Check out the Beat the Host eight-week final standings. LOL. Our favorite handicapper came through in the clutch.
Hard to believe.
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Check out the Beat the Host eight-week final standings. LOL. Our favorite handicapper came through in the clutch.
Hard to believe.
Normally, they use Santa Anita and Gulfstream. But with Santa Anita canceled, they used Oaklawn for three races. Won all three races.
Hmm this contest looks fun and cool.
Too bad it is play money.
Makes sense Reds' touting play money contests. J/kQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
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Originally Posted by AxelWolfMakes sense Reds' touting play money contests. J/kQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Not sure what you mean by play money. You're betting real money and winning entrance fees to large contests where you bet real money. But I'm sure "APs" can explain it to me. Maybe we start up a new term, a substitute for "mansplainin." "APsplainin'."
Sounds good. You guys can "APsplain" it to me.
Also, if you haven't figured it out, I'm not my favorite handicapper. I'm not even in my top three. LOL.
So you play with a live bankroll, and according to the APs listed above, the live bankroll is play money. If I didn't know better, I'd say there's a negative correlation between APing and reading comprehension. Just a hypothesis.
Really, you guys are unbelievable. You are posting negatively about somebody competing with live bankroll for two months and finishing in the top five out of 650 people.
You must have a problem with folks who are actually capable of doing something.
You seem to take boastfulness as a measure of success. Might it not be rather a measure of insecurity?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Nothing wrong with freerolls aka play money. Because there is so little to win - you're not going to have sharp AP bettors coming out of the woodwork. That is GOOD for you redietz. sheesh
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Originally Posted by accountinquestion
First, it was not a freeroll. If you bet real money, that is not, by definition, a freeroll.
Second, it wasn't me. I guess I need to spell that out.
Other than that, you guys are spot on.
Talk about sheesh.
And I love anonymous handles talking about insecurity. I mean holy hell, do you not see the irony?
We forget winners play for attention and not the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
First, it was not a freeroll. If you bet real money, that is not, by definition, a freeroll.
Second, it wasn't me. I guess I need to spell that out.
Other than that, you guys are spot on.
Talk about sheesh.
And I love anonymous handles talking about insecurity. I mean holy hell, do you not see the irony?
I googled "beat the host" last night because I had no clue what it was or why it was posted in this forum and it said something about free entries. Anyway, the forum went a whole day being dead so I had to give it a tiny little prod to maybe get a few smirks out there.
Wish I knew more about horses. Staying at a track. I wouldn't mind betting some small amounts on OTB but not worth figuring it out.
Fuck off cuntQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionWe forget winners play for attention and not the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
First, it was not a freeroll. If you bet real money, that is not, by definition, a freeroll.
Second, it wasn't me. I guess I need to spell that out.
Other than that, you guys are spot on.
Talk about sheesh.
And I love anonymous handles talking about insecurity. I mean holy hell, do you not see the irony?
I googled "beat the host" last night because I had no clue what it was or why it was posted in this forum and it said something about free entries. Anyway, the forum went a whole day being dead so I had to give it a tiny little prod to maybe get a few smirks out there.
Wish I knew more about horses. Staying at a track. I wouldn't mind betting some small amounts on OTB but not worth figuring it out.
Perhaps the fact that nobody knows who or what you are talking about should be taken as evidence that you should have just sent a DM.
I will take responsibility for that. I ran in the half marathon last night and wanted to avoid the negative energy of the forum so didn't post much the last couple days. I apologize for missing a day of feeding you trolls. It may please some to know that I did not finish. I quit at the 9 mile mark just shy of Fremont street and ubered home.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Don't listen to any of them redietz.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I'm not sure which version you prefer but both are really good.
You choose or heck, take them both!!
(Stallone opted for Eye of the Tiger instead of this song for Rocky III but we got lucky to have it in Karate Kid)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oomCIXGzsR0&t=8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_QhRpQ5b0c&t=39s
You guys are unbelievable. A simple note to me about his girlfriend's continuing prowess in the Beat The Host and you can't just leave it alone. And FYI--I did get a PM about this. As a full-time horseplayer and former contest player (better handicapper than contest player), I am impressed by what she has done over the years and like to hear about it. It is an expensive game to play the contests.
It is not that unbelievable, regnis. Whatever new thread comes along is immediately hijacked by accountinquestion and a few others, into continuing whatever trolling they are doing at the time, in this case trolling redietz and his sportsbetting.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
THAT is what this forum has been reduced to for several years now. I have complained about it for years now and am repeatedly told by AinQ and other trolls, that this is the way they like it.....a troll forum. Druff doesn't seem to care one way or the other.
I did, oh secure one, but I have no idea how often regnis checks his. The goddamn title says, "Note to Regnis" to get his attention. He blows through here every couple of weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburger
If you have nothing positive to say, why not just not flap your keyboard?
Appreciate it, regnis.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
Hey, get this. I just finished the first draft of a script I was asked to do by the producers of a show that's contracted with IHEARTRadio. It's gotta be fact-based, but you can move names and details around so you don't wind up in a hole in the desert. I have no idea what I'm doing and the odds are about 100-1 against my script being used, but it has been a kick to write it.
So this is officially a plug for The Gangster Chronicles. It was called Mob Stories initially, but they switched up the name.
Hey Red, I'm still waiting to hear from the producer of the show you told me about; you know, you were going to try to hook us up because of your appreciation of my creative writing / flaming in Tasha's Young Axl Rose and Cake Cream in 2022 thread in the Whatever's On Your Mind section.
In all candor, Ilovebigknockers is knocking 'em out of the park as well.
Gotta say that retirement is swell, it gives me time to fuck around with such meaningless yet fun things.
Hoping that phone will ring and BAM, off to Hollywood...
In summary, we have comments by account, Axelwolf, and smurgerburger who demonstrate they had literally no idea what they were looking at or talking about, and account couldn't be bothered to figure out what he was reading. I assume Axelwolf didn't bother to read it. He just decided to comment. Who knows if smurger read anything before commenting.
Standard "AP" brilliance in action.
No Hollywood for me, man. My dialogue writing is so bad, but it turns out as long as I just repeat what I've already heard, I'm fine. I do have to tread lightly, though. As someone said to me, "If four people knew the story, and three of them are dead, they're going to know who leaked the story." Wisdom to ponder.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Basically irrelevant stuff red. None of it should bother you, and instead of arguing with these guys you should be posting about how your GWAE interview is shaping up. That---and showing your appreciation to mickey for doing all the legwork in trying to get you folks hooked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Kew, obviously you never listen to people who know what they're talking about. But blabbing about running "half marathons" with your tender ticker just shows more of your stupidity. I was running 4-5 miles per day no matter where I was in the world when I was your age. My feet now tell me walking would have been a lot better. Many "runners" suffer bad knees, nerve damage, need hip replacements etc. as they age. Shouldn't be a problem for you though; you'll be lucky to see 50 :)
This is more Ron Singer desperately seeking my attention. No one cares Ron, you are a has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
He cannot be a "has been" because he's always been a "never was".Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Something you've never learned about forum-posting kew: when you truly believe you "don't care" and/or someone's "seeking your attention" you simply ignore them, and they'll more often than not, stop the torture.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThis is more Ron Singer desperately seeking my attention. No one cares Ron, you are a has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
And you apparently haven't heard--Better to be a "has been" than the person who gets "mocked and laughed at for his faults" in the present.
You have a lot to learn. Too bad your infections, diseases, and death-defying promiscuous lifestyle will never allow you the opportunity.
Yes, I thought about that when I posted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbHe cannot be a "has been" because he's always been a "never was".Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
He is a never was as far as the winning player that he has always wanted to be. But apparently, he was a top troll for years, even decades, for those that celebrate and appreciate that kind of thing. But now he is just a washed up, "has been" as even trolls go. I mean seriously, it is the same old recycled schtick and attacks that he has used on many others over the decades. It is like watching reruns of a TV show or some comedian using the same material he used 10, 15 years ago.
I did ignore you Ron. I stopped posting on that GForum you slunk (is that a word) off to with your tail between your legs when Dan Druff humiliated you here in June. But you are so obsessed with me, and so desperately seek and need my attention that you have returned here, a forum you said you would never post at again. Pathetic Ron, just really, really pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I read enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It is fairly clear you were fishing for some sort of redemption after the absolute beating you took in that other thread. Then you got Kewl coming in with his standard routine. lol. You gave us the bait, now don't be too upset someone took it.
I would get on GWAE ASAP to try and get your name elevated so maybe you have more opportunities.
If you'd at least explained what your point was and given a link. Instead of talking to someone else about "our favorite handicapper". I have seen this behavior somewhere... oh yea 5th grade. I remember now.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Literally not only should it have only been a private message, you intentionally went vague to help ensure there was nothing of interest to anyone. Then you whine.. So stop being a loser, red.
Amazing that you are blind to all the trolling that ditz is doing. But they say love is blind. He's actually taken your place as the number one troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
But do you remember which of your 3 years in the 5th grade it was?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Tewlj quit school in the 3rd grade when he got his driver's license.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBut do you remember which of your 3 years in the 5th grade it was?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
No I am not blind to anything mickey. I have repeatedly stated some things that redietz is wrong about in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
But here is the way I see what is/has happened here. Redietz is a bit old school in what he does. As often happens, he seems unable or unwilling to accept that there are other ways to gain an advantage other than what he has done for decades.
Now we could have gotten into an honest discussion about that, that could have benefited many, and many of us could have learned something, except you and other that don't like redietz, some that have even admitted it saying "because he is arrogant and looks and talks down to people", have decided to just gang up on and attack him instead. And now he has turned defensive as would be expected and we are deeper into the usual trolling and attacking that this forum is famous for.
One big pissing contest with no one benefiting the way it always is.
You're so right you're not a troll. This attempt is so goddam weak it can't even be considered a troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBut do you remember which of your 3 years in the 5th grade it was?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Redietz has never made any attempt at a serious discussion. Never any sort of back and forth. Ask him a serious question that doesn't jive with his nonsense and it is crickets.Quote:
Now we could have gotten into an honest discussion about that, that could have benefited many, and many of us could have learned something, except you and other that don't like redietz, some that have even admitted it saying "because he is arrogant and looks and talks down to people", have decided to just gang up on and attack him instead. And now he has turned defensive as would be expected and we are deeper into the usual trolling and attacking that this forum is famous for.
Red's main problem is he has no clue what he doesn't know and thats what gets him in trouble.
Now he's trying to suggest he knows some mafia secrets and he would be in danger. At some point I should just feel sorry for him given how hard he tries to impress but then I remember who I am dealing with.
Kewl likes Redietz because they have more in common with each than others on this forum. 2 characters who will the same 2 characters forever.
Although in fairness to Kewl. Kewl does answer questions and loves to share info on blackjack. I do believe he is an expert. I'm not sure about BJ in Vegas being Kewl's source of income or not. Redietz on the other hand never talks about any sorts of specifics. Ask him a tough question and you'll get silence. Kewl will at least make an effort to share. Redietz puts more energy into telling people how they're wrong and it is almost always some bullshit semantical argument he makes.
Oh my gawd!!! I was just joking and fucking with YOU, not Regnis. Obviously, I barely knew what you guys are talking about, I didn't even look.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
FFS, you guys get so sensitive over little shit that is clearly a joke, I even said J/K.
P.S. I asked you a few legitimate questions in the other thread and got nothing but crickets.
Redietz's main problem is that, outside of current transient bonus whoring and promotional parlay boosters, every angle that "APs" are using was available and used by handicappers for the last 40 years. Not only that, the mechanics of doing what "APs" are claiming to do to make money across all sports were easier 40 years ago. Much easier. So when "APs" claim to be cruising through sports betting, it's comical. Handicappers have been doing what the current "APs" claim to do, have done it in more favorable environments for doing it, and are aware it's logistically difficult and nowhere near guaranteed. But the crop of "APs" on this site have decided a poor old handicapper doesn't have the savvy to recognize these huge advantages featuring "soft numbers" -- my favorite, "steam chasing" -- gag me with a spoon, and arbitrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
All of these things were easier 40 years ago, and every handicapper worth his salt was doing them 24/7. Except, for example, we didn't call them "soft numbers" because that's a misnomer. Wrong verbiage there. Middles shooting and arbitrage have existed forever.
The only thing the "APs" have going for them versus an experienced handicapper from 30 years ago are bonuses (gimmickry that will not sustain you), parlay boosters (the percent advantage of which are technically figured incorrectly, by the way, because the comparison should be with straight plays, not other parlays). Programs that alert one to arbitrage or middles were being used by Larry Fletcher (AKA Southern Comfort) before Windows existed. Meanwhile, the current crop of "APs," versus handicappers from 30 years ago, has numerous disadvantages of which they are blithely unaware.
But the narrative, as so beautifully put by account, is that I just don't understand the inner secrets of "AP" sports wagering. They have secrets, abilities, and priorities that can create continual winning across all sports. I just cannot grasp it. I've done what they do, sans bonuses (which I am saving for a rainy day) for 40 years, but I just can't see the opportunities they see.
That's quite a storyline. The secret world of "AP" sports betting. What is it that you maroons do that you think handicappers haven't been doing since the dawn of time, and under better conditions?
Don't know what happened to my original response to this, as it disappeared during my edit process. So I will try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Dude, you do realize that MOST AP's, whether professional playing for a living or recreational, but playing seriously, rarely get too specific about what they do. There is a good reason for that.
I am in a liile bit of a different boat, since what I do, card counting is completely known by everyone, casinos included. Nothing new here, so I can't get into too much trouble describing some of what I do. I can get into a little trouble being too specific about some of the ways I apply different things that allows for longevity, which is why I only reveal some of that.
So I don't know why you are giving redeitz shit for something almost all AP, and winning players do...not get too specific or share everything they do.
Well this post is confusing and a contradiction, at least to me. On one hand you are saying the things AP's are doing in regard to sports betting are not sustainable. On the other hand, you say that handicappers have been doing these same things for 40 years. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I know you are getting defensive here, and it is understandable with these clowns ganging up on you the way they do, when they decide they don't like someone. I suppose there also may be a bit of you, a traditional sports better/handicapper for decades, don't like that some AP's have moved into your territory and as a result you seem to be declaring war on ALL AP's.
Here is something I have mentioned before. I don't see anybody claiming that sports betting via AP methods, math, bonuses, promotions, is something they do singularly for a living. THAT is actually very contradictory to what an advantage player is. Almost all AP's do many different things. So if someone like Axel, or mickey or anyone else is doing something with sports betting that can give them an advantage, it is only a small part of the totality of their advantage play. And like everything else they do, if it is not sustainable and bonues and promotions dry up, they move on to the next advantage play.
I just gave a list of specifics that handicappers have been doing for 40 years. We bonus whore, we arbitrage, we middles shoot. No surprises there. Plus we know something about the teams. Plus we know something about the habits of the betting public. That means we can anticipate the line moves with varying degrees of accuracy once they are first posted.
Now "APs" somehow can do better than we do because...why? They belong to a secret society? They say so? They claim A, B, and C?
Account likes to talk about specifics. I can check off a handful of reasons why middling and/or arbitrage were easier 30 years ago. And the bonuses have been around offshore forever. I once earned 12% interest keeping my money in my offshore account rather than withdrawing it.
This is going to come down to the "APs" claiming they have secret ways of earning money across all sports. That must be it because everything else they do can also be done by handicappers. That's the bottom line. So the "APs" must have gnosis, baby. The secret knowledge. The keys to the universe.
Or more likely not.
The bonuses are window dressing. Arbitraging and middles shooting are much easier when you are intimately familiar with a sport and can anticipate line moves. That's not the purview of "APs." It requires a level of intimacy with a particular sport to be able to do that consistently. I'm good at college football line moves. When I commit to saying a game will move one way, I'm right about 70% of the time. That's not handicapping teams; that's handicapping the public. It's a handicapping skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWell this post is confusing and a contradiction, at least to me. On one hand you are saying the things AP's are doing in regard to sports betting are not sustainable. On the other hand, you say that handicappers have been doing these same things for 40 years. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I know you are getting defensive here, and it is understandable with these clowns ganging up on you the way they do, when they decide they don't like someone. I suppose there also may be a bit of you, a traditional sports better/handicapper for decades, don't like that some AP's have moved into your territory and as a result you seem to be declaring war on ALL AP's.
Here is something I have mentioned before. I don't see anybody claiming that sports betting via AP methods, math, bonuses, promotions, is something they do singularly for a living. THAT is actually very contradictory to what an advantage player is. Almost all AP's do many different things. So if someone like Axel, or mickey or anyone else is doing something with sports betting that can give them an advantage, it is only a small part of the totality of their advantage play. And like everything else they do, if it is not sustainable and bonues and promotions dry up, they move on to the next advantage play.
If APs thought they could cruise through sports betting then they'd do that instead of whatever they do. It is a lot of work and if you aren't a sports fan it is boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzRedietz's main problem is that, outside of current transient bonus whoring and promotional parlay boosters, every angle that "APs" are using was available and used by handicappers for the last 40 years. Not only that, the mechanics of doing what "APs" are claiming to do to make money across all sports were easier 40 years ago. Much easier. So when "APs" claim to be cruising through sports betting, it's comical. Handicappers have been doing what the current "APs" claim to do, have done it in more favorable environments for doing it, and are aware it's logistically difficult and nowhere near guaranteed. But the crop of "APs" on this site have decided a poor old handicapper doesn't have the savvy to recognize these huge advantages featuring "soft numbers" -- my favorite, "steam chasing" -- gag me with a spoon, and arbitrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
All of these things were easier 40 years ago, and every handicapper worth his salt was doing them 24/7. Except, for example, we didn't call them "soft numbers" because that's a misnomer. Wrong verbiage there. Middles shooting and arbitrage have existed forever.
The only thing the "APs" have going for them versus an experienced handicapper from 30 years ago are bonuses (gimmickry that will not sustain you), parlay boosters (the percent advantage of which are technically figured incorrectly, by the way, because the comparison should be with straight plays, not other parlays). Programs that alert one to arbitrage or middles were being used by Larry Fletcher (AKA Southern Comfort) before Windows existed. Meanwhile, the current crop of "APs," versus handicappers from 30 years ago, has numerous disadvantages of which they are blithely unaware.
But the narrative, as so beautifully put by account, is that I just don't understand the inner secrets of "AP" sports wagering. They have secrets, abilities, and priorities that can create continual winning across all sports. I just cannot grasp it. I've done what they do, sans bonuses (which I am saving for a rainy day) for 40 years, but I just can't see the opportunities they see.
That's quite a storyline. The secret world of "AP" sports betting. What is it that you maroons do that you think handicappers haven't been doing since the dawn of time, and under better conditions?
You seem to think people aren't limited all over the place if they consistently only get their money in good and or win longterm. This says you're not very worldly when it comes to modern sports betting even though I'm positive you've bet more than I ever have. You actively mock the idea of people being limited when everyone else knows it happens all the time.
Saving bonuses for a rainy day... like who says this shit? As if there is something to be saved? The good promotions won't last. Just another example of being clueless...
You clearly don't know what you're doing in many regards as witnessed by the numerous responses you give over rather mundane things APs have brought up.
And Redietz most of important there is a huge difference in what is available now vs 40 years ago. It is called online sports betting.
I don't recall anyone going on and on about these secrets. It is math. That is what people claim. Math. Handicapping is far more about "secrets" but lets not try to actually represent anything factual. Right, Redietz?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
People have repeatedly told you their approaches etc and you pretty much universally dismiss them in some capacity. Who is actually claiming secret knowledge? Oh wait !! I know the answer. It is CRICKETS.
Here is one example. Redietz loves to give his anti EV speech. Ok.. fine.. but then what is it one uses when determining to place a bet that is not a gimmick of some sort? Never got an answer. Nah, he wants to tell you he is too smart to use the phrase EV but offers up nothing in place of it. To this day I've never seen the guy suggest using anything to replace the usage of EV. Ask him about it. Crickets crickets crickets. Every other successful sports bettor won't have an issue with using the phrase EV. And if they did have an issue like Redietz? They'd offer up an alternative but in Redietz's world such things don't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJDon't know what happened to my original response to this, as it disappeared during my edit process. So I will try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Dude, you do realize that MOST AP's, whether professional playing for a living or recreational, but playing seriously, rarely get too specific about what they do. There is a good reason for that.
I am in a liile bit of a different boat, since what I do, card counting is completely known by everyone, casinos included. Nothing new here, so I can't get into too much trouble describing some of what I do. I can get into a little trouble being too specific about some of the ways I apply different things that allows for longevity, which is why I only reveal some of that.
So I don't know why you are giving redeitz shit for something almost all AP, and winning players do...not get too specific or share everything they do.
He isn't giving away secrets by not answering. He really just doesn't know much and I suspect he CAN'T answer that.
He does know tho that sports is magick and you can't use a precise term like EV ! whatever dude.
Maybe this example clears it up for you.
Case in point vis-a-vis line moves. I took Seattle ML in the XFL at -124 earlier today. Guess what? I could arbitrage it right now. That's the "advantage" of being a handicapper and knowing the public.
Handicapping isn't some math formula. It's knowing how an organism behaves. People are organisms. Football teams are organisms. Either you know them intimately or you don't. What formula do you use to decide if your parent is ill? What formula do you use to decide if that waitress spit in your food? Sports betting is about predicting the behavior of interacting organisms.
If betting sports were a math formula, everyone would win.
You replace EV with "my opinion is." Because whether you use that EV line, it's still an opinion. It's not some math-circumscribed flipping of coins. You say "in my estimation" or "in my opinion" or "subjectively, I think." If you pretend games are coin flips, you're just wrong. They are not. Sticking with "EV" as some sort of crutch doesn't make it more accurate. The problem with "EV" is that 20 different people can estimate 20 different "EVs," and YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS CORRECT.
Again, cases in point: if you thought NFL totals this last season were coin flips, you were wrong. If you thought NBA home teams this season were coin flips, you were wrong. These aren't the result of blind variance. They are the result of the structure of how the organisms are interacting.
It isn't really my "opinion" if I am using a system and a line I acquire elsewhere. I suppose it is but not in a way that makes it worth saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Anyway, you're insane. Everyone else knows that sports betting is full of predictions and predictions are always opinions. No one else needs to make these points because they're sane. You? Not so much.
These points you make are so childishly obvious. Of course the way someone calculates the EV of a bet can be completely different and completely wrong. Sharp bettors are smart enough to see past that. They're smart enough to figure out who to listen to and who not to listen to. There are other bits of math related things that might tell you who you should listen to.
... crutch ... just unending nonsense. Pretty sure the guy claiming to have the handicapping magick is needing the crutches more than the others
Love you weirdos.
What ditz does is also widely known.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJDon't know what happened to my original response to this, as it disappeared during my edit process. So I will try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Dude, you do realize that MOST AP's, whether professional playing for a living or recreational, but playing seriously, rarely get too specific about what they do. There is a good reason for that.
I am in a liile bit of a different boat, since what I do, card counting is completely known by everyone, casinos included. Nothing new here, so I can't get into too much trouble describing some of what I do. I can get into a little trouble being too specific about some of the ways I apply different things that allows for longevity, which is why I only reveal some of that.
So I don't know why you are giving redeitz shit for something almost all AP, and winning players do...not get too specific or share everything they do.
According to Strawman Ditz professional gamblers cannot be versatile. He says they spread themselves thin by not specializing. It's an opinion based in ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWell this post is confusing and a contradiction, at least to me. On one hand you are saying the things AP's are doing in regard to sports betting are not sustainable. On the other hand, you say that handicappers have been doing these same things for 40 years. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I know you are getting defensive here, and it is understandable with these clowns ganging up on you the way they do, when they decide they don't like someone. I suppose there also may be a bit of you, a traditional sports better/handicapper for decades, don't like that some AP's have moved into your territory and as a result you seem to be declaring war on ALL AP's.
Here is something I have mentioned before. I don't see anybody claiming that sports betting via AP methods, math, bonuses, promotions, is something they do singularly for a living. THAT is actually very contradictory to what an advantage player is. Almost all AP's do many different things. So if someone like Axel, or mickey or anyone else is doing something with sports betting that can give them an advantage, it is only a small part of the totality of their advantage play. And like everything else they do, if it is not sustainable and bonues and promotions dry up, they move on to the next advantage play.
And another thing. It's monumentally rich that you, ditz and maxpen went after Singer but then you want to say that others are "ganging up" on Ditz.
Multiple people expressing disagreement with ditz is not ganging up. It's just that ditz' opinion on certain subjects is so out of whack that multiple people have expressed disagreement with it. And ditz doesn't help his cause by continually denigrating AP's with his strawman arguments.
AP's have not said they can do a better job than you. You made that shit up, strawman.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
BTW, when they were in the American market, Party Poker used to pay 12% interest to accounts.
If you can't calculate the edge then how do you know you have an edge?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
LOL! How many times has KJ said he would never post in this forum again?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Where would you put the over/under?
I put it at 37.
Sounds pretty accurate to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmLOL! How many times has KJ said he would never post in this forum again?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Where would you put the over/under?
I put it at 37.
I'm just disappointed that he and his twit baby bro both challenged me on GF to tell them what foolish degenerate liars & losers I know kew's entire clan is TO THEIR FACES the next time I was in town, so I told them I'D DO EXACTLY THAT by giving them a date, time and location (Sun. Feb.19 @ Circus Circus Steakhouse). Yet NEITHER of these cowards showed up!
They have now become proud members of the group of chickenshit lying big mouths (maxpen, Dan, redietz, MrV, kew, baby bro) who have all cowered away from meeting up with me face-to-face, basically to shove their collection of envious lies right back into their faces.
Gob bless their tiny little safe spaces....
Football player = organismQuote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Horse = organism
Bill Benter made almost a billion dollars betting horses using nothing but computer based analysis. His story is well known in the gambling world. He uses statistics and probability to find ineffeciencies in the odds. That's the same as a professional sports bettor looking for "weak lines." Due to the wealth he created betting horses he's also a philanthropist. Here's his wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Benter
And here's his book on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Base.../dp/B088VTZ1PT
"Bill Benter did the impossible: He wrote an algorithm that couldn’t lose at the track. Close to a billion dollars later, he tells his system.
This book examines the elements necessary for a practical and successful computerized horse race handicapping and wagering system. Data requirements, handicapping model development, wagering strategy, and feasibility are addressed. A logit-based technique and a corresponding heuristic measure of improvement are described for combining a fundamental handicapping model with the public's implied probability estimates. The author reports significant positive results in five years of actual implementation of such a system. This result can be interpreted as evidence of inefficiency in pari-mutuel racetrack wagering. This paper aims to emphasize those aspects of computer handicapping which the author has found most important in practical application of such a system.
Also included the Bill Benter "What Are My Odds?" Presentation at ICCM in 2004Bill Benter did the impossible: He wrote an algorithm that couldn’t lose at the track. Close to a billion dollars later, he tells his system.
This book examines the elements necessary for a practical and successful computerized horse race handicapping and wagering system. Data requirements, handicapping model development, wagering strategy, and feasibility are addressed. A logit-based technique and a corresponding heuristic measure of improvement are described for combining a fundamental handicapping model with the public's implied probability estimates. The author reports significant positive results in five years of actual implementation of such a system. This result can be interpreted as evidence of inefficiency in pari-mutuel racetrack wagering. This paper aims to emphasize those aspects of computer handicapping which the author has found most important in practical application of such a system."
Ditz, perhaps you could read the book and give us a review about how this self-made millionaire doesn't know jackshit about handicapping.
Don't drag me into your little morality play, boyo, especially via lies like you're once again promulgating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
You claim I "cowered away from meeting you:" bullshit, never happened.
What did in fact happen was that you posted that you would be in Pacific City, on the Oregon coast, driving a Dodge Charger, and you said I could meet you at the brew pup on the coast north of Lincoln City, in Pacific City.
I responded, quite clearly, that no, I had no intention or desire to do that; I counter-offered, saying that if you wanted to meet me then we could meet at Chinook Winds Casino.
Just as I declined your invitation to meet you at the brew pup, you declined mine to meet me at the casino: stalemate.
So let me ask you this: how does this justify you describing me as "chickenshit?"
How have I "cowered?"
In all candor: what do you possibly have, or what might you have possibly done in the real world that would make me "envious" of you?
Nada.
You describe me as a "lying big mouth" due to my refusal to believe your claims; I call my refusal to believe you as an exercise in discernment.
Rob, you didn't win $1.5M on one VP bet: never happened: liar, liar, keyboard on fire.
As usual, Rob is using revisionist alternative reality. None of these things happened, here in the real world. What took place in Rob's alternative reality....I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Everyone saw what occurred with Dan Druff and MaxPen on the meetups. Despite anything Rob now says, in the real world it was Rob who reneged on these meetups.
Redietz prosed meeting with Rob for some kind of interview but he had terms in his proposal which didn't happen. So there was NO agreement to meet up.
I have no recollection of MrV ever agreeing to meet Rob anywhere. Fairly recently, maybe the end of last summer when Rob was in MrV's neck of the woods, Rob proposed meeting for a beer or something. Seemed like friendly meetup to me. MrV said no that was too far and suggested a place closer to him. (who could blame MrV for not wanting to drive hours to have Rob no-show as he routinely does). So they never agreed on anything that I am aware for this friendly meetup.
I most certainly never agree to meet Rob anywhere. I wouldn't waste 10 minutes to drive to South Point to witness the Maxpen-Rob fiasco where Rob supposedly showed up 2 hours ahead of the agreed time. If I had been in the casino at that time when I read about it, I wouldn't have wasted 90 seconds walking across the casino floor.
Now my brother over at GF, tired of Rob Singers lies about him and our family, did get heated and challenged Rob to come say these things to his face. But first, I, nor my brother know nothing about Rob at Circus Circus (figures that is about the type of place Rob frequents). Never read a thing about it until after the fact (Rob's usual M.O). But had I known, I wouldn't have shown as I already stated above, I wouldn't waste 90 seconds on this guy.
AND I wouldn't have allowed my brother to show up either. Not exactly sure how I could have stopped him if his mind was set, but I would have stopped him. You see here in Nevada, along with most states, there is a law against physical confrontation with elders. I think the age is 60. If two guys, one over 60 and one under get into a physical altercation, the younger guy is wrong in the eyes of the law and will be charged regardless of anything else. And there is no stipulation that someone can wave that protection, so don't even go there. Rob like the coward that he is and has proven to be many times is exploiting this abnormality in the law. He can say whatever he wants and no one can do shit, because he demented old man.
You misremember as to the distance between the brew pub and Chinook Winds casino.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Pacific City is not "hours" away from Lincoln City, it is one half hour away: the distance was not the issue.
As I later explained to Rob one reason I chose not to motor north to kiss his ring was because I felt he'd probably blow me off as he's done to others and that he'd then somehow try to spin it to his perceived advantage on these forums: the man has a Machiavellian mind.
Me, I prefer to confine my games to the casino floor.
I wouldn't mind meeting Rob, although I suspect we'd have little in common to discuss: not afraid, but not particularly interested either, and he seems to feel the same about me.
You are nit picking MrV, but Ok, I stand corrected....half hour rather than several hours. The more important thing is the part of your post I highlighted. Whether several hours, 1/2 hour or 5 minutes, people don't want to be bothered wasting ANY time to meet Rob, who will not show or bizarrely claim he showed two hours early or whatever game he is playing that day. It is a case of the boy who cried wolf. Gets to a point, no one can even be bothered any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
From page 58 on GF, Jan.24, 2023, 4th para. and in a reply to kew: --- "Baby bro" wants me to come over there so I can tell you homos what losers you are and bitch slap the "both" of you? Hey, anyone having a problem with me comes over here. I'll say any and all of this to your wussy faces at ANY location. In fact, if you're too yellow to be here, I'll be in town on Feb. 19th for dinner at 6:30pm at the Circus Circus Steakhouse.---Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJAs usual, Rob is using revisionist alternative reality. None of these things happened, here in the real world. What took place in Rob's alternative reality....I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Everyone saw what occurred with Dan Druff and MaxPen on the meetups. Despite anything Rob now says, in the real world it was Rob who reneged on these meetups.
Redietz prosed meeting with Rob for some kind of interview but he had terms in his proposal which didn't happen. So there was NO agreement to meet up.
I have no recollection of MrV ever agreeing to meet Rob anywhere. Fairly recently, maybe the end of last summer when Rob was in MrV's neck of the woods, Rob proposed meeting for a beer or something. Seemed like friendly meetup to me. MrV said no that was too far and suggested a place closer to him. (who could blame MrV for not wanting to drive hours to have Rob no-show as he routinely does). So they never agreed on anything that I am aware for this friendly meetup.
I most certainly never agree to meet Rob anywhere. I wouldn't waste 10 minutes to drive to South Point to witness the Maxpen-Rob fiasco where Rob supposedly showed up 2 hours ahead of the agreed time. If I had been in the casino at that time when I read about it, I wouldn't have wasted 90 seconds walking across the casino floor.
Now my brother over at GF, tired of Rob Singers lies about him and our family, did get heated and challenged Rob to come say these things to his face. But first, I, nor my brother know nothing about Rob at Circus Circus (figures that is about the type of place Rob frequents). Never read a thing about it until after the fact (Rob's usual M.O). But had I known, I wouldn't have shown as I already stated above, I wouldn't waste 90 seconds on this guy.
AND I wouldn't have allowed my brother to show up either. Not exactly sure how I could have stopped him if his mind was set, but I would have stopped him. You see here in Nevada, along with most states, there is a law against physical confrontation with elders. I think the age is 60. If two guys, one over 60 and one under get into a physical altercation, the younger guy is wrong in the eyes of the law and will be charged regardless of anything else. And there is no stipulation that someone can wave that protection, so don't even go there. Rob like the coward that he is and has proven to be many times is exploiting this abnormality in the law. He can say whatever he wants and no one can do shit, because he demented old man.
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Too bad kew, you got caught in another of your habitual lies again! And all it takes is posting one of a million to wreck whatever credibility you like to think you have inside that puny crossed-wires head of yours. :)
Not to pick nits unduly, KJ, but I don't think my clarification was in fact nit picking as you initially seemed to think I didn't want to meet him because of the travel distance involved.
Kudos to you for catching kew telling YET ANOTHER lie!Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVYou misremember as to the distance between the brew pub and Chinook Winds casino.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Pacific City is not "hours" away from Lincoln City, it is one half hour away: the distance was not the issue.
As I later explained to Rob one reason I chose not to motor north to kiss his ring was because I felt he'd probably blow me off as he's done to others and that he'd then somehow try to spin it to his perceived advantage on these forums: the man has a Machiavellian mind.
Me, I prefer to confine my games to the casino floor.
I wouldn't mind meeting Rob, although I suspect we'd have little in common to discuss: not afraid, but not particularly interested either, and he seems to feel the same about me.
If you remember, we drove to Oregon and I invited you for dinner at Pelican Pub in Pacific City. You said you had an interest in muscle cars and we were returning from a trip to Maine in my 1005hp Hennessy Hellcat Charger, so I thought you'd like a quick look and/or ride, with dinner on us as I offered. You proceeded to try and change the location to a casino in Lincoln City for who knows why, when I just drove thousands of miles compared to less than 200 round trip for you. And how much further or closer is Pac City from your home anyway?
So YES, you 100% DO belong in the cowardly group I mentioned.
I said "I have no recollection of MrV ever agreeing to meet Rob anywhere". And you haven't shown me where there was an agreement. The fact that I said several hours instead of 1/2 is irrelevant.
So good to have you back Ron. Just what we need, another coach belly, playing "gottch ya" with irrelevant minor details, ignoring the jist of the discussion.
:) Looking like a lying fool once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You and that idiot baby bro of yours were in the middle of a back & forth with me. Then suddenly, when I responded to a homo threat by telling you clowns to either come over here and I'd say it all again to your faces....OR where, when, and what time to show up in LV so I could bitch slap both of you fairies, it's now "I don't recall"!!! Hahahahaha--you think ANYBODY believes that, knowing how you follow my every word and can't wait to feel hurt again whenever I blast the truth out in a new post about the biggest phony LV!?
Good thing you're not trying to sell yourself for income like redietz always is.....
Lying fool? Like taking pictures in an RV at a dealership? THAT kind of lying fool? :rolleyes:
I wasn't engaged with you at all that day. But never let the truth get in the way of Ron Singer's alternative reality.
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Now here is an "undeniable truth" for you. Rob needs an enabler to get any traction with his BS fantasy claims. For a decade the late Alan Mendelson played that role.(except of course a brief period where Alan told the truth about what Ron revealed to him).
Now Mickey crimm fills that role of enabler. And when Rob can't get anyone to play that role, he literally makes up an enabler. Hello Jerry Logan. ;)
Even when you get desperate and change the subject to other lies that you never really seem to have convinced yourself of, nothing takes away from the level of cowardice you showed by ":) NOT RECALLING" :) something that makes you look like an all-time fool either way! And it looks like that "baby bro" password lie was never anything more than----ANOTHER LIE.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Pure gold.....
Imagine how frustrated, agitated and infuriated kew must be right now....and I'm happy to take all the credit for it!!
Only in the alternative reality within the mind of a demented old man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
That you even think it is pure gold and this shit is what you live for, proves exactly what and who Rob Singer is. A sad old man unhappy with his life and where he is at, so he spends his final days angrily and bitterly trolling others.
Pshaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Yes, I am a gear head, having owned a '68 Camaro RS, '70 Challenger R/T and a '95 Ferrari 456GT, and yes, you told me you had acquired a nice piece of iron.
I don't recall you specifically offering to pay for my dinner, maybe you did, but that had nothing to do with my decision to eschew a rendezvous in Pacific City.
As stated, it was a matter of trust: based on what I'd read about you previously on these boards I questioned the legitimacy of your offer, suspecting it was some form of silly ploy.
We reap what we sow.
I was wondering why the new thread when he didn't even answer some good questions and comments in the other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI read enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It is fairly clear you were fishing for some sort of redemption after the absolute beating you took in that other thread. Then you got Kewl coming in with his standard routine. lol. You gave us the bait, now don't be too upset someone took it.
I would get on GWAE ASAP to try and get your name elevated so maybe you have more opportunities.
Pshaw, I don't even acknowledge anyone unless they own a 71 Plymouth hemi cuda ragtop.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVPshaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Yes, I am a gear head, having owned a '68 Camaro RS, '70 Challenger R/T and a '95 Ferrari 456GT, and yes, you told me you had acquired a nice piece of iron.
I don't recall you specifically offering to pay for my dinner, maybe you did, but that had nothing to do with my decision to eschew a rendezvous in Pacific City.
As stated, it was a matter of trust: based on what I'd read about you previously on these boards I questioned the legitimacy of your offer, suspecting it was some form of silly ploy.
We reap what we sow.
And therein lies the reason why you are guilty of your own reaping. You chose to believe max; you chose to believe Dan; you chose to believe kew; so you chose to believe that I would not be in Pacific City, when you easily could have checked with the motel directly across the street had you asked to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVAs stated, it was a matter of trust: based on what I'd read about you previously on these boards I questioned the legitimacy of your offer, suspecting it was some form of silly ploy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
We reap what we sow.
But this really wasn't about any of those collection of cowards, was it. Just as with those fools, you remain twisted in knots over the fact that I really did hit that large VP jackpot. And each of you continue to hide from me, lie about me, and keep up the charade that I'm broke, I lied, and I'm wrong about the squad.
Be truthful next time.
Then you acknowledge very few people, even if it were the 1970's. I was around for those, and just seeing one once a year was a treat.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfPshaw, I don't even acknowledge anyone unless they own a 71 Plymouth hemi cuda ragtop.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVPshaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Yes, I am a gear head, having owned a '68 Camaro RS, '70 Challenger R/T and a '95 Ferrari 456GT, and yes, you told me you had acquired a nice piece of iron.
I don't recall you specifically offering to pay for my dinner, maybe you did, but that had nothing to do with my decision to eschew a rendezvous in Pacific City.
As stated, it was a matter of trust: based on what I'd read about you previously on these boards I questioned the legitimacy of your offer, suspecting it was some form of silly ploy.
We reap what we sow.
Singer and AlexWolf back with a vengeance, VCT is heating up :)
Now all we need is MadMax to complete the All-Star trio !
If I were really "back" you'd see more whining about a hit like this one I got at Wynn. Oh wait--this ones not worth disbelieving or claiming "as soon as I looked at it I had it pegged as being from an internet jackpot site because of the cursor and blue line!" or "OOPS, I was wrong about that--I knew within the first three-tenths of a second it was from a home machine!" because it's only on quarters.
Congrats on the nice hit Ron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Can you tell us which casino you hit it at?
I only ask because you refuse to tell us where you (allegedly, very allegedly) hit the $1.5M VP jackpot.
C'mon man, that claim is just so lame...
I actually much prefer the 1989 25th-anniversary Lambo. Any Lambo will do. A Lambo is definitely my favorite car of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThen you acknowledge very few people, even if it were the 1970's. I was around for those, and just seeing one once a year was a treat.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfPshaw, I don't even acknowledge anyone unless they own a 71 Plymouth hemi cuda ragtop.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Even though I know the 80's Countachs were not driver friendly at all.
I had about 15 different posters and framed pictures of girls and Lambos from the 80s. I usually won them at the fair. I remember having this one(more than one different size)
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/115654383149.
I had the same framed pics, which I collected from shops on Venice Beach when I was home. "Lick" and "Hand-le" were two of them. Most were of them were very picturesque Conntaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfI actually much prefer the 1989 25th-anniversary Lambo. Any Lambo will do. A Lambo is definitely my favorite car of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThen you acknowledge very few people, even if it were the 1970's. I was around for those, and just seeing one once a year was a treat.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Even though I know the 80's Countachs were not driver friendly at all.
I had about 15 different posters and framed pictures of girls and Lambos from the 80s. I usually won them at the fair. I remember having this one(more than one different size)
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/115654383149.
You're reading and not seeing because whenever I post these things, you're on the edge of your seat....breathless.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
It says Wynn. Same place I hit the $100k $25 machine win that Druff couldn't come to grips with until Alan proved the machine wasn't "photoshopped" as Dan hoped and prayed it was.
The $1.5mil hit? The casino has a new HL slots manager and I believe I can finally say where it was at this point. But I LIKE frustrating the hell out of the losers and wannabees ,aka--the little people. So wait.
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/at...9&d=1526825911Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfI actually much prefer the 1989 25th-anniversary Lambo. Any Lambo will do. A Lambo is definitely my favorite car of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThen you acknowledge very few people, even if it were the 1970's. I was around for those, and just seeing one once a year was a treat.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Even though I know the 80's Countachs were not driver friendly at all.
I had about 15 different posters and framed pictures of girls and Lambos from the 80s. I usually won them at the fair. I remember having this one(more than one different size)
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/115654383149.
You don’t play blackjack for a living. If I was allowed to we could post pictures of your daily activities to prove the point. Perhaps one day the game you play on old in the closet gay men will be reversed. In time maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJDon't know what happened to my original response to this, as it disappeared during my edit process. So I will try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Dude, you do realize that MOST AP's, whether professional playing for a living or recreational, but playing seriously, rarely get too specific about what they do. There is a good reason for that.
I am in a liile bit of a different boat, since what I do, card counting is completely known by everyone, casinos included. Nothing new here, so I can't get into too much trouble describing some of what I do. I can get into a little trouble being too specific about some of the ways I apply different things that allows for longevity, which is why I only reveal some of that.
So I don't know why you are giving redeitz shit for something almost all AP, and winning players do...not get too specific or share everything they do.