Progressive $6,200

Arci et.al.:

Had a meeting at the Grand Victoria Casino here in Illinois and noticed that the progressive on the $1.00 DDB (a 9-5 game) was over $6,200. They also have progressives for the bonus quads on that DDB game but they were only neglible.

Is this a good game with that progressive/ What is the expected value at this level?

It is only on $1.00 DDB although the machine has multple games and denoms.

Unfortunately, I can't sit and play it as I am on my way to Keenland. There are 3 tracks that a horseplayer needs to visit--Del Mar, Saratoga and Keenland. I don't know if I'll ever get to Saratoga but now I've got the other 2 anyway.

It would be a little over 99%. Add around .2% for every 400 credits.

Rincon used to have 9/5 on its DDB progressives and then about a year ago they were downgraded to 8/5 which is just horrible. I am surprised that a $1 progressive got up that high. But at Rincon the $5 9/5 DDB progressive (when it was 9/5) once didn't hit until it was just above $70,000 which is the equivalent of a $1 game at more than $12,000.

Thanks arci--not worth you making the drive down yet then.

This progressive has been there for about a year. First time I've seen it over $4,800. The bank doesn't get a lot of play and it goes up very slowly. It's on those new flat machines that are uncomfortable to play, and they are also at a high bar so the seating is bad as well. But if it goes much higher--comfort be damned.

It's more than a week later. Now it's at $6,850. Hard to believe it wasn't hit in that week. But look how slow it grows.

Aces with a kicker is at $2,900.

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Originally Posted by regnis

It's more than a week later. Now it's at $6,850. Hard to believe it wasn't hit in that week. But look how slow it grows.

Aces with a kicker is at $2,900.

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How do you know it wasn't hit?

only goes up small amounts per day--couldn't have been hit and then that high again in a week.

Now today it's over $7,000 and aces with kicker $2,900

How many machines and what percentage of the seats are filled?

It's a wierd set up. They put a bar with about 10 machines and above the bar is a live band. They are usually about half full. Today they were all full because they had a big random $500 bonus just for having your card in every 15 minutes or so.

But the machines are multi denomination and multi game, and the progressive is only on $1.00 DDB. So hard to say how much play is actually feeding the progressive. I don't know the rate at which it grows, but it is really slow and this is first time I've ever seen it over about $4,800.

It's also uncomfortable--those horrible new flat machines --no angle--and bar stools. And when the band plays, there's no way you can sit there as they blast you out.

Any AP's want to chase it come on down--dinner is on me.

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Originally Posted by regnis

only goes up small amounts per day--couldn't have been hit and then that high again in a week.

Now today it's over $7,000 and aces with kicker $2,900

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Looks like it is a little positive now. The RF adds 1.5% and the AWAK would add 9/20 of 2.5% or just under 1.2% to the 98% game.

That's pretty "up there" for a $1 progressive. Friday night at Rincon the progressive on the 25-cent DDB was above $1250. It was hit north of that, I was told, but I don't know.
The $5 DDB bonus at Rincon once got up to just over $70,000 when it was hit.

I will be unable to get back there before Thursday. I hope it is still growing by then. If so, I will have to take a shot.

I don't want to start the whole randomness thread all over again, but one of the main reasons that it grows so slowly on that bank is that that bank is notoriously tight. No one ever wins on those games and all the regular players avoid them. So in addition to the uncomfortable setting, those games just never hit.

Please don't respond regarding rhe randomness etc.----none of us has any actual proof either way as to whether machines are truly random or not so please let's not go there again. I'm just saying that all the regulars there have had the same experience on those games--they never pay.

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Originally Posted by regnis

that bank is notoriously tight. No one ever wins on those games and all the regular players avoid them

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9-5 is pretty good for a progressive. At Rincon in San Diego all of the progressive DDB games are at 8/5 and they always get a lot of players at the $1 and 25-cent levels. The $5 games get some action but there are only 6 machines on that progressive.

Do you suspect the games are rigged when you say "they never pay"? There is no reason for a casino to do that, especially since the players fund the progressive jackpot and not the casino.

I really don't know what to say when asked that question anymore. But there are certain games that simply never pay and are avoided by the pros or regulars because they never hit. That bank is among them.

We all have played enough to know if a game is too cold for too long and therefore become suspicious. We also know random means random. But there are games there that we haven't seen hit in years.

Add to that the fact that Illinois taxes the casinos at 50-70% of GROSS, and you do have to wonder. That tax rate makes it understandable why the comps are minimal here and why very little in new games and modernization occurs. Also, the casinos have to give a percentage of their profits to the race tracks under an ill conceived law that went to the supreme court but was upheld. Illinois can screw up almost anything and has clearly done so with this industry. So are the games random-----we can only hope.

Stopped in late last night after hockey game. All the progressives were back down to just over regular pays. I asked the bartender if they had been hit--he said he didn't know. I called over the slot tech and asked him--he also didn't know. He called up the slot supervisor--he or she didn't know. Hmmmmm. Always concerned that they just re-set them all without paying out and nobody can confirm that they were hit or not.

Why, they'd NEVER do anything of the sort regnis. Everyone who plays vp KNOWS that the casino would NEVER risk getting caught doing anything other than "by the book"....or else they'd have their doors shut permanently by the dept. that they pay millions in taxes to :)

You are right Rob. And they go to church on Sunday and they are all virgins.