Big Casino Wins and Jackpots

[blackhole]

You don't have to do this at all. You should fund your account and withdraw from your account using Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies. The bank is not involved in either the deposit or withdrawal. It is not illegal to gamble at off-shore casinos (that accept US players - and many do) just as Axel stated. Payment processing by payment processors is illegal (also as Axel mentioned) if it involves a US player funding or withdrawing from an off-shore casino or from a US online casino if the player isn't physically located in that state when they withdraw or deposit at that US online casino.

I see, you could circumvent the banking laws by doing the two-step hustling shuffle with cryptocurrencies.

What’s all this about below from the above quote of Axel’s?

"Assuming you find a VPN that they can't detect make sure you change your clock on your computer is set to that time zone. Also, there's all kinds of fingerprints you leave behind when using the same computer you normally use. There's plenty of stuff I still don't 100% understand, such as if they can detect your computer Mac address or whatever you call it, I do believe it's possible, but there are ways around it. I'm overly cautious and do everything I possibly can to avoid detection within reason given the things that I do understand. I Have at least 20 different computers and devices, three different VPN services, multiple monitors, KVM switches, two different virtual machine services"

What do you do here the hustlers cha cha cha?

[blackhole]

Actually it’s the “Big casino wins and jackpot” thread so it fits perfectly. But carry on with your cause.

Where were you 5 pages ago Mini Me?

[AxelWolf]

YES, BTC is where it's at nowadays when it comes to online casinos. It's opened up endless possibilities.
There's even a few online casinos that have zero ID or name verification that take crypto. They always pay within a week (by Monday IIRC).

[blackhole]

YES, BTC is where it's at nowadays when it comes to online casinos. It's opened up endless possibilities.
There's even a few online casinos that have zero ID or name verification that take crypto. They always pay within a week (by Monday IIRC).

I don't understand how that makes everything hunky dory. Isn't that just a way of camouflaging US dollars not to be detected doing something illegal? Sounds like just another con to me. Doesn't a bank have to get involved eventually so you could spend your crypto in US dollars?

You still never explained the need for this con below and seem to keep avoiding explaining all this.

"Assuming you find a VPN that they can't detect make sure you change your clock on your computer is set to that time zone. Also, there's all kinds of fingerprints you leave behind when using the same computer you normally use. There's plenty of stuff I still don't 100% understand, such as if they can detect your computer Mac address or whatever you call it, I do believe it's possible, but there are ways around it. I'm overly cautious and do everything I possibly can to avoid detection within reason given the things that I do understand. I Have at least 20 different computers and devices, three different VPN services, multiple monitors, KVM switches, two different virtual machine services"

Sounds like a lot of work is put into a hustling con with all that equipment. For the record this makes it sound like you could also create an undetected sock everyday.

Also, I'm glad I don't know you. I couldn't picture doing a deal with such a deceiving person.

[AxelWolf]

YES, BTC is where it's at nowadays when it comes to online casinos. It's opened up endless possibilities.
There's even a few online casinos that have zero ID or name verification that take crypto. They always pay within a week (by Monday IIRC).

I don't understand how that makes everything hunky dory. Isn't that just a way of camouflaging US dollars not to be detected doing something illegal? Sounds like just another con to me. Doesn't a bank have to get involved eventually so you could spend your crypto in US dollars?

You still never explained the need for this con below and seem to keep avoiding explaining all this.

"Assuming you find a VPN that they can't detect make sure you change your clock on your computer is set to that time zone. Also, there's all kinds of fingerprints you leave behind when using the same computer you normally use. There's plenty of stuff I still don't 100% understand, such as if they can detect your computer Mac address or whatever you call it, I do believe it's possible, but there are ways around it. I'm overly cautious and do everything I possibly can to avoid detection within reason given the things that I do understand. I Have at least 20 different computers and devices, three different VPN services, multiple monitors, KVM switches, two different virtual machine services"

Sounds like a lot of work is put into a hustling con with all that equipment. For the record this makes it sound like you could also create an undetected sock everyday.

Also, I'm glad I don't know you. I couldn't picture doing a deal with such a deceiving person.

Just when I think that we're having an actual conversation about something, and I'm trying to share some information I have some knowledge about.

That little voice in my head told me not even have a conversation with you. I knew better than to take the time to explain/discuss with you in a civil manner. I had a feeling you where just leading me down that path so you could twist it and use it to take jabs and accuse me of something unethical/illegal or sinister.

It seems to me, that even if you knew everything I ever said was true/accurate and I was a f****** saint it wouldn't matter to you, nor would it change how you interact with me. You only care about disparaging me and others because for some reason you absolutely loathe Advantage Players, especially me(I feel honored). Your MO seems to be to hate on Advantage players any cost. That's been apparent from the beginning. Just about everything you've ever said on these forums have been nothing but nasty, hateful or negative towards Advantage Players. And you wonder why I had reservations about meeting up with you?

Feel free to go back and read all of our conversations, I think it would be very hard to find a case where I have actually called you names, was disrespectful, or were I was a dick to you. For the most part I always been respectful and even went out of my way to have a conversation and answer your questions. But you repeatedly make nasty comments, assumptions and accusations. You might be able to find something where I wasn't a complete gentleman, but I that's to be expected when the guy on the other end is continually disrespectful and gunning for you without a good reason.

A fairly certain not even you believe MDawgs stories about always winning on everything he does. But I guess since he's the closest thing to an ally you have against me another Advantage Players, you'll take it. Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong.

Sure I've bantered back and forth with people and haven't always been respectful For the most part, those people were an equal abettor in the situation. It's not very hard to circumvent forum detection anyone with a half a brain could do it without much effort at all, Nathan was getting away with it for a long time for God's sake. The only reason she kept getting detected was by people like me knowing her tendencies, writing style and overall personality. I have going it's Overkill it would be like using a steam roller to crack a walnut.
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Of course, I have the ability have knowledge to make sock's without being detected by forum detection tools(I'm sorry that unsettles you). I and many others have the ability commit various crimes without being detected, but for moral reasons we just don't. If it's unsettling to you that I have the ability to do that, you should really be worried about what others here online have the ability to do.

It flatters me that you believe I have the ability to make sock puppets and carry out discussions while taking on different identities without being detected. The fairly confident one could just figure my sentence and paragraph structure, word usage and punctuation to figure out who I was immediately. I can't even imagine what reason I would have to make a sock puppet that would benefit me any way whatsoever.

I will do you the undeserved courtesy of answering your question as two why I have such an "elaborate set-up"(it's really not that elaborate compared to what some people have going and are capable of doing). Not just for your benefit, but perhaps other people are curious at this point.

For starters, I'm not doing anything illegal. I certainly might be circumventing their terms and conditions. I make no apologies for that, especially since many of them fail to pay, delay and screw players outright. Even the ones that don't do that oftentimes try to use technicalities in order to void winnings. It's a very deceptive industry that preys on people(that's not to say there aren't some decent ones out there). I've been trying to get paid a measly $380 from one particular Casino for what seems like over 6 months now, they always seem to have some excuse or extra hoop's they want me to jump through. Their latest reason is because of a simple obvious typo in my initial registration(I'm almost thinking they actually changed it, since I've never made that mistake before). They told me to go into my profile and change it...knowing damn well I don't have the ability to change that particular part.

Anyways, I use the setup I have so I can have access to casinos anywhere in the world, it also gives me the ability to sign up for a casino look at all the games, terms and conditions and whatever else, without actually having to give them all my personal details and information. That way, if I actually like the casino and feel there's an advantage, I can now safely make an account with the proper information. It's not a good idea to sign up for every single online casino that you might not even play at, meanwhile while giving them all your personal information and access to your browser data, cookies and computer fingerprints or whatever it is they have the ability to detect. It also gives me the ability to get sent emails about all their current promotions and deals they're offering. That gives me the ability to decide at a later time if I want to sign up take an advantage of whatever promotion looks good. Sure it might not be for you, personally I really enjoy it. Mickey use the term treasure hunt earlier and that's exactly what it's like for me it's super fun just like a treasure hunt. And when I find something knowing I have a significant advantage and make a nice score and that cash out payment hits my account, I'm f****** thrilled. I love playing slots knowing I have an advantage it's fun as hell. People spend hundreds of hours playing video games for entertainment but they don't get paid for it. I feel like I'm getting paid to play a fun complex puzzle video game that's always changing.

[blackhole]

I didn’t lead you down any path with the hopes of twisting anything you said to appear unethical or illegal. The actual facts of your above post speak for itself, and makes my observations even clearer.

The facts of the laws in this country and states (which I’m sure you are a citizen of) remain the laws. Using the word circumventing the law through a bunch of undetectable maneuvers doesn’t mean you get to twist them so they fit your narrative to make what you’re doing legal.

In your own words “I certainly might be circumventing their terms and conditions. (there’s that word again) I make no apologies for that, especially since many of them fail to pay, delay and screw players outright. Even the ones that don't do that oftentimes try to use technicalities in order to void winnings. It's a very deceptive industry that preys on people”

What your saying here sounds to me like you’re saying, since many of them are crooks robbing millions and millions of dollars every year from USA idiots dumb enough to get involved with them in the first place, and who have absolutely no legal place to contact and help recover the monies they stole: makes it okay for you to break banking laws in the USA using cryto, launder, or whatever means you use, along with deceiving the online casinos just fine. It’s all okay as long as you get paid. Please don’t mention Sad-Shack-Mike as any type or form of any regulator source. If the DOJ ever seizes your banking funds, you’ll never see or hear from him again.

I’m certain most AP’s hustling land casinos with promos, using other people’s cards, convincing seniors to move to another machine so you could vulture that one, just to name a few and I mean just a few maneuvers is all okay with you. Doing this nonsense your whole life makes it hard for any of you to see it as any type of hustling. After all AP’s need a job also. Your post above confirms how you view your AP actions and your tunnel vision.

You could circumvent my opinion any way you like if it makes you feel better.

I stand by my opinion of a hustling con and rest my case.

Oh, and for the record I couldn’t care less if Nathan was your sock. I love the back and forth banter and pointing out my opinion. I don’t care if any discussion I’m having involves the same person but a different name, does it really matter? After all what good is a forum without discussion?

Thanks for the reply.

[mickeycrimm]

BH, could you be more specific? What laws would axel be breaking for playing online at offshore casinos? Quote the U.S. Code, please.

PS: Legitimate AP's despise the creators more than you do.

[blackhole]

BH, could you be more specific? What laws would axel be breaking for playing online at offshore casinos? Quote the U.S. Code, please.

PS: Legitimate AP's despise the creators more than you do.

The UIGEA which specifies the transferring of funds through banks to gamble at unauthorized sites is illegal. Although there are all sorts of loop holes to get around it, if a US bank is involved in those type of transactions it’s illegal. This is why the merchants you send money to have phony names and identification codes (or the transfers would be blocked) and launder the funds to the casinos and back to you if they pay you.

I’m sure you could goggle up that law and read all about it. I think the law sucks and allowed lots of room for un-regulated gangsters to take advantage of the idiots in the US desperate enough to loop the laws.

[tableplay]

bitcoin is not illegal. In fact there are bitcoin visa debit cards on the market. Offshore gaming is not illegal either. The only thing illegal is payment processing of US transactions.

[blackhole]

The only thing illegal is payment processing of US transactions.

Did you get something different from my above post?

[monet]

bitcoin is not illegal. In fact there are bitcoin visa debit cards on the market. Offshore gaming is not illegal either. The only thing illegal is payment processing of US transactions.

Jan had told him many times, "It was you to me who taught
In Jersey anything's legal as long as you don't get caught"

[MDawg]

On top of the UIGEA, the Justice Department interprets the Wire Act as making it illegal to book or place any kind of wager across the internet. How that plays out given that the Fifth Circuit has ruled that it applies only to sports betting, is anyone's guess.


It doesn't make any difference to me what a man does for a living, understand. But your business is ah -- a little dangerous.

In any case, I'd think that while you're losing the online casinos are going to look the other way but come time to collect if they have any reason to suspect that the wager came from the U.S. they could stiff you.

Besides the law, doesn't it just come down to the low end play that all nervous poodles are utilizing to make their AP bones? Claiming to be more than one person and scamming free play. Doesn't seem much different from homeless DarkOz's wearing a mask and constantly running from casino security, worried that when it comes time to collect, he too will get stiffed.

[AxelWolf]

I didn’t lead you down any path with the hopes of twisting anything you said to appear unethical or illegal. The actual facts of your above post speak for itself, and makes my observations even clearer.

The facts of the laws in this country and states (which I’m sure you are a citizen of) remain the laws. Using the word circumventing the law through a bunch of undetectable maneuvers doesn’t mean you get to twist them so they fit your narrative to make what you’re doing legal.

In your own words “I certainly might be circumventing their terms and conditions. (there’s that word again) I make no apologies for that, especially since many of them fail to pay, delay and screw players outright. Even the ones that don't do that oftentimes try to use technicalities in order to void winnings. It's a very deceptive industry that preys on people”

What your saying here sounds to me like you’re saying, since many of them are crooks robbing millions and millions of dollars every year from USA idiots dumb enough to get involved with them in the first place, and who have absolutely no legal place to contact and help recover the monies they stole: makes it okay for you to break banking laws in the USA using cryto, launder, or whatever means you use, along with deceiving the online casinos just fine. It’s all okay as long as you get paid. Please don’t mention Sad-Shack-Mike as any type or form of any regulator source. If the DOJ ever seizes your banking funds, you’ll never see or hear from him again.

I’m certain most AP’s hustling land casinos with promos, using other people’s cards, convincing seniors to move to another machine so you could vulture that one, just to name a few and I mean just a few maneuvers is all okay with you. Doing this nonsense your whole life makes it hard for any of you to see it as any type of hustling. After all AP’s need a job also. Your post above confirms how you view your AP actions and your tunnel vision.

You could circumvent my opinion any way you like if it makes you feel better.

I stand by my opinion of a hustling con and rest my case.

Oh, and for the record I couldn’t care less if Nathan was your sock. I love the back and forth banter and pointing out my opinion. I don’t care if any discussion I’m having involves the same person but a different name, does it really matter? After all what good is a forum without discussion?

Thanks for the reply.

So, when you were questioning me as to why I was using multiple different machines, VPN's and whatnot, you thought I might possibly be using that stuff to anonymously give to charity and save lives?
Of course, you knew where it was headed. You try to b******* me all you want, there's plenty of stuff I don't know understand, and there's hey s*** ton of people smarter than be but I but be careful to underestimate me.



And there you go twisting s*** again, I never said I was doing anything to the circumvent the law. I don't use a Bitcoin to circumvent anything, I use it as a tool, it's basically the only cost effective fast option they give me, some places only allow crypto. My crypto account is attached to my name and verified by my ID. The only thing I'm circumventing is the terms and services of an offshore private business. It no different than breaking Dan's no sockpuppet rule. It might be illegal for a grocery store to sell you something past its expiration date it doesn't make it illegal for you to buy it.

You claim what I am doing is illegal, please show us proof of this. Maybe you can go make some citizen's arrest considering the fact that there are millions of people doing it. I thought you mentioned that you played poker online or something previously(perhaps it was someone else)? There's a good chance have a family member or friend that plays online. I know you hate the fact that I figured out how to Go the extra steps and profit from it.

Perhaps you missed it, but I rarely vulture machines. I've made posts before chastising people who do anything to f*** with the customers that's included people trying to do things to get customers off the machines. I've pointed out creators to security. I think all that stuff is deplorable. You want to lump everyone in together since it fits your narrative. That's like saying all lawyers are unethical pieces of s***.

It's good to see you're no longer stating your opinions as facts. You know what they say about opinions don't you?

[Bob21]

You know what they say about opinions don't you?

They’re like noses, everyone’s got one. Did I get it right?

[mickeycrimm]

The only thing illegal is payment processing of US transactions.

Did you get something different from my above post?

BH, could you cite the U.S. Code that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore casino. Please don't cite the law that banks cannot transfer funds to or from these sites. That does not make it illegal for a citizen to play on the sites. Cite the specific law that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore site. Cite the law that is specific to citizens gambling on those sites. Don't use some vague law that doesn't apply.

[blackhole]

Axel,
I made my points and I’m through with you about this discussion. Until next time I suspect the two-step shuffle.

You can try and justify everything you do claiming you’re just a good ole straight shooting American boy.

Just for the record my opinion of lawyers might even be worse than what you mentioned. But out of respect for MDawg I’ll withhold my personal opinion.

[blackhole]

BH, could you cite the U.S. Code that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore casino. Please don't cite the law that banks cannot transfer funds to or from these sites. That does not make it illegal for a citizen to play on the sites. Cite the specific law that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore site. Cite the law that is specific to citizens gambling on those cites. Don't use some vague law that doesn't apply.

Mickey,
Stop pretending you have a brain and your endless gotcha nonsense. Guess you didn’t read what I posted above? Here’s a quick quote “The UIGEA specifies the transferring of funds through banks to gamble at unauthorized sites is illegal.”

[Rob.Singer]

The only thing illegal is payment processing of US transactions.

Did you get something different from my above post?

BH, could you cite the U.S. Code that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore casino. Please don't cite the law that banks cannot transfer funds to or from these sites. That does not make it illegal for a citizen to play on the sites. Cite the specific law that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore site. Cite the law that is specific to citizens gambling on those sites. Don't use some vague law that doesn't apply.

I've been reading up on this. There's differing legal opinions out there, but I didn't find a specific law stating that it's illegal for a US citizen to place bets at online offshore casinos. But the player needs to be aware of what the STATE law says about doing this. Either way, US citizens are not being prosecuted for playing. But there have been some trouble whenever a US bank gets involved with online offshore transactions--for both the player and the bank. Happens infrequently.

That said, everyone understands the risks involved. Will you get slow-paid or no-paid? There's zero recourse. I believe I mentioned this here years ago. I wanted to write a Gaming Today article on online gambling back in around 2003. So I found a popular one--Intercasino--that had video poker up to the $5 level. I deposited I think just $500 after registering--which was a tedious process of ID's etc. I played a simple ARTT progression/regression, and was down a bit when I hit several 1200 credit winners within an hour. I suddenly had about $10,100 so I asked for a cashout. I think there was a small sign-up bonus which I played as required for the cashout.

What happened next was around 3+ months of Intercasino making excuses like "our comptroller needs to sign off on this and he's out ill" and "we found a discrepancy in your registration data that needs to get fixed first" and "our investigators discovered you have multiple addresses in the US" etc. etc. All BS of course, just to try and not pay me. But I persisted, if only to get the final story so I could put my article on online gambling together.

My last effort was to let them know I was a very popular gaming industry writer (I faxed them a copy of my Undeniable Truth column in GT to prove I wrote for them) and that I would write a very scathing article about them and their tactics if I wasn't paid within 3 days. A check arrived overnight and it cleared fine. I've never played online again and I never will, unless and until it's all done within the US and is regulated with normal recourse.

[MDawg]

As I mentioned, besides the UIGEA we have the Wire Act (1961, 18 U.S.C. § 1084).

The DOJ has flip flopped on its interpretation of this. Originally DOJ interpreted to apply to all forms of interstate gambling, in 2011, the DOJ opined that it applied to sports betting only, but in 2018, reversed this position "meaning that [its] prohibitions applied to all interstate betting or wagering."

All you have to do is place a bet or wager across the internet for the Wire Act to apply. Up to two years in the federal slammer! I'd imagine that if you were caught and it turned out that you were using some kind of VPN to cloak your location or identity, or any complicated means to disguise the money transfers to your U.S. person, the sentencing punishment would be aggravated. But the mere placement of a bet or wager for financial gain across U.S. state lines by wire (such as internet) is enough to trigger the statute; there is no further requirement that the funds land in your U.S. bank.

Until such time as the Supreme Court decides to take up this issue which the 5th Circuit (2002) or the 1st Circuit district judge (2019) have ruled on, the DOJ remains the ultimate authority.

I always assumed that the reason that we are not allowed to phone or text while wagering at the tables is due to the Wire Act - that we might be taking a wager on the table action.

[AxelWolf]

BH, could you cite the U.S. Code that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore casino. Please don't cite the law that banks cannot transfer funds to or from these sites. That does not make it illegal for a citizen to play on the sites. Cite the specific law that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore site. Cite the law that is specific to citizens gambling on those cites. Don't use some vague law that doesn't apply.

Mickey,
Stop pretending you have a brain and your endless gotcha nonsense. Guess you didn’t read what I posted above? Here’s a quick quote “The UIGEA specifies the transferring of funds through banks to gamble at unauthorized sites is illegal.”

fair enough.