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Anyone have info about a major dice cheating scandal at a major strip casino? Just bits and pieces right now and looking for more info to put the whole story together.
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The Las Vegas Review Journal has a story in the Oct. 1st edition about a team working at Wynn using dice sliding, and I was quoted in the article:
http://www.lvrj.com/business/couple-...130900938.html
For more about "dice sliding" please see my report about "dice control" here:
http://alanbestbuys.com/id139.html
And I have just added additional thoughts about the Wynn sliding case. Your comments are appreciated. Thanks.
I don't play craps, so my knowledge of it is strictly from an observer's standpoint. I did read Alan's report and his thoughts mirrored mine exactly: how could this dice sliding take place more than once? It will be interesting to see how this all turns out and to what extent any of this tarnishes Teflon Steve and his property.
I've been hit with a lot of "Google Alerts" that show my name popping up all over the Internet connected to stories about Wynn and the dice sliding case. Some things I picked up from other media include reported layoffs of Wynn craps dealers and personnel, and that the two people who are being sued by Wynn are internationally-known professional poker players. USA Today and several other national newspaper websites have picked up on the story and on Tuesday my web page about craps and dice control set a one-day record for page views of any page on my site including my home page. In fact, it had more than double the views that my home page had on Tuesday.
What is also curious is that Las Vegas Advisor is yet to mention the story.
You would think that David McKee would be all over this considering his penchant to give the needle to Steve Wynn at every opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I just added a video on this page of the website with a video to demonstrate dice sliding, and there is also additional info about it. First time I ever tried it, too. http://alanbestbuys.com/id139.html
And here is the video, if you are already familiar with the articles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPkgvNV_IuE
It looks like a children's trick. Doesn't seem possible to be able to do it repeatedly and for big bucks even with pit crew distractions WITHOUT, as Alan said in his comments, inside complicity. I noticed after Alan said that how quickly damage control surfaced.
Never trust casinos to always be on the up-and-up. That is why anyone who steadfastly believes that video poker is as the AP crowd claims it to be, just is not in tune with the many truths about gambling.
There are ways that casinos can stop sliding when the craps table crew fails to stop it. The casinos can install obstacles on the table, underneath the felt. Several casinos have these obstacles which resemble "speed bumps" on roads. These speed bumps can be as minor as a string running under the felt across the table on both sides of where the stickman stands. Or these speed bumps can be more obvious with a strip of metal that can be viewed by players as it raises the level of the felt.
Some casinos do not have these obstacles, and some do.
I'm waiting for the day when a casino will install obstacles on its craps tables to thwart not only dice sliding, but also controlled throws and dice setting. The obstacles would prevent "dice influencers" and "dice controllers" from hitting the center of the back wall which is flat (not curved) and allows greater control. It wouldn't surprise me if some casino goes all out and makes its craps tables resemble bumper pool tables, like the one in the video below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jzEBhykb4
When I first heard about this case, I said to Tim O'Reiley of the Las Vegas Review Journal that it is up to the table crew to "protect the game" by identifying an illegal dice slide and calling a "no roll."
Now we find out that there were seven slides cited in the lawsuit. And on several other message boards and forums there have been posts that somewhere between 8 and 12 employees at Wynn were fired over this dice sliding case. This begs the question: were they fired because they were inept at identifying the illegal slides or for failing to protect the game, or were they involved with the players in allowing the dice slides?
That is still the #1 question to decide this, I think. Because if these "sliders" were regular patrons of the Wynn, these alleged 7 slides might represent only a tiny fraction of the number of dice throws/rolls that these players made at Wynn over a period of days or weeks. And as we all know, a bad throw or two or even seven, can fall in between the cracks of "game protection."
Consider these numbers: The average craps shooter throws the dice 5 times per "hand" or turn with the dice. Each throw of the dice (turn) takes 20 seconds, or three per minute. That's 180 throws of the dice per hour at a table, on average.
If these alleged dice sliders played at a table with five other players (six total players) for a total of four hours per day, each of these "alleged sliders" could have thrown the dice about 120 times per day. (180 throws per hour X 4 hours = 720 throws / 6 players = 120)
If these sliders played at the Wynn for 20 days, (and they were regulars there), they each threw the dice 20 X 120 = 2,400 times. If 7 rolls were deemed to be "slides," that's less than one-third of one percent of their throws of the dice.
Could one-third of one-percent be deemed an attempt to break the game? Can the dealers honestly "miss" one-third of one percent of the rolls for being slides?
These are just several issues that I think might come up in the lawsuit.
Poker Pro Accused Of Cheating At Craps
Here is the rest of the story, maybe we will find out what happened in this case after all. I think that this adds something to the story, that doesn't make sense. I just don't see how anybody could get away with sliding the dice over a period of time that took place over months!
The first story I read said that they played on many different tables. So how could they pull it off?
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It's a hell of a thing when a casino gets caught with their pants down, and someone figures out that they are using bad dice!!!
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The dice sliding case at Wynn has opened up a lot of discussions about craps, dice throwing, and what is a valid roll and what isn't, on various website discussion forums.
Today, on another forum I saw information about New Jersey's published regulations on dice regarding dice landing on top of each other. So I went to the original New Jersey Casino Control Commission website and copies their regulations about what is and what isn't a valid throw, and there are some differences from what is commonly accepted when playing craps and differences from what the Nevada regulators told me. Take a look at my web page on Dice games:
http://alanbestbuys.com/id139.html