Assuming it wasn’t Alan.
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Assuming it wasn’t Alan.
The winner was a regular player of that progressive. After taxes, he got $149,000.
Would the payout have been the same had the cards been in sequence, left to right, starting with the 10, then jack etc.
I don't play VP.
For all I know, it could also win if the sequence began in the middle, e.g. Q, K, A, J, 10.
"Sequential?"
Meaning what, exactly?
8,6? am I missing something. Isn't that bonus poker deluxe where 8,5 is "full pay"?
The games may state "reversible" so it can go either way...
Wait a minute... After all the shit-talking you do on people here like Alan, you don't understand something as simple as what a "sequential Royal" is? Are you the guy that sits at a slot machine, spins one credit and asks a slot person why you didn't get paid on the 3rd line?
I play a lot of VP and don't know which way "sequential" starts. I always assumed it was TJQKA, but apparently others say it's AKQJT. Then again, I haven't really played sequential RF machines, but any that I've seen appear to be "reversible sequential" or whatever, meaning it can go either way.
And there's nothing wrong with shit-talking Alan.
RS__ sequential means either way. In this case, the machine is called "reversible" which means the jackpot is paid regardless of which sequential hits.
What surprises me is that this particular game and jackpot was discussed in a thread here before. Mickeycrimm even gave the odds for hitting it while WOO does not have the odds for it hitting both ways.
Despite the discussion before, MisterV still didn't know?
Perhaps a little less shit talking by him and you and V wouldn't be the latest victim of foot in mouth disease.
Edited to add: by the way, V participated in the original thread about this progressive. But if you look at his posts you'll see that he was there only to shit talk.
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-210k-jackpot)
V is a two faced liar.
He spends years with the Wiz and the Wizettes but doesn't understand a Sequential or Reversible Royal.
He also partakes in forum discussions about these types of Royals but claims he doesn't understand what it is.
However when he and his girlfriend Boz gets a Hard On for Rob Singer and a Cock Fight he is all over it constantly...
Never shutting up about betting or getting terms for a 100k bet about the size of another mans cock.
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...s+poker+deluxe
Did you not see the thread I posted about a 1, 2 and 5 dollar bank of 9/6 BP Deluxe at Stations?
A couple of pages on the above link/thread posted about current 9/6 BP Deluxe at Stations.
This bank still exists and I play it when point days roll around.
No big secret really... it is located at Boulder Station near the high limit area.
12 machine bank. 1, 2 and 5 Dollar games available.
Happy Hunting.
Baddest man in Vegas, lol.
I've never seen a "sequential" machine that was not also "reversible"
Order of the deck (in any game is)
2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 J Q K A
Ranking in order of Clubs, Diamonds, Hearts, Spades.
Has anyone seen the full image of the royal? I do not see the 5th card... (using my detective skills it is the 10 of Spades)... Was this guy dealt 3 or 4 to the royal? If it was 4 to the royal, how long do we think he sat there praying for it to fill in?
Really?
Where have I lied?
I play craps and high limit slots, period: I do not play VP nor do I pay particularly close attention to arcane VP discussions, although I sometimes jump in to take a shot at a worthy target.
To my knowledge I've told no lies here or on WoV: obviously you think you've got the goods on me to prove it, so go ahead, show me a post where I have lied.
I'll wait.
*sips coffee, pets cat*
MisterV - on Red White and Blue 7's slot machine, gets Blue 7, White 7, Red 7 and complains he doesn't get Red White and Blue Jackpot...
A royal has 120 permutations. The 1st card can be any of the five, 2nd any of the four remaining, etc. So the math is:
5X4X3X2X1 = 120
Since it's a reversible sequential you need to hit either AKQJT or TJQKA. Without a strategy shift the sequential chance is 1 in 60. A strategy shift doesn't improve the odds much and raises the cost between sequentials. At 8/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe the royal chance is 42,077. So the chance of hitting a reversible sequential royal is:
42,077 X 60 = 2,524,620
The easy way to calculate the payback on the software is to determine the average pay for a royal.
59 royals pay 4000 coins
1 royal pays 217,592 coins
That averages to 7560 coins per royal. So I ran a 7560 coin royal on 8/6 BPD and the return showed 100.5457%.
Is this anything a real AP would get involved in? No. There is more to advantage play than just having an edge. When can you expect a payday? Since the frequency is 2,524,620, at 800 hands per hour you are looking at 3,156 hours of play per sequential royal.
Then there is the cost. The expectation is a 1.5% loss between sequentials:
2,524,620 X 5 = a 12.6 million dollar wager.
The 1.5% loss rate = $189, 346. That's the average cost to produce the sequential.
There are a lot better plays around.
There are a lot better plays around? Tell THAT to the guy who hit the sequential for $217-thousand and see what he says!
How much would it cost to have Alan do a psych evaluation & IQ test? I might be willing to throw down a few shekels if he does them and shares the results. There's definitely something wrong.
What's a joke is someone saying this was a "bad play" while some player got a $217,000 return on a five dollar wager.
I'm sure this player lost some money along the way to hitting his $217,000 but are you really going to tell him that he made a bad play? He'd laugh at you while laughing all the way to the bank. Meanwhile you will sit back and say "I didn't make that bad play" but you don't have the $217,000 jackpot.
You don't have the 217K jackpot either, dumkoph. You have some really screwed up logic. It would number in at least the hundreds, the number of people that blew their money on that bank. So tell THEM it was a good play, Alan. And the guy that got lucky? He's a sucker. They just made him a loan is all. The house will get it all back and more. That's what they've been doing with you for years. Those 100K royals you hit? Nothing but fricking loans. You blew it all back and more. What's that saying? A sucker is born every minute.
Listen mickeycrimm. I'm not telling the losers that it was a good play. I'm saying you can't tell the winner it was a bad play. READ WHAT I WROTE.
This is the type of discussion that separates the AP boys from the men.
There are two types of plays here: good plays and bad plays. Any player--AP or not--who sat down and played at the bank of machines and was a net winner over the course of the progressive, made a "good play". And any player who lost money while playing at that bank of machines during this progressive, made a "bad play". It is as simple as that.
Whatever the theoretical "going in" expectation was or is, is completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters are the actual results. Not "the play is worth X amount per hour" useless bs or "because the guy who hit it is stupid for playing it I know for a fact that he'll give it all back and more" envious nonsense.
Most of you idiots pontificate from your armchairs anyway, while a toad like mickey hops around in two-bit territory. Which of course is why you dummies all want it to be that Alan simply "handed back" his big royals that NONE of you could even come close to affording to play for in the first place.
When reality faces theory, reality wins out every single time.
Oh....good to see everyone agree what a dunce this MrV really is. Lawyer my ass.
What you are saying is irrelevant. You have a penchant for saying things that are irrelevant to the subject at hand. Secondly, not all sucker gamblers are totally stupid. People hit jackpots all the time that know they were playing a sucker game and just got lucky. The math says there will be some lucky suckers in the bunch. Your reasoning is the rationale all sucker gamblers use. "Hey, I might get lucky." As Fats said, luck is for suckers.
Okay mickeycrimm. You just want to argue. I'm not going to argue. I say congratulations to the winner. He made a great play. He's got the $217,000. The next time I see him at Red Rock I'll tell him congratulations. But you can tell him what a sucker he is. Okay?
Mickeycrimm just stop. Really.
Mickey don't start pulling individual lines from Rob's post to make an argument.
What we have here is that an INDIVIDUAL hit the jackpot and he made a good play. That's all. Rob is saying the same thing too.
Just admit it. The lucky player got lucky. It was a good play for him. It didn't matter what the math said, he got the damn sequential royal.
It's done. You can kick and scream all you want but this guy won it. Good play for him.
Geezus.
You're sick mickeycrimm. It's your argument that is irrelevant. You just can't say that some guy got lucky, can you? It's just like when I was dealt quad 7s on that hundred play machine at Suncoast. The first comment from Axel was about the paytable.
Look... it didn't matter what the frigging pay table was after I was dealt 7777 on a hundred play VP machine and it didn't matter what the frigging paytable was to the guy who won the $217,000 sequential royal. And you know what? It doesn't matter if you'll concede that or not because I got the quad sevens and that lucky guy got the $217,000. Now, go back to your jealous whining because that's all it is.
Alan, I do believe mickey realizes he would indeed have a whopper on his hands if he went up to the guy that hit this royal and told him "hey, you're nothing but a sucker who'll give it all back and more anyway, because you're not a savvy ap like me who wouldn't have played that stupid progressive in the first place".
It wouldn't take the usual four drinks to put mickey on the floor in this scenario.
This might be as stupid as ap argument as when I posted my $100k royal in my GT column after tossing 3 queens and holding 3rf cards. It put me up around $96k for my session, yet the idiot ap's could only cry about "how much that play cost me!!" One fool even told the GT editor that I really "lost money overall!"
Now I can see why they would never make that play, but none of them use a true strategy either that would call for a rare, gutsy play like that either. These morons just don't get it.
Grow up mickeycrimm.
Oh okay mickey, you win. I'm going to work now.
Gentlemen, gentlemen: is there no common ground here?
Try this: The fellow at Red Rock, just like people who bet and win a jackpot at Megabucks, chose to play a gambling game where the odds were against him; through variance / luck he won.
Instead of a "good play" he had a "good pay."
What about five high straights? In any poker or video poker game there are 5 high straights.
Why are you being so nit picky about this a 5 high straight is beaten by a Royal flush or even an Ace high straight... the Ace can be considered low but the Ace is still considered high if it's not part of that straight so that Ace is higher than king.
Unless the Ace is considered LOW it is highest card in the deck.
I'm simply pointing out that aces can be high or low cards. What's the problem?
You said:
"Order of the deck (in any game is)
2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 J Q K A"
BUT... in actual play the ace can be low. This has nothing to do with royals or sequential royals it's just stating a fact about poker.
Again what's the problem?
Ok... I'll change it to say order of the deck unless ace is declared low... geeeze....
Everyone is so defensive on this forum... and if they're not defensive then they are attacking someone else. Sorry, I'm sick of it. This used to be a place where there could be interesting discussions. Now it's a fucking cesspool.
Oh for heavens sake. In every fucking poker or video poker game an ace can be high or low. That's one reason an ace is so valuable. Even in Mexican Poker an ace is high and low and Mexican Poker isn't even played with a full deck.
Alan... name one casino game where Ace is low only...
Not counting Razz or poker games. Something on the floor or video machine.
I never said there was a game where ace is low only. I said in every poker game an ace can be high or low.
Can be used in a high or low hand does not change the overall ranking of the card.
A2345 ... when not uses in the specific A2345 wheel the Ace is High... if you have A2346 you have Ace high.
That is unless you're playing RAZZ where you would have a 64 low.
Here's the full photo from Red Rock's Facebook page. He was dealt three cards.
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...1b&oe=5C9E87C3
That is freaking beautiful... It really is...
8/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe = 98.4928%
8/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe w/ Reversible Royal @ 217632 Credits = 100.8186%
If he/she plays VP like you do it was a VERY BAD play but he/she got lucky and hit it.
I wouldn't consider the play good or bad. If was was +EV, you are playing correctly, and if they are getting free play, comps, invites etc. I don't see anything wrong with putting in a little time trying to get lucky knowing you have a long term advantage. It's just not considered a good play by most AP's standards, but for all we know, an AP hit it.
Well written answer Axel. You covered every possible answer in that response. One of the best examples of double talk (or is it multiple talk?) that I ever read. LOL
I said it was beautiful what the fuck is your problem?
I also pointed out that he was playing in a positive expected return situation... So for the majority of you fucktards looking for +EV situations with a 100.8186% expected return I don't understand why you all were not lining up to play...
That positive expected return is of little or no value short term. If you sit and play that machine for several hours, it really doesn't matter. Now if you chase similar positive plays regularly on a day to day basis, arguably it is worthwhile. That is something that the pros forget----that nominal + is of little value short term. So if this is the only game a casual player chases, it just doesn't have the same value as it has to a pro that plays day after day.
It reminds me of something RS said to me about having a +EV on a football game recently. If I was betting games on a regular basis and had a great number of such plays, that might be good. But to say I should have bet that one game (rather than try to middle it) because I had (maybe) a + EV, as I knew about the QB injury before the linemakers, I still don't think that matters. Not on one game where anything can happen.
Mickeycrimm I'm sure I'm playing in the long term. But results are measured by the session or day or week or month or year... fiscal or calendar. I don't know how those fit into any "long term" scenario but I'm willing to listen to an explanation. Go ahead, please.
The reason this isn’t a good play by most APs’ standards is because the N0 is too high. It sure doesn’t help it’s less than 1% edge, which doesn’t give you much room in case of running bad.
Man are you guys confused. If anyone sits down and plays any particular vp play--whether it's +1%, +2.5% -2% or whatever, you're doing nothing more than making a short-term play within that machine's long-term life. And if you hop around to casinos all the time only playing what you call "plays with an edge" on these machines--thereby concocting the fallible but feel-good scenario that you are somehow always playing in "positive play/long-term" territory--you are only fooling yourselves and you know it.
At no time is anyone ever always playing with an advantage over any machine, regardless of the "theoretical". You simply enter into a machine's life cycle on a session-by-session basis, and HOPE you are there during a positive portion of that cycle. The overall pay table expectation has absolutely nothing to do with the relatively miniscule amount of time you are playing your session.
So to make believe an AP "only plays when they have a theoretical edge" and that they and everybody else only plays in the "long-term" when we have zero idea of where any particular machine resides at within its life cycle, is both misleading, misguided, and is extremely disingenuous.
The reason a player such as myself has been so successful playing mostly slightly negative games is because I'm educated enough--and far more than most of you--to understand AND ACCEPT the reality of the situation that vp players face. That Doctrine states, as much as most self-proclaimed "AP" hate to agree with it, that "No current hand, session, or machine has anything at all to do with any hand, session, or machine that has been dealt and/or played before, or is yet to bet dealt and/or played". IE, every session any vp player ever plays is always and only a short-term endeavor.
There is no "grind it out" ap-scenario that scares any casino (thus, the CONSTANT ap-luring promotions) or that makes any kind of sense. If you're gonna play with no specific strategy like mine, you play intelligently and a lot, and hope that good luck takes its place more often on the good part of the Bell Curve than bad luck does. And that is the only way any regular player has a chance to win over time--recreational or pro or whatever.
You people need to wise up. You toss around all the simple math as if YOU'RE the ones who've come up with it. Wake up dummies--the CASINOS came up with it first, and they use it automatically--and not systematically.
You people are only fooling yourselves.
I recently was put on a play by an alleged AP who made me swear to secrecy in an attempt to convince me how wrong I am about AP’s.
Combined with the casinos promotion I should average approximately $65.00 per hour. Even if you were paying me $65.00 cash per hour regardless of the outcome out of your pocket, I wouldn’t want to do it. I did it just to see if the math is what they say it is.
I played as fast as I could, and after my first day on this play I put in about 8 hours minus lots of piss breaks and dinner. Totally fatigued I called it a day and got a full night sleep ready to continue the following day. After another 9.5-hour day of grinding my ass off I closed out after including what I earned with the promotion totally down $2,325.00 dollars. If I can’t convert the free play into cash when I get it that number could get worse.
He said I didn’t give it a fair chance and needed to play more.
Blackhole I'm expecting you will be told two things:
1. It was a long term play and variance went against you in the short term
2. You played incorrectly
Thanks for posting.
So he went into panic mode after discovering that the reality did not match ap-theory. Not surprising. Just "keep playing" after the initial SIXTEEN HOURS OF PLAY and you'll get lucky. Another big surprise.
Any more doubts about the how and why so-called "AP's" are all legends in their own minds?