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It's beyond sad. Your post forced Alan to HAVE to respond, and the only way he could was to make AndrewG do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Alan, this is getting sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
Just admit it's you.
He reads this forum 24/7.
I wasn't aware of the peanuts involved in all this. It's really extraordinarily embarrassing. The machines, unfortunately, really did a number on them. Alan's moving to LV certainly could not have helped.
A couple responese: kew, ho-hum....you are, guess what?...WRONG AGAIN. The strategy in that GT article on WoV is not the strategy I played from 2000-2004 professionally.
Mdawg, I'll give as quick an explanation as possible because there's a lot to it.
I played my self-developed vp strategy for 4 years, 2000-2004, winning approx. $375k net. In Jan/Feb 2004 after four years of looking for something or anything after playing my weekly sessions, I discovered the double up play, where I netted $2.8million thru mid-2009. No one else knew about it until a drunk stumbled upon it in 2009. He and a friend were arrested, jailed, but were eventually freed when the US Govt closed the case. I kept silent all those years and played it almost weekly. I was a columnist at Gaming Today for 8 years at the time, and when I found the more lucrative play I chose to continue my story of playing my strategy forward, because I wasn't sure if double up was legal or not. I waited ten years to release what I had done. I told and apologized to Gaming Today, who really didn't care since it was in the past with a different owner.
Kew is jealous about all of it and copes by manufacturing lie after lie about me. His gay friend redietz, who solicited me for sports betting picks twice in the past, has chosen to join in on the lies and spins.
It has been all kinds of fun. But right now, if I don't hear from wizard in the next 2 days on how he wants my response over there, my wife, dog and I are departing for an RV trip Friday at 10pm.
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
Why do you say Rob is a conman? If he is, he is the WORST Conman ever. The gambling world is filled with Conmen, as is the real world. And they have one thing in common, they look to benefit by stealing your money.
What did I miss where Rob was screwing people out of their cash for his own financial gain? Only thing I see is some cheap books many years ago. I’m sure those profits from legally sold books changed his life. So much that he kept writing new books annually ever since.
Sounds like you are getting bitter about all the attention he is getting. And even worse he is getting discussion and perhaps an interview at the most important place in the world to you, WoV. As everyone knows how angry and bitter you are over your banning there, this has to be getting to you.
Being a Drama Queen must require you to be the center of the debate, so this isn’t good for you.
Hell ZenKing believes YOU are a Conman. It’s a easy phase to throw around.
I never understood the outrage regarding Singer and his stupid "system".
I've had a ton of complaint messages over the years from angry users who demanded I censor Singer's posts about his system, or ban him. They claimed it was for the public good, because he could potentially trick people into following his advice.
I pointed out that Rob's posts about his system got widespread scorn on this forum, and that anyone reading these threads would come away with the impression that he's full of crap. Furthermore, I never saw any real evidence that Rob was selling his system here or profiting in any way from coaching. I always thought the coaching crap was made up, or if it ever took place, it was many years ago to just 1 or 2 people.
In short, while Singer has been rude, inappropriate, and trollish on many occasions, one concern I never had was his "system" doing any real damage here. That seemed like a lot of stretching from people who didn't like him and wanted to find any excuse to get rid of him.
J, I edited my post because I scanned a few pages of your posts and realized that I had been wrong to say whatever I was originally saying (before edit). So I apologize for that.
And now I realize that I was also wrong to think you were talking about me, inconsistency wise. So I apologize for that too! :cool:
As far as Rob, what he's posting now seems consistent, but you're saying that it has not been consistent at all over the years? One thing I still don't understand is how one may teach taking advantage of a bug or why anyone would do that as it would bring heat onto yourself. Or maybe Rob is talking about teaching the strategy that worked for only a few years? which I am not clear yet on what exactly that strategy was or why it worked.
Rob, I believe the Wizard is waiting for you to contact him to give the green light for the interview. To do this you go to the main page of the WOV and click the Contact link at the very bottom, and then a form appears. Subject would be "Other."
Just as an aside: as far as statute of limitations, if it has anything to do with not disclosing income on a filed tax return, to the point where it is not just an error but willful failure to disclose, there is no statute of limitations for civil fraud in that respect. Not saying that this has any relevance here, but just tossing it out there.
As I said before, next Singer will tell us how he discovered card counting, hole carding, etc. Dunno why any of you bother. Let him keep suckering the clueless that go to casinos. True pros and AP's can see right through his ruse.
Alan should delete those 35 videos of him with Rob from YouTube.
When did we become such a nation of pussies that these social avengers come around making their demands because of the public good. Worrying about the potential of people getting tricked. When most of the time it's just about them being heard not about saving someone from them self.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The Conman label never made sense to me. While I did show my strategies to hundreds over the years I never took payment, and the one gift I accepted was a $1000 bottle of Scotch from a guy who hit a $40k royal while I sat there advising him at The Resort at Summerlin.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Why do you say Rob is a conman? If he is, he is the WORST Conman ever. The gambling world is filled with Conmen, as is the real world. And they have one thing in common, they look to benefit by stealing your money.
What did I miss where Rob was screwing people out of their cash for his own financial gain? Only thing I see is some cheap books many years ago. I’m sure those profits from legally sold books changed his life. So much that he kept writing new books annually ever since.
Sounds like you are getting bitter about all the attention he is getting. And even worse he is getting discussion and perhaps an interview at the most important place in the world to you, WoV. As everyone knows how angry and bitter you are over your banning there, this has to be getting to you.
Being a Drama Queen must require you to be the center of the debate, so this isn’t good for you.
Hell ZenKing believes YOU are a Conman. It’s a easy phase to throw around.
The other curious part of kew and his attention-seeking is how he keeps harping about needing "proof". Other than the fact that I didn't keep any records and I never took pictures or videos because I'm intelligent enuf not to have, isn't it HIM who continually harps about how nobody should be asked to prove anything about their gambling claims and results on forums?
I see now Alan's added how he's "so unhappy" that he never "made me" supply proof of things before he reported anything. Well, that's pretty strange coming from the guy who sought me out and chased ME down for interviews and videos.
Finally, the only person who's ever been stupid enough to show tax returns on any forum as far as I know was arci, and it backfired on him because he talked the talk of a big winner, but when Alan got his returns it showed maybe a $3k profit. Imagine "Breaking News Alan" with YOUR tax returns in-hand!? And now Alan's lamenting I didn't provide them to him. I told him at our RR breakfast that I never COULD show him them because they showed far higher numbers than I wrote about in my column because I was really on the double up play instead of playing my strategy. That couldn't have been explained back then.
Everyone knew you couldn't stop posting here.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
Welcome Back... Muhahahahhahahahahaha!!
It's all misinformed BS anyway danny. I knew the vast majority of those I trained would only take away ideas on how they might want to change some of the way they play, and the privilege of having met and chatted with me :) instead of walking away with a deep understanding of a very complex strategy that they'd never use. Most of those I met with were visitors, and most of those I met with a second time were locals. But I did get thousands of phone calls from them, and they loved talking to me about the game. It was good and for the better good all the way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyjWhen did we become such a nation of pussies that these social avengers come around making their demands because of the public good. Worrying about the potential of people getting tricked. When most of the time it's just about them being heard not about saving someone from them self.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Questioning statements of this nature has gotten me called silly names many times, but here we go again....Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
What was the scam? Explain how you think his scam worked.
I just sent a follow-up message the wizard's way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
I never taught the double up play--kept it totally to myself. That's how things survive.
I understand the tax liability issue. The one thing I always did during those tax years was file properly. We had a standard audit then but there was no findings.
Coach I suspect kew's coming apart at the seams at this point. I'd LOVE to hear about this "scam" also.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyQuestioning statements of this nature has gotten me called silly names many times, but here we go again....Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
What was the scam? Explain how you think his scam worked.
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Originally Posted by coach belly
I can't comment on what's appearing to you, but perhaps the meaning of the term One Flesh is not what you think it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
It seems to me that the passages you quoted were written in an effort to keep the men in that tribe from fighting over the women.
What a TARDfest. Dan should just nuke this idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
This is pathetic.
Anyone that buys Singer's double up story probably believes AndrewG is not MendleBread.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Singer Derangement SyndromeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Most or all of this stuff is really irrelevant today, except to Alan, who would put together a story on his mother's rape if it would garner enuf attention.
Whether or not anyone believes my short-term play strategy won and whether or not people are capable of understanding all the pieces of evidence from my history that reasonably show a trail that leads to the fact that I did in fact exploit the double up play for 5.5 years, doesn't really matter. I didn't release the info because I craved getting believed. It was done to get a heavy weight off my shoulders after 10 long years and 15+ overall. And none of this will affect our retirement life in any way.
I get that Alan has made a very tough life for himself because of gambling, and he's a walking, talking Breaking News carnivora. This stuff is important to him because what else does he have? So it'll all just pass in due time.
People can vent their anger and hate and envy with lies about me, my strategy, and anything else that helps them get things off their chest, and I'll be happy to discuss it all with Shack if he wants to. But if not, we're on the road Friday night.
Maybe its time to show some proof for a change. That's what everyone is clamoring for.
Rob claimed to make 2.8 million on the double up bug. He should put up the proof.
I claimed never having a losing year in 24 years of gambling. I should put up the proof.
Redietz claims to having been a professional sports handicapper for 40 years. Where is his proof.
Kj says he makes an average of 80K per year playing blackjack. Show us the proof.
JBJB claims to beat blackjack by hole carding. Where's the proof?
SO LET'S ALL GET BUSY AND PUT UP THE PROOF. We'll show Singer, by golly. It's easy to put up proof, right guys. You all have it, right, the proof? KJ? Redietz? You guys got proof, right? Let's put the proof up just to show Singer how it's done. Who wants to go first?
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Originally Posted by The Boz
Fair questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I think Rob's scam was mostly about self promotion. Building himself up to be something that he is not. He was obviously also promoting his goofy book nd I say goofy because they were completely lacking of any kind of mathematic principals that would lead to a player being a long-term winner. Any person promoting anything as a short-term winner, should just call there system "a different way to lose in the longrun".
Do I think Rob saw riches coming from his book sales that he was promoting? No I don't. Again I think it was mostly about building himself and his ego into something that he was not, a longterm winner. I think the single most honest thing Rob ever shared was the fact that he failed as an advantage player for a number of years. Kudos to Rob for that brief moment of honesty. But Rob so desperately wanted to be a winning player, to one up Dancer, that he created this BS story and claim. And now he has added to and amended the original claim over the years.
Let me share a story. On the blackjack forum I used to be on there was a player, not the first guy I called out with his "super duper" count, but another player, we will call "The Flash" after the comic book guy. So the Flash billed himself as a 20 year professional blackjack player. He really was not. He was technically a doctor but had a long career teaching at a university. When he retired early, like in his 50's, he took up blackjack card counting. Good for him. That is a perfect application of card counting today. So the point is that while he made some money in those 20 years, he never lived off that money. He had a wife still working and was supplementing retirement. And there is nothing wrong with that either.
Over the years on the forum, The Flash did reveal some disturbing issues that he had been a life-long -EV losing gambler, fancying horse-racing, craps, roulette and blackjack. Ok nothing wrong with that either. I don't begrudge anyone being a losing player, enjoying themselves with recreational gambling as long as they are able to do so responsibly. There were hints that the Flash was a little more than recreational -EV gambling, but that is not for me to say.
So this was all good. The Flasher had built himself up into something that he really wasn't. No big deal. So here is were I started to have a problem. He begins making claims that the only way to win was to use his system and "mentoring" (as he called it) new players. Starts out doing so face to face over the computer and eventually they always met up in person. He revealed that there was a small fee paid for his mentoring services saying it might be a meal or the annual membership fee at the blackjack forum. Just a token amount. Ok...whatever. Not that big of a concern.
So eventually, the story circulated through the blackjack community as these things do that he was involved in a robbery at the casino. Our good guy, mentorer THE Flash had met several of those new players that he was mentoring, gotten them to combine bankrolls so they could play higher stakes and guess what, the Flash was Robbed of that combined bankroll. People that know the situation claim that money went to paying craps losses. This story isn't speculation. It is known throughout the BJ community and the sources are actually people that knew The Flash pretty well.
Now do I think Rob Singer was ever up to something as dastardly as that? No I don't. I honestly think Singer is just about building himself up into something he is not, because he couldn't and cant handle the fact that he could not succeed as a true advantage player.
Now I am going to tell you another story that those in the blackjack circle know. I promise it wont be as long. the first guy that I called out on Norm's blackjack forum, T3, promoting his "super duper" blackjack count. It wasn't exactly clear to me what his motivation was either. yeah he talked about that he intended to write a book someday, but I don't think that was it. This guy was a low limit recreational player know for decades on several forums. All of the sudden at Norm's forum, he announced ahead of time that he was going fulltime and was going to be known as one of the blackjack greats. Next thing you know he is promoting this "super duper" count making mathematical impossible claims of 5% advantage from card counting. And he had all the phony math and formula's in the world to back it up. Every math guy in the community said what he was claiming couldn't be done, and he would just repeat and repeat his claims and phony math until he muddied the waters so much, you could see some of the newer players start to follow him.
THAT is much more what I think Singer is about. Almost immediately upon encountering Singer I saw the similarities. Singer just uses his attacks and name calling to deflect and muddy the waters, when he is called out by the math guys.
So THAT is what I believe the scam is coach belly, building himself up to be something that he isn't simply because he couldn'thandle the fact that he failed as a traditional AP, which he so desperately wanted. Now Boz, the conman comment, refers to that these guys are really good at this. They are smooth and can talk you into believing them That's what conmen do. THAT is their talent. And that is what I really believe Singer is. I don't think he is out to con players out of their money or anything like that, although who knows if there was "fee" he charged those that he claims to have taught his system (that he can't produce). I really think his "con" was and continues to be just to build himself up into something he is not for the attention and because he can't handle that he failed as a traditional AP.
I want to once again reference this quote by Alan Mendelson at WoV, because this reveals the whole 20 years of the Singer con. This continued for about ten years until his confession. That made me reexamine the big missing link: no proof. Always an explanation but never proof.[/QUOTE]