Just curious, are there any professional roulette players on this forum?
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Just curious, are there any professional roulette players on this forum?
Since there aren't any in the universe, I'll leave it to you to derive the number on this forum. I don't have high hopes for your success though
Question: What's the difference between professional roulette players and sasquatch?
Answer: At least there has been a sighting of a sasquatch.
But if you want to interact with the roulette morons go to Gambling Forums. Tell Spike I sent you.
Many, many, many ways to crush Roulette.
I do have to admit that many ways are through cheating and or using devices.
Warped Wheels are nonexistent.
Dealers who can put the ball in the half or quadrant every time do exist but not sure how you would go about meeting them since you probably live an upstanding lifestyle like 95% of the members on this forum.
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Ok, I get it. You're obviously not a casino risk consultant, in casino management, or any kind of an AP unless you're a silver miner or vulture.
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Ok, I get it. LOL! You're obviously not a casino risk consultant, in casino management, or any kind of an AP. Are you by chance one of the anti math card counting conspiracy theorists from the old John Patrick forum?
There are actually, or have been APs in virtually every casino game. At one time, there were even APs working the old old Big Six Wheels that were off balance. There have been APs even in bingo. Other games include, bac, BJ, Pai Gow, Poker, slots, casino war, rebate exploiters, card roulette, roulette, and even craps.
The AP world is not for the lazy mind, but favors the nerd.
-Snowman
Nice strawman you cunt.
There are no professional roulette players cunt, because there aren't enough profitable opportunities to make a living solely off playing roulette. Obviously any game is potentially exploitable under the right condition. But you didn't ask that you cunt.
The answer to your initial retarded question is no. Cunt.
It appears that there could be a shortage of intelligent posters as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdaewoo
Whatever happened to that roulette computer god, Mark Howe?
He liked to talk a good game.
Congrats on finding a roulette promo or glitch earning you $8.37/hr over the last week or month or whatever. Doesn't make you a professional roulette player you ignorant cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman
The words “Roulette AP” make me nauseous just thinking about it. Roulette is an easy game to protect from a game protection stand point. So if a casino has vulnerabilities at their Roulette tables, they deserve to lose money.
The main issue with Roulette is the variance. There are just much easier ways to make money without massive variance.
I'm not sure. I remember him well as being a wildly manic poster in an endless argument with Forester. I never knew if he got his act together enough to really make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Thanks for the tips, Snowcunt, but as a 30 year professional gambler I think I might be able to get by without your advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowmanQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Ok, I get it. LOL! You're obviously not a casino risk consultant, in casino management, or any kind of an AP. Are you by chance one of the anti math card counting conspiracy theorists from the old John Patrick forum?
There are actually, or have been APs in virtually every casino game. At one time, there were even APs working the old old Big Six Wheels that were off balance. There have been APs even in bingo. Other games include, bac, BJ, Pai Gow, Poker, slots, casino war, rebate exploiters, card roulette, roulette, and even craps.
The AP world is not for the lazy mind, but favors the nerd.
-Snowman
Yeah, sure, give me 6% or better cashback on my wager....or how about paying off 40 for 1 when my number comes in....or laying me 10 to 9 on red or black....or tilting the wheel so that the ball always lands on one side....And I'll definitely show you how to beat roulette.
Playing roulette without an edge is for losers.
Sorry, but I don't really see anything that would indicate to me that you're an experienced AP, and I can usually spot a fraud a mile away. So what game are you pretending to beat? (Psst..30 years of smoking and an std doesn't mean that you're an AP)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmThanks for the tips, Snowcunt, but as a 30 year professional gambler I think I might be able to get by without your advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowmanQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Ok, I get it. LOL! You're obviously not a casino risk consultant, in casino management, or any kind of an AP. Are you by chance one of the anti math card counting conspiracy theorists from the old John Patrick forum?
There are actually, or have been APs in virtually every casino game. At one time, there were even APs working the old old Big Six Wheels that were off balance. There have been APs even in bingo. Other games include, bac, BJ, Pai Gow, Poker, slots, casino war, rebate exploiters, card roulette, roulette, and even craps.
The AP world is not for the lazy mind, but favors the nerd.
-Snowman
Yeah, sure, give me 6% or better cashback on my wager....or how about paying off 40 for 1 when my number comes in....or laying me 10 to 9 on red or black....or tilting the wheel so that the ball always lands on one side....And I'll definitely show you how to beat roulette.
Playing roulette without an edge is for losers.
Lets play a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowmanSorry, but I don't really see anything that would indicate to me that you're an experienced AP, and I can usually spot a fraud a mile away. So what game are you pretending to beat? (Psst..30 years of smoking and an std doesn't mean that you're an AP)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmThanks for the tips, Snowcunt, but as a 30 year professional gambler I think I might be able to get by without your advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman
Yeah, sure, give me 6% or better cashback on my wager....or how about paying off 40 for 1 when my number comes in....or laying me 10 to 9 on red or black....or tilting the wheel so that the ball always lands on one side....And I'll definitely show you how to beat roulette.
Playing roulette without an edge is for losers.
Imbecile or troll?
Both.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by jdaewooBoth.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I've worked hundreds of different plays. Slot AP, video poker AP, video keno AP, video blackjack AP.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowmanSorry, but I don't really see anything that would indicate to me that you're an experienced AP, and I can usually spot a fraud a mile away. So what game are you pretending to beat? (Psst..30 years of smoking and an std doesn't mean that you're an AP)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmThanks for the tips, Snowcunt, but as a 30 year professional gambler I think I might be able to get by without your advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman
Yeah, sure, give me 6% or better cashback on my wager....or how about paying off 40 for 1 when my number comes in....or laying me 10 to 9 on red or black....or tilting the wheel so that the ball always lands on one side....And I'll definitely show you how to beat roulette.
Playing roulette without an edge is for losers.
You're an idiot, kid. Go hug your daddy's neck. He's an idiot too.
The people that don't believe in roulette AP are the same ones that don't believe table games like TCP and UTH are beatable.
I don't think so. Roulette is a 5.26% house edge. Something has to change the house advantage into a house negative to beat roulette. No one is going to beat roulette in the long run while playing at a 5.26% deficit. There has to be an angle.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
So if you are playing roulette with an advantage, I don't expect you to tell us how you do it, but tell us what the angle adds percentagewise.
Sorry, but you just don't seem like a real AP to me. Your vocabulary, and behavior indicates that you're possibly a silver miner, vulture, or a burned out chain smoking video poker player.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI've worked hundreds of different plays. Slot AP, video poker AP, video keno AP, video blackjack AP.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowmanSorry, but I don't really see anything that would indicate to me that you're an experienced AP, and I can usually spot a fraud a mile away. So what game are you pretending to beat? (Psst..30 years of smoking and an std doesn't mean that you're an AP)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You're an idiot, kid. Go hug your daddy's neck. He's an idiot too.
Best of luck.
Is this cunt still here?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowmanSorry, but you just don't seem like a real AP to me. Your vocabulary, and behavior indicates that you're possibly a silver miner, vulture, or a burned out chain smoking video poker player.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI've worked hundreds of different plays. Slot AP, video poker AP, video keno AP, video blackjack AP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman
You're an idiot, kid. Go hug your daddy's neck. He's an idiot too.
Best of luck.
Blowmen,Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowmanSorry, but you just don't seem like a real AP to me. Your vocabulary, and behavior indicates that you're possibly a silver miner, vulture, or a burned out chain smoking video poker player.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI've worked hundreds of different plays. Slot AP, video poker AP, video keno AP, video blackjack AP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman
You're an idiot, kid. Go hug your daddy's neck. He's an idiot too.
Best of luck.
If u knew anything about AP you would know that he is considered one of the best & knowledgeable Machine APs out there. No ones ever heard of u and from the way u communicate most likely never will.
So fuck off & eat a dick.
Grosjean doesn't consider slot hustlers as AP's either.
WHO THE FUCK IS TALKING ABOUT APing ROULETTE? THE CUNT STARTED THIS CUNTING THREAD ASKING IF ANY CUNTS PLAY ROULETTE PROFESSIONALLY. THE CUNTING ANSWER IS NO. OBVIOSLY ROULETTE CAN BE AP'd GIVEN THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES. THAT'S NOT IN DEBATE. NETIHER IS THE FACT THAT SNOWMAN IS A CUNT. JESUS WEEPING RAPTOR CHRISTQuote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
You have an anger problem. Go seek help.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdaewooWHO THE FUCK IS TALKING ABOUT APing ROULETTE? THE CUNT STARTED THIS CUNTING THREAD ASKING IF ANY CUNTS PLAY ROULETTE PROFESSIONALLY. THE CUNTING ANSWER IS NO. OBVIOSLY ROULETTE CAN BE AP'd GIVEN THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES. THAT'S NOT IN DEBATE. NETIHER IS THE FACT THAT SNOWMAN IS A CUNT. JESUS WEEPING RAPTOR CHRISTQuote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Yes, there are roulette APs. They are discussed sometimes in risk conference, and Munchkin has even had some on his pod cast in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
The main types are ballistic players, bias players and hybrid players that exploit both.
Have roulette computers evolved over time or are they no longer considered viable?
Sure, it's a crime to use one, but ...
You're close he's a Buffalo Hunter :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowmanSorry, but you just don't seem like a real AP to me. Your vocabulary, and behavior indicates that you're possibly a silver miner, vulture, or a burned out chain smoking video poker player.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI've worked hundreds of different plays. Slot AP, video poker AP, video keno AP, video blackjack AP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman
You're an idiot, kid. Go hug your daddy's neck. He's an idiot too.
Best of luck.
Grosjean should put his opinion on Wikipedia where slots AP fits the definition of advantage play.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
What is ironic is hole carders thinking they are some kind of super intelligent AP's. There is nothing hard about playing blackjack when you know the dealers hole card. Especially when every hole carder out there is using game strategy they learned from grosjean. It's the same as a video poker pro using a strategy card created by Bob Dancer.
It's laughable that hole carders think they are more advanced than other kinds of AP's. I chalk it up to ego.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...CI2NOQGLvW5zFw
Exactly what I said, Snowcunt. Some kind of angle. Did they quantify the edge gained?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowmanYes, there are roulette APs. They are discussed sometimes in risk conference, and Munchkin has even had some on his pod cast in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
The main types are ballistic players, bias players and hybrid players that exploit both.
I suggest he not tell anyone what edge they get from those methods. Let them keep thinking it's worthless.
I guess I will chime into this Cunty (or is it with an ie?) thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowmanYes, there are roulette APs. They are discussed sometimes in risk conference, and Munchkin has even had some on his pod cast in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
The main types are ballistic players, bias players and hybrid players that exploit both.
Back in the 90's early 2000s, I was acquainted with a well-banked legitimate AP team(They played everything and anything ) They were definitely targeting biased wheels. From my understanding, they had someone talented who did nothing but look for biased wheels. They were few and far between, but when found highly profitable with the whole Asian high roller dog and pony show.
When the E-wheels came out, I got interested in clocking since it was super obvious the ball was dropping off at the same spots on the apron constantly, you could see the wear patterns and there seemed to be 4 different ball speeds. Some of the machines allowed for a significant betting window after the ball was released. We were just not dedicated and knowledgeable enough to exploit the situation, our wheel clocking was a failed experiment. Not enough time dedicated or good enough coordination. I thought we should just spend time with a hidden camera filming many hours for more accurate data, but no one liked that Idea.
While half-heartedly searching for someone who was talented and knew what they were enough, they had changed things up and closed the betting windows among others things. Not entirely, and there may still be some out there. Sometime after I heard that some talented wheel clockers attempts were fruitless. They were/are convinced the machines are manipulating outcomes somehow. I am highly skeptical of that.
At some point, after I moved on, I came across the guy you are talking about: Laurence Scott, his early 90's book called, Professional Roulette Prediction, which was re-released in the early 2000s. He had/has an account on Gambling forums and WOV, I can't remember his 2 different handles.
The guy seems well-spoken, intelligent, and knowledgeable. After listening to him, most would be convinced it's real. However, he claims that like 20% of roulette wheels are beatable because of tilting. Unlike a biased wheel, a tilted wheel won't change HA( all the numbers are going to come up as they should in the long run) unless there's someone skilled in exploiting that aspect. I'm super skeptical regarding that 20% claim. That just doesn't make any sense for many reasons, if true I haven't a fucking clue why anyone would be writing a fucking book about it, especially when you're one of the few able to accomplish this feat.
I believe there are exploitable wheels out there, I believe people have and do exploit the situations, however, I think it's few and far between. If it's being done, it's a significant undertaking with well-coordinated tight-lipped/knit talented groups who keep their mouths shut.
Snowman, what is it exactly you are looking for here, or whatever?
Axel,
The same as you. Entertainment, networking with like minded people, and information mining.
I am both a vb and a bias wheel player (defect spotter) Live and electronic. I've been at since the late 80s early 90s.
Same Snowman from GG?
Yes
Well, if that's the case, It seems as if you would know better than messaging around here looking for such things. You should know the general consensus regarding roulette and know exactly where to look for such people. Heck, I rarely play roulette and I know where to look and where not to look. It's not that hard to figure out who does, and who doesn't have some knowledge about actual roulette AP. IE EvenBob= full of shit. Laurence Scott= if it's doable, he might actually know a thing or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman
Don't forget Soxfan here. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfWell, if that's the case, It seems as if you would know better than messaging around here looking for such things. You should know the general consensus regarding roulette and know exactly where to look for such people. Heck, I rarely play roulette and I know where to look and where not to look. It's not that hard to figure out who does, and who doesn't have some knowledge about actual roulette AP. IE EvenBob= full of shit. Laurence Scott= if it's doable, he might actually know a thing or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman
You tell em jb, if someone can get through to him it's you !Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbYou have an anger problem. Go seek help.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdaewooWHO THE FUCK IS TALKING ABOUT APing ROULETTE? THE CUNT STARTED THIS CUNTING THREAD ASKING IF ANY CUNTS PLAY ROULETTE PROFESSIONALLY. THE CUNTING ANSWER IS NO. OBVIOSLY ROULETTE CAN BE AP'd GIVEN THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES. THAT'S NOT IN DEBATE. NETIHER IS THE FACT THAT SNOWMAN IS A CUNT. JESUS WEEPING RAPTOR CHRISTQuote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Hmmm, query, I wonder how many of the resident genius, ap-wise-guy and mathite woulda been shrewd enough to come up with the 21 cards-counting angle, say back in 1959, before the Thorpe wrote the book, divulge the bean and let the feline outta the sack, hey hey????
Thorp didn't discover card counting. He only released the secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
Jbjb,
I wonder how many card counters are taking advantage of the symmetry/asymmetry still found on the edge of some playing cards. This could enable a few side counts based on the symmetry of that printed edge. Of course, they would need to set very close to the shoe and have some great eyes.
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Originally Posted by Snowman
I beat roulette straight up without a rebate. I would sit in a chair with my knees under the table next to a beautiful young black lady. I would have her jack me to full alert underneath the table and my throbbing rock Hard cock would hit the bottom of the table causing a slight lean to the wheel. I then would proceed to bet the biased quadrants. I estimate my Edge to be about 7 percent
Hey Hey!Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbDon't forget Soxfan here. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfWell, if that's the case, It seems as if you would know better than messaging around here looking for such things. You should know the general consensus regarding roulette and know exactly where to look for such people. Heck, I rarely play roulette and I know where to look and where not to look. It's not that hard to figure out who does, and who doesn't have some knowledge about actual roulette AP. IE EvenBob= full of shit. Laurence Scott= if it's doable, he might actually know a thing or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman
Now that's Advantage Play!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
Fuck all these other posers!
Can you not find any beautiful young white women to do this??
After crushing roulette you can impregnate her and continue on with your more important mission in life!!
4:03 - Definition of the expertise
5:00 - Repeated attempts with feedback
6:46 - Valid environment
11:21 - Timely feedback
13:50 - Don't get too comfortable
You think you are a professional roulette player?
Think Again... 6:40 In the video.
Bet on Red or Black?
Red Pill or Blue Pill??
Fuck That!
Give me Red Button Green Button!
Personally, I am in big trouble as I am not adhering to number 4 as I am too comfortable.
What have we learned here?
If you want to be a professional roulette player you need a coach.
Or just cheat and don't get caught.
Of course cheaters never win... right?
Why?
Because when you cheat, you only cheat yourself.
AmIrite or AmIrite... right, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eW6Eagr9XA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCeTsaJOXDw
My guess is there were people that could beat the game back then. And Thorp messed up their gravy train. It was all single deck dealing to the last card. The odds shifting when the ratio of big cards to small cards is above normal is not that hard of a concept to grasp. There had to have been people that knew that and exploited it.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
And you could Wong all you wanted to in those days.
I can't remember where I read this but you are correct that people were doing it before Thorp.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmMy guess is there were people that could beat the game back then. And Thorp messed up their gravy train. It was all single deck dealing to the last card. The odds shifting when the ratio of big cards to small cards is above normal is not that hard of a concept to grasp. There had to have been people that knew that and exploited it.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
And you could Wong all you wanted to in those days.
I wonder if the casinos had some suspicion that BJ was beatable in this way because there are also a lot of stories of dealers that would be called in by the house to cheat against winning players.
Of course that could just because the casinos were greedy and knew they could get away with it, but maybe they saw it as a crude countermeasure against players that seemed to have winning system?
Yes, I think we read something a while back about a colleague of Thorp that explained how rampant cheating by the house was back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburgerI can't remember where I read this but you are correct that people were doing it before Thorp.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmMy guess is there were people that could beat the game back then. And Thorp messed up their gravy train. It was all single deck dealing to the last card. The odds shifting when the ratio of big cards to small cards is above normal is not that hard of a concept to grasp. There had to have been people that knew that and exploited it.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
And you could Wong all you wanted to in those days.
I wonder if the casinos had some suspicion that BJ was beatable in this way because there are also a lot of stories of dealers that would be called in by the house to cheat against winning players.
Of course that could just because the casinos were greedy and knew they could get away with it, but maybe they saw it as a crude countermeasure against players that seemed to have winning system?
There are probably some blackjack APs from the 50s and 60s that are getting dredged up out of Lake Mead now that it is so low.
The tale around Lake Tahoe was the original owner of Harvey's, Harvey Gross, would have his goons take a persistent card counter out to the middle of the lake and throw him in. No way you could make it to shore.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
If Lake Tahoe ever got low enough I bet we'd find out it wasn't just a tale Mickey. Interesting story, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmThe tale around Lake Tahoe was the original owner of Harvey's, Harvey Gross, would have his goons take a persistent card counter out to the middle of the lake and throw him in. No way you could make it to shore.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay