Big Casino Wins and Jackpots

[MisterV]

The long run applies to all casino gambling, alan, not just to video poker.

While its borders are not strictly circumscribed, we who gamble regularly certainly are playing in the long run, especially if we've been at it for more than a decade or two.

[Rob.Singer]

Kewlj you can count cards in blackjack and that's what gives you an edge. There is no card counting in video poker. That deuce of diamonds can come up in every hand you're dealt four to the royal.

Thank you Alan. This was EXACTLY my point. You reiterated my point!

Blackjack, is initially a negative EV game by about half a percent. I laid out exactly what I do to change it from -EV to +EV longterm, so that I can win (and have) longterm.

Similarly video poker that Rob is playing is also -EV by about half a percent (he admits playing negative EV games). BUT he has given us NOTHING to explain how he changes it from a longterm losing game (-EV) to a longterm winning game (+EV) in which he has made 900 thousand dollars. Nothing except smoke and mirrors and a few catch phrases like "I'm special" and "I do things that other players can't understand".

Alan for the hundredth time, betting systems or betting sequences like progressions, CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game. THAT is what Singer claims.

Now I also play -EV video poker, and have supplemented my income for 8 years doing so. I am able to win because the mailer offers generated are disproportionally high for the amount of play I put in to generate those mailers. That is carefully calculated and planned out. If I lost more generating the free play than the free play was worth, I wouldn't do it. But the free play is worth more than what it costs to generate those free play amounts. THAT is what makes it +EV!

So again, I have explained what it is that I do that changes not one, but 2 different games that I play that are initially -EV into +EV, so that I can win...longterm. Singer has NEVER done this. He just feeds us bullshit. "I am special". "I know and do things others don't". It's bullshit Alan. You can not change the facts. You can not change the math by willing it to be so. The casino is full of people, like you who try.

You're such a whiny idiot kew. You never read the facts, which it appears everyone else has done. And it's all because it differs from what you believe.

First off, I see no reason to believe any of your gambling prowess stories. Why? Because anyone can come on a forum as a no-name and claim anything from the safety of being behind their formidable computers. And you really didn't think your bs thru did you....you really must think just about anyone will buy into how you claim to be a "stealthy card counter" in the age where even a $2 player who counts cards is 86'd because casinos share info on these people. I invite any doubter to go to any Nv. casino and ask a casino exec. They'll tell you it's not possible to do any longer, and only those who like to make things up will say it ain't so.

Next, even though you just don't like how I've won nearly $1.5million (yeah get it straight, rainbow) playing MOSTLY -EV vp games--and I've Never used slot club fluff as a crutch or magic percentage expander for perception purposes--you continue to claim I have never explained how I've accomplished that when I have many times, including just yesterday and right here. Yes, you're one of the sharpies alright.

So please join mickey and wise up.

[FABismonte]

I almost never go to Indian casinos but I did last weekend because I was suffering from craps withdrawls and did not have the time to go all the way to Tahoe. California does not allow dice craps but it does allow card craps. Additionally, a few casinos in California have mechanical "Shoot To Win" aka "bubble craps" machines. Frankly I am not sure why these are not considered forbidden "dice games" but it was close enough to real craps for me to visit.

I drove to Redhawk Casino, not far from Sacramento, California. I first joined the "Shoot to Win" machine which only had one seat left when I joined. Unfortunately, with the exception of one shooter, the game was a slow bleed of my bankroll. Eventually, decided to grab something to eat. When I came back, I saw that the "Shoot to Win" machine was full. I then looked at their card craps game. At Redhawk, when there is a new shooter, they shuffle six cards and place them over spots numbered 1 to six. The real value of the roll is based on the card value. They also have the All Tall, Small side bet (at the 30-15-30 payout).

The table was a $5 minimum (3x-4x-5x odds) and I bought in for four hundred as the guy to my immediate right started shooting. I placed $5 each on the "All, Tall and Small" plus a buck each for the dealers. I kept that up for all the time I was at the table. I put ten odds on the pass line, then full odds on the line, plus $12 on six and eight. The first shooter hit a number but then sevened out. I then had the dice, placed the usual bets and rolled. I hit a few numbers but after pressing, seven outed.

Then the guy to my left had the dice (stick immediate right). I put my usual bets out as he rolled. I saw that I had only about $220 left in my rack when the shooter -- I learned was named Justin starting hitting numbers. I think that he hit about five passes and a bunch of numbers. Unlike normal dice, the results of the throw needed to be translated into the corresponding card value so I was reacting much slower than other players who figured out the real value of a toss. Oddly, a card with the value of five was on the number five so at least that amount was corresponding to the dice -- hard 10.

Justin was knocking down number after number on the STA and the stick had Eisenhower silver dollars to cover each STA number as it hit. Eventually, there was only the 11 left for the tall and 2 for the small. As Justin rolled and kept hitting numbers I started a slow press. Eventually, Justin rolled and started celebrating. I was still pretty slow in doing any associated calculations but eventually learned that he hit the eleven and polished off the Tall. Unlike some tables, the Tall was not paid off right away and was left to the end of the roll.

After about 8 more rolls, Justin rolled a "hard six" which translated into snake eyes and so polished off the ALL! Boy was the table rocking and rolling in celebration. Justin had $10 on all the bonus, there was about four others with $5 across including me. One guy had $3 across and one guy had $5 on the Tall and Small and $15 on the All. That meant that I won $1050 plus my $15 back! I had the only bet for the dealers so they won $210 plus $3. That said, several times a six-one and five-two was rolled by Justin so card carps saved me as it was not translated by cards into a seven out. So I enjoyed my card craps adventure.

The guy with $3 across the bonus said "I really don't care what happens to the numbers on the layout now." Justin told me that he did not want to jinx it but said he previously hit three Alls. The game continued without any bonus payouts until five more rolls, when Justin seven outed. Then the box stacked up the chip to be paid out on each of the bonus bets. He then put each into a stack near the bank with an "off" lammer on top and said that with the exception of the $3 across bets, he needed to wait until the confirmed it was OK to pay. He did not say it was the camera but since I did not see anyone hovering, I presume it was camera confirmation.

I was curious as to how long it would take to release the money. I wanted to leave but since my money was stuck there, I made another bet on the new direction shooter who promptly PSO. Then it was the second shooter who rolled a seven which cost me $5. A that point the money was released and I gladly received it (counted out in front) and then colored out.

Here is a photo I took of the chips. As you can see, without the Bonus Bets, I would not have won much money at all. I bought in for $400 and left with this:

FAB

[Alan Mendelson]

Nice haul. Frankly without the Bonus bets you have no chance of winning at craps. The Bonus bets give you the opportunity of hitting it big with a small outlay.

[MisterV]

Gee, "the opportunity of hitting it big with a small outlay" sounds a lot like the most popular casino game: slots.

I wonder whether in Las Vegas the odds of winning are better on these bonus bets or on a five dollar slot machine?

[Alan Mendelson]

MisterV you're not wrong. Both Bonus Craps and the FireBet allowed craps players to hit something akin to a royal flush in video poker. Previously the big pays were on the long shots of betting 2 and 12 but even they don't come close to a royal or a big slot payoff.

And because the pays on craps were small (ex 7 for 6) you really had only a slim chance of winning big.

By the way you're more likely to hit the ALL than hit a royal flush with the same money bet.

[MisterV]

I did some checking, and the odds of the bonus bets seem to be pretty close to what I understand is the odds / payback rate on Las Vegas slots: 7.76% for bonus bets and between 92-94% return on slots.

[AxelWolf]

I did some checking, and the odds of the bonus bets seem to be pretty close to what I understand is the odds / payback rate on Las Vegas slots: 7.76% for bonus bets and between 92-94% return on slots.

Unless you are playing higer limit or you have special information or a special location you would have a hard time finding a newer bonus slot machine with a loss of only 8%. Most of them seem to have an avrage of a 14% hold. If you avrage in VP, E-craps E-bJ then that 92% might be accurate.

[MisterV]

I was thinking of the wiz's Las Vegas slot survery:

92%-93% payback, not 14%, at least that's how I read it.

[AxelWolf]

I was thinking of the wiz's Las Vegas slot survery:

92%-93% payback, not 14%, at least that's how I read it.

I think that also includes stuff like VP, keno and other games.

Whatever the case, a 7%+ hold on any game when you are not using any AP methods is absolutely horrible and it won't be long before it catches up with him.

[dannyj]

Got my 2nd Royal of the year last night.

[tableplay]

Got my 2nd Royal of the year last night.

Congrats - way to dodge the W2G bullet !

[Rob.Singer]

Got my 2nd Royal of the year last night.

Love those winners Danny. But can't you just hear the WoV armchair ap's scolding you about how only losers play -EV games, and regardless how much profit you took home, you were really "losing money" on every hand you played because of that -ev! Remember these guys' motto: They'd rather lose money by making a +EV bet than win money making a -EV bet!"

That's the mentality they bring over here.

Congrats!

[dannyj]

Got my 2nd Royal of the year last night.

Love those winners Danny. But can't you just hear the WoV armchair ap's scolding you about how only losers play -EV games, and regardless how much profit you took home, you were really "losing money" on every hand you played because of that -ev! Remember these guys' motto: They'd rather lose money by making a +EV bet than win money making a -EV bet!"

That's the mentality they bring over here.

Congrats!

Thanks Rob & tableplay.

We booked a $900 profit last night, including a $340 win playing craps (me) and a $280 loss playing slots (wife).

[Barney]

This is Barney,

Now I only play the slut machine devices but the LID handles the craps and the video pokers advantage plays. On most video pokers sessions he uses methods called LRTC (LIDs Romp thru Casino), however on this win he got lucky at the very bad UX game and was saying to me he is the number 1 personage.


Thank you very much

[Keystone]

This is Barney,

Now I only play the slut machine devices but the LID handles the craps and the video pokers advantage plays. On most video pokers sessions he uses methods called LRTC (LIDs Romp thru Casino), however on this win he got lucky at the very bad UX game and was saying to me he is the number 1 personage.


Thank you very much

LOL 😅😅😅

[tableplay]

This is Barney,

Now I only play the slut machine devices but the LID handles the craps and the video pokers advantage plays. On most video pokers sessions he uses methods called LRTC (LIDs Romp thru Casino), however on this win he got lucky at the very bad UX game and was saying to me he is the number 1 personage.


Thank you very much

Barney, why is the LID betting 10 coins here, instead of 5 (congrats to the LID BTW) ?

[Barney]

This is Barney,

Now I don't play the video pokers only the sluts, but the LID was not doing the vulture thingy but using his most bestest LRTC pokers strategy which calls for increasing bets on the losses I think. Starting at 1, 2, 5, and then 10 coins or something like that. I would ask him but he in hospital after hurting himself while flossing.


Thank you very much

[mickeycrimm]

Got my 2nd Royal of the year last night.

Love those winners Danny. But can't you just hear the WoV armchair ap's scolding you about how only losers play -EV games, and regardless how much profit you took home, you were really "losing money" on every hand you played because of that -ev! Remember these guys' motto: They'd rather lose money by making a +EV bet than win money making a -EV bet!"

That's the mentality they bring over here.

Congrats!

I've never scolded anyone for playing negative games. Why would I? I don't care what others play.

Congrats, Danny.

[dannyj]

Got my 2nd Royal of the year last night.

Love those winners Danny. But can't you just hear the WoV armchair ap's scolding you about how only losers play -EV games, and regardless how much profit you took home, you were really "losing money" on every hand you played because of that -ev! Remember these guys' motto: They'd rather lose money by making a +EV bet than win money making a -EV bet!"

That's the mentality they bring over here.

Congrats!

I've never scolded anyone for playing negative games. Why would I? I don't care what others play.

Congrats, Danny.

Thanks Mickey.