VP Session on poor paytable

I’m primarily a $5 slot player, however I do play all games when in Vegas.

Lately I have been finding VP a little boring and have been playing less. When Playing I find myself wanting to play Ultimate X DDB 5 play at $1 and don’t have the patience or bankroll to work through the variance.

On Sunday night at Planet Hollywood I dropped $300 into a $1 8/5 DDB 3-play machine at the Heart Bar.

Please do not trash on me for playing a “poor pay table”. I was with friends and it was a way to kill time for me as I was not drinking. All my larger VP wins have been on short sessions with poor pay tables.

My question for the board is when would you have ended the session?

Here is what happened in order. I cashed out at $1700. This session only lasted less then 30 minutes.

>Here is what happened in order. I cashed out at $1700. This session only lasted less then 30 minutes<

Cashed out @ $1700? What happened to the $4k from the royal?

Session lasted less than 30 minutes? Does that count the time waiting for the handpay?

Aaron, very nice hits, congrats. I was thinking the same thing as coach belly and I dont mean to criticize but it seems you went from $5695 down to $1740 fairly quickly. Another observation, that middle payline was red hot. Congrats again.

The 30 minutes included the hand pay. All the attendants know me at PHo and they are very quick, probably less then 5 minutes. The $4025 went straight into the pocket. The meter was 1670 after the hand pay.

Other then the Royal the highest the meter was was $2125 and I played it down to $1700.

The profit on the session was $5425, less tips.

FYI

The next night I played the same machine for about 300 hands.

I only had a little time to play as I was waiting for my host to return from lunch to go over my play.

Started with $300 in Freeplay and cashed out at $1000. I hit 3 – 4OAKs.

Aaron,

Congratulations on all your wins. You said you were playing Ultimate X. Were you getting many X hits? I tend to stay away from the X or Super Times Play machines as they usually drain me before I hit anything.

Nash,

This was just DDB 3-Play at the Bar.

Haven't played Ultimate X the last 3 trips. I have had a few good hits in the past can't outlast the variance on a smaller bank roll.

Best I have done is 4x Quad 3's w/kicker at $2 level on triple play for $6400.


I still need to meet up with you guys at Rincon one of these days. I will be going on Sundays this month for the bonus GGWU points.

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Just looked at the pics from Quad 3's session and also hit 2x Quad A's for $3200 and 2x Quad 5's for $1000.

Aaron you did what I. Would have done. Congratulations.

Coach belly thanks for joining us.

Well, thanks for welcoming me, Alan.

Aaron's stunning session finally inspired me to actually post after months of reading.

It's interesting how the tone has changed around here lately, yet you remain the voice of reason,
no matter who is picking on you.

Aaron that's a nice run. I would have set a win goal prior to walking in, and quit whenever it was attained. If that would have meant no royal then it means no royal. A win is a win. PAY TABLES DO NOT MATTER IN ANY GIVEN SESSION, so you didn't even need to mention it. They only matter to those who don't or rarely play and who have allowed themselves to be controlled by theory.

Aaron, good job. I won't trash on you for the paytable. No problem if you want to play a bad game once in awhile because you're with friends and that's the only option available. I've done it before myself.

The people I criticize are the ones who believe that pay tables don't matter, or that you can somehow use money management tricks to beat bad paytable machines in the long run.

Anyway, funny story about the Ultimate X machine from early 2013.

I was playing the heads up limit holdem bot in Caesars (it's no longer there, btw), and some drunk guy came up to me. He was muttering something about, "My wife left a lot of credits in that machine, you should play it", which I didn't understand. If his wife left credits in the machine, why not play the credits himself? I thought he was either crazy, really drunk, or trying to scam me in some way. I kept telling him I wasn't interested.

He wouldn't take no for an answer. I finally got out of him that the machine didn't have credits, but that his wife left the machine in some state where it's ready to payout big. I didn't know what Ultimate X was at the time, but that's what he was referring to. I told him that I would take a look, but I'm not going to give him a piece of what I won. He said he wasn't looking for money. I went to the machine, and it was Ultimate X. I didn't understand how it worked, but he acted like he did. I put about $50 in the machine and lost it quickly. I couldn't understand what he was trying to tell me about any edge, and in fact that "X" multiplier didn't seem anything out of the ordinary. I gave up and walked away.

Well it turned out that his wife really did walk away from a 12x on the machine, but it was at a different game (on the same machine) than he selected for me, so I never got to play it. He was too drunk to realize what he was doing, but his advice was actually good.

I went back to my room and texted my friend the story. He decided to go down and take a look for himself, and found the 12x on one of the games, presumably what this drunk was talking about. He then lucked into a full house and cashed out like $800.

Some casinos here in Chicago keep that 12x (or whatever the multiplier was) for extended periods of time. However, at Caesars Indiana, any cash out or insertion of a new player card, or just a few minutes time will wipe them out.

There used to be some VP games as well as some slot games that we used to "poach" when an accumulation of certain things resulted in bonuses of some kind. Most of those were ultimately removed but you can still look for that on Ultimate X. Whenever I sit down at an X machine, I check all the various games (DDB--JOB--Aces--etc. to see if there are any multiplier hangers. Once I have used them, I switch to my desired game, usually DDB.

Aaron that's what I'm talking about....when someone like Dan, who rarely plays, comes on and makes silly, unsubstantiated claims about how, why and what other people do. Their lives are controlled by book theory because they don't live the reality of actually playing. And when you obliterate their beliefs with reality, they come across as confounded as a pile of sour grapes.

It's safer living in a theoretical world. Just ask Dan whenever he comes up with enough money to finally play job vp again.

With all the Ultimate X talk...

Hit this today with my $720 Freeplay at Rincon:

I have never played that game, and thanks for posting the nice win. But.....are you sure that wasn't Dan's win as he sat next to you, and you decided to snap a quik picture of it in order to claim it was yours? :)

Sweet Aaron!