Regnis, it doesn't matter if it's a recreational gambler or a pro gambler. You have to quit, pause, take a nap, go on vacation in order to bank your profits. If you never quit, pause, take a nap, go on vacation, in order to bank your profits you run the risk of losing back what you won... even on +EV games.Originally Posted by regnis
Sling, you have tunnel vision. Rob is an insult machine. He's his own worst enemy with that. What do you think about what he wrote about my mother yesterday, a person he doesn't know and has never met or seen? That's okay with you, right? But anyone who fires back at him has no respect? You need to get off the whacky tobacky, Sling.Originally Posted by slingshot
redietz - about 5-10 minutes. If you aren't familar with Dream Card, hands like dealt quads, trips and 4 to a royal are "common" - paid for by the 10 credit bet.
Alan- Thanks! Better to walk out a $100 winner than a $700 loser.
Fabs - yes DDB is my usual game. I keep sessions to an hour or two and DDB has a good amount of hands to double my stake. Of course, sometimes the money goes quickly. I have dabbled with TDB and even TTB, but the sky high variance is just a little too much. If you don't hit a premium quad with kicker pretty quickly, busting out is likely. Of course, Dream Card is a roller coaster too and I don't play it for more than a short while. If the DC goes cold or you can't connect with trips, $100 bills only last a few minutes. This was in Indiana.
Rob Singer - exactly right. I didn't see a need or want to bang away all night. No reason too. And while a $100 win or even $2140 isn't a huge amount of money, it feels good to go home a winner. In my book, today's results are the ones that matter. Past trips are just that, the past. My next session, who knows what can happen. This is recreation, not my job.
JBJB - What's wrong with DDB DC? I guess I could have stuck with the progressive, which was positive. My freeplay was enough to cover the expected losses on the DC. They also had some kind of hot seat promo going on, but my name wasn't called.
Regnis, Right. I always take a chunk of a good win and do something with it. I am leaning towards an extra thousand towards the mortgage.
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Actually, I think it is totally unacceptable from whomever and usually I end up leaving until the mess is over with. I ignore all this crap and hope for new info that helps me learn. At this point, seeing most things I have learned the past 10 years is enough to formulate my own decisions- and win goals are the key. I would be just as happy if the moderator removed me from this forum.Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSling, you have tunnel vision. Rob is an insult machine. He's his own worst enemy with that. What do you think about what he wrote about my mother yesterday, a person he doesn't know and has never met or seen? That's okay with you, right? But anyone who fires back at him has no respect? You need to get off the whacky tobacky, Sling.Originally Posted by slingshot
[QUOTE=Rob.Singer;49488]That's because you are not an experienced AP, Rob. If the casino's best dollar game is 7/5 Bonus (98%), a game I'm absolutely not going to play straight up....but they offer me $125 freeplay on the next 4-of-a-Kind, guess what. I'm going to play that 98% game because the freeplay adds on 6% making it a 104% game, at least through hitting a 4-of-a-Kind. I'll live with a consequences of what happens on the play....and yes, I will include the freeplay as part of my results. That's the AP way of doing things, Rob. Something you know nothing about.Originally Posted by redietz
[QUOTE=mickeycrimm;49506]50/7/5 BP... I'll play that all day long!Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThat's because you are not an experienced AP, Rob. If the casino's best dollar game is 7/5 Bonus (98%), a game I'm absolutely not going to play straight up....but they offer me $125 freeplay on the next 4-of-a-Kind, guess what. I'm going to play that 98% game because the freeplay adds on 6% making it a 104% game, at least through hitting a 4-of-a-Kind. I'll live with a consequences of what happens on the play....and yes, I will include the freeplay as part of my results. That's the AP way of doing things, Rob. Something you know nothing about.Originally Posted by redietz
Regarding win goals. By all means quit when you reach it, if you wish. Having that goal though won't help you get to it.
I've had weekends in Vegas without hitting one quad, Mickey. So how do you value not hitting a quad that's worth a 5% bonus?
Think about the process of obsessing about win goals. I'll borrow from Rob here and assume I can get inside other people's heads. It would go something like this, spread over hours of play.
"I'd like to win x amount, then I'll quit. Unless I win x amount early, then I'll use a fancy stock strategy to try to win more. If I do win x amount, then I need to quit. Oh, I'm losing. Now I need to increase my bets to hit my win goal. Then I'll quit. Wait, I won something. But I'm not at my win goal. I better keep playing. Wait, now I'm losing. What was my win goal? Can I still use a rising strategy to win more? Hold on, I'm losing. What was my stop loss? Was that for one session or two? If I quit for a cup of coffee and a visit to the men's room, I can then start session two. Let's do that. I started session two. I have a clear win goal. Wait, I won. Should I quit? I better use my stock thingy again so I can win more. Or maybe not. Wait, I lost. What was my loss limit?"
As opposed to the AP, whose thought process goes like: "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz; tough hand -- pull out strategy card, check it -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzz."
Win goals are great if you need to entertain yourself. The win goals don't actually help you win if you're playing negative expectation games unless it reduces your number of hours or hands played. Can you imagine a football team setting win goals and then skipping crucial elements necessary to win? They don't lift, they don't watch film, they don't learn the playbook. But they've set win goals, and by god those goals are helpful! Preparing to win playing video poker entails playing games that have a positive expectation, scouting the games, playing optimally. Setting win goals on negative expectation games is like figuring out how to make the frosting when you're too lazy to bake the cake.
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LOL.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
What's your point - that it's possible to lose while playing with an advantage? I hope that was your point....and you weren't being sincere in asking that question.
What you just portrayed was an unstructured version of what you think you "borrowed from Rob". It reeks more of insanity. What in the heck is wrong with you?Originally Posted by redietz
Beautiful regnis. Couldn't have said it better. I bet the look on your wife's face was priceless!Originally Posted by regnisJB--you fail to recognize that he may enjoy and/or spend that money that he won. Then next time he goes to a casino he will probably not be exposed for that $1,000 having already spent it. That is what you guys fail to understand about recreational gambling. Had he not quit he could very well have played right thru it. By quitting, pausing, taking a brief sabbatical, or whatever you want to call it, he probably found another use for that $$ rather than lose it back.Originally Posted by jbjb
I don't question that what you are saying is proper as it applies to a pro who is playing on a full time basis. But that doesn't apply to a recreational gambler. One time I handed my wife a check from a Pick 6 to pay off our mortgage. Why?? So I couldn't lose it back, at least for the next 20 years. That is what quitting while ahead does. The next time I played it was a fresh start with a fresh bankroll and now much lower loss limits until the bankroll re-grew.
Exactly, that's the point.Originally Posted by RS__LOL.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
What's your point - that it's possible to lose while playing with an advantage? I hope that was your point....and you weren't being sincere in asking that question.
I also could win the $15-million dollar Publishers Clearinghouse Sweepstakes on August 31st.
If reaching for stars in the sky is what makes you an advantage player, then count me in -- because I've got a bigger reach than all of you after my years playing basketball.
What does reaching for the stars in the sky have to do with AP?
My personal record is 4400 games between quads, about 10.4 cycles. But there is always the flip side. How do you value hitting 7 quads in a half hour, something I've done before, when the expectation is to hit just one?Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
That it was!!!Originally Posted by dannyjBeautiful regnis. Couldn't have said it better. I bet the look on your wife's face was priceless!Originally Posted by regnisJB--you fail to recognize that he may enjoy and/or spend that money that he won. Then next time he goes to a casino he will probably not be exposed for that $1,000 having already spent it. That is what you guys fail to understand about recreational gambling. Had he not quit he could very well have played right thru it. By quitting, pausing, taking a brief sabbatical, or whatever you want to call it, he probably found another use for that $$ rather than lose it back.Originally Posted by jbjb
I don't question that what you are saying is proper as it applies to a pro who is playing on a full time basis. But that doesn't apply to a recreational gambler. One time I handed my wife a check from a Pick 6 to pay off our mortgage. Why?? So I couldn't lose it back, at least for the next 20 years. That is what quitting while ahead does. The next time I played it was a fresh start with a fresh bankroll and now much lower loss limits until the bankroll re-grew.
Not to break the tedium of the rebate thread, and sorry no pictures, but hit a royal on a 25 cent ultimate x today at 4x. I stopped in for a quickie between meetings and was down $200. The machine got hot and I now had 825 quarters on my meter. The bet is 30 so I decided since all 3 lines were 4x, I would play one more hand and lose 5 quarters for the afternoon.
Dealt (in this order) AKQJ hearts, and a K clubs. Obviously tossed the club and drew the 10 Heart on the bottom line.
Sorry-no pictures as I don't carry the cell when hiding from clients (and life). I was going to leave with the score but the attendant asked me to play it off. I usually refuse but she was so damn cute and hot that I did. It was a small winner anyway so then I took the extra 202.50 and left.
Congrats! That's a great hit while you're rising out of the seat to go home.Originally Posted by regnis
Sweet. I hope you are smart enough to only play 5 credits per hand on that play off/last hand.Originally Posted by regnis
Good Job Regnis. Good thing you quit when you were a winner!
Since you got a Royal at 4X, how much did you win?
[QUOTE=jbjb;49717]Good Job Regnis. Good thing you quit when you were a winner !Originally Posted by regnis
Since you got a Royal at 4X, how much did you win?
I actually should have just played 1 credit. But I was too busy ogling her full body tattoos to think.
Fab--$4,000.
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