Caesars Rewards "day of play"

Hi, I'm sure this has been asked multiple times but things change so who knows.

A certain CET property resets their day of play at 6am. Meaning the TCs earned begins anew at that time. (if you're trying to earn bonuses, or when a certain promo or multiplier ends)

But does anyone know how/when it interacts with other activities? Such as spending reward credits, or checking into a property.

Say I want to check in on Friday night, but have no intention of playing until Saturday morning, will that affect my comps negatively? What if I DONT check in, or use my reward credits (NOT food comps) at a restaurant? Does all of those count as a day of play?

Would like a discussion going regarding this and other related information on what we can or should not do if we don't intend to play on a specific day.

What is that term or acronym again? The one the casinos and hosts use to determine your level of play/losses?

Don’t know on your first questions but on your last question its ADT Average Daily Theo (Theoretical loss for the day)

Actually now that I think about, I wouldn’t swear to it being 100% correct, but someone I consider pretty knowledgable once told me that any activity with your card at a CET property counts as a gaming day, so using a room offer, getting a comped or discounted meal with your card.

I’ve even heard that at some properties swiping your card at the parking gate generates a gaming day.

Again not 100% sure, but I think that is how they do it.

Yea any information on this would help. I Would understand if using the room offer or using an actual timed dining credit offer would count as a gaming day.
But it would be pretty unfair if it counted as a gaming day to simply swipe your card to use reward credits that you ALREADY EARNED in the past, or even getting a discount on a meal - As the discount is given by the player status that you ALREADY EARNED in the past.

I mean c'mon if I just wanted to pickup dinner to-go at a caesars property using reward credits. Would be absolutely horrible to count as a gambling day.

Not that i disagree with you, but CET would probably say that the whole reason they give you the discounts and the rewards credits is not because they think you are a swell guy for ALREADY EARNING them, but really for the SOLE purpose of enticing you come back and gamble more Lol.

Btw, you might want to repost your question in the Las Vegas forum so that some people on here that are more knowledgeable than me can see it and hopefully respond.

I don’t think people check this part of the site as much as they do the Vegas part which is likely why Im the only one who replied.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by ccship

Hi, I'm sure this has been asked multiple times but things change so who knows.

A certain CET property resets their day of play at 6am. Meaning the TCs earned begins anew at that time. (if you're trying to earn bonuses, or when a certain promo or multiplier ends)

But does anyone know how/when it interacts with other activities? Such as spending reward credits, or checking into a property.

Say I want to check in on Friday night, but have no intention of playing until Saturday morning, will that affect my comps negatively? What if I DONT check in, or use my reward credits (NOT food comps) at a restaurant? Does all of those count as a day of play?

Would like a discussion going regarding this and other related information on what we can or should not do if we don't intend to play on a specific day.

What is that term or acronym again? The one the casinos and hosts use to determine your level of play/losses?

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ADT -- Average Daily Theoretical is the single most important metric that CET uses to determine what comps you get. Your ADT for the CET area (Vegas is one area) determines both your marketing comps offers you get before you come, and any discretionary comps you can use on checkout.

I will tell you my experience in CET comps. Whether it is objectively correct I cannot confirm but CET is pretty good at hiding its secret calculations so all anyone can do is relate their own experience.

I believe that CET charges you a "day" for every night you stay there. It does not matter whether you do not play the day you arrive or the day you leave -- its your choice but you will have to "pay" for each night by your action. If you stay three nights, CET will calculate your ADT based on your action over 3 gaming days -- whether or not your play one or more of those days. If you play enough one gaming day, it may sufficient to cover the trip.

As for being triggered for a "gaming day" there is an active dispute among players as to what triggers gaming day. Most agree that it is a necessary condition to swipe your players card to trigger a gaming day. But not all swipes trigger such a day. Based on my experience and others, parking does not trigger a gaming day (I still have to have my Sevens Stars card swiped to fetch my car from the Ceasars Flamingo St. porte cochere valet). I believe that swiping your card to get any comp triggers a gaming day -- ie free drinks at Starbucks, checking into a Laurel Lounge and a Diamond show (when there were Laurel Lounges and Diamond shows), as well as using a Diamond celebration dinner. Using your earned reward credits by swiping a card to get food to go absolutely triggers a gaming day.

Years ago, I learned that even sticking my CET card into a kiosk (not a gambling machine) to see how many Reward Credits I had triggered a gaming day! A few such errors crushed my ADT and killed my offers until I figured out their system. Now I use my app to monitor my RCs unless I play that day.

But charging to the room does not trigger a gaming day. For that reason, if I were to check out on Sunday and did not want to give much play that day, I charge breakfast to the room and then just ask the clerk or host on checkout to take care of it with rewards credits and discretionary comps -- which I believe does not trigger a gaming day.

Finally, do NOT have your card swiped when you make sports bets as you check out. That will trigger a gaming day and the only thing you gain will be extremely nominal comps plus the dubious benefit of tracking your bet slip with your players card number in case you lose it. This is not worth triggering a gaming day unless you put in significant action that day.

One may not like the procedures at CET or why they trigger gaming days, but if one keeps it in mind, one can keep your ADT higher and then milk the comps that come in.

FAB

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FAB...agree with everything you stated.

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Originally Posted by ccship

Hi, I'm sure this has been asked multiple times but things change so who knows.

A certain CET property resets their day of play at 6am. Meaning the TCs earned begins anew at that time. (if you're trying to earn bonuses, or when a certain promo or multiplier ends)

But does anyone know how/when it interacts with other activities? Such as spending reward credits, or checking into a property.

Say I want to check in on Friday night, but have no intention of playing until Saturday morning, will that affect my comps negatively? What if I DONT check in, or use my reward credits (NOT food comps) at a restaurant? Does all of those count as a day of play?

Would like a discussion going regarding this and other related information on what we can or should not do if we don't intend to play on a specific day.

What is that term or acronym again? The one the casinos and hosts use to determine your level of play/losses?

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ADT -- Average Daily Theoretical is the single most important metric that CET uses to determine what comps you get. Your ADT for the CET area (Vegas is one area) determines both your marketing comps offers you get before you come, and any discretionary comps you can use on checkout.

I will tell you my experience in CET comps. Whether it is objectively correct I cannot confirm but CET is pretty good at hiding its secret calculations so all anyone can do is relate their own experience.

I believe that CET charges you a "day" for every night you stay there. It does not matter whether you do not play the day you arrive or the day you leave -- its your choice but you will have to "pay" for each night by your action. If you stay three nights, CET will calculate your ADT based on your action over 3 gaming days -- whether or not your play one or more of those days. If you play enough one gaming day, it may sufficient to cover the trip.

As for being triggered for a "gaming day" there is an active dispute among players as to what triggers gaming day. Most agree that it is a necessary condition to swipe your players card to trigger a gaming day. But not all swipes trigger such a day. Based on my experience and others, parking does not trigger a gaming day (I still have to have my Sevens Stars card swiped to fetch my car from the Ceasars Flamingo St. porte cochere valet). I believe that swiping your card to get any comp triggers a gaming day -- ie free drinks at Starbucks, checking into a Laurel Lounge and a Diamond show (when there were Laurel Lounges and Diamond shows), as well as using a Diamond celebration dinner. Using your earned reward credits by swiping a card to get food to go absolutely triggers a gaming day.

Years ago, I learned that even sticking my CET card into a kiosk (not a gambling machine) to see how many Reward Credits I had triggered a gaming day! A few such errors crushed my ADT and killed my offers until I figured out their system. Now I use my app to monitor my RCs unless I play that day.

But charging to the room does not trigger a gaming day. For that reason, if I were to check out on Sunday and did not want to give much play that day, I charge breakfast to the room and then just ask the clerk or host on checkout to take care of it with rewards credits and discretionary comps -- which I believe does not trigger a gaming day.

Finally, do NOT have your card swiped when you make sports bets as you check out. That will trigger a gaming day and the only thing you gain will be extremely nominal comps plus the dubious benefit of tracking your bet slip with your players card number in case you lose it. This is not worth triggering a gaming day unless you put in significant action that day.

One may not like the procedures at CET or why they trigger gaming days, but if one keeps it in mind, one can keep your ADT higher and then milk the comps that come in.

FAB

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So a 3 night check-in action will 'charge' me the arbitrary 3 night amount. Seems to make sense, So if I play "3 days worth" in just 1 day (probably meaning I play for more than 12-14 hours) That should be OK to my host.

I am inclined to believe that just visiting a Diamond Lounge would trigger a 'gaming day' - Even though I think that is bullshit as your status was already earned by you, just like free parking. If I have Diamond plus why can't I just park and visit the lounge. So redeeming Food/Drink Offers trigger a gaming day - This makes sense, as its a BONUS for you to arrive and play. Same for free play. But spending RC's that you already earned, does not - Correct? And you said you triggered a gaming day just for using the kiosk... absolutely ridiculous. (imagine if you picked up a random persons card and insert it into a kiosk)

The reason I am asking is exactly the reason of trying to keep comps high, even at the cost of some inconvenience.

I'm starting to think that the best way to utilize Caesars Rewards is to simply reach diamond+ each year as cheaply as you can and just milk all the default benefits it intrinsically comes with..... Forgetting all the ADT bonuses (which is why a ton of people probably do exactly that)
Just earn the status, use all the coupons, free parking, Laurel lounge, rooms, shows (if you want). And forget about giving them any more meaningful action, Play somewhere else to get Their ADT benefits. And just do it again next year.
Just trigger a gaming day all the time and don't worry about it. Play somewhere else that has something better than their atrocious 7-5 Double Double Bonus on the strip.

It's just so weird how all these casino companies are still working on a daily theo system. What is the purpose of tracking their players every move then? So they can micromanage all of their Soft comps that cost them 15 cents on the retail dollar?
They should take a more long term approach, like Average Monthly Theo. Almost all casinos send offers out on a Monthly basis anyways.

When you visit a resort for 3-5 days. There needs to be time to walk around all day, use the pool all night, or just spend a whole day in the room with your family/friends and relax. And then hit the games hard another day. I bring this up because I should be able to take my non-gambling friends for a trip and not sweat the action. I was previously so concerned about this that I only brought my gambler friends on my trips.

One of my off-strip hosts told me in-person, specifically to NOT INSERT my card anywhere during the check-in day and the check-out day - it makes "both of us" look bad. I was comped more than usual just for complying, which I happily did. Psst, on the check-in day I actually played at another casino company, with my card of course. If that's not eye-opening for how flawed this system is, then I don't know what is.

I'm also not saying my opinions are right or wrong. I just want to hear other peoples take on this, and perhaps more information on how they actually calculate your benefits.

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Originally Posted by ccship

Hi, I'm sure this has been asked multiple times but things change so who knows.

A certain CET property resets their day of play at 6am. Meaning the TCs earned begins anew at that time. (if you're trying to earn bonuses, or when a certain promo or multiplier ends)

But does anyone know how/when it interacts with other activities? Such as spending reward credits, or checking into a property.

Say I want to check in on Friday night, but have no intention of playing until Saturday morning, will that affect my comps negatively? What if I DONT check in, or use my reward credits (NOT food comps) at a restaurant? Does all of those count as a day of play?

Would like a discussion going regarding this and other related information on what we can or should not do if we don't intend to play on a specific day.

What is that term or acronym again? The one the casinos and hosts use to determine your level of play/losses?

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ADT -- Average Daily Theoretical is the single most important metric that CET uses to determine what comps you get. Your ADT for the CET area (Vegas is one area) determines both your marketing comps offers you get before you come, and any discretionary comps you can use on checkout.

I will tell you my experience in CET comps. Whether it is objectively correct I cannot confirm but CET is pretty good at hiding its secret calculations so all anyone can do is relate their own experience.

I believe that CET charges you a "day" for every night you stay there. It does not matter whether you do not play the day you arrive or the day you leave -- its your choice but you will have to "pay" for each night by your action. If you stay three nights, CET will calculate your ADT based on your action over 3 gaming days -- whether or not your play one or more of those days. If you play enough one gaming day, it may sufficient to cover the trip.

As for being triggered for a "gaming day" there is an active dispute among players as to what triggers gaming day. Most agree that it is a necessary condition to swipe your players card to trigger a gaming day. But not all swipes trigger such a day. Based on my experience and others, parking does not trigger a gaming day (I still have to have my Sevens Stars card swiped to fetch my car from the Ceasars Flamingo St. porte cochere valet). I believe that swiping your card to get any comp triggers a gaming day -- ie free drinks at Starbucks, checking into a Laurel Lounge and a Diamond show (when there were Laurel Lounges and Diamond shows), as well as using a Diamond celebration dinner. Using your earned reward credits by swiping a card to get food to go absolutely triggers a gaming day.

Years ago, I learned that even sticking my CET card into a kiosk (not a gambling machine) to see how many Reward Credits I had triggered a gaming day! A few such errors crushed my ADT and killed my offers until I figured out their system. Now I use my app to monitor my RCs unless I play that day.

But charging to the room does not trigger a gaming day. For that reason, if I were to check out on Sunday and did not want to give much play that day, I charge breakfast to the room and then just ask the clerk or host on checkout to take care of it with rewards credits and discretionary comps -- which I believe does not trigger a gaming day.

Finally, do NOT have your card swiped when you make sports bets as you check out. That will trigger a gaming day and the only thing you gain will be extremely nominal comps plus the dubious benefit of tracking your bet slip with your players card number in case you lose it. This is not worth triggering a gaming day unless you put in significant action that day.

One may not like the procedures at CET or why they trigger gaming days, but if one keeps it in mind, one can keep your ADT higher and then milk the comps that come in.

FAB

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If I have Diamond plus why can't I just park and visit the lounge. So redeeming Food/Drink Offers trigger a gaming day - This makes sense, as its a BONUS for you to arrive and play. Same for free play. But spending RC's that you already earned, does not - Correct? And you said you triggered a gaming day just for using the kiosk... absolutely ridiculous. (imagine if you picked up a random persons card and insert it into a kiosk)

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ccship, you certainly raise a bunch of issues.

It is my firm understanding that spending RC's you have already earned does trigger a gambling day. One may not like it, but think of it as one of those local casinos who have giveaways like steak knives or whatever. People come in who have already earned the steak knives and pick them up. They are triggered a gaming day, so similarly using RC's you have already earned also triggers a gaming day. You don't have to like it, you just need to know how CET plays the game.

As for sticking a card in a kiosk, I agree with you that it is stupid, but that was my hard earned session. It if makes you feel any better, presumably putting in a PIN to look at your data may have triggered a gaming day for that kiosk -- I am just not sure if the PIN was required. Also, as to random persons card -- you can have "bad samaritans" put your misplaced card in any slot machine and maybe play one hand to screw your ADT, but who would do that?

ccship, you also state "I'm starting to think that the best way to utilize Caesars Rewards is to simply reach diamond+ each year as cheaply as you can and just milk all the default benefits it intrinsically comes with..... Forgetting all the ADT bonuses (which is why a ton of people probably do exactly that)Just earn the status, use all the coupons, free parking, Laurel lounge, rooms, shows (if you want). And forget about giving them any more meaningful action, Play somewhere else to get Their ADT benefits. And just do it again next year.Just trigger a gaming day all the time and don't worry about it. Play somewhere else that has something better than their atrocious 7-5 Double Double Bonus on the strip."

Well, you can go that route. You will get free parking, free diamond shows, laurel lounge access, and one celebration dinner. But there is no guarantee you will have rooms, other shows, or anything else. If you no play CET, your ADT will collapse and even your free rooms will disappear. Mind you, in Atlantic City, where the CET laurel lounges actually serve decent food along with the liquor, I understand that some local people used to (before COVID) earn minimum status then eat and drink several times a week without playing. If laurel lounges reopened you too could do that, but is that a way you want to spend your time?

ccship, you also state "The reason I am asking is exactly the reason of trying to keep comps high, even at the cost of some inconvenience."

BINGO! That is where I am. I am trying to adjust my play to keep my ADT at CET high and get a stream of comps by adjusting my play to focus on strong play on fewer days. Also it is no big deal to charge to the room instead of using RC's on my card, so some of these adjustments are no burden to me. A high ADT has also opened to door to CET promos where the accumulation of points via mediocre video poker yields more free play than expected loss.

Yea, the main issues I have with the way the system is set up, is not strictly limited to me trying to get more 'stuff' or get inconvenienced less. The issue is, I do believe many of the player inconveniences are actually also costing the casinos More money, instead of saving. No one wins here.

The minor point about how a stranger can insert a random players card and play it once - Well we know its probably never going to happen, (well it could on accident) But really? why should the system be set up that way anyways? What are they ever gaining from that. Even if I really DO go to a Caesars property and play one hand or game - Yet in that same day, I didn't use any food coupons or stay in the hotel. Why is that costing me a lot? Ok then, I just won't step foot in there unless I know for certain I have the rest of the night available.


**TRUE STORY** (roughly, I forgot some exact details)
A year and a half ago, My friend and his wife were going to Vegas, and at least half of those days they are staying with a friend, other half I don't remember, maybe a Caesars hotel. They want to eat at a Caesars restaurant, they prefer their properties over Mlife. They like their casinos/shop/restaurants, they definitely had a platinum or diamond card. They are moderately busy for half their trip, but you know, everybody's gotta eat. So why not there? I don't think they had any food offers. They also would have put some money in a slot machine and try to score a drink or two as well. Maybe they will play a little more. Who knows. They are definitely not spending the whole day there though.

I told him that this is a bad idea, don't go to the restaurant and definitely don't play on the machine with your card. I also told him that if he insists on the restaurant, do not use your players card to skip the line, or get any potential restaurant discounts, and I think he would have had to pay for parking unless he used his card.
Well as you can imagine they didn't end up going. I insisted to them that they are much better off going when they plan to gamble the whole day.

I'm fairly certain they would have had at least 2-3 meals on-property during their trip on days they hadn't planned to gamble.

Their typical caesars offers were usually something like 4 nights free at any caesars property, and I know they stayed at nobu before. Also they normally like $250 in free play, I don't know what they got for food.

This is a situation where if they simply parked on their property, and even paid for their meals there. They could easily be giving up a large portion of what they get comped up front.

Who are these systems and policies benefiting?



What if their plans suddenly change and they could have ended up spending 3-4 hours at the casino instead? What if they just get carried away? (which is great for the casino). Well an informed player knows better than to step foot in the first place. And I guess I answered my own question there - most people are not informed on this flawed system.

Ccship, Based on your advice to that other couple in CET dining, I think you are very knowledgeable compared to the average CET customer. I disagree that parking will trigger a gaming day, but agree that using food comps will.

For whatever reason CET worships on the altar of ADT. But it isn’t alone.

Some casinos do a hybrid. By way of example in downtown Vegas Four Queens and Binions let you used comp dollars you earned without consequences. But marketing free play and rooms are based on your average points per day (not theo). So pick the casino you like given your preference

I'm not sure if parking actually will trigger a day, I hope it doesn't.

But actually I will test this in the next month or two. I will valet park at Harrahs and then go straight to the Mirage. And I will check what my offers look like in January.