What is your advantage play? All the details.

I'm going to do something the so-called "advantage players" won't do. I am going to tell you my advantage play and I will spare no details. My advantage play is an absolute money maker. There is no risk. When I make this play I will put money in my pocket.

Unlike knowing that a dealer is flashing cards, but you don't know if the dealer will flash when you play, or if the flash will help you, my advantage play is a certainty.

Unlike getting a loss rebate in free play on the next trip or the next two trips to a casino where you might or might not win and you might or might not make up the money you lost initially, my advantage play is certain to win.

And, as you might expect, the same way card flashing and loss rebate offers don't come around every day, my advantage play doesn't come around every day either. But unlike the other advantage plays -- including card counting at blackjack -- my advantage play cannot lose.

Ready?

In craps, I lay the point needed to hit all six points on the fire bet. I lay the point for an amount less than what the fire bet would pay but would still give me a substantial win. Also in craps, if a box number is needed to hit either the Small, or the Tall or the ALL I will lay that number to assure myself a large payout, but I will not lay an amount for more than what the "right way" win will pay.

There ya go: real advantage plays that are rock-solid, 100%, no doubt, no risk winners.

Your advantage is negated by all of the other bets and then some until you reach that point. So you'll still be a net loser. Same would be said in video poker if you could not count all of the other hands and only count the times your dealt, say, 4 to a royal.

As for the stuff we do, we DON'T play unless we find what we're looking for.

Here's one you craps players can do. Find a don't player who consistently picks up his bet when a point gets established and buy it from him.

Wow- the only one I know in VP is making sure you push the hold buttons when dealt a winning hand.

Alan - I have advocated making that lay bet on the fire many times. Just not willing to "let it ride" when I can get a guarantee, albeit a smaller one.

My best advantage play is, after shopping at Costco, getting a delicious dog (or polish) with soda for $1.50.

Be old, play a 99% vp game at Boyd on Wednesdays after swiping for a point multiplier. Earn 50 points for comp breakfast or lunch; 100 points total ($100 coin-in) for a comp dinner. You're in the drawing at 4:30 for $2500, and you get a movie ticket for four bucks. You keep the points, and they are multiplied (usually 5X) to put towards free play or more comp food (at a 40% discount).

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Originally Posted by dannyj

My best advantage play is, after shopping at Costco, getting a delicious dog (or polish) with soda for $1.50.

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Got one better: just stop in at Costco for the food and not even shop. I've done that.

Yes, laying the number on the fire and bonus craps bets is a true advantage play. 100% profit guaranteed when you get there.

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Alan - I have advocated making that lay bet on the fire many times. Just not willing to "let it ride" when I can get a guarantee, albeit a smaller one.

My best advantage play is, after shopping at Costco, getting a delicious dog (or polish) with soda for $1.50.

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unlimited soda!!

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

...when you get there.

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This is the key. Problem is, your at a larger disadvantage up until this point. If I could wait until then to bet, I wouldn't lay at all and just bet the high pay off bets.

jbjb what about your disadvantage playing blackjack and waiting for the count to go your way? What about waiting for your flashing dealer to start flashing cards that help you?

You just don't walk into a casino and sit down with an advantage. If you say you do at your table games you're a liar.

If you walk up to a "must hit by" slot machine you are not likely to hit the jackpot on the first play -- or ever.

If you're sitting at a +EV video poker game you are not assured of hitting winners immediately.

How about some reality checks with your claims and the claims of every other AP?

You only talk about the wonders of what you do. We know there is a flip side.

Yes, the flip side of winning is undoubtedly spending. And we'd all hate to contribute to rampant consumerism. It's why ISIS hates us.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

jbjb what about your disadvantage playing blackjack and waiting for the count to go your way? What about waiting for your flashing dealer to start flashing cards that help you?

You just don't walk into a casino and sit down with an advantage. If you say you do at your table games you're a liar.

If you walk up to a "must hit by" slot machine you are not likely to hit the jackpot on the first play -- or ever.

If you're sitting at a +EV video poker game you are not assured of hitting winners immediately.

How about some reality checks with your claims and the claims of every other AP?

You only talk about the wonders of what you do. We know there is a flip side.

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Correct, card counters that start off a shoe are at a disadvantage. Wongers ALWAYS play with an advantage. Flashers we play, ALWAYS flash, so there is no waiting. Must hit bys are only played when the progressive is near the max. Wise up!!

Naturally, because you're addicted to Caesars Palace, you have no clue what we find throughout the rest of the U.S.A., which is good. We don't want the competition.

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Here's one you craps players can do. Find a don't player who consistently picks up his bet when a point gets established and buy it from him.

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jbjb - This point is made in just about every book on craps I own. Problem is, I have never seen a don't player pick up his bet after the point is established let alone one who consistently does that. My experience has been that most don't players are very savvy, and while i haven't played the don't in years (it's not my thing and I'm terrified of being on the wrong side of a roll) I cannot imagine someone giving up they're edge against the house because they are scared of the 6 or 8. I think this one is more urban myth than reality, but i will be on the lookout for it, I am a hedge bettor after all.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Be old, play a 99% vp game at Boyd on Wednesdays after swiping for a point multiplier. Earn 50 points for comp breakfast or lunch; 100 points total ($100 coin-in) for a comp dinner. You're in the drawing at 4:30 for $2500, and you get a movie ticket for four bucks. You keep the points, and they are multiplied (usually 5X) to put towards free play or more comp food (at a 40% discount).

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Are you really Brad--Jean Scott's cheapskate live-in?

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Here's one you craps players can do. Find a don't player who consistently picks up his bet when a point gets established and buy it from him.

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jbjb - This point is made in just about every book on craps I own. Problem is, I have never seen a don't player pick up his bet after the point is established let alone one who consistently does that. My experience has been that most don't players are very savvy, and while i haven't played the don't in years (it's not my thing and I'm terrified of being on the wrong side of a roll) I cannot imagine someone giving up they're edge against the house because they are scared of the 6 or 8. I think this one is more urban myth than reality, but i will be on the lookout for it, I am a hedge bettor after all.

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We have a degenerate friend who picks it up on the 6/8 as well. First I ever saw of it.

Certainly finding these fools is like finding a needle in a haystack.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

jbjb what about your disadvantage playing blackjack and waiting for the count to go your way? What about waiting for your flashing dealer to start flashing cards that help you?

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The NET advantage for a card counter is positive. He bets little or no money in the disadvantage rounds and bets more money in advantage rounds, such that overall, he has a positive expectation. IF you could increase your fire-bet after the shooter has made 2 or 3 points (or maybe even only 1 point is needed before you gain an advantage?), then you'd have an advantage.

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You just don't walk into a casino and sit down with an advantage. If you say you do at your table games you're a liar.

If you walk up to a "must hit by" slot machine you are not likely to hit the jackpot on the first play -- or ever.

If you're sitting at a +EV video poker game you are not assured of hitting winners immediately.

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Sometimes you have an advantage when you sit down, sometimes you have to wait for it.

I don't regularly play must-hit-by slots, but when I do, I'm not looking to hit it on the first spin. If you have enough money on you, like you should, you will hit it.

I also don't particularly care if I start hitting winners immediately or not. I mean yes, I'd rather hit a RF or four of a kinds as soon as I sit down and hit them non-stop, but not hitting them "immediately" doesn't negate an advantage.

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How about some reality checks with your claims and the claims of every other AP?

You only talk about the wonders of what you do. We know there is a flip side.

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Which claims are you talking about?



dannyj, jbjb -- There are probably a lot more players who take no action on the 6/8 than you think. I have dealt to many of them. You probably don't notice them because you're likely just focusing on your own bets or something else altogether, rather than other people's bets.

I don't notice them because I don't hang out around a craps table. Only suckers do (unless your last name is Grosjean).

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Originally Posted by redietz

Be old, play a 99% vp game at Boyd on Wednesdays after swiping for a point multiplier. Earn 50 points for comp breakfast or lunch; 100 points total ($100 coin-in) for a comp dinner. You're in the drawing at 4:30 for $2500, and you get a movie ticket for four bucks. You keep the points, and they are multiplied (usually 5X) to put towards free play or more comp food (at a 40% discount).

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Are you really Brad--Jean Scott's cheapskate live-in?

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Rob, you're nothing if not predictable. First of all, if you turn to your 2017 American Casino Guide, page 243, you'll see almost verbatim what I listed. If it's good enough for the ACG, frankly, it's good enough for anybody...except you, of course.

Second, I had some errands to run. I had typed out the sports equivalent of an AP play. It has risk, but it's a solid opportunity. Now here's the kicker -- I was going to send it along to another person on this board and was considering sending it to you (believe it or not) because it involves something near and dear to your heart. To do it to maximum advantage, you probably need a layout of between 10K and 20K. I have college futures that have more priority, so odds are I won't be doing it, as the money could be tied up awhile. And it's possible it's gone by now, as it's based on my trip last week, but it is an opportunity.

However, seeing as how you had another horse's ass comment , which you may as well send to ACG while you're at it, I'll send it along to the other party. Damn, I almost did something nice for Rob Singer. Thankfully, you stayed true to form. I'd probably go to hell had I done it.

I've seen don't players pick up their DP and DC bets on the 6, 8. Frankly, it's very common.

While I am not a blackjack player I know that once you start increasing your bet too much you are risking getting bounced. Years ago I played with one of the video editors at KCAL at State Line Primm. He was asked to leave when he increased his bets. They knew right away he was counting. Dealers aren't stupid. They call out the bigger bets immediately.

No one gets away with it anymore. Card counting is dead.

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RS,
You may be right. But as you know, in general, probably 9 out of 10 players are "do or right" bettors. Last night I played for about 60-90 minutes on a consistently full table and I noticed one don't player on the other side. Practically speaking, even if I had noticed this player pick up his don't bet I'm not going to run around the table to offer to buy his bet. It just doesn't seem like there are many opportunities (I haven't seen one yet) to do this but I will keep my eyes open to it.