President Trump is *not* responsible for Wuhan Virus Infections in the US

We do not live in a totalitarian or facist country; in contrary, we live in a FREE country called USA!!! President Trump has not decreed all US citizens must wear a face mask or face jail time. In short, Trump is not responsible for the growing Wuhan infections because he has **NO** control over people avoiding wearing face masks, social distancing, practicing hand hygiene, etc.

Here’s an analogy: Drunk drinking and related fatalities. Suppose deaths from drunk driving increased dramatically during the past 5 months. How is Trump responsible for the actions of careless and reckless drivers?

The Wuhan infection rate (and associated deaths) in the US is tragic. However, it’s not Trump’s fault. You look at the massive BLM protests that preceded the rise in infection rates. That is something we can blame because those protests (against public policy of social distancing) has control over infection rates. You look at deaths in NY state directly due to Gov. Cuomo’s directives over nursing homes, e.g. specific actions by Cuomo that led to specific consequences where people died that could have been avoided.

Please don’t fall into the trap if something is bad in the US, therefore it must be Trump’s fault. And please don’t be like MWP who will try to be bring up a small Trump rally in Indianapolis, which is completely dwarfed by the massive BLM riots and protests (in MWP’s mind, more people attended the Trump rally than the BLM rioters and protesters across the US).

Damn right Trump is responsible for bringing the record covid cases to the U.P. of MI

President Trump made a visit to Upper Michigan on June 25th and two weeks later the covid is spreading like wildfire in Menominee County. The U.P. was averageing about 1 case per day at the end of June, but is now up to over 6 cases a day. Two weeks after Trumps visit Menominee County alone had 7 cases in one day all thanks to Trump.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...sin-visit.html

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Originally Posted by Midwest Player

Damn right Trump is responsible for bringing the record covid cases to the U.P. of MI

President Trump made a visit to Upper Michigan on June 25th and two weeks later the covid is spreading like wildfire in Menominee County. The U.P. was averageing about 1 case per day at the end of June, but is now up to over 6 cases a day. Two weeks after Trumps visit Menominee County alone had 7 cases in one day all thanks to Trump.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...sin-visit.html

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MWP, I think you are onto something here with cause and effect. But its not just Michigan. Trump's visit to the UP has caused the virus to skyrocket in Florida, Texas, Arizona, California. Damn, Trump blew it when he visited the UP. Now we are all going to get the virus.

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Originally Posted by Ex-AP

We do not live in a totalitarian or facist country; in contrary, we live in a FREE country called USA!!! President Trump has not decreed all US citizens must wear a face mask or face jail time. In short, Trump is not responsible for the growing Wuhan infections because he has **NO** control over people avoiding wearing face masks, social distancing, practicing hand hygiene, etc.

Here’s an analogy: Drunk drinking and related fatalities. Suppose deaths from drunk driving increased dramatically during the past 5 months. How is Trump responsible for the actions of careless and reckless drivers?

The Wuhan infection rate (and associated deaths) in the US is tragic. However, it’s not Trump’s fault. You look at the massive BLM protests that preceded the rise in infection rates. That is something we can blame because those protests (against public policy of social distancing) has control over infection rates. You look at deaths in NY state directly due to Gov. Cuomo’s directives over nursing homes, e.g. specific actions by Cuomo that led to specific consequences where people died that could have been avoided.

Please don’t fall into the trap if something is bad in the US, therefore it must be Trump’s fault. And please don’t be like MWP who will try to be bring up a small Trump rally in Indianapolis, which is completely dwarfed by the massive BLM riots and protests (in MWP’s mind, more people attended the Trump rally than the BLM rioters and protesters across the US).

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Comrade Dietz is avoiding you.

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Originally Posted by Midwest Player

Damn right Trump is responsible for bringing the record covid cases to the U.P. of MI

President Trump made a visit to Upper Michigan on June 25th and two weeks later the covid is spreading like wildfire in Menominee County. The U.P. was averageing about 1 case per day at the end of June, but is now up to over 6 cases a day. Two weeks after Trumps visit Menominee County alone had 7 cases in one day all thanks to Trump.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...sin-visit.html

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You’re such a tard.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by Ex-AP

We do not live in a totalitarian or facist country; in contrary, we live in a FREE country called USA!!! President Trump has not decreed all US citizens must wear a face mask or face jail time. In short, Trump is not responsible for the growing Wuhan infections because he has **NO** control over people avoiding wearing face masks, social distancing, practicing hand hygiene, etc.

Here’s an analogy: Drunk drinking and related fatalities. Suppose deaths from drunk driving increased dramatically during the past 5 months. How is Trump responsible for the actions of careless and reckless drivers?

The Wuhan infection rate (and associated deaths) in the US is tragic. However, it’s not Trump’s fault. You look at the massive BLM protests that preceded the rise in infection rates. That is something we can blame because those protests (against public policy of social distancing) has control over infection rates. You look at deaths in NY state directly due to Gov. Cuomo’s directives over nursing homes, e.g. specific actions by Cuomo that led to specific consequences where people died that could have been avoided.

Please don’t fall into the trap if something is bad in the US, therefore it must be Trump’s fault. And please don’t be like MWP who will try to be bring up a small Trump rally in Indianapolis, which is completely dwarfed by the massive BLM riots and protests (in MWP’s mind, more people attended the Trump rally than the BLM rioters and protesters across the US).

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Comrade Dietz is avoiding you.

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Mickey, I don't really mind the "Comrade Dietz" stuff, but in case you haven't noticed, I'm a socialist, not a communist. Now I know many Americans have trouble distinguishing the two words as they each have "ist," but if you spell them out phonetically, you'll notice there's a slight difference.

Socialists generally have broad themes using science-based perspectives and the radical idea that "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." I got that line from Mr. Spock in Wrath of Khan. Anyway, the differences between socialism and communism are quite striking. If you ask a socialist how you know policies were wrong, you'll get an answer based on evidence. If you ask a communist how they know their policies are wrong, you won't get an answer because communism will default to an excuse. Communism is more like a religion. You know, like Trumpism. If you ask what would make a true believer in Trumpism change candidates, you won't get an answer. You'll get a conspiracy or an excuse. There is no real corrective mechanism for communism or Trumpism. They repeat their mistakes, and they don't course correct, like most religions. Policy is a matter of faith.

Socialism doesn't work like that. But I'm good with the "Comrade Dietz" stuff if you can't phonetically separate communism from socialism. I have a lifesize Trump cutout (a gift) and I've been meaning to get an old Soviet flag. So when I get them set up in the yard, I'll take a few photos. Then you can see how color-coordinated they are.

Comrade Crimm does have more of a ring to it.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey, I don't really mind the "Comrade Dietz" stuff, but in case you haven't noticed, I'm a socialist, not a communist. Now I know many Americans have trouble distinguishing the two words as they each have "ist," but if you spell them out phonetically, you'll notice there's a slight difference.

Socialists generally have broad themes using science-based perspectives and the radical idea that "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." I got that line from Mr. Spock in Wrath of Khan. Anyway, the differences between socialism and communism are quite striking. If you ask a socialist how you know policies were wrong, you'll get an answer based on evidence. If you ask a communist how they know their policies are wrong, you won't get an answer because communism will default to an excuse. Communism is more like a religion. You know, like Trumpism. If you ask what would make a true believer in Trumpism change candidates, you won't get an answer. You'll get a conspiracy or an excuse. There is no real corrective mechanism for communism or Trumpism. They repeat their mistakes, and they don't course correct, like most religions. Policy is a matter of faith.

Socialism doesn't work like that. But I'm good with the "Comrade Dietz" stuff if you can't phonetically separate communism from socialism. I have a lifesize Trump cutout (a gift) and I've been meaning to get an old Soviet flag. So when I get them set up in the yard, I'll take a few photos. Then you can see how color-coordinated they are.

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Comrade Dietz, we are all socialist to a degree but your form of extreme socialism is an evil I don't want to see happen to this country. You just don't get how to much socialism destroys the incentive to produce goods and services. Do you know how bad the shortage of goods is in Venezuela?

If socialism really worked it would have worked in Venezuela, the latest country to go socialist. They had a sizable minority that lived below the poverty level. Hugo Chavez came to power with the promise of making everything more equitable. Well, he certainly succeeded. In order to try and remedy the economic inefficiencies of socialism Chavez had to make another power grab. The centralization of power made things even more inefficient. So they grabbed more power and it became more inefficient. Now 80% of Venezuelans live below the poverty level.

Your vision of "the needs of the many" is a utopian dream that will never happen in this world. It goes against human nature. There will always be a person smarter than another person, more ambitious than another person, more industrious than another person. But if you reduce it to "the needs of the many" then you are relegating the real producers in this world to the same fate as the dumbest among us.

The smart, industrious people of the world are not going to produce if all they get for it is to have to live no better than all the dumb do nothing lazy slobs of the world. To have to live no better than those that consume but never produce.

Thats the cold hard reality, Comrade Dietz. No one is going to work their ass off for the good of humanity if they have to live in poverty while doing it. Under your form of socialism the producers will go away. And those that only consume cannot live without the producers. So the whole country goes to shit.

What you call Trumpism is really anti-socialism. Trump is an asshole but we much prefer him to your utopian dream of socialism. That has to tell you something. You socialists are so repugnant that we have to elect an asshole like Trump to keep you at bay.

If the choice is socialism or Trump then I take Trump everytime.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey, I don't really mind the "Comrade Dietz" stuff, but in case you haven't noticed, I'm a socialist, not a communist. Now I know many Americans have trouble distinguishing the two words as they each have "ist," but if you spell them out phonetically, you'll notice there's a slight difference.

Socialists generally have broad themes using science-based perspectives and the radical idea that "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." I got that line from Mr. Spock in Wrath of Khan. Anyway, the differences between socialism and communism are quite striking. If you ask a socialist how you know policies were wrong, you'll get an answer based on evidence. If you ask a communist how they know their policies are wrong, you won't get an answer because communism will default to an excuse. Communism is more like a religion. You know, like Trumpism. If you ask what would make a true believer in Trumpism change candidates, you won't get an answer. You'll get a conspiracy or an excuse. There is no real corrective mechanism for communism or Trumpism. They repeat their mistakes, and they don't course correct, like most religions. Policy is a matter of faith.

Socialism doesn't work like that. But I'm good with the "Comrade Dietz" stuff if you can't phonetically separate communism from socialism. I have a lifesize Trump cutout (a gift) and I've been meaning to get an old Soviet flag. So when I get them set up in the yard, I'll take a few photos. Then you can see how color-coordinated they are.

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Comrade Dietz, we are all socialist to a degree but your form of extreme socialism is an evil I don't want to see happen to this country. You just don't get how to much socialism destroys the incentive to produce goods and services. Do you know how bad the shortage of goods is in Venezuela?

If socialism really worked it would have worked in Venezuela, the latest country to go socialist. They had a sizable minority that lived below the poverty level. Hugo Chavez came to power with the promise of making everything more equitable. Well, he certainly succeeded. In order to try and remedy the economic inefficiencies of socialism Chavez had to make another power grab. The centralization of power made things even more inefficient. So they grabbed more power and it became more inefficient. Now 80% of Venezuelans live below the poverty level.

Your vision of "the needs of the many" is a utopian dream that will never happen in this world. It goes against human nature. There will always be a person smarter than another person, more ambitious than another person, more industrious than another person. But if you reduce it to "the needs of the many" then you are relegating the real producers in this world to the same fate as the dumbest among us.

The smart, industrious people of the world are not going to produce if all they get for it is to have to live no better than all the dumb do nothing lazy slobs of the world. To have to live no better than those that consume but never produce.

Thats the cold hard reality, Comrade Dietz. No one is going to work their ass off for the good of humanity if they have to live in poverty while doing it. Under your form of socialism the producers will go away. And those that only consume cannot live without the producers. So the whole country goes to shit.

What you call Trumpism is really anti-socialism. Trump is an asshole but we much prefer him to your utopian dream of socialism. That has to tell you something. You socialists are so repugnant that we have to elect an asshole like Trump to keep you at bay.

If the choice is socialism or Trump then I take Trump everytime.

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Great post, spot on.

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Originally Posted by Midwest Player

Damn right Trump is responsible for bringing the record covid cases to the U.P. of MI

President Trump made a visit to Upper Michigan on June 25th and two weeks later the covid is spreading like wildfire in Menominee County. The U.P. was averageing about 1 case per day at the end of June, but is now up to over 6 cases a day. Two weeks after Trumps visit Menominee County alone had 7 cases in one day all thanks to Trump.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...sin-visit.html

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1. First mistake: Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post...go_propter_hoc

2. Second mistake: MWP forgot about the Trump protestors as being part of the root cause for infections

https://fox11online.com/amp/news/pol...or-trump-visit

Notice how MWP creates another false narrative and conveniently omitted the Trump protestors. Therefore, in MWP’s eyes only Trump is responsible.

Somehow the BLM angle is missing: "We are out here supporting Joe Biden and Black Lives Matter. We just wanted a different voice out here," said Tom Faller chairman of the Marinette County Democratic Party.“

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Originally Posted by Midwest Player

Damn right Trump is responsible for bringing the record covid cases to the U.P. of MI

President Trump made a visit to Upper Michigan on June 25th and two weeks later the covid is spreading like wildfire in Menominee County. The U.P. was averageing about 1 case per day at the end of June, but is now up to over 6 cases a day. Two weeks after Trumps visit Menominee County alone had 7 cases in one day all thanks to Trump.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...sin-visit.html

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_vHDjG5Wk

Of course he isn't. In fact, Trump even put a Travel Ban to and from China as early as late January when the US was still laughing at China's then Endemic. But no wonder I got ZERO responses when I proposed in MARCH that there should have been a Travel Ban to and from China. I was TWO months behind the times, LOL(self depreciating laughter)

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Originally Posted by Ex-AP

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Originally Posted by Midwest Player

Damn right Trump is responsible for bringing the record covid cases to the U.P. of MI

President Trump made a visit to Upper Michigan on June 25th and two weeks later the covid is spreading like wildfire in Menominee County. The U.P. was averageing about 1 case per day at the end of June, but is now up to over 6 cases a day. Two weeks after Trumps visit Menominee County alone had 7 cases in one day all thanks to Trump.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...sin-visit.html

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1. First mistake: Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post...go_propter_hoc

2. Second mistake: MWP forgot about the Trump protestors as being part of the root cause for infections

https://fox11online.com/amp/news/pol...or-trump-visit

Notice how MWP creates another false narrative and conveniently omitted the Trump protestors. Therefore, in MWP’s eyes only Trump is responsible.

Somehow the BLM angle is missing: "We are out here supporting Joe Biden and Black Lives Matter. We just wanted a different voice out here," said Tom Faller chairman of the Marinette County Democratic Party.“

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In case you didn't notice, none of Trump's supporters are wearing masks, but all the Trump protesters are. Now tell me once again who is spreading the virus. By the way, there are almost no blacks in the U.P. so no need to protest BLM.
https://fox11online.com/news/politic...or-trump-visit

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Originally Posted by Midwest Player

In case you didn't notice, none of Trump's supporters are wearing masks, but all the Trump protesters are. Now tell me once again who is spreading the virus. By the way, there are almost no blacks in the U.P. so no need to protest BLM.
https://fox11online.com/news/politic...or-trump-visit

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Dude, get some glasses or get an eye exam soon.

https://fox11online.com/resources/me...?1593124100646
Caption: Supporters of President Donald Trump, foreground, gather in front of the Marinette County Democratic Party June 25, 2020, ahead of a visit from Trump to the city. (WLUK/Katrina Nickell)

Midwest Player is the village idiot.

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Originally Posted by Midwest Player

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Originally Posted by Ex-AP

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Originally Posted by Midwest Player

Damn right Trump is responsible for bringing the record covid cases to the U.P. of MI

President Trump made a visit to Upper Michigan on June 25th and two weeks later the covid is spreading like wildfire in Menominee County. The U.P. was averageing about 1 case per day at the end of June, but is now up to over 6 cases a day. Two weeks after Trumps visit Menominee County alone had 7 cases in one day all thanks to Trump.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...sin-visit.html

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1. First mistake: Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post...go_propter_hoc

2. Second mistake: MWP forgot about the Trump protestors as being part of the root cause for infections

https://fox11online.com/amp/news/pol...or-trump-visit

Notice how MWP creates another false narrative and conveniently omitted the Trump protestors. Therefore, in MWP’s eyes only Trump is responsible.

Somehow the BLM angle is missing: "We are out here supporting Joe Biden and Black Lives Matter. We just wanted a different voice out here," said Tom Faller chairman of the Marinette County Democratic Party.“

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In case you didn't notice, none of Trump's supporters are wearing masks, but all the Trump protesters are. Now tell me once again who is spreading the virus. By the way, there are almost no blacks in the U.P. so no need to protest BLM.
https://fox11online.com/news/politic...or-trump-visit

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No blacks in Portland, Oregon either. Didn't you know? Whitest big city in the country.