Big Casino Wins and Jackpots

[jbjb]

Yeah...that idiot Phil Ivey should've been playing video poker chasing losses instead of AP'ing baccarat to the tune of almost $20 million. That way, no moronic judge could screw him.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob people take tennis lessons and golf lessons even when they play for entertainment and have no plans for being a pro. People need to know about comps and players clubs. So all this info has a useful purpose.

What visitors here should be aware of are anonymous posters claiming they've beaten the casinos. That is the true danger.

[jbjb]

I agree. We don't want the competition. It's getting tougher these days with morons like Eliot Jacobson out there.

[blackhole]

I understand and accept the whole alleged AP thing. I’m certain there are players that are really good at it, and probably others not so much. I could only assume that in time (I won’t be around to see it) most gamblers will eventually catch on and all sign up for the AP career leaving only grandmas and compulsive gamblers for the casinos to fight over. This should reduce the casinos numbers even more and eventually lead to disaster. After all, the free money, free rooms, free food, and free beverage well would have to run dry.

Stop bringing up guys like Phil Ivey has if he’s the great AP king. He no doubt is a great successful poker player, but getting involved with Sun and destroying his reputation, (not with ap’s I know) but with future advertising deals, etc., and no doubt burning up positive EV with other casino special high roller deals, was obviously an attempt for a big grab to feed his other gambling addictions. He loses 1 to 2 million dollars per craps session and certainly that won’t last.

In the meantime, if anyone has any doubt who is doing the ass kicking in the gambling world, pull up in any state they exist, the casinos gaming revenue information.

[jbjb]

I understand and accept the whole alleged AP thing. I’m certain there are players that are really good at it, and probably others not so much. I could only assume that in time (I won’t be around to see it) most gamblers will eventually catch on and all sign up for the AP career leaving only grandmas and compulsive gamblers for the casinos to fight over. This should reduce the casinos numbers even more and eventually lead to disaster. After all, the free money, free rooms, free food, and free beverage well would have to run dry.

Stop bringing up guys like Phil Ivey has if he’s the great AP king. He no doubt is a great successful poker player, but getting involved with Sun and destroying his reputation, (not with ap’s I know) but with future advertising deals, etc., and no doubt burning up positive EV with other casino special high roller deals, was obviously an attempt for a big grab to feed his other gambling addictions. He loses 1 to 2 million dollars per craps session and certainly that won’t last.

In the meantime, if anyone has any doubt who is doing the ass kicking in the gambling world, pull up in any state they exist, the casinos gaming revenue information.

It's so good guys like you exist. The less that believe the better.

[blackhole]

It's so good guys like you exist. The less that believe the better.

I didn’t say I don’t believe. Besides, didn’t you rate your AP talents similar to those of James Grosjean's? Your own quote, “I'll take mine and James Grosjean's skill over Rob and Alan's luck any day of the week!!”

I suspect that would put you in the top 1 or 2 percent of AP’s? With that kind of income why would you be here trying to convince us of its existence? What level of education did you complete?

[jbjb]

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. All I've said is that I utilize the same type of plays. Anything else is none of anyone else's business except for the IRS. 20 years ago, I'd have thought the same as you. But I've opened my eyes and looked around.

[blackhole]

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. All I've said is that I utilize the same type of plays. Anything else is none of anyone else's business except for the IRS. 20 years ago, I'd have thought the same as you. But I've opened my eyes and looked around.

Exactly my point, good things spread like cancer. How many eyes need to open before the good thing burns out? Casinos are already endlessly adjusting games and comps.

[redietz]

I feel obligated to point out that games of opinion are beatable.

[Alan Mendelson]

One quote that comes to mind is this:

"It must be true, I saw it on the Internet."

Frankly I don't believe anyone. I've seen tax returns that were improperly prepared, and I've seen claims that I have a hard time understanding why anyone with such knowledge would spend their time here telling us how great they are.

[redietz]

Rob will be sorry to hear that.

[james40]

One quote that comes to mind is this:

"It must be true, I saw it on the Internet."

Frankly I don't believe anyone. I've seen tax returns that were improperly prepared, and I've seen claims that I have a hard time understanding why anyone with such knowledge would spend their time here telling us how great they are.

Finally, a point of view I can agree with. If bullshit were gold, there would be some very rich people here.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob will be sorry to hear that.

The only reasons why I believe Rob (and theyre damn good reasons) is that for years I read his articles and I seriously doubt the publisher would allow his false claims to be published. And... I was with Rob at a certain casino in the high limit room to shoot one of our videos and I got to talk to someone who knows about Rob's play.

Now... while I never endorsed his play or his strategy I have every reason to believe that as a high limit player he did have yearly net profits of $100,000 a year. Frankly, when you play $25 video poker it's not hard.

If I didn't play craps, my profits would be way up there too. It is because of craps that I have net losses. I am way ahead at video poker... and I've had two $100K royals and Rob has only had one.

[jbjb]

The only reasons why I believe Rob (and theyre damn good reasons) is that for years I read his articles and I seriously doubt the publisher would allow his false claims to be published. And... I was with Rob at a certain casino in the high limit room to shoot one of our videos and I got to talk to someone who knows about Rob's play.

Now... while I never endorsed his play or his strategy I have every reason to believe that as a high limit player he did have yearly net profits of $100,000 a year. Frankly, when you play $25 video poker it's not hard.

If I didn't play craps, my profits would be way up there too. It is because of craps that I have net losses. I am way ahead at video poker... and I've had two $100K royals and Rob has only had one.

You also believe in the nonsense of DI and a doctor you saw throw ONCE. Let's not forget about the mythical 18 yos in a row.

Rob has no proof his strategy works. He only produces insults when confronted for proof it works. Nobody cares about the monetary portion whether it's $100 or $100,000. Showing a few jackpot pictures isn't proof of shit. W/L statements and tax returns don't prove shit. Provide mathematical proof THE STRATEGY works. That's all anyone that asks about it wants. Me personally, couldn't care less. My only disagreement is in chasing losses by going up in denomination on any casino game. Doing that is a death wish to your bankroll.

[regnis]

I've profited off of WWF events and the Stanley Cup Finals one year in the 90's. EBay was lax back then on limits you could sell extra tickets for.

P.S. I really would've loved to get Cubs World Series tix for resale.

I sold a pair last Saturday for $7,000 each.

[Alan Mendelson]

You also believe in the nonsense of DI and a doctor you saw throw ONCE. Let's not forget about the mythical 18 yos in a row.

Rob has no proof his strategy works. He only produces insults when confronted for proof it works. Nobody cares about the monetary portion whether it's $100 or $100,000. Showing a few jackpot pictures isn't proof of shit. W/L statements and tax returns don't prove shit. Provide mathematical proof THE STRATEGY works. That's all anyone that asks about it wants. Me personally, couldn't care less. My only disagreement is in chasing losses by going up in denomination on any casino game. Doing that is a death wish to your bankroll.

I do believe that DI is possible even though I can't do it.

I have seen three players who I would consider DIs, and possibly a fourth.

Yes, I was at a craps table at Caesars Palace when a RANDOM shooter threw 18 yos (11) in a row.

I agree, Rob has no proof that his strategy works. Except over the years he reported a lot of big wins and someone playing at his level could certainly have a profit of $100K a year. Frankly, if I didn't play craps, I could have profits of close to that for this year and last. That gives you an idea of how much money I lost at craps.

It's interesting you say that "W/L statements and tax returns don't prove" the claims, but mathematical proof that a strategy works is proof enough for you? Well, we agree that Rob has no mathematical proof. But math doesn't explain how I sat down with $2000 at a $25 VP machine at Caesars and hit a $100K royal in 2015, and how with $2500 this past October I sat down and hit another $100K royal. Oh... and I was playing 8/5 Bonus which is a negative expectation game. By your reasoning that the math governs all, I guess I shouldn't have hit those royals??

[RS__]

I do believe that DI is possible even though I can't do it.

I have seen three players who I would consider DIs, and possibly a fourth.

Yes, I was at a craps table at Caesars Palace when a RANDOM shooter threw 18 yos (11) in a row.

I agree, Rob has no proof that his strategy works. Except over the years he reported a lot of big wins and someone playing at his level could certainly have a profit of $100K a year. Frankly, if I didn't play craps, I could have profits of close to that for this year and last. That gives you an idea of how much money I lost at craps.

It's interesting you say that "W/L statements and tax returns don't prove" the claims, but mathematical proof that a strategy works is proof enough for you? Well, we agree that Rob has no mathematical proof. But math doesn't explain how I sat down with $2000 at a $25 VP machine at Caesars and hit a $100K royal in 2015, and how with $2500 this past October I sat down and hit another $100K royal. Oh... and I was playing 8/5 Bonus which is a negative expectation game. By your reasoning that the math governs all, I guess I shouldn't have hit those royals??

Alan, are you kidding me? It's called getting lucky (or being on the far right side of variance).

Nobody's saying that you cannot win with Rob's strategy. Hell you can win with any strategy, including the one where you make the worst possible hold every time.

I won $60 this morning playing $0.25 VP while getting a drink at the bar in between putting bets in at the sportsbook. That is not proof my system is a winner.


If I told you my coin-flipping system allows me to flip a coin to land on heads every single flip.....would 1 flip be enough for you?

[Alan Mendelson]

RS__ as I said: I believe Rob won. I don't know if he won because of his system. I don't follow his system. Maybe he just got lucky. And maybe his system helps him to get lucky? All I said was I believe he won a hundred thou a year. That's all.

[RS__]

You also said "It's interesting you say that "W/L statements and tax returns don't prove" the claims, but mathematical proof that a strategy works is proof enough for you?" insinuating mathematical proof is "not enough" or is not valid.

[Alan Mendelson]

RS___, it is interesting that you wrote this:

You also said "It's interesting you say that "W/L statements and tax returns don't prove" the claims, but mathematical proof that a strategy works is proof enough for you?" insinuating mathematical proof is "not enough" or is not valid.

Of course I believe the math, as in the math needed to compile accurate win/loss statements and tax returns. However, your buddy jbjb seemed to be insinuating that math theory and not win/loss and tax statements are the necessary proof. Here again is what he wrote in its entirety:

Rob has no proof his strategy works. He only produces insults when confronted for proof it works. Nobody cares about the monetary portion whether it's $100 or $100,000. Showing a few jackpot pictures isn't proof of shit. W/L statements and tax returns don't prove shit. Provide mathematical proof THE STRATEGY works. That's all anyone that asks about it wants. Me personally, couldn't care less. My only disagreement is in chasing losses by going up in denomination on any casino game. Doing that is a death wish to your bankroll.

Again, I know of no theoretical or mathematical proof that Rob's strategy beats "the math" of the game. Yet, he could have had profitable years. I only play negative expectation video poker, yet I have had winning years at video poker in 2015 and 2016 due to LUCKY $100,000 ROYALS. I only wish I was as lucky in craps.

Now, if you can show me some proof that the publisher of Gaming Today permitted Rob to publish false articles for all those years, then we have something to talk about.