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Originally Posted by
mickeycrimm
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Originally Posted by
PositiveVariance
I am familiar with Singers BS claim that he played the Double Up bug.
I am curious, what piece of information did Singer have that he was able to convince Mickey that he did play the DU bug?
Outside of what was in the Wired article, and later on other news sources, any additional “steps” he added to the procedure, wouldn’t be able to be verified, correct?
First, PV, you have to take everything KJ says with a grain of salt. He plays very loose with the facts to bolster his argument. KJ keeps stating I'm convinced Rob worked the DUB. I HAVE NEVER SAID I WAS CONVINCED. That was about 2 and a half years ago. Everyone gave their opinion. Of course, KJ and his crew all said no way. Axel used the word possible. I used the word likely. But none of us know for sure since none of us were there. So I'm not convinced and never will be.
I can't remember all the evidence. I can't even remember the name of the thread it was all in. But I do remember a couple of things.
When Rob made the claim he said the published formula for working the DUB by Wired wa wrong. KJ immediately contacted the author of the article looking to pull a gotcha on Singer. But what happened was the author told KJ that he indeed intentionally used a fictional formula in the article.
KJ does a lot of speculation on it but no one has been able to prove Rob got the formula from someone else. For 2 and a half years I've had a $1000 reward out looking for credible information that someone gave Rob the formula. Absolutely no one has come out of the woodwork.
There was also something else I remembered. Something that, apparently, no one else on the forum knew about. This forum wasn't created until 2010. Not long after Kane and Nestor got busted in 2009 Rob announced he was retiring from "professional video poker." That he would no longer be spending much time in casinos. And he shut his website down.
To me that fit the profile of someone looking to lay low. Kane and Nestor were charged with multiple felonies. If I were Rob I would be sweating bullets wondering about surveillance film and so on. And also wondering about the statute of limitations.
And after making so much easy money would Rob go back to a grind play for a lot less money? If it were me I would be through.
Some more information, PV. When I gave my opinion as "likely" two VCT members who I had gotten along with very well up to that point, starting ad hominem attacks on me that have carried on for 2 and a half years. That would be your boys, maxie and KJ.
Fuck 'em both. I'll troll those bitches until hell freezes over.
I think it’s a possibility that Rob contacted the author of the Wired article when he first saw the article and was given the same information that KJ was given. Rob tends to do some research to set up his claims.
Whats to say this formula Rob has is the correct formula? Even if it is correct, it would be possible to get Cane, Nestor, or possibly even the author of the article to give the exact details. So wether he has the exact formula or not is irrelevant.
I think it’s likely Rob may have contacted the author, not so much to get info to troll this forum, but more due to his Interest in video poker. Then hope he could use the formula/steps in a machine they mistakenly didn’t pull or another model that he could tinker with and have the hopes of duplicating it. It’s hard to say. Then once he had that info he posted the formula here.
Side note: It likely wasn’t the authors idea to not post the exact formula. He may have called IGT. Called them for “a comment”, but was actually looking for an “extortion” sum to NOT post the actual formula. I have read somewhere that Cane and Nestor after the Wired interview would not comment. I think it’s very likely IGT tossed them each a small chunk of cash and had them sign a NDA to not talk.
The bottom line, you have to look at Rob’s history of story telling along with the possibility that outside of Cane and Nestor no one else found it? The steps
Are steps that you would not find on accident. Out of the BILLIONS of times that model Game King has been played, it just so happens to be Rob Singer to find it? I think not.
Also, there is no question if there were several people out there playing this, it would have been discovered long before that. People are greedy as hell.
Mikey, if you had told me you played the Double Up Bug, I would 100% believe you. I would have no reason to doubt you. With Rob he has made so many outrageous claims.
Mickey, lets say all of the details Rob gave reguarding the $1.5million win, but instead of Rob, let’s say KJ claimed it. Remember, everything else identical. Why do I get the impression that you would think differently if it were KJ? I have a feeling you would make the arguments that us logical ones are making. Mickey, I know your smart, I just think you have other motivations here.