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07-23-2022, 02:38 PM
accountinquestion

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

I wouldn’t do work for the “dark side” if asked, however I do wonder what percentage of AP’s would?

I think the percentage would be very high. Remember, this practice is normal in every other industry, but for some reason in the AP field it is considered a sin.

For example, I know a casino that receives pre shuffled cards for their baccarat game. They take off the plastic wrapper, remove them from the box, then have a player cut them. Straight into the shoe they go. No shuffle, no riffle, no nothing.

So as far as doing work for the dark side being a sin:
I do wonder how much of it is AP’s dislike for the casino industry, primarily for being predatory? VS. because it screws over AP’s by providing the casinos info.
Because if it is solely the latter, this happens in every industry and it is accepted.

Like I said, I wouldn’t do work for a casino, primarily due to my dislike for casino practices.
Anyway, back to the percentages of AP’s that would do work if asked, I believe it’s well over 50%. If the AP’s are in a bad financial situation, I believe over 80%.

You are right. I'm sure guys who are very top of game have far less chance as would people with skills outside of APing. A lot of APs don't have much else to do. A casino job wouldn't seem half bad.. especially if part time consulting. Don't even have to give up APing.
07-23-2022, 03:01 PM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

If max has made one thin dime gambling it's because of math work done by someone else.

I am pretty sure this isn't true, but what if it was? Isn't APing about making money from casinos?

I have made over 1.6 million as an advantage player and every cent is from doing things using the math from others. Some with my own twists, but the basic math and concepts from others. I don't think my money spends differently or is worth less because of it.

The person that knows gambling math blaze their own trail. Everyone else is just a follower.
07-23-2022, 03:12 PM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

Math proficiency has very little to do with today's top earning players. As a matter of fact if you find yourself needing a math expert the play is not worth your time.

I know a lot of exceptional mathletes that know next to nothing about exploiting advantages that are right in front of their face. Because they are focused on the details all the time.

If thats the only kind of math guys you know then all you know is idiots. All you're doing is making excuses for your lack of knowledge.

I know someone that made a lot of money off my knowledge. I taught him the plays. He wound up like you. Talking that shit about math guys are to dumb to make money.

I quit showing him anything. The old plays left and new plays came out. But he left my area saying there was no money to be made anymore. Little did he know. He couldn't recognize the new big fat plays and didn't have me to show him anymore.

The truth is you have an inferiority complex so have to talk shit about math guys can't do anything. It's total unadulterated BULLSHIT being thrown about by a poser pro.
07-23-2022, 03:15 PM
jbjb

I was good at math up through high school. Not so much now. I still have no clue how free play works! :rolleyes:
07-23-2022, 03:18 PM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

Math proficiency has very little to do with today's top earning players.

So you are in agreement with Seedvalue?

Yes, with regards to his last post if that is what you are asking.

Things that are not published to the masses are my forte. I've worked, and continue to work, a lot of games that no other AP on the planet has worked. If I want to I can post pics or videos of games that you and your cohorts have never seen before. Nor have any of the big names in gambling AP. Not one iota of information ever published on those games. Unless it was by me.
07-23-2022, 04:39 PM
tableplay

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

The person that knows gambling math blaze their own trail. Everyone else is just a follower.

That's exactly the case. You do a great job, and of course look at Grosjean and Benter for further examples.
07-23-2022, 05:20 PM
MaxPen

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

If max has made one thin dime gambling it's because of math work done by someone else.

I am pretty sure this isn't true, but what if it was? Isn't APing about making money from casinos?

I have made over 1.6 million as an advantage player and every cent is from doing things using the math from others. Some with my own twists, but the basic math and concepts from others. I don't think my money spends differently or is worth less because of it.

The person that knows gambling math blaze their own trail. Everyone else is just a follower.

The people that recognize angles make their own rules and play a game you can't even comprehend. Get back to chasing nickels all over the country......lol
07-23-2022, 05:22 PM
MaxPen

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxPen

Math proficiency has very little to do with today's top earning players. As a matter of fact if you find yourself needing a math expert the play is not worth your time.

I know a lot of exceptional mathletes that know next to nothing about exploiting advantages that are right in front of their face. Because they are focused on the details all the time.

If thats the only kind of math guys you know then all you know is idiots. All you're doing is making excuses for your lack of knowledge.

I know someone that made a lot of money off my knowledge. I taught him the plays. He wound up like you. Talking that shit about math guys are to dumb to make money.

I quit showing him anything. The old plays left and new plays came out. But he left my area saying there was no money to be made anymore. Little did he know. He couldn't recognize the new big fat plays and didn't have me to show him anymore.

The truth is you have an inferiority complex so have to talk shit about math guys can't do anything. It's total unadulterated BULLSHIT being thrown about by a poser pro.

I didn't say all math guys. But a lot for sure. No inferiority complex here. I don't need anyone's input. I run my own show. Not many people can say that.
07-23-2022, 05:24 PM
MaxPen

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by coach belly

So you are in agreement with Seedvalue?

Yes, with regards to his last post if that is what you are asking.

Things that are not published to the masses are my forte. I've worked, and continue to work, a lot of games that no other AP on the planet has worked. If I want to I can post pics or videos of games that you and your cohorts have never seen before. Nor have any of the big names in gambling AP. Not one iota of information ever published on those games. Unless it was by me.

From what I have heard you have a rep for disseminating other people's info as your own. Good thing you only deal in 2 bit bullshit.
07-23-2022, 05:45 PM
monet

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

The people that recognize angles make their own rules and play a game you can't even comprehend. Get back to chasing nickels all over the country......lol

Are you averaging more than 4200 dollars per week in profit?
219,000 dollars or more per year with your methods?
Just your gambling or advantage play, as you all would say, not including any other side hustles or work.
And not including anyone you stake, bankroll, partner and or employ... just you out there banging it, making that kind of coin on average year in and year out?
07-23-2022, 05:54 PM
tableplay

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Originally Posted by monet

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

The people that recognize angles make their own rules and play a game you can't even comprehend. Get back to chasing nickels all over the country......lol

Are you averaging more than 4200 dollars per week in profit?
219,000 dollars or more per year with your methods?
Just your gambling or advantage play, as you all would say, not including any other side hustles or work.
And not including anyone you stake, bankroll, partner and or employ... just you out there banging it, making that kind of coin on average year in and year out?

Ok this one's not bad Monet (Eric Hunley's solo channel):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loL5udHX-r8
07-23-2022, 06:02 PM
MaxPen

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Originally Posted by monet

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxPen

The people that recognize angles make their own rules and play a game you can't even comprehend. Get back to chasing nickels all over the country......lol

Are you averaging more than 4200 dollars per week in profit?
219,000 dollars or more per year with your methods?
Just your gambling or advantage play, as you all would say, not including any other side hustles or work.
And not including anyone you stake, bankroll, partner and or employ... just you out there banging it, making that kind of coin on average year in and year out?

I don't publish what I make. I will send you a PM
07-23-2022, 06:17 PM
monet

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

I don't publish what I make. I will send you a PM

Can anyone teach me how to get perfect 90 degree flights for my darts.
I just spent about 200 bucks on different types of supposedly high quality darts and all the flights seem like garbage.
What kind of bullshit game is this?
07-23-2022, 06:27 PM
MisterV

Not sure what the problem is; I get my flights at Darts.com.

Their store is convenient to me but of course they do mail order.

I throw, and never seem to have issues like that; are you a perfectionist?
07-23-2022, 06:44 PM
monet

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Not sure what the problem is; I get my flights at Darts.com.

Their store is convenient to me but of course they do mail order.

I throw, and never seem to have issues like that; are you a perfectionist?

Maybe OCD.
I bought 4 sets of CUESOUL and one set of VIPERs.
The Vipers Spin which is kind of nice.
Actually, I like the weight and grip of the Vipers so far when compared.
But all the Flights are kind of off.
They either have a wave to them or little bends.
All 3 darts should be pretty darn close to identical.
I just probably bought inferior junk.
I'm researching it a bit.
Turns out that Punch Flights are a thing and might be what I want/need.
This Rabbit Hole is deeper than I thought.
Endless choices and tweaks.
I'm just learning so very green.
It's a ton of information to digest.
Gonna take a year or two I gather for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFbditUCuA
07-23-2022, 06:50 PM
MaxPen

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Originally Posted by monet

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Not sure what the problem is; I get my flights at Darts.com.

Their store is convenient to me but of course they do mail order.

I throw, and never seem to have issues like that; are you a perfectionist?

Maybe OCD.
I bought 4 sets of CUESOUL and one set of VIPERs.
The Vipers Spin which is kind of nice.
Actually, I like the weight and grip of the Vipers so far when compared.
But all the Flights are kind of off.
They either have a wave to them or little bends.
All 3 darts should be pretty darn close to identical.
I just probably bought inferior junk.
I'm researching it a bit.
Turns out that Punch Flights are a thing and might be what I want/need.
This Rabbit Hole is deeper than I thought.
Endless choices and tweaks.
I'm just learning so very green.
It's a ton of information to digest.
Gonna take a year or two I gather for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFbditUCuA

Just put the dart set next to the wall tent in the garage and be done with it. :D
07-23-2022, 06:51 PM
monet

I may want to check out some Molded Dart Flights.
That might help my OCD.

Here is a link about everything you need to know about Dart Flights if anyone has interest.

https://www.a-zdarts.com/blog/dart-flights/
07-23-2022, 06:54 PM
monet

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

Just put the dart set next to the wall tent in the garage and be done with it. :D

lol... The Tent and Equipment are in the back of the downstairs closet.
I just finally put the whole Dart Set and Board up on the wall.
Getting some use out of it the last few days.
But you are not too far off.
Just another thing that will get no use and I'll end up leaving it outside on the street for someone to take away for free.
You know me well.
07-23-2022, 07:45 PM
accountinquestion

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

Quote:

Originally Posted by monet

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterV

Not sure what the problem is; I get my flights at Darts.com.

Their store is convenient to me but of course they do mail order.

I throw, and never seem to have issues like that; are you a perfectionist?

Maybe OCD.
I bought 4 sets of CUESOUL and one set of VIPERs.
The Vipers Spin which is kind of nice.
Actually, I like the weight and grip of the Vipers so far when compared.
But all the Flights are kind of off.
They either have a wave to them or little bends.
All 3 darts should be pretty darn close to identical.
I just probably bought inferior junk.
I'm researching it a bit.
Turns out that Punch Flights are a thing and might be what I want/need.
This Rabbit Hole is deeper than I thought.
Endless choices and tweaks.
I'm just learning so very green.
It's a ton of information to digest.
Gonna take a year or two I gather for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFbditUCuA

Just put the dart set next to the wall tent in the garage and be done with it. :D

I once knew a guy who killed rattlesnakes with darts. It was a large portion of his diet.
07-24-2022, 02:29 AM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

Yes, with regards to his last post if that is what you are asking.

Things that are not published to the masses are my forte. I've worked, and continue to work, a lot of games that no other AP on the planet has worked. If I want to I can post pics or videos of games that you and your cohorts have never seen before. Nor have any of the big names in gambling AP. Not one iota of information ever published on those games. Unless it was by me.

From what I have heard you have a rep for disseminating other people's info as your own. Good thing you only deal in 2 bit bullshit.

So you hang this up here without giving an example. How convenient for you. Just make an allegation without putting up any evidence.

Give us an example of something I took from someone else, then disseminated the information claiming it as my own. You've been hanging on every word I write for years. You should be able to come up with something....shouldn't you?

No, the fuck you can't. You're just a follower, poser pro. You belittle the real pros to assuage your feelings of inferiority.

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