Masks are back in Vegas

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-...nation-status/

What a joke. I know we have people on both sides but the CDC can’t make their mind up. Definitely keeps those on the fence of getting a shot (which I know is a low number) from seeing any incentive.

Meanwhile the vaccine seems to have done it job in keeping those who have gotten it from getting seriously infected. So why punish them? I think most of us agree it has nothing to do with safety and more about control.

Meanwhile visitation, travel and tourism will drop and the government will be pitching more handouts shortly. While people wear worthless cloth masks that do nothing.

Oh yea, fuck Sissylak!

Good for the CDC.

Since millions of anti-vaxers are foregoing the free vaccination this mess can be laid squarely and solely at their feet.

Mask up, people: I'm tired of this shit.

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Good for the CDC.

Since millions of anti-vaxers are foregoing the free vaccination this mess can be laid squarely and solely at their feet.

Mask up, people: I'm tired of this shit.

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So you are saying masks work? I think this is where we disagree. The garbage most wear as a mask “may” make a little difference, but if you can still smell a fart through it, I question if it stops whatever this is. And what are you “tired” of? And who are these vaccinated people testing positive? Why are they even getting tested if not sick? Shouldn’t the positive rate be around 80-90%? Someone is making HUGE money off all these “free” tests.

Shouldn’t you be happy unvaccinated people are the only ones getting this and ending up in the hospital? You believe the homeless created their own situations, why is this different? Damn, I sound like someone else asking you all these questions.

Why punish those who took the vaccine? And yes, I see requiring a mask a punishment. Thankfully we won’t deal with this in Florida. I see this as great for Florida tourism like it was this Spring when hotel rates and occupancy beat 2019 numbers.

But I do feel bad for service workers in Vegas who will be hurt by any decrease in tourism. And the non tipping thugs from SoCal that filled the city in mid to late 2020 don’t pay the bills.

But it was and never is about science when I can sit at a restaurant or bar without a mask and eat & drink for hours.

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Good for the CDC.

Since millions of anti-vaxers are foregoing the free vaccination this mess can be laid squarely and solely at their feet.

Mask up, people: I'm tired of this shit.

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So you are saying masks work? I think this is where we disagree. The garbage most wear as a mask “may” make a little difference, but if you can still smell a fart through it, I question if it stops whatever this is. And what are you “tired” of? And who are these vaccinated people testing positive? Why are they even getting tested if not sick? Shouldn’t the positive rate be around 80-90%? Someone is making HUGE money off all these “free” tests.

Shouldn’t you be happy unvaccinated people are the only ones getting this and ending up in the hospital? You believe the homeless created their own situations, why is this different? Damn, I sound like someone else asking you all these questions.

Why punish those who took the vaccine? And yes, I see requiring a mask a punishment. Thankfully we won’t deal with this in Florida. I see this as great for Florida tourism like it was this Spring when hotel rates and occupancy beat 2019 numbers.

But I do feel bad for service workers in Vegas who will be hurt by any decrease in tourism. And the non tipping thugs from SoCal that filled the city in mid to late 2020 don’t pay the bills.

But it was and never is about science when I can sit at a restaurant or bar without a mask and eat & drink for hours.

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Second paragraph from the bottom, apparently their employers don’t help them pay the bills either then am I right?

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Good for the CDC.

Since millions of anti-vaxers are foregoing the free vaccination this mess can be laid squarely and solely at their feet.

Mask up, people: I'm tired of this shit.

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So you are saying masks work? I think this is where we disagree. The garbage most wear as a mask “may” make a little difference, but if you can still smell a fart through it, I question if it stops whatever this is. And what are you “tired” of? And who are these vaccinated people testing positive? Why are they even getting tested if not sick? Shouldn’t the positive rate be around 80-90%? Someone is making HUGE money off all these “free” tests.

Shouldn’t you be happy unvaccinated people are the only ones getting this and ending up in the hospital? You believe the homeless created their own situations, why is this different? Damn, I sound like someone else asking you all these questions.

Why punish those who took the vaccine? And yes, I see requiring a mask a punishment. Thankfully we won’t deal with this in Florida. I see this as great for Florida tourism like it was this Spring when hotel rates and occupancy beat 2019 numbers.

But I do feel bad for service workers in Vegas who will be hurt by any decrease in tourism. And the non tipping thugs from SoCal that filled the city in mid to late 2020 don’t pay the bills.

But it was and never is about science when I can sit at a restaurant or bar without a mask and eat & drink for hours.

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Second paragraph from the bottom, apparently their employers don’t help them pay the bills either then am I right?

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Not sure exactly what you asking, but I was talking along the lines of tipped workers making less with smaller crowds. But obviously there were a lot of employees never brought back after the shutdowns. Look at the situation with housekeeping, casinos and hotels used it to reduce expenses and jobs. Now you could argue they couldn’t fill all the positions in the unlikely event they still wanted to offer daily housekeeping.

Also look at the reduction in table games across Vegas. They are being replaced with more slots and electronic table games. It’s all about reducing staff and in some ways they are related to less customers. Or being used as excuses, you can debate that, but anything (like mask mandates) that hurts visitation will end up hurting workers before corporate profits.

Didn't you leave the forums in shame?

Masks are like comparing a sieve and a hula hoop and a bucket. All kind of look the same from above and all have different levels of leaks. You're a God damned genius Gump.

Boz:

Masks are helpful; as I understand it, if a mask wearer has the virus then wearing a mask will minimize his ability to transmit it to others.

I'm tired of the covid restrictions, i.e. mask, social distance, closures.

The vaccination will not always protect you: mine has a 95 percent effectiveness rate, but if I contract covid I will not likely get too ill, require hospitalization, or die, unlike those who are unvaccinated .

I get no schadenfreude from the plight of unvaccinated people contracting covid; I question their intelligence, however.

Yes, most homeless need not be homeless, most create this situation: hello, lousy life choices, drugs, etc.; yes, most unvaccinated people who contract the virus created their own situation as they could have avoided it by getting vaccinated.

I don't consider wearing a mask as punishment.

Florida: hello, massive surge.

As for eating at a restaurant, so long as nobody was near you, and the rules required adequate separation, I see no likelihood of infection.

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Didn't you leave the forums in shame?

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Doesn’t deserve a reply since you are a sock but not sure where you read that. I don’t post as much because I’m sick of fighting with some of the same clowns over and over. It never changes. And I did piss some people off with my letters to casinos about MDawg. So I don’t post as much but do keep up with some of the drama. Same people, same stuff.

Sorry, no shame here. Still living my life the way I want to. So who exactly did you also post under? And I’m not going to ask why you seem like a retarded beaner. See I still can play if I want.

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Boz:

Masks are helpful; as I understand it, if a mask wearer has the virus then wearing a mask will minimize his ability to transmit it to others.

I'm tired of the covid restrictions, i.e. mask, social distance, closures.

The vaccination will not always protect you: mine has a 95 percent effectiveness rate, but if I contract covid I will not likely get too ill, require hospitalization, or die, unlike those who are unvaccinated .

Unlike some I get no schadenfreude from the plight of unvaccinated people contracting covid; I question their intelligence, however.

Yes, most homeless need not be homeless, most create this situation: hello, lousy life choices, drugs, etc.; yes, most unvaccinated people who contract the virus created their own situation as they could have avoided it by getting vaccinated.

I don't consider wearing a mask as punishment.

Florida: hello, massive surge.

As for eating at a restaurant, so long as nobody was near you, and the rules required adequate separation, I see no likelihood of infection.

Man up and get the damned shot(s).

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Fair and we agree on some of it. As someone who never let the stuff affect my life, I really don’t give fuck about others choices. Get the shot, don’t get the shot, I don’t care. The deaths were and still will be mostly elderly and others who were unhealthy. Do they deserve to die? Probably not but shit happens. And now very few are dying (from Vid) if they got the shot. So now it’s personal choice. Which I’m good with.

But what I’m not good with is punishing everyone with mask mandates and politics deciding who gets punished. Which I consider punishment and you don’t. And we both know liberal states will require them and conservative states won’t. And it will continue to divide the country, which makes plenty happy.

Good conversation, have a good night V!

I am absolutely fine with wearing masks at the blackjack table and it has nothing to do with health or politics. :) I received zero backoffs during the time I played in 2020, and early 2021 when I was wearing a mask, despite playing at even higher limits than usual.

So, when masks became optional, I was hoping to continue to wear one when I played, but it only made sense as long as most other players were wearing one (don't want to stand out) and unfortunately within a week, almost no one was, so I stopped.

Fuck masks. I'm not wearing that shit again. Vegas can go fuck itself.

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Good for the CDC.

Since millions of anti-vaxers are foregoing the free vaccination this mess can be laid squarely and solely at their feet.

Mask up, people: I'm tired of this shit.

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90% of Iceland is vaxxed and they are in lockdown 2.

Try again.

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90% of Iceland is vaxxed and they are in lockdown 2. Try again.

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90%?

More like 64.8%, which is less than the required number to be safe.

source: https://graphics.reuters.com/world-c...ories/iceland/

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So you are saying masks work? I think this is where we disagree. The garbage most wear as a mask “may” make a little difference, but if you can still smell a fart through it, I question if it stops whatever this is. And what are you “tired” of?

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Yes, masks work to some degree. Masks will slow the velocity of the aerosols as you exhale them so they should fall to the ground sooner. In addition, they likely absorb some of the larger droplets that would have a lot of viruses. So while the shitty cloth masks aren't as good as some *95 mask, they have to work to some degree. Thats just basic common sense.

Part of the problem here is how much masks vary. They really can't be "tested" in the same capacity.

I agree wearing masks is a nuisance.

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Well duh. https://www.vip-grinders.com/poker-p...-testing-scam/

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Shouldn’t you be happy unvaccinated people are the only ones getting this and ending up in the hospital? You believe the homeless created their own situations, why is this different? Damn, I sound like someone else asking you all these questions.

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Well except it spreads. You don't want your neighbor's house burning down even if the neighbor set it themselves.

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Why punish those who took the vaccine? And yes, I see requiring a mask a punishment. Thankfully we won’t deal with this in Florida. I see this as great for Florida tourism like it was this Spring when hotel rates and occupancy beat 2019 numbers.

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Life has made people so soft. Sickening. Yes, it isn't a positive thing to wear a mask. Does that mean it is punishment? lol. This shit was bound to happen sooner or later. Life sucks but we've had it soooo fucking easy. I sometimes wear a mask when I am in casinos and sometimes don't. They're annoying. If I do wear one, it is a decent KN95 or whatever they are. I suspect that it would filter some weird situation where some unvaccinated hillbilly talks in my face and prevent me me from inhaling a large viral load which I suspect is what happens in a lot of breakthrough cases.

The delta variant is pretty much a new virus. It is not like the previous one. It really really sucks. The less people are vaccinated the more it'll be passed around and the more mutations it will acquire. Who knows where this whole thing winds up.

Not only is this new virus more transmissible it may also replicate at a higher rate in one's body. That has been suggested by some studies. We'll see.

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But I do feel bad for service workers in Vegas who will be hurt by any decrease in tourism. And the non tipping thugs from SoCal that filled the city in mid to late 2020 don’t pay the bills.

But it was and never is about science when I can sit at a restaurant or bar without a mask and eat & drink for hours.

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I hear you 100% here. The best thing here would have been masks on/off at a quicker rate but you will forever be pissing off someone. Politicians are slow etc. I figured masks would come back until we get a really high rate of vaccination. This whole government out to get you shit I hear drives me nuts. Such dumb !@#$!@# shit. Like as if the government is some big thinking entity and lets disregard our brightest scientists etc.

All you can do is do your own speculative and ballpark math. If you're reasonably healthy, and unvaccinated, the Delta variant probably has a 3% to 4% chance of killing you if you get it. How bad you get it depends on how bad a viral load you get and how your immune system holds up. If you check the vaccine data base, which is almost undoubtedly underreported, you're looking at 10,000 temporally related (can't say causal) deaths and close to two million with reported side effects. Side effects probably not being reported unless severe or borderline severe.

Again, U.S. data almost worthless because the vaccine effect data base is more or less voluntary by doctors and patients. Self-reporting.

If you're healthy and vaccinated, chances of the vaccine killing you are way less than 1%. Of course, there are multiple side effects considered "rare" -- there's a subjective word again -- that actually affect 2% to 5% of the population. So if you're looking at clotting issues, or auto-immune vulnerabilities, or an existing heart issue, now you have a bunch of 2% to 5% "rare" side effects that can do you some serious damage.

I happen to have experienced a so-called "rare" side effect from an antibiotic I took about 10 years ago. I took a fluoroquinalone type drug, and after two doses I was off in the wild blue yonder. I was told I had "something consistent with a heart attack." Well, it turned out that the so-called rare side effects affect a good chunk, like 3% or more, of the population. To me, that is not terribly rare. The further I got from the taking of the drug, the less my heart looked like a heart attack. Had to wear a cardio vest for a week and take a stress test and all that. If I failed, I was in for surgery. The drug could have killed me, had I taken another few doses. So when these myocardia issues crop up for vaccines, I pay attention. And I take the word "rare" with a grain of salt.

Getting Covid while being vaccinated does something, but probably not much, to prevent long Covid. So that's a separate issue. If you contract Covid despite your vaccination, which you won't know most of the time because testing for asymptomatic is so low, you can still get long Covid. Severity of your Covid doesn't have much correlation with the severity of long Covid.

And then you run into the issue that vaccinating during a pandemic, with all vaccines targeting the same elements of the virus, will supercharge evasive evolution of the virus unless there is a corresponding shutdown so the virus cannot spread.

What the UK and the US are doing right now amounts to a herd immunity strategy, whether public health officials acknowledge it or not. It's similar to what the Trump administration was doing, but with a progressive veneer.

Always wear a mask when you steal from the Casino.
Use different colored masks, shirts, coats and hats.
Switch glasses and sunglasses sometimes too.
If you're serious, you will shave your head on occasion.

Reuters article from yesterday says 22% of UK hospitalized by Delta variant are fully vaccinated. Think last I read in US was 3%, up from 1% a few weeks earlier.

I’m wondering how that large of a discrepancy (22 vs 3%) is even possible, 2 of the 4 approved vaccines there are the ones we are using in the US.

Edit: I get it, it’s because of a drastically higher percentage of citizens that have been vaccinated than US, same sort of deal that elsewhere.

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And then you run into the issue that vaccinating during a pandemic, with all vaccines targeting the same elements of the virus, will supercharge evasive evolution of the virus unless there is a corresponding shutdown so the virus cannot spread.

What the UK and the US are doing right now amounts to a herd immunity strategy, whether public health officials acknowledge it or not. It's similar to what the Trump administration was doing, but with a progressive veneer. And then you run into the issue that vaccinating during a pandemic, with all vaccines targeting the same elements of the virus, will supercharge evasive evolution of the virus unless there is a corresponding shutdown so the virus cannot spread.

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redietz, you are completely ignoring what is taking place at our southern borders and all the harm that is causing by the spread of the virus. This so called progressive veneer that is taking place is a disgrace to the entire country. Give me Trump anyday.

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All you can do is do your own speculative and ballpark math. If you're reasonably healthy, and unvaccinated, the Delta variant probably has a 3% to 4% chance of killing you if you get it.

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Say what?? I’ve not seen any reports that Delta has a death rate that many multiples of the other strands. Cite please?

It's amusing watching liberals make fools of themselves as they anxiously absorb all the bs coming out of mouths like hypocrite Fauci's. You people are afraid of your own shadows. We just came back to Az. from 2 months up in the Tahoe area. Most of our time was spent at Peppermill, Atlantis rooms and Tahoe/Carson Valley hotels, restaurants, theaters etc. because of the oppressive amounts of smoke from "burn baby burn" California wildfires. We wore no masks and have zero health issues. In a few days we're headed to S. Dakota for the rest of the hot season here. And we KNOW our Governor will never copy the libtard states.

The reason you see such foolish posts by redietz, V and others is simply because these wimps are afraid of their own shadows, and they've been indoctrinated into that status because they worship at the altar of Gavin Newsome.

Take a look at California, New York, Oregon etc. Excuse me while I puke.

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All you can do is do your own speculative and ballpark math. If you're reasonably healthy, and unvaccinated, the Delta variant probably has a 3% to 4% chance of killing you if you get it.

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Say what?? I’ve not seen any reports that Delta has a death rate that many multiples of the other strands. Cite please?

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Honestly, I botched that. That is an Over 50 estimate. I'm Over 50, so I tend to orient that way. I should be proof reading my blather better.

I said "probably" because I'm just speculative ballparking, and I'm ballparking high. The reason I do this is that I think we're being fed numbers for what happens to the unvaccinated to motivate people to get vaccinated, so rather than argue against those numbers, I'm hyping them and then continuing various arguments to see if the counter arguments hold up. I hope that makes sense. I give the position counter to mine the strongest numbers, and then try to argue against it anyway.

You're not going to get determinative numbers. For example, everything from a lower to a vastly higher CFR (case fatality rate) has been published. We won't know what the CFR is or was until many months from now. The article I'll mention quoted a 1.9% in a specific country for over 50 for the Delta among unvaccinated. I bumped that up because it is probably an underestimate. Although the case can be made that somewhere like India it may be an overestimate due to fungal infections (not tested for) that occur after the Covid itself, so everything gets lumped as Covid. But the counter to that is that the fungal infections would not have occurred without weakened immune systems due to Covid, so the numbers should stand.

Anyway, the CFR for Delta is going to appear much lower overall because significant portions of the population have been vaccinated. My apologies for using an Over 50 estimate. I am self-centric. Need to proof read against that.

I found this debunking article interesting:

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...y-dan-bongino/

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It's amusing watching liberals make fools of themselves as they anxiously absorb all the bs coming out of mouths like hypocrite Fauci's. You people are afraid of your own shadows. We just came back to Az. from 2 months up in the Tahoe area. Most of our time was spent at Peppermill, Atlantis rooms and Tahoe/Carson Valley hotels, restaurants, theaters etc. because of the oppressive amounts of smoke from "burn baby burn" California wildfires. We wore no masks and have zero health issues. In a few days we're headed to S. Dakota for the rest of the hot season here. And we KNOW our Governor will never copy the libtard states.

The reason you see such foolish posts by redietz, V and others is simply because these wimps are afraid of their own shadows, and they've been indoctrinated into that status because they worship at the altar of Gavin Newsome.

Take a look at California, New York, Oregon etc. Excuse me while I puke.

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Rob, you might want to actually read what I write on occasion, rather than stereotyping what you think my position is based on some previous position. As per usual, you are wrong. At some point, you'll get something right, however. You're due. Especially after you saying you "spoke with Anthony Curtis."

I think a great deal of what we're being fed right now is selective and spin. I'll call it what it is -- propaganda. I'm not anti-vax at all. I'm anti-propaganda. Sometimes that puts me anti-Trump. Sometimes that puts me anti-progressive.

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It's amusing watching liberals make fools of themselves as they anxiously absorb all the bs coming out of mouths like hypocrite Fauci's. You people are afraid of your own shadows. We just came back to Az. from 2 months up in the Tahoe area. Most of our time was spent at Peppermill, Atlantis rooms and Tahoe/Carson Valley hotels, restaurants, theaters etc. because of the oppressive amounts of smoke from "burn baby burn" California wildfires. We wore no masks and have zero health issues. In a few days we're headed to S. Dakota for the rest of the hot season here. And we KNOW our Governor will never copy the libtard states.

The reason you see such foolish posts by redietz, V and others is simply because these wimps are afraid of their own shadows, and they've been indoctrinated into that status because they worship at the altar of Gavin Newsome.

Take a look at California, New York, Oregon etc. Excuse me while I puke.

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Rob, you might want to actually read what I write on occasion, rather than stereotyping what you think my position is based on some previous position. As per usual, you are wrong. At some point, you'll get something right, however. You're due. Especially after you saying you "spoke with Anthony Curtis."

I think a great deal of what we're being fed right now is selective and spin. I'll call it what it is -- propaganda. I'm not anti-vax at all. I'm anti-propaganda. Sometimes that puts me anti-Trump. Sometimes that puts me anti-progressive.

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Singer typing brings up pictures of some infantile lunatic. Really not worth reading...

My understanding is delta variant is considerably more transmissable. This may be due to a higher viral load created in the body. They don't really know yet but what I've heard from other countries is that this is going to be considerably worse for the unvaccinated.

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No reasonable person hasn't said that many people are asymptomatic. To say "oh look I haven't been sick" is just an imbecilic view of things. All it means is you have been lucky.

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It's amusing watching liberals make fools of themselves as they anxiously absorb all the bs coming out of mouths like hypocrite Fauci's. You people are afraid of your own shadows. We just came back to Az. from 2 months up in the Tahoe area. Most of our time was spent at Peppermill, Atlantis rooms and Tahoe/Carson Valley hotels, restaurants, theaters etc. because of the oppressive amounts of smoke from "burn baby burn" California wildfires. We wore no masks and have zero health issues. In a few days we're headed to S. Dakota for the rest of the hot season here. And we KNOW our Governor will never copy the libtard states.

The reason you see such foolish posts by redietz, V and others is simply because these wimps are afraid of their own shadows, and they've been indoctrinated into that status because they worship at the altar of Gavin Newsome.

Take a look at California, New York, Oregon etc. Excuse me while I puke.

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Rob, you might want to actually read what I write on occasion, rather than stereotyping what you think my position is based on some previous position. As per usual, you are wrong. At some point, you'll get something right, however. You're due. Especially after you saying you "spoke with Anthony Curtis."

I think a great deal of what we're being fed right now is selective and spin. I'll call it what it is -- propaganda. I'm not anti-vax at all. I'm anti-propaganda. Sometimes that puts me anti-Trump. Sometimes that puts me anti-progressive.

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Singer typing brings up pictures of some infantile lunatic. Really not worth reading...

My understanding is delta variant is considerably more transmissable. This may be due to a higher viral load created in the body. They don't really know yet but what I've heard from other countries is that this is going to be considerably worse for the unvaccinated.

Regarding Singer -
No reasonable person hasn't said that many people are asymptomatic. To say "oh look I haven't been sick" is just an imbecilic view of things. All it means is you have been lucky.

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Honestly I’m lost. The Washington Nationals had 12 positives this week with 11 being vaccinated. And according to reports most had no symptoms. They only found out because they are tested often.

How does this translation to the general public? As someone vaccinated but takes ZERO precautions and won’t wear a mask unless flying, do I have it? Am I transferring it? Should I even care? I certainly won’t change how I live my life.

And this may be way out there, but is this like the Walking Dead where we are all carrying the virus?

I’m thinking the more we think we know, the less we actually know.

Nothing will change until all this nonsensical testing stops. 3 or 4 months ago I got a first shot and all it did was make me sickly for 16 hours. So I passed on the 2nd and I've never felt better.

Who cares who tests positive anyway. The odds are HUGE that if you don't have serious underlying conditions then you won't even know you had it IF you were to get it. You like shots? You'd be far better of getting a pneumonia shot. That's a disease that actually is dangerous.

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Nothing will change until all this nonsensical testing stops. 3 or 4 months ago I got a first shot and all it did was make me sickly for 16 hours. So I passed on the 2nd and I've never felt better.

Who cares who tests positive anyway. The odds are HUGE that if you don't have serious underlying conditions then you won't even know you had it IF you were to get it. You like shots? You'd be far better of getting a pneumonia shot. That's a disease that actually is dangerous.

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No disagreement. Wife and I were both sicker than we have been in years after 1st Moderna shot. Still got 2nd, which made her sick but I had no reaction.

Never got a flu shot in my life. Like you, I have zero regrets if I die today and know it’s coming for all of us. Living a life you enjoy while you can makes it easy. Years mean shit compared what you did during those you have. But that’s way too heavy for some.

I think we are on the same page, even if you don’t admit it, “What’s good living this life you have been given if all you do is stand in one place?”

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Rob, you might want to actually read what I write on occasion, rather than stereotyping what you think my position is based on some previous position. As per usual, you are wrong. At some point, you'll get something right, however. You're due. Especially after you saying you "spoke with Anthony Curtis."

I think a great deal of what we're being fed right now is selective and spin. I'll call it what it is -- propaganda. I'm not anti-vax at all. I'm anti-propaganda. Sometimes that puts me anti-Trump. Sometimes that puts me anti-progressive.

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Singer typing brings up pictures of some infantile lunatic. Really not worth reading...

My understanding is delta variant is considerably more transmissable. This may be due to a higher viral load created in the body. They don't really know yet but what I've heard from other countries is that this is going to be considerably worse for the unvaccinated.

Regarding Singer -
No reasonable person hasn't said that many people are asymptomatic. To say "oh look I haven't been sick" is just an imbecilic view of things. All it means is you have been lucky.

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Honestly I’m lost. The Washington Nationals had 12 positives this week with 11 being vaccinated. And according to reports most had no symptoms. They only found out because they are tested often.

How does this translation to the general public? As someone vaccinated but takes ZERO precautions and won’t wear a mask unless flying, do I have it? Am I transferring it? Should I even care? I certainly won’t change how I live my life.

And this may be way out there, but is this like the Walking Dead where we are all carrying the virus?

I’m thinking the more we think we know, the less we actually know.

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I don't know either. I kinda thinking maybe I have had it. There is always reinfection. It may be that many of us have had it, or we are reinfected a lot but our body's fight them off. It would be interesting if they could test how transmissable these people are but we only know when people have more resources to be randomly tested. We'll know more in a few months after this thing has been around in the US and elsewhere.

For the most part I think healthy young people just fight this thing off, but that isn't the case for everyone. And then the chances of long covid. Ugh. I do live my life somewhat differently. I won't hang out in a loud crowded bar. Sometimes I wear a mask in a crowded place.

I don't agree about the more we think we know. I know that this thing will kick ass in an unvaccinated place with no precautions. This virus seems to be a whole new beast.

Really the problem isn't the masks IMO it is more the bozos who refuse to vaccinate for some stupid fucking reason. If we didn't have that population of idiots, we could probably avoid this whole mask discussion.

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Nothing will change until all this nonsensical testing stops. 3 or 4 months ago I got a first shot and all it did was make me sickly for 16 hours. So I passed on the 2nd and I've never felt better.

Who cares who tests positive anyway. The odds are HUGE that if you don't have serious underlying conditions then you won't even know you had it IF you were to get it. You like shots? You'd be far better of getting a pneumonia shot. That's a disease that actually is dangerous.

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No disagreement. Wife and I were both sicker than we have been in years after 1st Moderna shot. Still got 2nd, which made her sick but I had no reaction.

Never got a flu shot in my life. Like you, I have zero regrets if I die today and know it’s coming for all of us. Living a life you enjoy while you can makes it easy. Years mean shit compared what you did during those you have. But that’s way too heavy for some.

I think we are on the same page, even if you don’t admit it, “What’s good living this life you have been given if all you do is stand in one place?”

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It is crazy as you are the first person I have heard who had a reaction to vaccination. It had been my observation that I knew no one that had any sort of significant sickness from the shot. kinda crazy how that works. both you and rob all sick.. lol.. a real head scratcher. I had a sore arm. Haven't known one person to complain of sickness though.

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Nothing will change until all this nonsensical testing stops. 3 or 4 months ago I got a first shot and all it did was make me sickly for 16 hours. So I passed on the 2nd and I've never felt better.

Who cares who tests positive anyway. The odds are HUGE that if you don't have serious underlying conditions then you won't even know you had it IF you were to get it. You like shots? You'd be far better of getting a pneumonia shot. That's a disease that actually is dangerous.

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No disagreement. Wife and I were both sicker than we have been in years after 1st Moderna shot. Still got 2nd, which made her sick but I had no reaction.

Never got a flu shot in my life. Like you, I have zero regrets if I die today and know it’s coming for all of us. Living a life you enjoy while you can makes it easy. Years mean shit compared what you did during those you have. But that’s way too heavy for some.

I think we are on the same page, even if you don’t admit it, “What’s good living this life you have been given if all you do is stand in one place?”

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It is crazy as you are the first person I have heard who had a reaction to vaccination. It had been my observation that I knew no one that had any sort of significant sickness from the shot. kinda crazy how that works. both you and rob all sick.. lol.. a real head scratcher. I had a sore arm. Haven't known one person to complain of sickness though.

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Tough to believe you don’t know anyone who felt sick. I think I felt sicker than others I’ve heard mention it though.

I had a pretty brutal day starting about 16 hours after second Pfizer shot. Don’t remember last time I’ve felt that bad for a day but sure I have been some time. Disorienting part of it was the peak was when I woke up at 4 am, uncontrollably shaking/chills, nauseous, fever, weak. Was pretty brutal for about 6-8 hours, then rest of day just sort of off/fatigued with body aches/chills coming and going.

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No disagreement. Wife and I were both sicker than we have been in years after 1st Moderna shot. Still got 2nd, which made her sick but I had no reaction.

Never got a flu shot in my life. Like you, I have zero regrets if I die today and know it’s coming for all of us. Living a life you enjoy while you can makes it easy. Years mean shit compared what you did during those you have. But that’s way too heavy for some.

I think we are on the same page, even if you don’t admit it, “What’s good living this life you have been given if all you do is stand in one place?”

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It is crazy as you are the first person I have heard who had a reaction to vaccination. It had been my observation that I knew no one that had any sort of significant sickness from the shot. kinda crazy how that works. both you and rob all sick.. lol.. a real head scratcher. I had a sore arm. Haven't known one person to complain of sickness though.

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Tough to believe you don’t know anyone who felt sick. I think I felt sicker than others I’ve heard mention it though.

I had a pretty brutal day starting about 16 hours after second Pfizer shot. Don’t remember last time I’ve felt that bad for a day but sure I have been some time. Disorienting part of it was the peak was when I woke up at 4 am, uncontrollably shaking/chills, nauseous, fever, weak. Was pretty brutal for about 6-8 hours, then rest of day just sort of off/fatigued with body aches/chills coming and going.

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This is true 100%. I haven't really discussed it with that many people but I'd expect to hear more "oh i felt like shit" and I can't think of one person who had such a reaction although I have no doubt it didn't for some. No one in my immediate circle had any effects from taking it. Could it be you guys were all exposed to the virus and were asymptomatic? Probably not but it is a thought.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Nothing will change until all this nonsensical testing stops. 3 or 4 months ago I got a first shot and all it did was make me sickly for 16 hours. So I passed on the 2nd and I've never felt better.

Who cares who tests positive anyway. The odds are HUGE that if you don't have serious underlying conditions then you won't even know you had it IF you were to get it. You like shots? You'd be far better of getting a pneumonia shot. That's a disease that actually is dangerous.

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No disagreement. Wife and I were both sicker than we have been in years after 1st Moderna shot. Still got 2nd, which made her sick but I had no reaction.

Never got a flu shot in my life. Like you, I have zero regrets if I die today and know it’s coming for all of us. Living a life you enjoy while you can makes it easy. Years mean shit compared what you did during those you have. But that’s way too heavy for some.

I think we are on the same page, even if you don’t admit it, “What’s good living this life you have been given if all you do is stand in one place?”

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It is crazy as you are the first person I have heard who had a reaction to vaccination. It had been my observation that I knew no one that had any sort of significant sickness from the shot. kinda crazy how that works. both you and rob all sick.. lol.. a real head scratcher. I had a sore arm. Haven't known one person to complain of sickness though.

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You should talk to my neighbor. My understanding is he is still in the hospital. Been over a week now.

redietz, why are you ignoring my question to you in post #18? You speak plenty of bullshit that only covers one side of the story from your perspective.

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No disagreement. Wife and I were both sicker than we have been in years after 1st Moderna shot. Still got 2nd, which made her sick but I had no reaction.

Never got a flu shot in my life. Like you, I have zero regrets if I die today and know it’s coming for all of us. Living a life you enjoy while you can makes it easy. Years mean shit compared what you did during those you have. But that’s way too heavy for some.

I think we are on the same page, even if you don’t admit it, “What’s good living this life you have been given if all you do is stand in one place?”

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It is crazy as you are the first person I have heard who had a reaction to vaccination. It had been my observation that I knew no one that had any sort of significant sickness from the shot. kinda crazy how that works. both you and rob all sick.. lol.. a real head scratcher. I had a sore arm. Haven't known one person to complain of sickness though.

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You should talk to my neighbor. My understanding is he is still in the hospital. Been over a week now.

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I got similarly ill for under 24 hours when I got the Swine Flu vaccination in 1976. Nearly 8% of the group I was in at Camp Peary had bad reactions to that shot, which at the time seemed unusual for a bunch of young healthy guys. But it turns out I can't get regular flu shots without getting sick either, to this day. But for some reason pneumonia shots don't bother me--maybe because I spent a week in the hospital in the early '90's after contracting it overseas? Everybody's system is different and you just never know. But I feel for your neighbor if he's had to go thru that crap for a week.

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No disagreement. Wife and I were both sicker than we have been in years after 1st Moderna shot. Still got 2nd, which made her sick but I had no reaction.

Never got a flu shot in my life. Like you, I have zero regrets if I die today and know it’s coming for all of us. Living a life you enjoy while you can makes it easy. Years mean shit compared what you did during those you have. But that’s way too heavy for some.

I think we are on the same page, even if you don’t admit it, “What’s good living this life you have been given if all you do is stand in one place?”

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It is crazy as you are the first person I have heard who had a reaction to vaccination. It had been my observation that I knew no one that had any sort of significant sickness from the shot. kinda crazy how that works. both you and rob all sick.. lol.. a real head scratcher. I had a sore arm. Haven't known one person to complain of sickness though.

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Tough to believe you don’t know anyone who felt sick. I think I felt sicker than others I’ve heard mention it though.

I had a pretty brutal day starting about 16 hours after second Pfizer shot. Don’t remember last time I’ve felt that bad for a day but sure I have been some time. Disorienting part of it was the peak was when I woke up at 4 am, uncontrollably shaking/chills, nauseous, fever, weak. Was pretty brutal for about 6-8 hours, then rest of day just sort of off/fatigued with body aches/chills coming and going.

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Exactly how I reacted. Almost makes me sick reading about it. My wife had no issues but she had to care for me, which is bad enough.

I had sore arm for 2 days as did my wife. Only difference-her arm turned red. Happened on both shots. Better than being on a ventilator-IMHO.

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It is crazy as you are the first person I have heard who had a reaction to vaccination. It had been my observation that I knew no one that had any sort of significant sickness from the shot. kinda crazy how that works. both you and rob all sick.. lol.. a real head scratcher. I had a sore arm. Haven't known one person to complain of sickness though.

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You should talk to my neighbor. My understanding is he is still in the hospital. Been over a week now.

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I got similarly ill for under 24 hours when I got the Swine Flu vaccination in 1976. Nearly 8% of the group I was in at Camp Peary had bad reactions to that shot, which at the time seemed unusual for a bunch of young healthy guys. But it turns out I can't get regular flu shots without getting sick either, to this day. But for some reason pneumonia shots don't bother me--maybe because I spent a week in the hospital in the early '90's after contracting it overseas? Everybody's system is different and you just never know. But I feel for your neighbor if he's had to go thru that crap for a week.

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You had reactions to swine flu because you're swine.

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It is crazy as you are the first person I have heard who had a reaction to vaccination. It had been my observation that I knew no one that had any sort of significant sickness from the shot. kinda crazy how that works. both you and rob all sick.. lol.. a real head scratcher. I had a sore arm. Haven't known one person to complain of sickness though.

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Tough to believe you don’t know anyone who felt sick. I think I felt sicker than others I’ve heard mention it though.

I had a pretty brutal day starting about 16 hours after second Pfizer shot. Don’t remember last time I’ve felt that bad for a day but sure I have been some time. Disorienting part of it was the peak was when I woke up at 4 am, uncontrollably shaking/chills, nauseous, fever, weak. Was pretty brutal for about 6-8 hours, then rest of day just sort of off/fatigued with body aches/chills coming and going.

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Exactly how I reacted. Almost makes me sick reading about it. My wife had no issues but she had to care for me, which is bad enough.

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I think it was all in your head pussy.

Was in Vegas from Thursday-Saturday.

Mask mandate began 12:01am Friday.

Casinos seemed to be more concerned about people coming in maskless than wearing a mask once they were already in. I'd say about 70% of people were walking around masked.

Anyway, the mask crap is performative nonsense. We have no real data that cloth masks do very much to prevent COVID spread, especially since the realization that most of the spread is via aerosol, not droplets. It's like saying that wearing pants will prevent people from smelling your farts.

Anyway, the Delta variant DOES seem to be breaking through to vaccinated people, which is unnerving. However, it seems the seriousness of the illness is reduced, though I personally know some people with the usual moderate-level symptoms such as extreme fatigue, loss of smell/taste, and fever. I know other breakthrough case people who just have very mild symptoms.

I think the government is downplaying Delta's effect on vaccinated people because they are afraid it will justify people not vaccinating. I wish they'd stop bullshitting us, and just give us the straight info.

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Was in Vegas from Thursday-Saturday.

Mask mandate began 12:01am Friday.

Casinos seemed to be more concerned about people coming in maskless than wearing a mask once they were already in. I'd say about 70% of people were walking around masked.

Anyway, the mask crap is performative nonsense. We have no real data that cloth masks do very much to prevent COVID spread, especially since the realization that most of the spread is via aerosol, not droplets. It's like saying that wearing pants will prevent people from smelling your farts.

Anyway, the Delta variant DOES seem to be breaking through to vaccinated people, which is unnerving. However, it seems the seriousness of the illness is reduced, though I personally know some people with the usual moderate-level symptoms such as extreme fatigue, loss of smell/taste, and fever. I know other breakthrough case people who just have very mild symptoms.

I think the government is downplaying Delta's effect on vaccinated people because they are afraid it will justify people not vaccinating. I wish they'd stop bullshitting us, and just give us the straight info.

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The only difference between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed is the unvaxxed can't die from the vax. The vax doesn't work because it is not a vaccine. It is really that simple.

What's wrong with you people? Get the vaccine! You talk about how tough you are and are afraid of chills, fever, soreness, etc.? People are dying!

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What's wrong with you people? Get the vaccine! You talk about how tough you are and are afraid of chills, fever, soreness, etc.? People are dying!

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Isn’t that a liberal dream? Older Americans dying, helping save Social Security by reducing average life longevity. Also reducing the amount of damage to the environment with our carbon footprint. And since the left seems to believe it’s mostly Trump supporters not getting vaccinated, it should be happy days for them.

And last put not least, if the vaccine works, why does anyone care if others get it or not? This seems like a liberal dream to me.

Spoiler Alert…..people were, and always will be dying.

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What's wrong with you people? Get the vaccine! You talk about how tough you are and are afraid of chills, fever, soreness, etc.? People are dying!

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Isn’t that a liberal dream? Older Americans dying, helping save Social Security by reducing average life longevity. Also reducing the amount of damage to the environment with our carbon footprint. And since the left seems to believe it’s mostly Trump supporters not getting vaccinated, it should be happy days for them.

And last put not least, if the vaccine works, why does anyone care if others get it or not? This seems like a liberal dream to me.

Spoiler Alert…..people were, and always will be dying.

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This is so idiotic. Why must you be this way. You seem like such a reasonable guy.

I don't have hours to spend to find the best read related to this but I'll give you guys this. It is well written at least.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...-no-comparison

I'm not sure what sort of deficiency in men leads them to make comparisons in the way they do, but if you are to look at the side effects of long covid + death versus vaccine it seems quite clear you should take the vaccine. I don't know about "the science" but if you are to look at the numbers holistically then it becomes pretty clear what the sharp decision is and it isn't even fucking close.

Then throw into the mess that you'll help prevent future transmissions and further variants by helping suppress the spread but such opinions aren't popular because they're akin to socialism or something like that.

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Was in Vegas from Thursday-Saturday.

Mask mandate began 12:01am Friday.

Casinos seemed to be more concerned about people coming in maskless than wearing a mask once they were already in. I'd say about 70% of people were walking around masked.

Anyway, the mask crap is performative nonsense. We have no real data that cloth masks do very much to prevent COVID spread, especially since the realization that most of the spread is via aerosol, not droplets. It's like saying that wearing pants will prevent people from smelling your farts.

Anyway, the Delta variant DOES seem to be breaking through to vaccinated people, which is unnerving. However, it seems the seriousness of the illness is reduced, though I personally know some people with the usual moderate-level symptoms such as extreme fatigue, loss of smell/taste, and fever. I know other breakthrough case people who just have very mild symptoms.

I think the government is downplaying Delta's effect on vaccinated people because they are afraid it will justify people not vaccinating. I wish they'd stop bullshitting us, and just give us the straight info.

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The only difference between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed is the unvaxxed can't die from the vax. The vax doesn't work because it is not a vaccine. It is really that simple.

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Ok I'll bite and it is not a vaccine because why?

I'd be willing to bet a lot of money there isn't one vaccine that prevents people from testing positive for whatever virus they were vaccinated against. It may be that we never really thought about how vaccinations work prior to this. Infections are relative. You can be infected with many things and not have any symptoms. It is a battle of your body versus a replicating organism. If this vaccine isn't real then no other vaccines are likely real either.

For every virus you have to be infected before a vaccination does anything. Therefore since you are infected - it isn't a vaccine.

Is that the point you're making or is it more nuanced ?

I actually have gotten the Moderna vaccine. I just don’t give a damn if others do or not. I think that is a totally reasonable stance. It appears most people have or are going to get the virus and most understand the risk they are taking. And have made the decision either way.

Sorry but I’m not one to say everyone should get an experimental vaccine at this point. Life is filled with choices that may have negative health effects on you. This is just another one in my mind. I made what I felt was the best decision for me, others are doing the same.

Gotta spike the number. November elections are around the corner. Got scare them into staying home and voting numerous times by mail.

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I actually have gotten the Moderna vaccine. I just don’t give a damn if others do or not. I think that is a totally reasonable stance. It appears most people have or are going to get the virus and most understand the risk they are taking. And have made the decision either way.

Sorry but I’m not one to say everyone should get an experimental vaccine at this point. Life is filled with choices that may have negative health effects on you. This is just another one in my mind. I made what I felt was the best decision for me, others are doing the same.

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Well it is sort of pointless to argue why you think people should be ok with people skipping vaccines. Look at the case numbers and see them shooting up.

So the same guys screaming about masks and so forth are for the most part the ones who will have aided in making this thing far worse than needed. When will these people stop blaming 'liberals' or whatever the fuck?

There are 2 issues. One being FORCED by the government and the second one EXPECTING your fellow countryman to take reasonable precautions. I'm not ok with #1 but am ok with #2. I can and do expect people to take the stupid fucking vaccine. I don't listen to Fauci, I acquire my views and news from a mixture of sources including original papers or abstracts.

I am concerned that the vaccines aren't near as effective for this variant. I'm on vacation trying to get my time in before we're about to see next the fucking shutdowns.

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Gotta spike the number. November elections are around the corner. Got scare them into staying home and voting numerous times by mail.

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And you're not even being sarcastic................................... Truly you think you're clever. "Got'em".

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I actually have gotten the Moderna vaccine. I just don’t give a damn if others do or not. I think that is a totally reasonable stance. It appears most people have or are going to get the virus and most understand the risk they are taking. And have made the decision either way.

Sorry but I’m not one to say everyone should get an experimental vaccine at this point. Life is filled with choices that may have negative health effects on you. This is just another one in my mind. I made what I felt was the best decision for me, others are doing the same.

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Well it is sort of pointless to argue why you think people should be ok with people skipping vaccines. Look at the case numbers and see them shooting up.

So the same guys screaming about masks and so forth are for the most part the ones who will have aided in making this thing far worse than needed. When will these people stop blaming 'liberals' or whatever the fuck?

There are 2 issues. One being FORCED by the government and the second one EXPECTING your fellow countryman to take reasonable precautions. I'm not ok with #1 but am ok with #2. I can and do expect people to take the stupid fucking vaccine. I don't listen to Fauci, I acquire my views and news from a mixture of sources including original papers or abstracts.

I am concerned that the vaccines aren't near as effective for this variant. I'm on vacation trying to get my time in before we're about to see next the fucking shutdowns.

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What an idiot....and a liar. You acquire your views from whatever libtard comes along wearing a stupid mask and whining about this BS "delta variant" which is meant to scare the hell out of anyone who's been pussified by Fauci.

Wise up asshole.

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Always wear a mask when you steal from the Casino.
Use different colored masks, shirts, coats and hats.
Switch glasses and sunglasses sometimes too.
If you're serious, you will shave your head on occasion.

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Hmm. I suggested that someone who is in OSN for say getting caught Cheating on Blackjack could just come back and play by shaving their head, dyeing their gear, getting a haircut, wearing different eye color contacts, etc for a disguise and I was called an IDIOT....:/

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Hmm. I suggested that someone who is in OSN for say getting caught Cheating on Blackjack could just come back and play by shaving their head, dyeing their gear, getting a haircut, wearing different eye color contacts, etc for a disguise and I was called an IDIOT....:/

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I've never said an unkind word to you.
You keep posting the way you want to.
Doesn't bother me one bit.

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Hmm. I suggested that someone who is in OSN for say getting caught Cheating on Blackjack could just come back and play by shaving their head, dyeing their gear, getting a haircut, wearing different eye color contacts, etc for a disguise and I was called an IDIOT....:/

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I've never said an unkind word to you.
You keep posting the way you want to.
Doesn't bother me one bit.

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It wasn't you who I claimed called me an IDIOT
... It was on a different Website....