The same 5 people do.Quote:
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The same 5 people do.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Get over it SidQuote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYes, imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
You already told everyone, you are dishonest, lie and cheat whenever you can, Pudge. No need to prove it by lying. . Because that is not what happened yesterday. In the real word, which I posted about, I made the bet online from my phone. I am sure I pushed the wrong button on a small screen. Big whoop...I made a mistake and shared that experience honestly. Compare that to a guy who makes his public picks and when it loses, says, "Oh I didn't bet it anyway". THAT is Rob Singer type bullshit!
Listen here you BBC loving fraud! Just because you are now dating a black casino security guard doesn’t mean you can start sticking out that bird chest of yours. He won’t be with you 24/7 . In this game the casino will cheat you every chance they get. It’s cheat or be Chested out here. All these guys are Cheating even the sports bettors. Using a beard is cheating in the eyes of the casino. You’re a fraud that sucks off everything you see to get an edge
5 or 6 including yourself ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbThe same 5 people do.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
This place is like a jail break at the insane asylum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
Hey but it gets "views". I guess that's what counts now.
I count fence posts and telephone poles when I'm driving. When I was a drinker I counted bottles on the back bar. I decipher statistics in early census records. I count letters in sentences that appear on the TV screen. I'm a counting son of a bitch. And it ain't just gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Man, you have really changed mickeycrimm. You used to care about things like math and real gambling experiences and NOT things like how many views a thread gets.
I rarely read that thread as I forget about it, but since you guys brought it up, I went over there and read the last two or three pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy5 or 6 including yourself ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbThe same 5 people do.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
And I pretty much only read Rob's replies.
Good Read but just like over here it is the same story over and over again.
I am no better as my posts are guilty of the same old repetition as well.
However, I have no interest in posting over there or at PFA.
Not that anyone cares, just saying.
I also skimmed the VCT thread a bit.
Nice to see MDawg picking up the slack for Tater.
I haven't looked at the WoV Dying thread for over 6 months to a year.
LOL. But it didn't occur to him to tell Rob that a person can count two tables.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI count fence posts and telephone poles when I'm driving. When I was a drinker I counted bottles on the back bar. I decipher statistics in early census records. I count letters in sentences that appear on the TV screen. I'm a counting son of a bitch. And it ain't just gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Man, you have really changed mickeycrimm. You used to care about things like math and real gambling experiences and NOT things like how many views a thread gets.
Here's another thing to do to sharpen the brain and help pass the time, assuming you know how to type / keyboard (obviously you do by now):Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Think of words that are constructed via alternating left, right strokes of your fingers on the keyboard.
For example, "D-O-G-M-A" is one.
I've not done it for awhile and came up with some surprisingly long words.
Todd still does his Poker Fraud Alert show, right?
Here's an obvious idea. What Singer claims to have done gambling-wise as opposed to what some people think he has actually done gambling-wise falls under the heading of fraud. So why not invite Singer onto Poker Fraud Alert and do a live broadcast where he fields adversarial questions?
There's a treasure trove of topics -- hot and cold cycles, telepathy with machines, double up bug execution (where, when, and so on), jackpot hits presented on forums, the 68% ATS for two years in the NFL playing five games a week -- I mean, you could do a month of shows. You couldn't find someone who is seriously on YouTube with the telepathy with machines stuff. You couldn't discover anyone with such a specific claim as 68% ATS in the NFL for two years allegedly posted on LVA forums.
It would be a debunking cornucopia (keeping with the holiday motif).
Of course, Rob likely wouldn't do it, but maybe he'll have some eggnog and agree to it. As the anti-math-ers like to say, anything is possible.
It just occurred to me, make it like a Jerry Springer holiday special. I'm willing to split the cost of a polygraph expert with Todd, if Rob agrees to it. Yes, I know, polygraphs have all kinds of problems, mainly false positives for deceit, but think how great it would be if Rob passed a polygraph for telepathing with machines!
Of course, gotta check his shoes for thumbtacks and all that, but still, what a show it would be.
If somebody wanted to make a wager with you, ditz, should they post it at WOV or VCT?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Wouldn't it be gutless to post it at WOV and not on VCT?
See, coach, the problem with responding to you is that I post under my real name, and you doing some juvenile version of my last name in posts addressed to me is disrespectful. Considering what I've accomplished in sports betting, and what you've accomplished in the world of gambling as evidenced by your posts and expertise, it would be inappropriate for me to give you the time of day regarding straightforward questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyIf somebody wanted to make a wager with you, ditz, should they post it at WOV or VCT?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Wouldn't it be gutless to post it at WOV and not on VCT?
Now if you want to post your real name so I can come up with some juvenile version of it, I'll answer your question after I've verified who you are.
Basically, I demean myself by bothering to respond to you. You're an anonymous dude trying to prop up nonsense, and I'm a professional handicapper and sports bettor with 40+ years of public exposure and verified competence. I'm sitting here after a decent but not great college football season has drawn to a close, and I give myself a pat on the back because it was not easy, and I'm wondering why I'm typing something out to some dude with axes to grind.
If you want to send me actual letters using your real name, I'll respond, as I do with everyone. You have my address. If you don't, it's
1412 Forrest Dale Lane
Johnson City, TN 37604
Have a good day. Next time you're in the Cherokee neighborhood, let me know and maybe we can have lunch.
You're a ditz...irrespective of your real name.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
You addressed me when you joined this discussion.
Shutting you up is splendid.
Redietz, I am disappointed that you have gone back to your old anonymity argument again. Advantage players making money from casinos at any level, cannot post on these forums using their real names. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. We have 2 choices. either don't participate on public forums (as most choose), or participate anonymously. I can understand why those that aren't AP's might have trouble understanding this (as Alan always did), but frankly I would have thought that what I went through this year after being outed/doxed resulting in loss of income, there wouldn't be people like you questioning "why?".Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzSee, coach, the problem with responding to you is that I post under my real name, and you doing some juvenile version of my last name in posts addressed to me is disrespectful. Considering what I've accomplished in sports betting, and what you've accomplished in the world of gambling as evidenced by your posts and expertise, it would be inappropriate for me to give you the time of day regarding straightforward questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyIf somebody wanted to make a wager with you, ditz, should they post it at WOV or VCT?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Wouldn't it be gutless to post it at WOV and not on VCT?
Now if you want to post your real name so I can come up with some juvenile version of it, I'll answer your question after I've verified who you are.
Basically, I demean myself by bothering to respond to you. You're an anonymous dude trying to prop up nonsense, and I'm a professional handicapper and sports bettor with 40+ years of public exposure and verified competence. I'm sitting here after a decent but not great college football season has drawn to a close, and I give myself a pat on the back because it was not easy, and I'm wondering why I'm typing something out to some dude with axes to grind.
If you want to send me actual letters using your real name, I'll respond, as I do with everyone. You have my address. If you don't, it's
1412 Forrest Dale Lane
Johnson City, TN 37604
Have a good day. Next time you're in the Cherokee neighborhood, let me know and maybe we can have lunch.
The problem is a whole group of people, more and more every day it seems, that are here to do nothing but troll. If coach belly was using his real name and posting exactly what he posts, nothing would be different, so the problem is not posting anonymously....it is the act of having an agenda to be disruptive and add nothing of value. The act of trolling.
Dan Druff has publicly identified both Rob Singer and coach belly as such people. I would think if you have a forum supposed to be about a particular subject matter, such as VCT, and you identify someone as a troll, meaning their sole purpose is to troll be disruptive, you would get rid of them. Druff chooses not to citing freedom of speech.
That being the case, that Druff chooses to welcome such people even after he himself has identified them as being a troll, with an agenda to disrupt, the only thing left, as I said yesterday at GF, is to stop feeding these trolls. They are narcissist who crave attention. Rob Singer even admitted in the past day or two when he said something to the effect that he loves it when people hate him. THAT is what it is all about with the attention craving narcissists. The only way to shut them up is to stop giving them the attention they crave and need. Admittedly, I have fed the trolls as much as anyone. But if we want it to stop, we need to collectively stop feeding the trolls, because they really are completely insignificant to anything. Why empower them.
The member who started this thread has no business calling anybody a troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Good lord, get a clue.
Ditz has an ulterior motive for wanting to know everyone's names.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJRedietz, I am disappointed that you have gone back to your old anonymity argument again. Advantage players making money from casinos at any level, cannot post on these forums using their real names. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. We have 2 choices. either don't participate on public forums (as most choose), or participate anonymously. I can understand why those that aren't AP's might have trouble understanding this (as Alan always did), but frankly I would have thought that what I went through this year after being outed/doxed resulting in loss of income, there wouldn't be people like you questioning "why?".Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzSee, coach, the problem with responding to you is that I post under my real name, and you doing some juvenile version of my last name in posts addressed to me is disrespectful. Considering what I've accomplished in sports betting, and what you've accomplished in the world of gambling as evidenced by your posts and expertise, it would be inappropriate for me to give you the time of day regarding straightforward questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Now if you want to post your real name so I can come up with some juvenile version of it, I'll answer your question after I've verified who you are.
Basically, I demean myself by bothering to respond to you. You're an anonymous dude trying to prop up nonsense, and I'm a professional handicapper and sports bettor with 40+ years of public exposure and verified competence. I'm sitting here after a decent but not great college football season has drawn to a close, and I give myself a pat on the back because it was not easy, and I'm wondering why I'm typing something out to some dude with axes to grind.
If you want to send me actual letters using your real name, I'll respond, as I do with everyone. You have my address. If you don't, it's
1412 Forrest Dale Lane
Johnson City, TN 37604
Have a good day. Next time you're in the Cherokee neighborhood, let me know and maybe we can have lunch.
The problem is a whole group of people, more and more every day it seems, that are here to do nothing but troll. If coach belly was using his real name and posting exactly what he posts, nothing would be different, so the problem is not posting anonymously....it is the act of having an agenda to be disruptive and add nothing of value. The act of trolling.
Dan Druff has publicly identified both Rob Singer and coach belly as such people. I would think if you have a forum supposed to be about a particular subject matter, such as VCT, and you identify someone as a troll, meaning their sole purpose is to troll be disruptive, you would get rid of them. Druff chooses not to citing freedom of speech.
That being the case, that Druff chooses to welcome such people even after he himself has identified them as being a troll, with an agenda to disrupt, the only thing left, as I said yesterday at GF, is to stop feeding these trolls. They are narcissist who crave attention. Rob Singer even admitted in the past day or two when he said something to the effect that he loves it when people hate him. THAT is what it is all about with the attention craving narcissists. The only way to shut them up is to stop giving them the attention they crave and need. Admittedly, I have fed the trolls as much as anyone. But if we want it to stop, we need to collectively stop feeding the trolls, because they really are completely insignificant to anything. Why empower them.
Would you care to repeat that lie that you've never ever tried to debunk anything involving video poker?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
PS: A key part of fraud is financial gain. Can you prove Rob is gaining financially by his claims?
Rob attempted financial gain when he wrote those two stupid books full of gambling nonsense. Like almost everything else, he failed at making a profit, but he tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Also that "financial gain" stipulation for fraud is for it to be a prosecutable crime. No one has or is suggesting that Rob Singer be arrested and prosecuted for fraud. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out on gambling forums for making the ridiculous claims he had made, one after another, most that defy math.
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimmWould you care to repeat that lie that you've never ever tried to debunk anything involving video poker?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
PS: A key part of fraud is financial gain. Can you prove Rob is gaining financially by his claims?
Mickey is using a narrow American legal definition of "fraud." A key part of fraud is gain, period. That gain can be non-material as well as material. Non-material resources tend to be overlooked in the hardcore capitalist countries. For the majority of human existence and across all cultures, non-material resources have been extremely important. Things such as prestige, reputation, placement in hierarchies of expertise that result in access to leadership positions, ability to influence others, all of these result from non-material resources. Rob was using fraud to gain all of these. If I claimed to win 80% of my games ATS, but didn't get any direct financial benefits, I'd be doing the same. Pretty clear cut.
I'm sure if you had examples of me formally debunking video poker, you'd include them here. But you didn't. Regarding video poker, you haven't seen posts from me regarding specifics of anything. That is formal debunking. What I bring up are the contextual questions regarding Rob's video poker claims, questions that any journalist or police investigator would immediately ask. For example, in Rob's initial narrative regarding the double up bug on Alan's site, there were no time/place details. No details of when and where or how often. No specifics. Those are enormous red flags. Is that debunking? No, it's pointing out the obvious problems that anyone who has read a basic police interrogator book or taken Journalism 101 would immediately point out. It was remindful of when Rob claimed he was accosted by someone while having dinner. He didn't report on the person's age or details of the person's appearance, what the person was wearing, and so on. Very strange post from a journalistic perspective, and Rob is a public writer with lots of experience. What I did in these instances was not formal debunking. I was pointing out the obvious.
Formal debunking has to do with the specifics, including the math and history of something, and I know the math and history of sports betting. When I was a member of the SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments), I was considered a lead scout -- read the claims, eyeball the situation, conduct a first interview. I was not the guy doing any formal debunking, which required both an expert in laboratory protocol and the math of the experiments.
Now Dan, as an investigator of poker fraud, is much better positioned to formally debunk Rob. I suggest you and Rob get together and ask Dan to place him on a Poker Fraud Alert show or two to field adversarial questions. That would be true formal debunking. Specific questions, interviews, public consequences if questions go unanswered.
Mickey, you're all about truth. LOL. Why don't you suggest Rob go on Poker Fraud Alert? See, it even has the word "fraud" in the title.
Frankly if I was advising Rob, and I have no idea why I would be, but I would advise against what redietz is suggesting, an interview with someone like Dan. I have seen two Rob Singer interviews, one with the late Alan Mendelson and one with Michael Shackleford.
And let's face it, while Alan was a real and credible journalist and interviewer for part of his career (I understand he interviewed Presidents and Queens), later in Alan's career, or his second career, was a little less honest, in promoting products he had been paid to promote. The interview between Alan and Rob felt much more along those lines with Alan asking softball questions that had likely been discussed between the two prior.
The interview with Shackleford was a very typical, person getting caught in their own lies type thing. Shackleford claims he knew that given enough rope, Rob would hang himself, and Rob did when asked to provide some evidence of his claims. Within a couple days Rob had posted pictures of himself inside an RV at a dealership, claiming he bought that RV with the money won.
An interview with someone like Dan Druff would have the same results. Rob would end up further revealing himself. Of course then he would insist on a completely alternative and detached from reality view of how it went down like he has done with the Dan Druff proposed meetup.
People need to separate out that Rob Singer is a made-up character, no different than a character in a book, movie or TV show. And the purpose of this character was to create attention that Robert Argentino needs and craves.
I seriously suggest we all make a Christmas/New Years vow to stop even talking about this made up character and his claims. It is the best way we can help him with his mental illness. And that is what it is. 20+ years of this crap, caught in his own lies time and time again. Throw in all the nastiness. All for some attention.
Yea, I have to wonder. He sure is stuck on that even though it was debunked. Only reason he could come up with was the assumption we all want to be movie stars.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
He is so full of himself it would make sense. I guess a persons gotta dream. GL redietz.