dismised that theory when AW first came up with it, but as time has one on..... :)

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Happy Thanks! accountinquestion.

I have been looking at those FPJ timepieces, they certainly do command a high price in the resale market. I haven't analyzed to see if they hold value compared to original MSRP, if they do, could be sustainable could be a FPJ bubble?

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The watch market is beyond me. I honestly like watches for novel complications or dial design. Dependability has limited value outside having to pay to have the thing fixed. If your watch breaks then you just look at your phone. Thats where Rolex value is and the market is just so large that the price fluctuations are going to be a lot slower and smaller. I'd never put more than a sub percent of my networth on my wrist.

To date the most i've paid for a watch is about $1000 and it was for a Pogue. The first auto-chrono that made its way to the moon. Smuggled up by an astronaut. I bought it at a local shop and the serial number holds a special meaning for me. I'm too lazy to ever be in FPJ level of watches. I'm also as impressed at the price point the Chinese can hit. I bought a $60 automatic that has a power reserve meter .. and on the timegrapher it is less than 3 seconds/day in error. If it breaks - whatever. I have a phone in my pocket as backup.

Funnily enough the only group of people I've heard of around here who have elite watches was a group of "hackers". Probably lots of crypto money floating around. One even had a Ressence. Those are the guys who won't like the Rolexes although nothing wrong with them as they are of the highest quality.

Just turned on my timegrapher this morning for the first time. Neat. Weishi model for $150. Had one cheap chinese watch that is so awful the timegrapher couldn't even register.

Regarding FPJ? It might be a bubble, maybe not. They seem to be very premiumly priced but it seems that is more organic growth vs the games played by Rolex and their Authorized Dealers. I personally love the dials/styles and stories about the designer. lol. They don't say money because only a real watch geek would even know wtf one is. In general I don't think watches are good investments. Clearly if you were able to buy them before the price increase then I'd say a clear investment but buying after a big bubble. Like you can see the Richard Mille and how fucking ugly they are. Just too much. That style will never become timeless. Likely driven by celebrities and other idiots who didn't come into their money via intelligence. An FPJ (with some exceptions) has a far more timeless style and just not so similar to the others. I prefer to stand out a bit but not too much. I'm not sashaying about putting my hands on my waist saying - 'heeeey meeeeister' all day while background 200 shoes. Yanno?

If I had the money to blow though an FP Journe would definitely be my watch of choice. Instead I'll probably stick with a Ressence Type 3 as the first really nice watch I buy but I'm worried about the fact it has some sort of bladder system to deal with the oil. The oil is what makes it really "pop" (hate that phrase) given the optical properties of the oil. The problem then is the temperature fluctation means the oil volume changes signficantly and you can't have bubbles as that'd ruin it. So it has this whole system to deal with that but I haven't read too indepth.

Oh well, maybe I'll get my second business going. Pretty sure I I want to shut down the existing one but I'm too fond of my employees and they all like their jobs. I fucking hate running it though. I just want to read and watch videos about watches all day wishing I'd chosen the path of a watch-maker in my early years. If not that then I sit on here and interact with KJ.

I just bought some more gold .. good idea or bad? Anytime prices shoot up that quickly you have to be cautious but you know that you can't lose too much on gold. It is like any other real asset. Thats what us smart poor people do. Investing via watches is pure gambling but hey if you know what you're doing nothing wrong with that. I think people are starting to realizse the inevitiblity of central banks crapping out on us. I also went with lots of 5 gram bars this time so I can sell them easier.

Anyway - my 3 cents.

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"The haters will come up with something about me stealing this info from somewhere"


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Another guy I see no sense in responding to. Smurgerburger, you may be a successful AP. I don't really know, because you don't share anything except to troll. On this forum like many your SOLE purpose is to troll and hate. And I will no longer give oxygen to you people. Have a nice life.

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Singer is the one that I have always gotten a 'gaydar' type vibe from. Also Redeitz always seemed light in the loafers, but that is another story. Singer knows and talks about things that NO straight man knows or talks about. Don't dismiss it because he has been married for decades and has kids. I know many gay guys, including my late partner that went that route. Most usually find the courage to come out and be true to themselves at some point but not all. Singer displays all the classic symptoms of this kind of deeply closeted, deeply self hate type person to me.

I don't think Mdawg is gay, despite rumors of an interest in trannys or girls with dicks or whatever you call them, that he actually pays. His interest in me has to do with gambling. Dawg is a losing gambler. He can tell whatever stories he wants but he is a losing gambler and that explains everything that is missing from his stories. Why he gets comped, why there have never been counter-measures or concern from casinos about a guy playing the limits he claims. And why there is no hint of him or anyone close to his description in any OSN. Remember a while back Dan Druff said their was something "missing" from Dawgs story. The losing is what is/was missing. You accept the losing and EVERY single thing else actually works. All the stuff that doesn't work if he were really winning.

I think Dawg would like to be a winning player, but he isn't. he is a losing player that the casinos love and comp accordingly. And his jealousy of real winning players, myself, axelwolf and others comes through loud and clear. If dawg were really winning the amounts he claimed, there would be absolutely no reason why he would concern himself, 'punch down' at other players winning less than he. NONE.

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I disagree...I don`t think I`ve ever come across a man fixated on another like he is with you. I think he`s definitely gay. But if his daddy found out, he`d probably get castrated or something....But who knows with those people. they fuck camels, their own cousins,old ladies etc....I can tell by how he acts he`s quite feminine....no way he has a wife either.(not female anyway)...Just another lie in his fairy tale mind

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It is true that being gay would not be accepted in his culture. But I am not entirely sure his father is still alive. he might be but Dawg is older than he portrays. If his father is a live he would be of an advanced age I believe. Not that, that isn't common these days.

I think there is somebody else, a family member, maybe uncle or something, maybe just a friend, that is the real high Roller that accumulates all the comps or most of the comps Dawg gets and uses. easy to think that someone that is the real higher roller losing gambler is his father, but I am just not so sure. It might even be a cleint that he sell watches too. Again that is/was Axelwolfs theory. I sort of dismised that theory when AW first came up with it, but as time has one on..... :)

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You claimed your ex was younger than me but refused to answer the question of my age. How old am I?

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"The haters will come up with something about me stealing this info from somewhere"


Indeed.

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Another guy I see no sense in responding to. Smurgerburger, you may be a successful AP. I don't really know, because you don't share anything except to troll. On this forum like many your SOLE purpose is to troll and hate. And I will no longer give oxygen to you people. Have a nice life.

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He puts about as much effort into you as he does referencing AP stuff. He doesn't give paragraphs of info like Mickey did recently but he clearly posts things of value regarding AP stuff at times. Just because you only know what you read on the internet and desire to regurgitate every little drop to come across as an expert doesn't mean those with actual expertise should or will do the same.

Then you would just have more to regurgitate.

Think about it.

This fucking faggot won't give up! I don't care how old you are. You aren't going to be my new BF, so stop fucking trying to get my attention.

Go drink yourself silly, pull out you gun and blow you fucking brains out. Try not to hurt anyone else in the process. THAT would make for a good thanksgiving for me.

Now I have guests, friends and family coming over soon, which I am sure a loser like you can't understand. So fuck off loser. You want to talk about sincere? I sincerely hope the next things I hear about you is that you offed yourself and put yourself and us out of your misery. Can I be any more clear?

How rude of you to keep all of your guests waiting KJ.

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This fucking faggot won't give up! I don't care how old you are. You aren't going to be my new BF, so stop fucking trying to get my attention.

Go drink yourself silly, pull out you gun and blow you fucking brains out. Try not to hurt anyone else in the process. THAT would make for a good thanksgiving for me.

Now I have guests, friends and family coming over soon, which I am sure a loser like you can't understand. So fuck off loser. You want to talk about sincere? I sincerely hope the next things I hear about you is that you offed yourself and put yourself and us out of your misery. Can I be any more clear?

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I'm just pointing out your lies.. you seemed to say with authority that the older guy you dated was younger than me. So how old am I?

Simple question. Didn't mean to make you freak out. Calm down.

And it is very very clear that you ..

Need help.

But won't get it. :(

MisterV just encourages this behavior of yours because he wants a little vienna sausage sample .. so apparently you have no clue how old I am. I have proof your ex would be older than me. ;) Lies! Lies! Stop it! Every little fucking thing.

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I have actually offed myself.

Wow KJ...AIQ is literally dead because of you.

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Just because you only know what you read on the internet and desire to regurgitate every little drop to come across as an expert doesn't mean those with actual expertise should or will do the same.

Then you would just have more to regurgitate.

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Wow KJ...AIQ is literally dead because of you.

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He died figuratively when he said he had stone cold proof that KJ told 18 lies; when challenged to provide his claimed "proof" he pissed his bloomers and slunk off into the corner like the little bitch he is.

Dude, when you say you have stone cold proof on an internet forum and then are unable to provide same when asked you are consigned to the dunking stool.

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Wow KJ...AIQ is literally dead because of you.

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He died figuratively when he said he had stone cold proof that KJ told 18 lies; when challenged to provide his claimed "proof" he pissed his bloomers and slunk off into the corner like the little bitch he is.

Dude, when you say you have stone cold proof on an internet forum and then are unable to provide same when asked you are consigned to the dunking stool.

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Maybe the reason you're worked up about this is it secretly shook your faith for a moment.

Don't worry, KJ is sufficiently divorced from reality that the only way you can prove him a liar is when he slips up and gives too much detail (for example claiming local news networks had covered his backrooming incident). And then he will just claim "misdirection" if he can make that remotely plausible.

I have no "faith" in KJ which can be "shaken."

My beef with AIQ, other than the fact he's chosen to touch gloves with me, is his claim about having stone cold proof that KJ told 18 lies, then dodging proving it.

Oh, I know KJ has lied about some things but I defend him against the knot-heads who claim he lives in the tunnels, that he's a male prostitute and not the card counter he claims to be.

I never met KJ nor talked to him by phone, same as I've never met nor spoken to any of his detractors: I've no interest in taking of this nonsense into "The Real World" when quite frankly it's all just shits and giggles.

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I have no "faith" in KJ which can be "shaken."

My beef with AIQ, other than the fact he's chosen to touch gloves with me, is his claim about having stone cold proof that KJ told 18 lies, then dodging proving it.

Oh, I know KJ has lied about some things but I defend him against the knot-heads who claim he lives in the tunnels, that he's a male prostitute and not the card counter he claims to be.

I never met KJ nor talked to him by phone, same as I've never met nor spoken to any of his detractors: I've no interest in taking of this nonsense into "The Real World" when quite frankly it's all just shits and giggles.

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I'm not dodging to prove it. I don't want to dox KewlJ. It is that simple. If he puts up the money first like he said he would then I'll do it. I'm not the one who brought this money aspect into this btw. That was all him so he needs to lay down the rules and post the dough with a trusted third party.

All this cowardly this , cowardly that talk is nonsense and congruent with those people who refuse to accept the reality that the rest of this forum lives in. Those people specificall being you and Kewl.

And I'm sorry about lieing saying I was dead. (not lying?.. hmmm I'm barely literate btw)

If it was just "shits and giggles" then you really seem to be genuinely upset in your responses. Devoid of any sense of giggles but full of shits given.

Ya wanna a little nibble of the vienna sausage dontcha?

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My beef with AIQ, other than the fact he's chosen to touch gloves with me, is his claim about having stone cold proof that KJ told 18 lies, then dodging proving it.

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Apparently, this person doesn't understand or is pretending not to understand the difference in what he did. It is completely Ok to doubt someone and even express that you don't believe them. I do it all the time. People do it to me ALL the time. You can give the reasons why you don't believe them, which I try to do, or you can offer no reasons and just say you don't believe them.

That is quite a bit different than saying I can prove this person has lied 18 times and repeating it dozens of times. If you say I can prove, then you should be prepared to prove it and you should prove it.

AIQ isn't the first to do this and probably wont be the last. SeedValue did almost the exact same thing. Remember he kept talking about some kind of witnesses that were going to come forward and expose something (I forget exactly what), and guess what no witnesses ever came forward. Singer has also done a version of this many times with his claims that he knew information about me via his nephew the FBI agent. And despite that I gave him permission on multiple occasions he could NOT and has NOT produced a single thing. He has continued this as recently as a few nights ago when he came up with the little ditty about an arrest warrant having been issued for me. He can't come up with a name that would be on that warrent, nor where it was served.

If you are going to say you can prove something....be prepared to prove it. That is different than just doubting or trolling someone.

Lets review yet again the AIQ situation: Dozens of times he stated he could PROVE I had lied about at least 18 things. When I said ok and lets do this and lets put some money on it, he turned into a pussy whimpering "I didn't know I would have to prove anything or that money was involved". That is a grade 1 coward and pussy!

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One thing you can tell, when UNKewlJ makes with the all bold sentences one after another something has really gotten to him. You can practically see the hand cocked onto his side, the bent elbow and the high pitched whiny voice complaining, "Now wayyyyt a minute, Misterrrrr."

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And then there is this. (above).

If I don't post on this forum, like today for about 8 hours during thanksgiving with some friends and family, or occasionally I take a few days maybe up to a week off, then there is crickets from these trolls like AIQ and the Turtle. NOT A Peep. But then I make a post and boom, within minutes sometime 1 minute they are there trolling.

Blackhole was banned from this forum because "he did nothing but troll. Never contributed anything positive". Dan Druff's exact words. Well what does Dawg or AIQ contribute to this forum that isn't trolling? And I am not even calling for either to be banned. How about just limiting their ability to hijack and troll to a certain area or certain threads so as not to ruin EVERY thread and discussion with the same old shit. Today it took AIQ exactly 1 minute to hijack and ruin a thread about Tommy Hyland and OSN, a legitimate gambling topic.

There is a reason, we are down to like 2 or 3 people occasionally sharing some gambling related experiences and 5-6 trolls, trolling them on this forum. exactly how far down do we have to go into the sewer with this shit? Run the forum all the way into the ground to the last person? And why do you think we never get a new member here or if one shows up they never stick around more than a day or two.

If "Free speech" means you can just lie, stalk harass and attack people at will, to the point that you drive away all decent posters and discourage any new ones, then I am sorry Dan Druff but your idea of free speech doesn't work.

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If you are going to say you can prove something....be prepared to prove it. That is different than just doubting or trolling someone.

Lets review yet again the AIQ situation: Dozens of times he stated he could PROVE I had lied about at least 18 things. When I said ok and lets do this and lets put some money on it, he turned into a pussy whimpering "I didn't know I would have to prove anything or that money was involved". That is a grade 1 coward and pussy!

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You have said people don't have to prove anything on this site. Many many times. I'm telling you the same thing. How dense can you be?

Again - I am ready to put money on it but you need to define the bet and post the money. This isn't rocket science. You've never associated with actual gamblers and it shows.

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Today it took AIQ exactly 1 minute to hijack and ruin a thread about Tommy Hyland and OSN, a legitimate gambling topic.

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You can't even do basic subtraction - how could you possibly use a count system. "exactly 1 minute". Yet another lie. Go do the math. It is incredible. "Exactly wrong".

There is proof one. So where's my money?

And secondly all I did was say "Happy THanksgiving" on Thanksgiving. It is clear you love the drama as much as anyone and thats why I'm content to give it to you. I didn't ruin any thread. You had the option to say nothing or Happy Thanksgiving back. Man you are retarded. It is clear why you never accomplished anything in life outside of this incredibly elaborate fantasy forum life.

Also - I want to protect the readers from believing your gambling nonsense purely made up from nonsense you've read elsewhere on the 'net.

And while I am at the soap box, bring back Boz to THIS forum. He was basically banned from here because of his actions and comments at Druff's other forum. I realized Boz pushed the issue by bring some of that here, where no one cared or even knew about the drama he was talking about. BUT he should have gotten a little more warning, than just Druff flying off the handle like he did.

Boz is an experienced gambler. He can be a good poster on gambling topics. I know like some others he is deeply emerced into the culture war, and it is a war with people literally wanting or wishing harm on those that disagree with them. I hate that the internet has lead to this. Maybe Boz is too far down that road and can't separate the two. But he should have had more warning and more of a chance than he got.

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There is a reason, we are down to like 2 or 3 people occasionally sharing some gambling related experiences and 5-6 trolls, trolling them on this forum. exactly how far down do we have to go into the sewer with this shit? Run the forum all the way into the ground to the last person? And why do you think we never get a new member here or if one shows up they never stick around more than a day or two.

If "Free speech" means you can just lie, stalk harass and attack people at will, to the point that you drive away all decent posters and discourage any new ones, then I am sorry Dan Druff but your idea of free speech doesn't work.

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Bro - you would have no one to talk to. I believe you've been banned from many other forums for whatever reason. Rubbish rubbish and more RUBBISH!! haha.. keep it going Kewl with the nonstop lies. I still have some wind left in me.

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Boz is an experienced gambler. He can be a good poster on gambling topic. I know like some others he is deeply emerced into the culture war, and it is a war with people literally wanting or wishing harm on those that disagree with them. I hate that the internet has lead to this. Maybe Boz is too far down that road and can't separate the two. But he should have had more warning and more of a chance than he got.

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THis is what you did earlier with the whole talk about me shooting myself and it making you happy.

There is proof 2 you are full of shit and I've only been here for 10 minutes.

Get help!!!!!! lolol

Premium Insane Forum Mascot!

Why can you not seem to understand that I am done with you. I simply do not want to play your trolling and hate game anymore. I am over it. I have said this in EVERY way I can think of to say it and yet here you are back begging for my attention.

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Why can you not seem to understand that I am done with you. I simply do not want to play your trolling and hate game anymore. I am over it. I have said this in EVERY way I can think of to say it and yet here you are back begging for my attention.

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Brother, I have never said anything about wishing any harm on you. You're the psycho with the head+gun fantasies. Infact that is why I won't show my list of 18 things because I don't want to dox you in front of your real enemies. Just not cool.

Do you really not realize that? I said Happy Thanksgiving and basically meant it. I hold you no particular ill will. Anyway, my issues with you have been rehashed. I've told you if you didn't bring up the shuffler nonsense or a few other things I'd leave you alone.

Just like you write long-winded pages saving people from Singer and MDawg - I do the same for you. If you would just stick to your posts where you purely regurgitate stuff from the internet and the math works then I'd be fine to just read and let you be.

Again, Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you truly had a good time with your family. Outside of having me repeat your nonsense to others in real life you have done me no harm. Sure I like to get a reaction but it is very clear you like GIVING reactions.

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Wow KJ...AIQ is literally dead because of you.

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He died figuratively when he said he had stone cold proof that KJ told 18 lies; when challenged to provide his claimed "proof" he pissed his bloomers and slunk off into the corner like the little bitch he is.

Dude, when you say you have stone cold proof on an internet forum and then are unable to provide same when asked you are consigned to the dunking stool.

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I feel like we have had this conversation at least one time before but it is not actually a dunking stool. It’s called a ducking stool, or more humorously a cucking stool,

Easy mistake to make though. Like confusing East Bubblefuck with East Bumblefuck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducking_stool

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Why can you not seem to understand that I am done with you. I simply do not want to play your trolling and hate game anymore. I am over it. I have said this in EVERY way I can think of to say it and yet here you are back begging for my attention.

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Brother, I have never said anything about wishing any harm on you. You're the psycho with the head+gun fantasies. Infact that is why I won't show my list of 18 things because I don't want to dox you in front of your real enemies. Just not cool.

Do you really not realize that? I said Happy Thanksgiving and basically meant it. I hold you no particular ill will. Anyway, my issues with you have been rehashed. I've told you if you didn't bring up the shuffler nonsense or a few other things I'd leave you alone.

Just like you write long-winded pages saving people from Singer and MDawg - I do the same for you. If you would just stick to your posts where you purely regurgitate stuff from the internet and the math works then I'd be fine to just read and let you be.

Again, Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you truly had a good time with your family. Outside of having me repeat your nonsense to others in real life you have done me no harm. Sure I like to get a reaction but it is very clear you like GIVING reactions.

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You can see a timeline of people posting on multiple forums all day on Thanksgiving. I guess fake money only goes so far.

Once again, kew begins another thread for the sole purpose of desperately trying to garner relevance & attention while begging for others to be convinced he's something he's not, then he proceeds to do that which he does best: lie. "Sorry AQ but I'm no longer gonna acknowledge you" was the wussified girly-man cry....the he immediately began acknowledging him right on weakass, helpless queue. What a spineless, useless and self-loathing POS!

And I like it! Of course, this type of thread happens when a loser and failure in life with loose screws upstairs has no family--or friends--to fall back on during the holidays. :)

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Once again, kew begins another thread for the sole purpose of desperately trying to garner relevance & attention while begging for others to be convinced he's something he's not, then he proceeds to do that which he does best: lie. "Sorry AQ but I'm no longer gonna acknowledge you" was the wussified girly-man cry....the he immediately began acknowledging him right on weakass, helpless queue. What a spineless, useless and self-loathing POS!

And I like it! Of course, this type of thread happens when a loser and failure in life with loose screws upstairs has no family--or friends--to fall back on during the holidays. :)

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Singer I do have family and friends and had a very nice thanksgiving with a small group of 8 of them.

This is a gambling forum, or what is left of a gambling forum. I have every right to initiate threads and discussions about gambling.

So just fuck off you old freak.

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Once again, kew begins another thread for the sole purpose of desperately trying to garner relevance & attention while begging for others to be convinced he's something he's not, then he proceeds to do that which he does best: lie. "Sorry AQ but I'm no longer gonna acknowledge you" was the wussified girly-man cry....the he immediately began acknowledging him right on weakass, helpless queue. What a spineless, useless and self-loathing POS!

And I like it! Of course, this type of thread happens when a loser and failure in life with loose screws upstairs has no family--or friends--to fall back on during the holidays. :)

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Singer I do have family and friends and had a very nice thanksgiving with a small group of 8 of them.

This is a gambling forum, or what is left of a gambling forum. I have every right to initiate threads and discussions about gambling.

So just fuck off you old freak.

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You have nothing and nobody---just like you come off. And you KNOW everyone already sees you as nothing but a big fat liar who fabricates because he's a failure in real life. Just check all the comments....and number of commentators:)

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Once again, kew begins another thread for the sole purpose of desperately trying to garner relevance & attention while begging for others to be convinced he's something he's not, then he proceeds to do that which he does best: lie. "Sorry AQ but I'm no longer gonna acknowledge you" was the wussified girly-man cry....the he immediately began acknowledging him right on weakass, helpless queue. What a spineless, useless and self-loathing POS!

And I like it! Of course, this type of thread happens when a loser and failure in life with loose screws upstairs has no family--or friends--to fall back on during the holidays. :)

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He is so crazy. No one else that would have a serious argument with him is as big of a loser as me so he doesn't have to deal with some credibility crisis.

It bothers him with his new thread starting.

Instead of just shutting up and moving on he digs deeper. Doesn't ever listen. The dysfunction of his brain is like woooooah. I'm a bit nuts but thise guy shines craziness like the sun.

The new threads where he tries to validate himself after being beat over the head. wow.

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Once again, kew begins another thread for the sole purpose of desperately trying to garner relevance & attention while begging for others to be convinced he's something he's not, then he proceeds to do that which he does best: lie. "Sorry AQ but I'm no longer gonna acknowledge you" was the wussified girly-man cry....the he immediately began acknowledging him right on weakass, helpless queue. What a spineless, useless and self-loathing POS!

And I like it! Of course, this type of thread happens when a loser and failure in life with loose screws upstairs has no family--or friends--to fall back on during the holidays. :)

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He is so crazy. No one else that would have a serious argument with him is as big of a loser as me so he doesn't have to deal with some credibility crisis.

It bothers him with his new thread starting.

Instead of just shutting up and moving on he digs deeper. Doesn't ever listen. The dysfunction of his brain is like woooooah. I'm a bit nuts but thise guy shines craziness like the sun.

The new threads where he tries to validate himself after being beat over the head. wow.

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When someone knows they've been reduced to kibble through their own fault but just cannot stand the thought of everybody else being witnesses to the pummeling, they reach desperation stage. In kew's case, he reacts by trying to look legit every time. Here, we've been treated to a shuffle machine/bj pro story, in which he predictably changes the narrative to being all about him....again.

Stepping away from AI for a minute, which has UNKewlJ as pegged as anything with every response it plugs in, all you need to think about, besides the lies that were admitted or established conclusively (of which there were plenty), is the phrase, Beyond a reasonable doubt. V you should know this.

Take just the Villanova nonsense. Besides the repeated contradictions over whether she ever went to college or not, how many years and whether ever graduated (not even a good liar, can’t keep a story straight), we’ve got constant slips of poor grammar (doesn’t know the difference between words like affect and effect, threw and through), and rampant misspellings, including just above

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, and words like “despense,” "endorce," etc. These sorts of ignoramus mistakes are those of an uneducated high school dropout, not anyone who took any college let alone graduated from one.

Then take the MGM Execs story. First UNKewlJ claimed that he matched MDawg from personal identifying information and promised to disclose it. Then later claimed that no one ever gave him any personal identifying information, and certainly no name. Now, forgetting what she said before, she's returned to claiming that she does in fact have a name. Besides the fact that MDawg was never at any one casino for long in 2021 (or any other year), the absurdity of the story and that she can't even present it consistently, is just more proof of that she

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- Beyond a reasonable doubt.

For each and every lie UNKewlJ pours out there is sufficient contradiction and evidence to support beyond a reasonable doubt that she did in fact lie, and for many there are flat out admissions or absolute proof.



And lies aside - the obvious mental illness. UNKewlJ’s expressions of mania manifest via painful intensity followed by total confusion. Anyone

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like that at great length - all those 10X Multipliers - is suffering from mania. There is a manic force pounding in the UNKewlJ head that drives it to produce those sheets of text daily. This is not copy/paste, this is not AI automated, we are talking about

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pounding out manually over and over sometimes even conflicting, versions of the same thing. Clearly manic depressive probably borderline schizophrenic, where the periods of depression are when she stalks off to shiver under the covers and hide from forum view (

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is but a symptom of the obvious mental illness.

The proof is in the pudding as to both the lies and the mental illness. There is nobody here who may objectively deny the existence of both.

This retard is a closeted homosexual.

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Apparently, this person doesn't understand or is pretending not to understand the difference in what he did. It is completely Ok to doubt someone and even express that you don't believe them. I do it all the time. People do it to me ALL the time. You can give the reasons why you don't believe them, which I try to do, or you can offer no reasons and just say you don't believe them.

That is quite a bit different than saying I can prove this person has lied 18 times and repeating it dozens of times. If you say I can prove, then you should be prepared to prove it and you should prove it.

AIQ isn't the first to do this and probably wont be the last.

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No, there are several "flies" like this AIQ leech that flit about in this forum feasting and gorging themselves on the shit of others.

They smear the shit on the forum walls and proclaim "What a good boy am I !"

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Why can you not seem to understand that I am done with you. I simply do not want to play your trolling and hate game anymore. I am over it. I have said this in EVERY way I can think of to say it and yet here you are back begging for my attention.

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Brother, I have never said anything about wishing any harm on you. You're the psycho with the head+gun fantasies. Infact that is why I won't show my list of 18 things because I don't want to dox you in front of your real enemies. Just not cool.

Do you really not realize that? I said Happy Thanksgiving and basically meant it. I hold you no particular ill will. Anyway, my issues with you have been rehashed. I've told you if you didn't bring up the shuffler nonsense or a few other things I'd leave you alone.

Just like you write long-winded pages saving people from Singer and MDawg - I do the same for you. If you would just stick to your posts where you purely regurgitate stuff from the internet and the math works then I'd be fine to just read and let you be.

Again, Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you truly had a good time with your family. Outside of having me repeat your nonsense to others in real life you have done me no harm. Sure I like to get a reaction but it is very clear you like GIVING reactions.

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You can see a timeline of people posting on multiple forums all day on Thanksgiving. I guess fake money only goes so far.

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Good to see you posting here a bit Axel. I miss you. Even though we have done our share of arguing, you are a real player who knows what is real and what isn't and unfortunately we have lost most of us and the trolls have just taken over.

So being the naturalist, live off the land, Grizzly Adams guy that you now are, do you shoot your own bird this year? Of did you just catch, cook and eat fish for thanksgiving dinner? :D

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Even though we have done our share of arguing, you are a real player who knows what is real and what isn't and unfortunately we have lost most of us and the trolls have just taken over.

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Expanding on this a bit. I came to this forum 8 years ago, when many of us APs exited a forum with a crazy ass owner. It was at mickeycrimm's suggestion that I come here. He said there were AP's here that shared experiences along with a group of trolls. He specifically mentioned I might enjoy arguing with Rob Singer (who I had never heard of) about his claims.

So when I got here there was a nice mix. A good number of AP's that I knew most from other forums, mickey of course, Axelwolf, RS_ (blackjack player not to be confused with Singer), MaxPen, JBJB, Boz, I am sure a couple others I am forgetting. there was also a number of people that I immediately labeled "anti-AP" who's only mission was to fight with the AP's. People like Belly, and Rob, and blackhole, and a couple others.

Alan was here of course. and Alan was a little bit anti-AP, but not in the nasty ways of the others. He mostly just liked to argue. I think his son might even agree with that. Oh and there was Dan Druff, an AP who actually particpated regularly on this forum. MisterV, who I knew from WoV, a great poster who was a recreation player and never pretended to be anything else came a few months later. And oh yeah, there was a supposed "professional sports bettor" here. I was actually excited about that at the time.

When Midwest player (very occasional member) announced at the old blackjack forum that I was here, we had a few real blackjack APs players visit. Unfortunately none stayed long.

Unfortunately over the last 8 years, Most APs have dropped, deciding not to put up with this BS. And any new ones that came, never stayed long. But the new people that did come were either trolling anti-AP or became trolling AP pretty quickly, so that side grew.

And that is where we are today. just a couple real APs left vs a half dozen anti-AP trolls trolling. And the remaining APs, have no desire to share all that much. Even me, who's primary thing was to share some of what I do, no longer shares very much. I just spend my time return fire on the trolls and KJ haters, which have grown.

I don't know what the forum was like under Alan, but that has been the history under Druff. A steady stream away from real players sharing experiences and things they do, and toward people just trolling, lying, making up ridiculous claims, like singer and dawg.

Sad.

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That's not your only lie.

More importantly, you take questioning of these lies very personally, and actually get angry at anyone who dares suggest that you aren't being truthful. You get extremely upset by people not believing you.

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Brother, I have never said anything about wishing any harm on you. You're the psycho with the head+gun fantasies. Infact that is why I won't show my list of 18 things because I don't want to dox you in front of your real enemies. Just not cool.

Do you really not realize that? I said Happy Thanksgiving and basically meant it. I hold you no particular ill will. Anyway, my issues with you have been rehashed. I've told you if you didn't bring up the shuffler nonsense or a few other things I'd leave you alone.

Just like you write long-winded pages saving people from Singer and MDawg - I do the same for you. If you would just stick to your posts where you purely regurgitate stuff from the internet and the math works then I'd be fine to just read and let you be.

Again, Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you truly had a good time with your family. Outside of having me repeat your nonsense to others in real life you have done me no harm. Sure I like to get a reaction but it is very clear you like GIVING reactions.

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You can see a timeline of people posting on multiple forums all day on Thanksgiving. I guess fake money only goes so far.

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Good to see you posting here a bit Axel. I miss you. Even though we have done our share of arguing, you are a real player who knows what is real and what isn't and unfortunately we have lost most of us and the trolls have just taken over.

So being the naturalist, live off the land, Grizzly Adams guy that you now are, do you shoot your own bird this year? Of did you just catch, cook and eat fish for thanksgiving dinner? :D

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No, I haven't been fishing for a few days; I have just been busy with too many other projects. However, I did cook the chicken(instead of turkey, we prefer it) over an open fire after brining it. I have never brined before, but it was very juicy and flavorful. I will forever brine my birds from now on.

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You can see a timeline of people posting on multiple forums all day on Thanksgiving. I guess fake money only goes so far.

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Good to see you posting here a bit Axel. I miss you. Even though we have done our share of arguing, you are a real player who knows what is real and what isn't and unfortunately we have lost most of us and the trolls have just taken over.

So being the naturalist, live off the land, Grizzly Adams guy that you now are, do you shoot your own bird this year? Of did you just catch, cook and eat fish for thanksgiving dinner? :D

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No, I haven't been fishing for a few days; I have just been busy with too many other projects. However, I did cook the chicken(instead of turkey, we prefer it) over an open fire after brining it. I have never brined before, but it was very juicy and flavorful. I will forever brine my birds from now on.

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NICE!

I am not a big turkey guy myself. Once a year is fine. It is tradition and seems important to my mom. Me personally, being a simple guy, I could enjoy a good Thanksgiving meatloaf (homemade) just as much. And I know my brother would prefer a steak on the grill which he eats way too often. Luckily there are 364 other days in the year. :D

Be well and happy Axelwolf.

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Fuck off Axel. AP community? What the fuck do I care about the AP community? I did. But no more. No one in the AP community has supported me.

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Sure, Axel and I have at times been on opposite sides of a discussion or argument. Mickeycrimm and me too.

But here is a challenge for you dawg. Ask both who they believe more me or you about our gambling stories/background and see what they say. maybe they would say you...i don't know....but I wouldn't bet on that.

OR how about you take it a little further. ask the membership at WoV, where I am not even a member who they believe more, me or you and see what the results are. VCT doesn't work because there is a disproportionate number of trolls and haters to APs.

I don't know if you know this Turtle, but I once asked Wizard if I could do such a poll. He said no and said it wouldn't be fair to embarrass you like that. So at least you got something for your money in paying off Wiz. :rolleyes:

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I am not a big turkey guy myself. Once a year is fine. It is tradition and seems important to my mom. Me personally, being a simple guy, I could enjoy a good Thanksgiving meatloaf (homemade) just as much.

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Coincidentally, I was talking with the attendant at the fitness center I go to and she said her family told her "No more turkey !"

Now she makes what they REALLY want for Thanksgiving: meatloaf wrapped in bacon.

I'd prefer it also, but people seem to put a lot of importance on "tradition," so...

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I am not a big turkey guy myself. Once a year is fine. It is tradition and seems important to my mom. Me personally, being a simple guy, I could enjoy a good Thanksgiving meatloaf (homemade) just as much.

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Coincidentally, I was talking with the attendant at the fitness center I go to and she said her family told her "No more turkey !"

Now she makes what they REALLY want for Thanksgiving: meatloaf wrapped in bacon.

I'd prefer it also, but people seem to put a lot of importance on "tradition," so...

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I make that sometimes. Both wrapped in bacon and with bacon chopped up inside the loaf. The bacon inside will result in extra grease though.

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All you need to think about, besides the lies that were admitted or established conclusively (of which there were plenty), is the phrase, Beyond a reasonable doubt. V you should know this.

Take just the Villanova nonsense. Besides the repeated contradictions over whether she ever went to college or not, how many years and whether ever graduated (not even a good liar, can’t keep a story straight), we’ve got constant slips of poor grammar (doesn’t know the difference between words like affect and effect, threw and through), and rampant misspellings, including just above

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that warrent

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, and words like “despense,” "endorce," etc. These sorts of ignoramus mistakes are those of an uneducated high school dropout, not anyone who took any college let alone graduated from one.

Then take the MGM Execs story. First UNKewlJ claimed that he matched MDawg from personal identifying information and promised to disclose it. Then later claimed that no one ever gave him any personal identifying information, and certainly no name. Now, forgetting what she said before, she's returned to claiming that she does in fact have a name. Besides the fact that MDawg was never at any one casino for long in 2021 (or any other year), the absurdity of the story and that she can't even present it consistently, is just more proof of that she

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- Beyond a reasonable doubt.

For each and every lie UNKewlJ pours out there is sufficient contradiction and evidence to support beyond a reasonable doubt that she did in fact lie, and for many there are flat out admissions or absolute proof.



And lies aside - the obvious mental illness. UNKewlJ’s expressions of mania manifest via painful intensity followed by total confusion. Anyone

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like that at great length - all those 10X Multipliers - is suffering from mania. There is a manic force pounding in the UNKewlJ head that drives it to produce those sheets of text daily. This is not copy/paste, this is not AI automated, we are talking about

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pounding out manually over and over sometimes even conflicting, versions of the same thing. Clearly manic depressive probably borderline schizophrenic, where the periods of depression are when she stalks off to shiver under the covers and hide from forum view (

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).

Anyone glancing through even a bit of the sheets of text UNKewlJ spews daily knows this to be true. We’re not dealing with someone who is all there and the

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is but a symptom of the obvious mental illness.

The proof is in the pudding as to both the lies and the mental illness. There is nobody here who may objectively deny the existence of both.

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All you need to think about, besides the lies that were admitted or established conclusively (of which there were plenty), is the phrase, Beyond a reasonable doubt. V you should know this.

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hmmm...then again, could it be that perhaps I am merrily trolling the trollers in my "support" of KJ?

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Frankly I don't give a flying fuck whether KJ is what he says or whether he's played y'all like a fiddle.

Supporting him is a game I play "just because."

He may well lie.

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All you need to think about, besides the lies that were admitted or established conclusively (of which there were plenty), is the phrase, Beyond a reasonable doubt. V you should know this.

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hmmm...then again, could it be that perhaps I am merrily trolling the trollers in my "support" of KJ?

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I would not say merrily as you come across quite angry at times. Maybe I just read too much into it because it is aimed at me?

LOL

WHy should or would I be "angry" with you?

Just words on a screen.

I may allow myself to get momentarily worked up over what I feel is an inane comment and sure, I flame in response...but it's cathartic.

You know, sort of like letting loose with a good "toot" to ease gas pains.

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LOL

WHy should or would I be "angry" with you?

Just words on a screen.

I may allow myself to get momentarily worked up over what I feel is an inane comment and sure, I flame in response...but it's cathartic.

You know, sort of like letting loose with a good "toot" to ease gas pains.

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I don't know that is just the way I read it. I'd have to go through the posts to know why I think that. I don't remember your random insults that well.

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Good morning and happy thanksgiving to most. This post will probably not be interesting to many. But it is to me and I want to share it.

I recently read that Blackjack legend Tommy Hyland has over 100 entries in OSN, that is the database used in Las Vegas and other jurisdictions but heavily used in Vegas. I found this number astonishing! So I asked my friend in the industry if he could confirm that without too much trouble. He couldn't as his access only goes back about 4-5 years. He thinks there is probably a way to access the entries from earlier years but he doesn't have access to it. Ok. So in the last 5 years there are 16 Tommy entries. Again that is an astonishing number. We are talking entries in OSN, not backoff or barings!

For reference, I know I have had 5 in my 16 years. 5.5 sort of because one was updated with new information at one point. As a player with focus on longevity, I have always tried to minimize backoffs and most certainly entries in the databases. Tommy and his crew seem to play a little differently. Aggressively,. Get the money at all costs. I used to call this "slash & burn", because you were burning your bridges in exchange for getting as much money as you could in the moment. Tommy is/has proven that wrong. He isn't burning bridges. He just keeps going like the energizer bunny regardless of OSN entries.

Now I have developed a theory over the years that to survive OSN entries all a player really has to do is take a short break, and wait for that entry to fall down the list a bit, off the first page. That might be days. That might be weeks. However long it takes for some newer players to get busted. ;) Because casinos personnel that go to the database are 1) usually looking for someone specific and 2) only scroll through the most recent entries. They don't scroll pages and pages unless looking for someone specific. I think Tommy's situation with so many entries kind of proves that theory.

I have a golden rule that you don't want to be the biggest bettor at the table. And now I will add to that you don't want to be the freshest entry in OSN. Mark these as the first 2 of KJs survival/longevity rules. :cool:

The haters will come up with something about me stealing this info from somewhere, or whatever they tell themselves to convince themselves that I am not knowledgeable and can't be the AP that I am. Whatever works for you....boys!

Oh, one other thing. I am in OSN 5 times (5.5 if you count the update). Someone like Tommy is in 100 times I guess, although all can't be confirmed. Any REAL AP or player that wins will get backoffs and eventually be placed in OSN. There is NO avoiding it.

And yet, we have a guy on this forum (and WoV) claiming to have won 10's of millions of dollars playing blackjack and other table games over the past 7-8, while playing rated, and there is no hint of him by name, description, in OSN. Things that make you say hummm.

Again, happy Thanksgiving fellas.

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I have a Griffen book from around 1999 that at the time lists Tommy Hyland's known associates, addresses, aliases, and phone numbers, including what they were believed to be doing, along with various other stories and information. I don't know how many times he's mentioned in the Griffin book, as I didn't dig into it that deep.

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Good morning and happy thanksgiving to most. This post will probably not be interesting to many. But it is to me and I want to share it.

I recently read that Blackjack legend Tommy Hyland has over 100 entries in OSN, that is the database used in Las Vegas and other jurisdictions but heavily used in Vegas. I found this number astonishing! So I asked my friend in the industry if he could confirm that without too much trouble. He couldn't as his access only goes back about 4-5 years. He thinks there is probably a way to access the entries from earlier years but he doesn't have access to it. Ok. So in the last 5 years there are 16 Tommy entries. Again that is an astonishing number. We are talking entries in OSN, not backoff or barings!

For reference, I know I have had 5 in my 16 years. 5.5 sort of because one was updated with new information at one point. As a player with focus on longevity, I have always tried to minimize backoffs and most certainly entries in the databases. Tommy and his crew seem to play a little differently. Aggressively,. Get the money at all costs. I used to call this "slash & burn", because you were burning your bridges in exchange for getting as much money as you could in the moment. Tommy is/has proven that wrong. He isn't burning bridges. He just keeps going like the energizer bunny regardless of OSN entries.

Now I have developed a theory over the years that to survive OSN entries all a player really has to do is take a short break, and wait for that entry to fall down the list a bit, off the first page. That might be days. That might be weeks. However long it takes for some newer players to get busted. ;) Because casinos personnel that go to the database are 1) usually looking for someone specific and 2) only scroll through the most recent entries. They don't scroll pages and pages unless looking for someone specific. I think Tommy's situation with so many entries kind of proves that theory.

I have a golden rule that you don't want to be the biggest bettor at the table. And now I will add to that you don't want to be the freshest entry in OSN. Mark these as the first 2 of KJs survival/longevity rules. :cool:

The haters will come up with something about me stealing this info from somewhere, or whatever they tell themselves to convince themselves that I am not knowledgeable and can't be the AP that I am. Whatever works for you....boys!

Oh, one other thing. I am in OSN 5 times (5.5 if you count the update). Someone like Tommy is in 100 times I guess, although all can't be confirmed. Any REAL AP or player that wins will get backoffs and eventually be placed in OSN. There is NO avoiding it.

And yet, we have a guy on this forum (and WoV) claiming to have won 10's of millions of dollars playing blackjack and other table games over the past 7-8, while playing rated, and there is no hint of him by name, description, in OSN. Things that make you say hummm.

Again, happy Thanksgiving fellas.

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I have a Griffen book from around 1999 that at the time lists Tommy Hyland's known associates, addresses, aliases, and phone numbers, including what they were believed to be doing, along with various other stories and information. I don't know how many times he's mentioned in the Griffin book, as I didn't dig into it that deep.

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Interesting. And it didn't stop him, as we fear it might. :rolleyes:

But that was a different ERA. Now the databases are computerized and I believe all you need to focus on is not being the first entry or two that pops up when the database is opened. I try to minimize entries, but when I get one, just take a short break while it drops down a bit. Tommy is proof that it isn't the end of the world.

How many times are you in various databases over the years? A guess/estimate is fine.

I don't have direct access to OSN. I know some APs do. from what I understand it used to be easy for non-casino people to get into the database through a backdoor method, but that has been shut off.

I just have a friend that alerts me to anything concerning me and that is all I need. I am also very appreciative of having that.

But I am wondering, what the database looks like these days with all the machine and slot AP that players have gravitated to. Are there more machine/slot APs showing up in the databases? Is it filled with multi-carders? :D

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Good to see you posting here a bit Axel. I miss you. Even though we have done our share of arguing, you are a real player who knows what is real and what isn't and unfortunately we have lost most of us and the trolls have just taken over.

So being the naturalist, live off the land, Grizzly Adams guy that you now are, do you shoot your own bird this year? Of did you just catch, cook and eat fish for thanksgiving dinner? :D

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No, I haven't been fishing for a few days; I have just been busy with too many other projects. However, I did cook the chicken(instead of turkey, we prefer it) over an open fire after brining it. I have never brined before, but it was very juicy and flavorful. I will forever brine my birds from now on.

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NICE!

I am not a big turkey guy myself. Once a year is fine. It is tradition and seems important to my mom. Me personally, being a simple guy, I could enjoy a good Thanksgiving meatloaf (homemade) just as much. And I know my brother would prefer a steak on the grill which he eats way too often. Luckily there are 364 other days in the year. :D

Be well and happy Axelwolf.

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Axel, did Shack move to Bellingham?

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No, I haven't been fishing for a few days; I have just been busy with too many other projects. However, I did cook the chicken(instead of turkey, we prefer it) over an open fire after brining it. I have never brined before, but it was very juicy and flavorful. I will forever brine my birds from now on.

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NICE!

I am not a big turkey guy myself. Once a year is fine. It is tradition and seems important to my mom. Me personally, being a simple guy, I could enjoy a good Thanksgiving meatloaf (homemade) just as much. And I know my brother would prefer a steak on the grill which he eats way too often. Luckily there are 364 other days in the year. :D

Be well and happy Axelwolf.

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Axel, did Shack move to Bellingham?

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I'm not at Liberty to say where Mike is currently living.

As I said before, I grew up in Bellingham, and it's one of my favorite places. My mom lived there for most of her life. It was only in the last 6 months of her life that I brought her to Vegas.

I spend a lot of time looking for River/stream/creek front property there, and it was almost impossible to find what I was looking for.