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kewlJ
Bob21 or whatever your handle is here, you know that GWAE interview that I listened to the other night when you tricked me into doing so by using a different handles to hide who you were?
Do you remember the thread I started about an interesting comment made by Colin, when asked about the value of so called stronger counts? Colin said "every player that he knows that made any kind of real money did so playing hi-lo". To which Munchkin replied "me too". Let me add my own "me too".
So I have 2 questions for you? How many players do you know that have made any kind of real money playing the counts you are proponents of?
And #2, how much have YOU made playing a non-Hi-lo, so called more advanced count?
I am trusting you to be honest. Don't make me regret it.
Hey KewlJ or SpiderMan, or whatever handle or sock puppet you’re using on this site, yes I did listen to the GWAE podcast. And yes, I heard what Colin and Mutchkin said. I agree with them but I have no real life experience to know if this is true.
I have met a couple Blackjack Apprenticeship alumina and none of them had made any money counting. They are pretty easy to spot. They play with no cover and spread big. They could just as well come to the casino with a T-shirt that says I’m a card counter and I learned my trade at BJA.
True story: About two years ago, I met one at one of local casinos. He seemed like a nice but misguided counter. He obviously had everybody at the table pissed off because of the way he played. I followed him to the bathroom and asked him if he was a member of BJA. He confirmed he was and told me his handle. We later met up for dinner outside the casino and he told me his story. Again, good kid, but misguided. He was from the east coast and decided he was going to fly all over United States making his millions being a weekend big time counter. That weekend he lost about $5,000. He flew to Vegas a couple weekends later and lost $8,000; flew some other places and lost big too. I texted him a month ago and he told me he’s busted out, losing about $24,000. He’s right now working and building a new bankroll.
I’ve also met some people from Reymo’s discord and they also aren’t doing too good. One has been doing this for two years and uses the haves count and hasn’t made any money. The other uses Hilo and also is a net loser. He’s lost about $7,000 so far.
So I can’t really say I know many people who’ve made any money at this, except the ones I hear on GWAE. That’s why when I hear stories like Joes, winning $400,000 his first year, my bullshit meter starts pegging out. Especially when he said he played a dealer that dealt 700 rounds per hour. Anything could be true, but his story sounded like it was on the side of emblishment, to say the least.
With all this said, I do believe counting works and people have made money at it, but probably not as much as they claim. There is a reason Colin started BJA and has $3,000 bootcamps. There’s a lot more money to be made selling the dream of being a high roller counter, than actually doing it.
As for me, I enjoy the game. It’s a nice relaxing way to spend the weekend, and I have made some money at it, but not much. I’m just a low roller that hasn’t learned how to embish my story yet. I know that’s part of being a true AP. As I’m sure you know, many of Ken Uston’s (the legend himself) teammates didn’t believe his stories. On GWAE, none of them speak well of him and thought his stories were exaggerated.
Going forward which handle should I address you with since you’ve had so many? Also, where can I get that AP book on ethics? If it’s out there, it’s got to be one of the most screwed up books ever written.