I just got an Amber Alert urging Residents to stay in their homes except for Essential business. This is getting really concerning and scary. :/
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I just got an Amber Alert urging Residents to stay in their homes except for Essential business. This is getting really concerning and scary. :/
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Originally Posted by dannyj
You're right I'm not very familar with your views. I see you post on here some.
Trump can readily choose to release his tax forms. It is his choice to go back on his word. What you point out for Obama is something that is largely out of his control, but yes he lied. Yes, Presidents have lied in the past. Yes, that is all true. Hell look at Hitler. By that standard Trump is just Jim Dandy, no?
I think the healthcare system is a joke in this country relative to what it should be. Like I said, go look at Valient and see some really huge issues. Oh our system was so great ! Free Market is the greatest!!! Fucking idiots. Insurance for the healthy and the middle finger to the sick !
When the CoronaVirus is said and done with and we give it a 10 on the "healthcare system upheaval" scale then whatever the fuck Obama did will be a 1 or 2 at very most. There are core fucking issues with healthcare in this country.
Dude your post is pretty helter skelter.
It is out of Obama's control now, but he had 5-6 years after obamacare was forced on the country and I don't remember him ever saying he fucked up about people keeping their doctors.
Classic comparing Trump to Hitler, but yeah, by that standard he is Jim fuckin Dandy.
Everything being relative, you say our healthcare system is a joke relative to what it should be... I think we should always strive for perfection, relative to that yeah it's a joke, but there is miles between where we are and perfection.
You say, "Insurance for the healthy and the middle finger to the sick ! I don't know I'm not on obamacare, but I thought the sick couldn't be left out. Pre-existing conditions and all. "Fucking idiots."
You say, "There are core fucking issues with healthcare in this country." I say, WELL NO SHIT!
Wasn't comparing Trump to Hitler. Was comparing your analogy to Trump and this Obama thing. I'm kinda beyond taking it seriously.
So if you are so against whatever it is that Obama did, then how should healthcare be fixed? What is it that he did that was so awful versus what you believe should be done? Just keep it simple, you have me curious how you see this.
Are you familiar with Valient and their business practices ?
Mostly against gigantic legislation that doesn’t have bipartisan support. Remember not a single republican voted for Obamacare. The public was against it as well. Didn’t matter, the Dems rammed it through anyhow. They had to pass the bill to find out what was in it (pelosi). Millions were thrown off of their old insurance and made to pay for things they didn’t need or want. Many more went without insurance AND were made to pay a fine as well.
Like I said earlier, they didn’t have to blow up the whole system just to get more poor and or people with pre existing conditions covered. They could have set up a different program for them. But again, they wanted single payer all along.
I fyou like your doctor you can keep your doctor is not the only lie Obama told about Affordable Care Act. Hell, the name of the frickin' bill, "Affordable Care Act" is a lie itself. Obama and the Dems pushed the narrative that under Obamacare healthcare premiums would be cut. They actually at least doubled. So that was an egregrious lie that really hurt the American people. I remember Boz, a small business owner, complaining that healthcare premiums for him and his wife went from $400 a month pre-Obamacare to $1600 a month under Obamacare.
Now, Trump and his tax returns. What Trump said was he would release his tax returns when his audit was over. In hindsight that's pretty funny. Someone of his wealth, that owns as much as he does, is under perpetual audit. It never ends. Hahahaha! So he will release his tax returns when the audit is over. LOL! I personally don't give a damn about his tax situation.
Rachel Maddow got her hands on a couple of years of his tax returns and the dude had paid a couple hundred million in taxes. Rachel Madcow had mud all over her face.
So your main problem with it was that Republicans didn't agree with it?
If you don't have single-payer, it never works. "A different system for them" is the same problem we already had. Insurance doesn't work so well when privatized because guess what, insurers don't want to cover the sick because that is not in their interest. Real fucking simple economics. Yes costs went up for some, including myself. The younger people had to start subsidizing the older. These are problems or symptoms of something being fixed.
You can also find many people who were previously sick and the thing helped. I was annoyed too I had to subsidize old and sick, but thats sorta what you want insurance for. In America though insurance is a tool for profit and seen as a good thing for business just as much as the insured.
You guys turn this stuff Trump says into a joke, but on the other hand you are so pissed the media attacks him and people don't take him seriously. This shit has been going on since day 1. Which is it? Laugh and don't take him seriously, or be respectful and listen to it? You guys want both, depending on the specifics. I'd say THIS observation is funny, but it is really just pathetic.
So how did this Rachel thing go down? Was it like Geraldo Rivera opening up Alcatraz's tomb then she was like "oh I fucked up". Then there was mud on her face? She was too dumb to go over the documents before she aired them?
You forget about the other tax return that was released where he had like the biggest loss in the country for that period? Something like that. Who had mud on their face then, Mickey?
I don't care about his returns directly, I just want a President who is as he presents himself. THis guy can't even keep his own cabinet. If he worked for me, he'd had a few talkings to by now and then I'd have fired him. When you can't get the buyin of management under you, then you're really really not a good leader. He'd had heard "you're fired" fo sho'.
With establishment presidents the underlings in the cabinet are meant to keep the president in line. They control him for the establishment. Trump don't take that shit. He's the boss and if you don't start acting like it you're out of here. A lot of them bozos thought they were going to control the president and got fired. Good riddance!
The media is just fucking horrible. They drove Trump to quit having press briefings. They complained out the ass about it. He started having them again over coronavirus. When the American people got to see what he was saying without it being filtered thru the media his popularity started climbing. So now CNN and MSDNC say they are going to quit covering the press briefings. You have to understand the media isn't interested in the truth. The one and only thing they are concerned with is destroying Trump. Nothing positive is ever said about him only negative. But we see thru the bullshit media and will re-elect Trump. You don't like it I dont give a fuck.
Trump is too dumb and legitimately needs cabinet experts. We as a country don't need yes-men. Him being the man-child he is, 100% needs every yes-man he can find.
It is interesting how you ignore every question of mine when you don't have the typical propaganda bullshit answer that has been pre-pumped into your head as a response.
My main problem with it is I didn't agree with it. That the majority of the general public agreed with me is irrelevant. Dems had a super majority and steam rolled the public. In 2010 the repubs picked up 63 seats in the House to take control of that chamber. For dems it was the most losses by a party in a House midterm election since 1938. So yeah, the general public was against obamacare.
Thanks for admitting what most already know, "(If you don't have single-payer, it never works)". That has always been the end game. It's just that dems lie, they never have an open , honest conversation with the public. They give the free shit army what they want and bullshit the rest to come along.
I don't have an answer to what it should be. I'm for safety nets and helping people that is why it seemed to me that they should create a separate program for the two under served groups, the poor and those with pre-existing conditions.
Lets be honest. Insurance is risk pooling, where people pay into a pot and be compensated when the risk event occurs. Putting people with pre existing conditions into that pool is not insurance anymore. The risk event has already happened. Under obamacare you would have to pay for everyone's issues. No more a la carte where my wife and I pick out what WE need and can fit into our budget. No, we have to pay for things we don't want, could never use, and may be against. Oh, and don't forget about the cost. Mickey touched on it above. The biggest lie was that it was supposed to lower costs. Quite the opposite. People lost choice, quality, and the cost skyrocketed.
Someone once said Obamacare only works for those who don't. I think that is pretty right.
I think ObamaCare has nothing to do with healthcare, helping the poor or fixing the system it has to do with controlling human beings.
So basically after it came out, you hated it because you and others had to pay for other's problems. It was already like that with existing insurance, but this made it worse.
It is very nice for insurance companies to be able to pick and choose who they insure. You call that insurance, I call it something else.
The last sentence of your post shows you are a wingnut and while I didn't know that much about your views, it shows your a wingnut thoughts.
Yes obamacare made it much, much worse.
Dude I'm done being civil to you. You and I are never going to see eye to eye on this. You're like most liberals...it's your way and everyone else is wrong.
You are the one that did not vote for Obama in 2012 after this abortion of a bill was passed. You are the one that stated, "I've never voted for a Democrat President in my life."
So I guess you're not a complete idiot, just someone who has to think he is right while making bullshit arguments.
I'm done with you.