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  1. #3301
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I understand. But why was it not a good bet? It was +EV, albeit not by much. But it is better than just about everything else I have found over the years and have been criticized for playing.

    I consider ANY VP win to be a product of good luck. You never know what's gonna pop up on the draw or the deal. This hand isn't all that hard to come by with holding two Aces. Happens a lot at casinos everywhere everyday. Just think about it--a lousy four of a kind paying $200,000 by betting just $500. And if I were playing what I usually play--TDBP--my payoff would have been $400k. Problem was, that game was just slightly under 100%. One of the reasons I'm the best player ever, intelligence-wise, to ever come down the video poker pike.
    While you don’t want to hear this, you played exactly how Dancer would have as well if he was willing to lose $20k like you were.

  2. #3302
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I have NO problem with this and as a matter of fact it reinforces one of my modifications to Rob's strategies. I've hit this hand (on quarters) at least 3 times by scoping machines where other players just finished playing AP style on bonus poker. I merely switch to ddbp because to my thinking WAY more than 100 credits have been played on bp and all I'm doing is merely completing the rest of the strategy. Several times the quads came quickly. Like I say-I do play modified versions of his strategies that I developed by just using common sense.
    If something like this actually worked even to a lessor degree, you would be a multi millionaire in no time at all. The same and similar methods have been tried time and time again since the beginning of VP. You can buy just about any version of a VP machine you wish. People own VP machines and they try everything imaginable. Singer must be the absolute worst mentor ever.

    p.s. Rob's 200k jackpot pic is probably taken from someones home VP machine they modified to $100 denominations. This would explain the 10/6 pay-table as well. Notice how the picture is taken perfectly and only frames the screen and a little bit if the box cabinet border.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 04-02-2019 at 06:15 PM.

  3. #3303
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I have NO problem with this and as a matter of fact it reinforces one of my modifications to Rob's strategies. I've hit this hand (on quarters) at least 3 times by scoping machines where other players just finished playing AP style on bonus poker. I merely switch to ddbp because to my thinking WAY more than 100 credits have been played on bp and all I'm doing is merely completing the rest of the strategy. Several times the quads came quickly. Like I say-I do play modified versions of his strategies that I developed by just using common sense.
    If something like this actually worked even to a lessor degree, you would be a multi millionaire in no time at all. The same and similar methods have been tried time and time again since the beginning of VP. You can buy just about any version of a VP machine you wish. People own VP machines and they try everything imaginable. Singer must be the absolute worst mentor ever.

    p.s. Rob's 200k jackpot pic is probably taken from someones home VP machine they modified to $100 denominations. This would explain the 10/6 pay-table as well. Notice how the picture is taken perfectly and only frames the screen and a little bit if the box cabinet border.
    NOTHING works every time! That's why there's a number of credits to play and if you lose you go and start another session. After being called an idiot, I don't care to go into more detail. And I certainly don't care about the validity of the pic. It doesn't affect my sex life or my beliefs.

  4. #3304
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I have NO problem with this and as a matter of fact it reinforces one of my modifications to Rob's strategies. I've hit this hand (on quarters) at least 3 times by scoping machines where other players just finished playing AP style on bonus poker. I merely switch to ddbp because to my thinking WAY more than 100 credits have been played on bp and all I'm doing is merely completing the rest of the strategy. Several times the quads came quickly. Like I say-I do play modified versions of his strategies that I developed by just using common sense.
    If something like this actually worked even to a lessor degree, you would be a multi millionaire in no time at all. The same and similar methods have been tried time and time again since the beginning of VP. You can buy just about any version of a VP machine you wish. People own VP machines and they try everything imaginable. Singer must be the absolute worst mentor ever.

    p.s. Rob's 200k jackpot pic is probably taken from someones home VP machine they modified to $100 denominations. This would explain the 10/6 pay-table as well. Notice how the picture is taken perfectly and only frames the screen and a little bit if the box cabinet border.
    NOTHING works every time! That's why there's a number of credits to play and if you lose you go and start another session. After being called an idiot, I don't care to go into more detail. And I certainly don't care about the validity of the pic. It doesn't affect my sex life or my beliefs.
    Sling,the odds are the same on every hand you play. Nothing that's happened before has any effect on it. That's why you got called an idiot.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #3305
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I have NO problem with this and as a matter of fact it reinforces one of my modifications to Rob's strategies. I've hit this hand (on quarters) at least 3 times by scoping machines where other players just finished playing AP style on bonus poker. I merely switch to ddbp because to my thinking WAY more than 100 credits have been played on bp and all I'm doing is merely completing the rest of the strategy. Several times the quads came quickly. Like I say-I do play modified versions of his strategies that I developed by just using common sense.
    If something like this actually worked even to a lessor degree, you would be a multi millionaire in no time at all. The same and similar methods have been tried time and time again since the beginning of VP. You can buy just about any version of a VP machine you wish. People own VP machines and they try everything imaginable. Singer must be the absolute worst mentor ever.

    p.s. Rob's 200k jackpot pic is probably taken from someones home VP machine they modified to $100 denominations. This would explain the 10/6 pay-table as well. Notice how the picture is taken perfectly and only frames the screen and a little bit if the box cabinet border.
    NOTHING works every time! That's why there's a number of credits to play and if you lose you go and start another session. After being called an idiot, I don't care to go into more detail. And I certainly don't care about the validity of the pic. It doesn't affect my sex life or my beliefs.
    I don't think I have ever really called you any harsh names like that. I may have razzed you a bit for following Rob's bogus system. I may have even thought you were him at one time. I think I have mostly just asked you for some logic and explanations.

    NVM what Boz said.

    I have no doubt you hit something good while trying out some type of system. Is it impossible to believe it was just dumb luck? You yourself said, it doesn't work every time. Why not? Could it be there is absolutely no merit to it working, but it WORKED OUT for you a few times. And then, there are all the times it didnt work out, right?

    It's no different than bringing a lucky charm to the machine, it may work sometimes and other times it won't. It could by chance even work out that whenever they bring it they win and when they don't they lose. <<That's all parts of things being random. There is probably a guy out there that loses whenever he brings his charm and wins when he leaves it at home. If I were to hit a jackpot after jumping up and down three times, turning around 4 times and farting 2 times should I automatically believe there something to that system? It will probably work sometimes. You want to believe the machines have some type of memory, dueness, hot cold streaks or break point. I think that's a natural assumption for people to make when it comes to machines. Unfortunately, this is why the casinos take so much money from droned out players(ZK would be proud).
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 04-02-2019 at 07:26 PM.

  6. #3306
    Rob I think you should post the name of the casino. If it's on the casino floor you can't keep it a secret or your personal play because you can't play it 24/7 or lock it up while you're traveling. If it's in Vegas I'll go to the casino and take a picture and show that it's not a home machine.

    Question: can you adjust the paytable on home machines? Doesn't it require a new chip?

  7. #3307
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Rob I think you should post the name of the casino. If it's on the casino floor you can't keep it a secret or your personal play because you can't play it 24/7 or lock it up while you're traveling. If it's in Vegas I'll go to the casino and take a picture and show that it's not a home machine.

    Question: can you adjust the paytable on home machines? Doesn't it require a new chip?
    If you follow Robocchio's timeline it's not in Las Vegas. He talks of being in northern Arizona and will pass through Vegas sometime soon. It's either in Laughlin or Arizona. You know, one of them dirty, filthy, cheating Indian casinos that Robocchio has sworn many times over that he won't play in. Might be Twin Arrows outside Flagstaff.

    PS: a "home machine" is a machine that used to be in a casino so yes, you can change payscales.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #3308
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I have NO problem with this and as a matter of fact it reinforces one of my modifications to Rob's strategies. I've hit this hand (on quarters) at least 3 times by scoping machines where other players just finished playing AP style on bonus poker. I merely switch to ddbp because to my thinking WAY more than 100 credits have been played on bp and all I'm doing is merely completing the rest of the strategy. Several times the quads came quickly. Like I say-I do play modified versions of his strategies that I developed by just using common sense.
    I used to have a friend with a similiar system for slot machines. He would watch someone lose badly on a machine and then say "Well they just lost $400 on that machine. Normally by the time I lose $400 thats when my luck changes and i start winning. This is great now I can play this machine and start winning right off the bat! Its already been 'primed' with someone elses $400 so now I can swoop in and take the wins!"

    Sometimes it worked great. Other times not so much.

  9. #3309
    Forget to mention. His system worked even better if the original person who lost on that slot machine had been playing it "AP Style"

  10. #3310
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Forget to mention. His system worked even better if the original person who lost on that slot machine had been playing it "AP Style"
    My point was that the suggested 100 credits of bonus poker to start one of his sessions had already been played by a previous player and so I skipped that part and just started MY session on the 300 credits remaining on an advanced bp game. SEVERAL times (not EVERY time) quads came up in 100 credits- more or less. It was only a modified way of playing his strategies- not a magical formula or trying to change the odds. And yes- I know the " variance" reply that playing the bonus poker 100 credits myself I could have hit the royal. Again-I have no problem here that he sat at the right machine at the right time with the right game and -good luck.

  11. #3311
    Hey Alan Mendelson.

    ChesterDog:
    If I remember correctly, Atlantic City's Tropicana had a very good offer that happened to be on April 1 some years ago.

    It was a loss rebate for I think $2,000. Many players took advantage of it. I hit a nice jackpot, but some friends each lost about $2,000 and got reimbursed with two payments later in slot dollars on two different dates.

    AxelWolf:
    They actually did a big 150% loss rebate IIRC it was 3k (Of course Alan M. said 150% loss rebates are impossible no casino has ever done that) I never told him where it was. But now that you mentioned they had a big loss rebate I don't mind saying now.
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    You can now go do your research Alan. It happen about the same time as the Revel opened give or take 4 months(i will say less than 2 months either way, they normally did it at the end of April from what I can remember). Lets see just how good you are at "investigative reporting" because I know 150% they had a 150% loss rebate for 2k or more. AND, they did it more than once.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 04-02-2019 at 09:45 PM.

  12. #3312
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Forget to mention. His system worked even better if the original person who lost on that slot machine had been playing it "AP Style"
    My point was that the suggested 100 credits of bonus poker to start one of his sessions had already been played by a previous player and so I skipped that part and just started MY session on the 300 credits remaining on an advanced bp game. SEVERAL times (not EVERY time) quads came up in 100 credits- more or less. It was only a modified way of playing his strategies- not a magical formula or trying to change the odds. And yes- I know the " variance" reply that playing the bonus poker 100 credits myself I could have hit the royal. Again-I have no problem here that he sat at the right machine at the right time with the right game and -good luck.
    Makes sense. I,do that sometimes on table games with the Martingale too. One thing I always hated about the Martingale was that you are'nt winning that much you are just betting more and more to recoup your losses. So to overcome that problem I'll watch a blackjack or roulette table and when someone losses 6 or 7 hands in a row and busts out I'll go take their seat and then do the huge Martingale bet that I would of been doing to recoup those six or 7 bets since they already played through those losses. The beauty of this is when you win its all profit since they were actually the ones that took all those losses and not me so its all profit. If you lose then you only lost the same money you would have lost if you had been the one making the first 6 or 7 bets so its all upside and no downside.

  13. #3313
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Hey Alan Mendelson.

    ChesterDog:
    If I remember correctly, Atlantic City's Tropicana had a very good offer that happened to be on April 1 some years ago.

    It was a loss rebate for I think $2,000. Many players took advantage of it. I hit a nice jackpot, but some friends each lost about $2,000 and got reimbursed with two payments later in slot dollars on two different dates.

    AxelWolf:
    They actually did a big 150% loss rebate IIRC it was 3k (Of course Alan M. said 150% loss rebates are impossible no casino has ever done that) I never told him where it was. But now that you mentioned they had a big loss rebate I don't mind saying now.
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    You can now go do your research Alan. It happen about the same time as the Revel opened give or take 4 months(i will say less than 2 months either way, they normally did it at the end of April from what I can remember). Lets see just how good you are at "investigative reporting" because I know 150% they had a 150% loss rebate for 2k or more. AND, they did it more than once.
    I'm sorry Axel but I don't remember this conversation. Would you mind posting the link?

  14. #3314
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Hey Alan Mendelson.

    ChesterDog:
    If I remember correctly, Atlantic City's Tropicana had a very good offer that happened to be on April 1 some years ago.

    It was a loss rebate for I think $2,000. Many players took advantage of it. I hit a nice jackpot, but some friends each lost about $2,000 and got reimbursed with two payments later in slot dollars on two different dates.

    AxelWolf:
    They actually did a big 150% loss rebate IIRC it was 3k (Of course Alan M. said 150% loss rebates are impossible no casino has ever done that) I never told him where it was. But now that you mentioned they had a big loss rebate I don't mind saying now.
    -------------
    You can now go do your research Alan. It happen about the same time as the Revel opened give or take 4 months(i will say less than 2 months either way, they normally did it at the end of April from what I can remember). Lets see just how good you are at "investigative reporting" because I know 150% they had a 150% loss rebate for 2k or more. AND, they did it more than once.
    I'm sorry Axel but I don't remember this conversation. Would you mind posting the link?
    Really, you don't remember that? I think there was even talk of a bet. You said that any casino doing this would be adverting it all over blah blah blah. I have no clue where its at on the forum. Perhaps RS_ knows since you were arguing with him about it as well since he also knew of one that was going on at that time.

    And while we are at it. I noticed you claimed that AP's keep claiming they have $800 an hour plays all the time, or some BS like that. What AP's are claiming that, please show me some links and examples? I don't think any of the AP's here or on WOV are claiming that, if you find someone who is reputable and not just some unknown loudmouth bragging troll, I will be shocked and I will probably have some questions for them. Oh, and BTW, a while ago you started off at $500 and you have since bumped that number up. DO plays come up that are worth $800+++ and hour? You betcha they do including ones worth thousands and hour. Did you see the story in AC about the online casinos starting off seeded vulture games where you could bet thousands with a significant edge? Yes that's just one example, however, there are examples time and time again of this stuff. And that's just the stuff you hear about, a very small fraction. Not everyone feels the need to post up about all their plays and how good they are. Most solid AP's are not concerned with telling Alan about their plays. Given your hoistory, I would think any normal AP who is successful would want to avoid telling you about their plays like the plague. There are many good plays from the past, present and future that you will never hear about. And don't think guys like yourself is the only reason for this. One of many reasons is because plays oftentimes repeat and there is no reason to educate others about stuff that could cost you 10's of thousands.



    Do thousand dollar plays last for months? Not likely. Do the same AP's get on them daily? That's Highly doubtful. But, big plays like that can last for days sometimes. Let's not forget about all the plays worth $100-800 an hour. If an AP finds 4 really good plays per year that are worth 15k each that's not bad when you consider the rest of the year they can play other stuff, even if some of that stuff is only worth $20-$300 an hour. I'm just guessing here, but if you took all the casino and all the casino games around the world I bet there are are plays that are worth $1000+ per hour once every 4 days.

    One thing I noticed is... you and other "anti AP" guys love to use extreme examples that fit your whatever argument and theory you are trying to prove. Like when you said your AP friend only makes a little bit each year. You guys love to lump all AP's together especially when it comes to negative aspects. Like the tipping shit bob21 was going on about. I guarantee you I tip well during AP play there have been many occasions I have tipped very well. There are lots of other thing you guys come up with that isn't even close to what you think about all AP's at least not in my case.

    BTW I think it was really shitty of you to out your AP friend like that. Why, just to make some point about AP? I guess you have no scruples when it comes to proving some point or when you are trying to make AP's look bad. Kinda like when you thought you were outing me about the fact that I was interested in buying this site by exposing a private conversation. While I wasn't trying to hide that fact, nor did I care who knew. You didnt know that, in fact, you thought wanted to keep that a secret, but that was no concern to you. And there are other examples as well. Is it worth your reputation and having people think you are a douchebag trying to debunk Advantage players(with zero success, mind you)?

  15. #3315
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I understand. But why was it not a good bet? It was +EV, albeit not by much. But it is better than just about everything else I have found over the years and have been criticized for playing.

    I consider ANY VP win to be a product of good luck. You never know what's gonna pop up on the draw or the deal. This hand isn't all that hard to come by with holding two Aces. Happens a lot at casinos everywhere everyday. Just think about it--a lousy four of a kind paying $200,000 by betting just $500. And if I were playing what I usually play--TDBP--my payoff would have been $400k. Problem was, that game was just slightly under 100%. One of the reasons I'm the best player ever, intelligence-wise, to ever come down the video poker pike.
    While you don’t want to hear this, you played exactly how Dancer would have as well if he was willing to lose $20k like you were.
    Actually Boz, Dancer would have played differently. Rob had a $3000 stop win goal. Dancer doesn't play that way.
    I've got my reservations about this thread. But that pic is good enough to stand alone.

  16. #3316
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I have NO problem with this and as a matter of fact it reinforces one of my modifications to Rob's strategies. I've hit this hand (on quarters) at least 3 times by scoping machines where other players just finished playing AP style on bonus poker. I merely switch to ddbp because to my thinking WAY more than 100 credits have been played on bp and all I'm doing is merely completing the rest of the strategy. Several times the quads came quickly. Like I say-I do play modified versions of his strategies that I developed by just using common sense.
    I used to have a friend with a similiar system for slot machines. He would watch someone lose badly on a machine and then say "Well they just lost $400 on that machine. Normally by the time I lose $400 thats when my luck changes and i start winning. This is great now I can play this machine and start winning right off the bat! Its already been 'primed' with someone elses $400 so now I can swoop in and take the wins!"

    Sometimes it worked great. Other times not so much.
    One player thinks "think machine is cold. I don't want to play it." Another player thinks "that machine is due to hit. I want to play it." Which one is right?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #3317
    Isn't that exactly how it is! A man pumps $600 into a machine and walks away broke. On the left the player hurts himself running to the machine because it's due. On the right the player wouldn't touch it with the ten foot pole. One player comes in and wants all the available history of their machine and another player plugs their ears, doesn't want to know a thing. Takes all kinds.

  18. #3318
    Originally Posted by pahrump pete View Post
    Isn't that exactly how it is! A man pumps $600 into a machine and walks away broke. On the left the player hurts himself running to the machine because it's due. On the right the player wouldn't touch it with the ten foot pole. One player comes in and wants all the available history of their machine and another player plugs their ears, doesn't want to know a thing. Takes all kinds.
    Yeah. About 4-5 years ago I was showing a friend how I played and was fortunate enough to hit quads. He was upset I left the machine and asked if he could play it. I suggested he might wanna play another, but he insisted the machine was "hot" and sat down and lost his VP bankroll, told me I was just a lucky sob and went upstairs to play the slots.

  19. #3319
    Again, no such thing as a hot or cold machine. YOU the player makes the decision on when the shuffling of the deck stops. The machine doesn't. It only pays or takes based on the decisions YOU the player make. The machine has no control over the outcome, because YOU the player tells it what to do.

    That $200,000 hit Rob posted, had the PLAYER hit the buttons at a different time, those 4 aces wouldn't have shown up, because the PLAYER and NOT the machine made that decision.

  20. #3320
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Again, no such thing as a hot or cold machine. YOU the player makes the decision on when the shuffling of the deck stops. The machine doesn't. It only pays or takes based on the decisions YOU the player make. The machine has no control over the outcome, because YOU the player tells it what to do.

    That $200,000 hit Rob posted, had the PLAYER hit the buttons at a different time, those 4 aces wouldn't have shown up, because the PLAYER and NOT the machine made that decision.
    AND you must touch the building outside before you play!

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