Recently announced Cherokee Indian Tribe to be involved in Danville VA casino

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09-02-2022, 02:15 AM
ftpjesus

Recently announced Cherokee Indian Tribe to be involved in Danville VA casino

For those not aware Virginia passed a law allowing some B&M casinos in the state if the local jurisdicition held a referendum and it passed by the voters. It passed respectfully in Danville VA (had it been in the county its unlikely it wouldve have a chance). Anyway Ceasers is overseeing the construction of the casino and will be managing it when it opens possibly late 2023. Now the surprise is that apparently the Cherokee Band of Indians who run the Casino in Cherokee NC are somehow going to be involved and this is a wee bit concerning for me and Im sure Druff will know why. Indian properties generally get a wide berth from gaming authorities to run things as they see fit but this makes no sense under the VA casino law that passed..

1. The VA Lottery Commission is going to be the overseer of casino gaming within the state

2. This casino isnt being built on Indian land (unlike at least one I know of that is) its land that was taken over by the City of Danville several years ago and was sold to Ceasers for the purpose of building this casino.

So I honestly dont know why and for what purpose the Cherokee Indians being involved makes any sense nor is it appropriate in any way in my opinion.

Update: It appears this is some strong arm tactics by the Cherokee Indians due to their current deal with Ceasers regarding a 300mi radius from their casino in Cherokee NC and Danville falls within it. Not going to lie this is concerning again to me still as Indian involvement to me spells potential conflicts in regulatory framework and gamblers not getting a fair shake possibly unless its made clear unequivocally that the VA state Govt under the umbrella of the VA lottery and charitable gaming has final say on any potential conflicts and resolutions of complaints of gamblers/customers.

https://theonefeather.com/2022/08/11...ville%2C%20Va.
09-02-2022, 02:37 AM
Treeshade

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Originally Posted by ftpjesus

For those not aware Virginia passed a law allowing some B&M casinos in the state if the local jurisdicition held a referendum and it passed by the voters. It passed respectfully in Danville VA (had it been in the county its unlikely it wouldve have a chance). Anyway Ceasers is overseeing the construction of the casino and will be managing it when it opens possibly late 2023. Now the surprise is that apparently the Cherokee Band of Indians who run the Casino in Cherokee NC are somehow going to be involved and this is a wee bit concerning for me and Im sure Druff will know why. Indian properties generally get a wide berth from gaming authorities to run things as they see fit but this makes no sense under the VA casino law that passed..

1. The VA Lottery Commission is going to be the overseer of casino gaming within the state

2. This casino isnt being built on Indian land (unlike at least one I know of that is) its land that was taken over by the City of Danville several years ago and was sold to Ceasers for the purpose of building this casino.

So I honestly dont know why and for what purpose the Cherokee Indians being involved makes any sense nor is it appropriate in any way in my opinion.

Update: It appears this is some strong arm tactics by the Cherokee Indians due to their current deal with Ceasers regarding a 300mi radius from their casino in Cherokee NC and Danville falls within it. Not going to lie this is concerning again to me still as Indian involvement to me spells potential conflicts in regulatory framework and gamblers not getting a fair shake possibly unless its made clear unequivocally that the VA state Govt under the umbrella of the VA lottery and charitable gaming has final say on any potential conflicts and resolutions of complaints of gamblers/customers.

https://theonefeather.com/2022/08/11...ville%2C%20Va.

Just have kewj gunplay fly in and suck off every Indian within 300 miles of this joint and everything will be good
09-12-2022, 03:08 PM
redietz

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Originally Posted by jafdevera004

For those not aware Virginia passed a law allowing some B&M casinos in the state if the local jurisdicition held a referendum and it passed by the voters. It passed respectfully in Danville VA (had it been in the county its unlikely it wouldve have a chance). Anyway Ceasers is overseeing the construction of the casino and will be managing it when it opens possibly late 2023. Now the surprise is that apparently the Cherokee Band of Indians who run the Casino in Cherokee NC are somehow going to be involved and this is a wee bit concerning for me and Im sure Druff will know why. Indian properties generally get a wide berth from gaming authorities to run things as they see fit but this makes no sense under the VA casino law that passed..

If you guys are interested in the Hard Rock that just opened in Bristol (VA), let me know. I have some interesting observations. I haven't been to enough casino openings to understand how management hires in these off the beaten path places and how unusual the table game payouts and house take can be, but Bristol's are, from my perspective, very unusual compared to Las Vegas, AC, or even California Native American gaming.
09-13-2022, 05:10 AM
Treeshade

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by jafdevera004

For those not aware Virginia passed a law allowing some B&M casinos in the state if the local jurisdicition held a referendum and it passed by the voters. It passed respectfully in Danville VA (had it been in the county its unlikely it wouldve have a chance). Anyway Ceasers is overseeing the construction of the casino and will be managing it when it opens possibly late 2023. Now the surprise is that apparently the Cherokee Band of Indians who run the Casino in Cherokee NC are somehow going to be involved and this is a wee bit concerning for me and Im sure Druff will know why. Indian properties generally get a wide berth from gaming authorities to run things as they see fit but this makes no sense under the VA casino law that passed..

If you guys are interested in the Hard Rock that just opened in Bristol (VA), let me know. I have some interesting observations. I haven't been to enough casino openings to understand how management hires in these off the beaten path places and how unusual the table game payouts and house take can be, but Bristol's are, from my perspective, very unusual compared to Las Vegas, AC, or even California Native American gaming.

You here ?
09-13-2022, 06:56 AM
redietz

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by jafdevera004

For those not aware Virginia passed a law allowing some B&M casinos in the state if the local jurisdicition held a referendum and it passed by the voters. It passed respectfully in Danville VA (had it been in the county its unlikely it wouldve have a chance). Anyway Ceasers is overseeing the construction of the casino and will be managing it when it opens possibly late 2023. Now the surprise is that apparently the Cherokee Band of Indians who run the Casino in Cherokee NC are somehow going to be involved and this is a wee bit concerning for me and Im sure Druff will know why. Indian properties generally get a wide berth from gaming authorities to run things as they see fit but this makes no sense under the VA casino law that passed..

If you guys are interested in the Hard Rock that just opened in Bristol (VA), let me know. I have some interesting observations. I haven't been to enough casino openings to understand how management hires in these off the beaten path places and how unusual the table game payouts and house take can be, but Bristol's are, from my perspective, very unusual compared to Las Vegas, AC, or even California Native American gaming.

You here ?

I am. I live a sheltered life, but I have never seen a casino report hold percentages on table games that are the same or higher than the machines. So I asked someone who was upper management at a mid-level LV casino for a decade and was told, yeah, that never happens. So what I was wondering is if the carnival type odds adjustments for some table games is a standard procedure for tribal gaming when they open in virgin territories or open with little in the way of geographic competition? I guess those are my observations and questions. Are they picking on rubes and does this kind of odds adjusting on table games stay in place if they get competition?

The video poker payouts are bad -- about as bad as bad strip payouts in general. But the table games payouts are bizarre for some games. They assume nobody does math? They assume (or don't care) if anyone has been to Las Vegas?

They have a Lucky's Cafe, buy the way, similar to the one at the old Hard Rock on Flamingo. Food is excellent (LV Lucky's was one of my fave places), but this one doesn't open until 11 AM at the earliest, so breakfast is a no go.
09-13-2022, 04:20 PM
Treeshade

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

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Originally Posted by redietz

If you guys are interested in the Hard Rock that just opened in Bristol (VA), let me know. I have some interesting observations. I haven't been to enough casino openings to understand how management hires in these off the beaten path places and how unusual the table game payouts and house take can be, but Bristol's are, from my perspective, very unusual compared to Las Vegas, AC, or even California Native American gaming.

You here ?

I am. I live a sheltered life, but I have never seen a casino report hold percentages on table games that are the same or higher than the machines. So I asked someone who was upper management at a mid-level LV casino for a decade and was told, yeah, that never happens. So what I was wondering is if the carnival type odds adjustments for some table games is a standard procedure for tribal gaming when they open in virgin territories or open with little in the way of geographic competition? I guess those are my observations and questions. Are they picking on rubes and does this kind of odds adjusting on table games stay in place if they get competition?

The video poker payouts are bad -- about as bad as bad strip payouts in general. But the table games payouts are bizarre for some games. They assume nobody does math? They assume (or don't care) if anyone has been to Las Vegas?

They have a Lucky's Cafe, buy the way, similar to the one at the old Hard Rock on Flamingo. Food is excellent (LV Lucky's was one of my fave places), but this one doesn't open until 11 AM at the earliest, so breakfast is a no go.

Red don’t ruin the rep you have by shilling for Kap. He’s hot garbage and it’s disrespectful to all the real QBs who are infinitely better. Go back and look at the reason he lost his job in the first place.
09-14-2022, 06:39 AM
redietz

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

You here ?

I am. I live a sheltered life, but I have never seen a casino report hold percentages on table games that are the same or higher than the machines. So I asked someone who was upper management at a mid-level LV casino for a decade and was told, yeah, that never happens. So what I was wondering is if the carnival type odds adjustments for some table games is a standard procedure for tribal gaming when they open in virgin territories or open with little in the way of geographic competition? I guess those are my observations and questions. Are they picking on rubes and does this kind of odds adjusting on table games stay in place if they get competition?

The video poker payouts are bad -- about as bad as bad strip payouts in general. But the table games payouts are bizarre for some games. They assume nobody does math? They assume (or don't care) if anyone has been to Las Vegas?

They have a Lucky's Cafe, buy the way, similar to the one at the old Hard Rock on Flamingo. Food is excellent (LV Lucky's was one of my fave places), but this one doesn't open until 11 AM at the earliest, so breakfast is a no go.

Red don’t ruin the rep you have by shilling for Kap. He’s hot garbage and it’s disrespectful to all the real QBs who are infinitely better. Go back and look at the reason he lost his job in the first place.

If you're talking about his last year, he played on a real bad team and did fine. I watched maybe half of their games that year. You're not going to find many QBs historically who played that well on a team that statistically played that badly. Check his stats and the team's overall performance on both sides of the ball. Then compare those stats to other QBs who have played on bad NFL teams. Bad QB stats follow bad NFL teams around.

My only issue with him that year was I thought he pulled a little bit of a "Donovan McNabb," which is my way of saying he was overly smart with the ball, kind of the way Geno Smith and Teddy Bridgewater have played recently. They make sure they don't make mistakes, while actually I think the occasional Favre rocket ball might be called for and forgiven. Part of it may be, as black QBs, they make sure they give nobody the excuse of using black QB stereotypes for bad judgement against them. They play more like coach's sons than swashbucklers. And sometimes on bad teams, playing like coaches' sons isn't going to actually win the games, although you can't be outright blamed because you did nothing egregiously wrong.
09-22-2022, 08:34 AM
radicalwin

As a native Virginian who is as an ap I am on top of all Virginia casino news. Been to the new Bristol Casino. It is owned by a the Seminoles basically. I know some of the slots are 85%, but I THINK some games are higher than that. The tables games are bad. The smoke is the worst of any casino I've been.
Also, a the Pamunkey tribe is building a casino in Norfolk. So, basically 3 of 4 casinos will have Native involvement. The Rivers Portsmouth isn't as far as I knowm My understanding is they will be regulated like any commercial casino.
Richmond voted against their casino. There's a very weird hipster culture there. Now a small city just south of Richmond known as Petersburg is trying to get one. The Virginia General Assembly is making Petersburg wait one year for a study to be done just because that's how Virginia General Assembly likes to operate. They love doing studies that change nothing. My prediction is Petersburg will pass it if it can make it through the General Assembly next year. Richmond officials are fighting to hold another referendum.