Is Vegas the Asphalt Jungle?

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03-02-2019, 03:43 PM
pahrump pete

Is Vegas the Asphalt Jungle?

The Asphalt Jungle-one of the greatest heist movies ever made.
Are there gangs in Vegas trying to wrest control of the money (in- play) inside the casinos?
Are they ever successful? Sometimes they are.

The Card-Counting BlackJack Players Gang is always a threat. I admire these guys. They work in secrecy, tracking the count, grab the advantage, get their bets down then off with the cash. There are pitfalls and failures but still, it's a good racket when it works. Too bad BJ is not my game.

Guys such as mickeycrimm seem to work to exploit certain situations in slots. Maybe. Years of being around just might give someone the ability to take instant advantage when things go favorable for the player. Strike quick and move on. Gotta watch a guy with moves like Mickey. We used to call a guy like this a "figuring sam". But his play is not for me.

The Perfect Play Gang? The Bob Dancer crowd? I'm not down with these guys. No hard feelings. I just don't see it or feel it. I gave them some years, never got any traction. JOB vp lacks the extra punch it needs to get you straight. My conclusion, longterm advantage VP play is a myth.

Is Rob Singer the new top outlaw? I think so. People should heed his words. He's got the sensible, common sense voice today in VP. How important discipline is. Lucks part in the game. Use of a lower win goal and how important it is to lock it up when it happens. There's more. The bets need to move. There is no longterm. Every day is an independent battle in the present. Smart. Just my take.
03-02-2019, 03:55 PM
Forrem

From one first time poster to another. Welcome. You are an idiot.
03-02-2019, 08:29 PM
slingshot

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

The Asphalt Jungle-one of the greatest heist movies ever made.
Are there gangs in Vegas trying to wrest control of the money (in- play) inside the casinos?
Are they ever successful? Sometimes they are.

The Card-Counting BlackJack Players Gang is always a threat. I admire these guys. They work in secrecy, tracking the count, grab the advantage, get their bets down then off with the cash. There are pitfalls and failures but still, it's a good racket when it works. Too bad BJ is not my game.

Guys such as mickeycrimm seem to work to exploit certain situations in slots. Maybe. Years of being around just might give someone the ability to take instant advantage when things go favorable for the player. Strike quick and move on. Gotta watch a guy with moves like Mickey. We used to call a guy like this a "figuring sam". But his play is not for me.

The Perfect Play Gang? The Bob Dancer crowd? I'm not down with these guys. No hard feelings. I just don't see it or feel it. I gave them some years, never got any traction. JOB vp lacks the extra punch it needs to get you straight. My conclusion, longterm advantage VP play is a myth.

Is Rob Singer the new top outlaw? I think so. People should heed his words. He's got the sensible, common sense voice today in VP. How important discipline is. Lucks part in the game. Use of a lower win goal and how important it is to lock it up when it happens. There's more. The bets need to move. There is no longterm. Every day is an independent battle in the present. Smart. Just my take.

YouTube is full of these guys.Neilly 777 is the only one that makes sense to me. Why? Well, he divides his bankroll ($100, sometimes $200) and divides it into $20 ($50) increments and quits whenever he either !oses the $20 or wins $5 or more over the $20 investment. Heck-he even carries a bank to stash the profits in- the key being left at home WITH his credit card. He even videos his losing sessions- imagine that!! Of. Course he often plays penny machine but oft succumbs to larger denoms- but still with a win/loss goal. Of course several posters here made fun of and critiqued his play- but I tried it when my wife and I played and we had a full day that she enjoyed.
03-03-2019, 08:05 AM
tableplay

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

Is Rob Singer the new top outlaw? I think so. People should heed his words. He's got the sensible, common sense voice today in VP. How important discipline is. Lucks part in the game. Use of a lower win goal and how important it is to lock it up when it happens. There's more. The bets need to move. There is no longterm. Every day is an independent battle in the present. Smart. Just my take.

Pete (Welcome to the Forum), what's your stance on people who stiff landlords and others who have provided goods and services to them,Welsh on bets, and then brag about it ?
03-03-2019, 08:35 AM
pahrump pete

To Forrem-
My attempt at a lighthearted post was a dud. However, I thought your post was perfect. You win Best First Post between us.
03-07-2019, 05:15 AM
Forrem

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

To Forrem-
My attempt at a lighthearted post was a dud. However, I thought your post was perfect. You win Best First Post between us.

Let's call it a draw. I actually came here to post about something else, saw your post and decided to behave badly and call you an idiot. Wanted to jokingly make it seem like it's not the people, it's this damn site that makes people fight! Anyone who knows about the movie Asphalt Jungle is more than OK in my books...comment about you being an idiot officially retracted.
03-07-2019, 06:02 AM
BoSox

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Originally Posted by Forrem

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

To Forrem-
My attempt at a lighthearted post was a dud. However, I thought your post was perfect. You win Best First Post between us.

Let's call it a draw. I actually came here to post about something else, saw your post and decided to behave badly and call you an idiot. Wanted to jokingly make it seem like it's not the people, it's this damn site that makes people fight! Anyone who knows about the movie Asphalt Jungle is more than OK in my books...comment about you being an idiot officially retracted.

Wow two new classy members, welcome to the board.
03-07-2019, 07:52 AM
mickeycrimm

Winning at advantage video poker through the long term is not a myth. I did it for years. Never had a losing year.
03-07-2019, 08:43 AM
pahrump pete

Forrem-very cool!, hey sling, tableplay and bosox thanks for the welcomes. Mickey, (I have to smile when I say this) I think some could argue you are describing the short term. NO? When did the longterm end?
03-07-2019, 08:46 AM
jbjb

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

Forrem-very cool!, hey sling, tableplay and bosox thanks for the welcomes. Mickey, (I have to smile when I say this) I think some could argue you are describing the short term. NO? When did the longterm end?

Look up the term N0 (N-zero), commonly used for blackjack. It can be applied to any gambling game.
03-07-2019, 04:55 PM
pahrump pete

I didn't know something called N-Zero (No) was even something to be talked about. But I just read all about Variance, Standard Deviation (SD), N-Zero (N0) and Certainty Equivalence (CE). Let me ask. Who the hell would even torture themselves thinking about those concepts? That was awful. I can't wait to get back into a casino, grab a coffee, hit a VP machine and get my head straight again. I'm gonna keep the cards I think will win, look at the women and have fun. I'm gonna get as far away from those ideas as I can. But at least I will not argue with you about it because I'm never going to think about N-Zero ever again.
03-07-2019, 08:17 PM
slingshot

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

I didn't know something called N-Zero (No) was even something to be talked about. But I just read all about Variance, Standard Deviation (SD), N-Zero (N0) and Certainty Equivalence (CE). Let me ask. Who the hell would even torture themselves thinking about those concepts? That was awful. I can't wait to get back into a casino, grab a coffee, hit a VP machine and get my head straight again. I'm gonna keep the cards I think will win, look at the women and have fun. I'm gonna get as far away from those ideas as I can. But at least I will not argue with you about it because I'm never going to think about N-Zero ever again.

Yeah- I can't imagine anything but common sense picks- anything else would tire me out. HOWEVER, I do have fun using my imagination. One guy on this forum noticed an unsuited 10 in a razgu hand- held it and hit the royal. Another time he noticed 2's kept popping up in trips so on another razgu he held alone deuce and the other 3 popped! In other words, I don't just push buttons as fast as I can, but watch for ANY possibility! It ain't math, but it sure is fu !
03-07-2019, 10:28 PM
jbjb

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Originally Posted by slingshot

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

I didn't know something called N-Zero (No) was even something to be talked about. But I just read all about Variance, Standard Deviation (SD), N-Zero (N0) and Certainty Equivalence (CE). Let me ask. Who the hell would even torture themselves thinking about those concepts? That was awful. I can't wait to get back into a casino, grab a coffee, hit a VP machine and get my head straight again. I'm gonna keep the cards I think will win, look at the women and have fun. I'm gonna get as far away from those ideas as I can. But at least I will not argue with you about it because I'm never going to think about N-Zero ever again.

Yeah- I can't imagine anything but common sense picks- anything else would tire me out. HOWEVER, I do have fun using my imagination. One guy on this forum noticed an unsuited 10 in a razgu hand- held it and hit the royal. Another time he noticed 2's kept popping up in trips so on another razgu he held alone deuce and the other 3 popped! In other words, I don't just push buttons as fast as I can, but watch for ANY possibility! It ain't math, but it sure is fu !

And has been told to umpteen times, had he hit the draw button earlier or later, he NEVER WOULD'VE GOTTEN THOSE RESULTS!!!
03-07-2019, 10:29 PM
jbjb

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Originally Posted by slingshot

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

I didn't know something called N-Zero (No) was even something to be talked about. But I just read all about Variance, Standard Deviation (SD), N-Zero (N0) and Certainty Equivalence (CE). Let me ask. Who the hell would even torture themselves thinking about those concepts? That was awful. I can't wait to get back into a casino, grab a coffee, hit a VP machine and get my head straight again. I'm gonna keep the cards I think will win, look at the women and have fun. I'm gonna get as far away from those ideas as I can. But at least I will not argue with you about it because I'm never going to think about N-Zero ever again.

Yeah- I can't imagine anything but common sense picks- anything else would tire me out. HOWEVER, I do have fun using my imagination. One guy on this forum noticed an unsuited 10 in a razgu hand- held it and hit the royal. Another time he noticed 2's kept popping up in trips so on another razgu he held alone deuce and the other 3 popped! In other words, I don't just push buttons as fast as I can, but watch for ANY possibility! It ain't math, but it sure is fu !

You have your fun there while I make bank. :D
03-08-2019, 06:02 AM
slingshot

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Originally Posted by jbjb

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Originally Posted by slingshot

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

I didn't know something called N-Zero (No) was even something to be talked about. But I just read all about Variance, Standard Deviation (SD), N-Zero (N0) and Certainty Equivalence (CE). Let me ask. Who the hell would even torture themselves thinking about those concepts? That was awful. I can't wait to get back into a casino, grab a coffee, hit a VP machine and get my head straight again. I'm gonna keep the cards I think will win, look at the women and have fun. I'm gonna get as far away from those ideas as I can. But at least I will not argue with you about it because I'm never going to think about N-Zero ever again.

Yeah- I can't imagine anything but common sense picks- anything else would tire me out. HOWEVER, I do have fun using my imagination. One guy on this forum noticed an unsuited 10 in a razgu hand- held it and hit the royal. Another time he noticed 2's kept popping up in trips so on another razgu he held alone deuce and the other 3 popped! In other words, I don't just push buttons as fast as I can, but watch for ANY possibility! It ain't math, but it sure is fu !

And has been told to umpteen times, had he hit the draw button earlier or later, he NEVER WOULD'VE GOTTEN THOSE RESULTS!!!

I never know when I'm gonna hit that button- it varies cause I'm studying the hands. Maybe I'm confusing the machine when I hit those quads!!:cool:
03-08-2019, 09:09 AM
pahrump pete

"I never know when I'm gonna hit that button- it varies cause I'm studying the hands. Maybe I'm confusing the machine when I hit those quads!!"

That's funny Slingshot. Maybe a "Confuse The Machine Strategy" has some merit. Not too much worst then some things already out there. BTW everybody seems to have heard or seen folks holding a single high card, looking for a pair and ending up with a huge hand. It happens.
03-09-2019, 07:25 AM
BoSox

pahrump pete wrote:

"Is Rob Singer the new top outlaw? I think so. People should heed his words. He's got the sensible, common sense voice today in VP. How important discipline is. Lucks part in the game. Use of a lower win goal and how important it is to lock it up when it happens. There's more. The bets need to move. There is no longterm. Every day is an independent battle in the present. Smart. Just my take."

You know what they say about first impressions, well I am sorry, but, Forrem had it right the first time.
03-09-2019, 08:23 AM
jbjb

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

BTW everybody seems to have heard or seen folks holding a single high card, looking for a pair and ending up with a huge hand. It happens.

Yep, shit happens to some bastards....
https://i.imgur.com/r9dJvQt.jpg
03-10-2019, 10:02 AM
pahrump pete

Boy, doesn't that pic fit that quote like a glove! Amazing you had it. Thanks for posting it. I know it proves nothing it's just for fun.
03-10-2019, 10:45 AM
jbjb

It's not mine, but saw it recently. Definitely fun to hit nice hands, no matter the game, when starting with garbage.

My first quad on Mississippi Stud started with a hand you're supposed to fold. It was a mid card and a low card unsuited. But since I play with "information", I knew 3rd street was going to pair my mid card and give me at best a push, so I raised. Luckily, the other two of that same card followed. :cool:
03-10-2019, 11:21 AM
slingshot

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Originally Posted by jbjb

It's not mine, but saw it recently. Definitely fun to hit nice hands, no matter the game, when starting with garbage.

My first quad on Mississippi Stud started with a hand you're supposed to fold. It was a mid card and a low card unsuited. But since I play with "information", I knew 3rd street was going to pair my mid card and give me at best a push, so I raised. Luckily, the other two of that same card followed. :cool:

I've had two dealt to me in my lfe. I actually froze in disbelief. Then I noticed I didn't have to save the cards as the machine started payout immediately. That is an inspiring photo- I can only hope...
03-10-2019, 11:36 AM
jbjb

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Originally Posted by slingshot

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Originally Posted by jbjb

It's not mine, but saw it recently. Definitely fun to hit nice hands, no matter the game, when starting with garbage.

My first quad on Mississippi Stud started with a hand you're supposed to fold. It was a mid card and a low card unsuited. But since I play with "information", I knew 3rd street was going to pair my mid card and give me at best a push, so I raised. Luckily, the other two of that same card followed. :cool:

I've had two dealt to me in my lfe. I actually froze in disbelief. Then I noticed I didn't have to save the cards as the machine started payout immediately. That is an inspiring photo- I can only hope...

You mean a dealt royal without drawing, correct? I've had three of them with the first happening on quarter spin poker. So getting your first one and then having nine at the same time is even more ecstatic!!
03-10-2019, 01:55 PM
Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by jbjb

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

BTW everybody seems to have heard or seen folks holding a single high card, looking for a pair and ending up with a huge hand. It happens.

Yep, shit happens to some bastards....
https://i.imgur.com/r9dJvQt.jpg

This screenshot doesn't make sense. A WIN of 2058 quarters on a hand that pays 4000?

The first analogy that came to mind is mickey first claiming he'd have jumped on the Ocean Bubbles game in NJ if asked, and then trying to minimize the damage by saying--after the fact of course--that after having some time to go over all this, he wouldn't have because of some 4th line bubble babble.

Here's the problem Mr. "greatest AP of all time!"....you've stated time and again how short a fuse this thing had. So in reality per the story you're now making up but just won't stick, you'd have wasted no time getting all over this play if asked, but if you had more time to think about it you'd have stayed put.

IE, you'd have lost every dime unless you got lucky.

Splain that.
03-10-2019, 01:56 PM
jbjb

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by jbjb

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

BTW everybody seems to have heard or seen folks holding a single high card, looking for a pair and ending up with a huge hand. It happens.

Yep, shit happens to some bastards....
https://i.imgur.com/r9dJvQt.jpg

This screenshot doesn't make sense. A WIN of 2058 quarters on a hand that pays 4000?

The first analogy that came to mind is mickey first claiming he'd have jumped on the Ocean Bubbles game in NJ if asked, and then trying to minimize the damage by saying--after the fact of course--that after having some time to go over all this, he wouldn't have because of some 4th line bubble babble.

Here's the problem Mr. "greatest AP of all time!"....you've stated time and again how short a fuse this thing had. So in reality per the story you're now making up but just won't stick, you'd have wasted no time getting all over this play if asked, but if you had more time to think about it you'd have stayed put.

IE, you'd have lost every dime unless you got lucky.

Splain that.

Taken while the credits were still racking up.
03-10-2019, 06:45 PM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

The first analogy that came to mind is mickey first claiming he'd have jumped on the Ocean Bubbles game in NJ if asked, and then trying to minimize the damage by saying--after the fact of course--that after having some time to go over all this, he wouldn't have because of some 4th line bubble babble.

Here's the problem Mr. "greatest AP of all time!"....you've stated time and again how short a fuse this thing had. So in reality per the story you're now making up but just won't stick, you'd have wasted no time getting all over this play if asked, but if you had more time to think about it you'd have stayed put.

IE, you'd have lost every dime unless you got lucky.

Splain that.

More ignorant babble from the best of all ignorant babblers. I thought there was more to the play than just 1st and 4th column bubbles. It's turning out to look like there isn't. I have a lot of experience with Ocean Magic. You don't have any. If that's all there is to the play then I'm not in. No one can sucker me into a bad gamble. But others can be. And I think that's what's going on with that play. But you are to stupid and ignorant to know that.
03-10-2019, 07:24 PM
Deech

OK. It is difficult to reach across from the bleachers , but I understand Rob's comments from the screenshot that was given earlier. I was also confused by the screen shot. Why not wait and post a picture at the end of the payout? Then again, this is why individuals should not make assumptions.

As a basketball coach, Rob went for the full court defense and got burned. It happens. Others have done it.

The Ocean Magic play is a real deal. Outside of Albany, NY at one venue, the six machines have yielded well. But I am not like most posters, and only go in that area every two months.
03-11-2019, 10:05 AM
pahrump pete

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Originally Posted by BoSox

pahrump pete wrote:

"Is Rob Singer the new top outlaw? I think so. People should heed his words. He's got the sensible, common sense voice today in VP. How important discipline is. Lucks part in the game. Use of a lower win goal and how important it is to lock it up when it happens. There's more. The bets need to move. There is no longterm. Every day is an independent battle in the present. Smart. Just my take."

You know what they say about first impressions, well I am sorry, but, Forrem had it right the first time.

BoSox, I have no problem standing with Singer on that one.
03-11-2019, 11:02 AM
tableplay

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Originally Posted by pahrump pete

BoSox, I have no problem standing with Singer on that one.

Pete you are and forever shall be in perfect lockstep with Singer - it is physically impossible for this not to be the case.