Big Casino Wins and Jackpots

[SLaPiNFuNK]

Even if you played for 25 years, you are not going to realize the full return of a game.

Back to the minimum bet thing... I went to pickup some free play after breakfast today and went to some different machines...

The $0.25 with a $0.50 minimum bet was a TDB Progressive. Right behind that was a gameking that did not have a progressive but required a $0.75 minimum bet on $0.25 and the $0.50 denom had a minimum bet of $1.00. The $1 and larger denom did not require a minimum bed. I did not try to play less than max bet on these games...

I guess there are people out there grinding single credits :-/

[coach belly]

Would you prefer I amend that statement to just Thousands of Hours?

I would prefer if you stopped contradicting yourself and changing your story.

You make a lot of noise over the difference between an expected return of 16 vs 20 in short session play, but shrug off thousands of hours vs tens of thousands of hours like it's no big deal.

It's clear that you're not getting enough attention IRL, so you seek it here from strangers.

Out of nowhere, you picked a fight with Singer on your second ever post.

Now you whine like a bitch because he teased you about being a degen.

If you have been playing VP for 25 years, then you suffer from arrested development, because you act like a petulant child around here.

[coach belly]

I guess there are people out there grinding single credits

That may have to do with comped drinks. I've seen many single-credit players at the bartops, and heard bartenders complain about them.

[Cerveza Fria]

Would you prefer I amend that statement to just Thousands of Hours?

I would prefer if you stopped contradicting yourself and changing your story.

You make a lot of noise over the difference between an expected return of 16 vs 20 in short session play, but shrug off thousands of hours vs tens of thousands of hours like it's no big deal.

It's clear that you're not getting enough attention IRL, so you seek it here from strangers.

Out of nowhere, you picked a fight with Singer on your second ever post.

Now you whine like a bitch because he teased you about being a degen.

If you have been playing VP for 25 years, then you suffer from arrested development, because you act like a child around here.

1) I didn't contradict myself.
2) I didn't pick a fight with that Charlatan, I just called him on his bullshit. He picked a fight with me, and started in with the Racist stuff.
3) You've been on here since 2014, and claim I seek attention from strangers? LOL
4) But, keep listening to the fraud.

[Rob.Singer]

Would you prefer I amend that statement to just Thousands of Hours?

I would prefer if you stopped contradicting yourself and changing your story.

You make a lot of noise over the difference between an expected return of 16 vs 20 in short session play, but shrug off thousands of hours vs tens of thousands of hours like it's no big deal.

It's clear that you're not getting enough attention IRL, so you seek it here from strangers.

Out of nowhere, you picked a fight with Singer on your second ever post.

Now you whine like a bitch because he teased you about being a degen.

If you have been playing VP for 25 years, then you suffer from arrested development, because you act like a child around here.

1) I didn't contradict myself.
2) I didn't pick a fight with that Charlatan, I just called him on his bullshit. He picked a fight with me, and started in with the Racist stuff.
3) You've been on here since 2014, and claim I seek attention from strangers? LOL
4) But, keep listening to the fraud.

Just what's needed around here--another whining little minority. waaa....waaa.... sniffle....sniffle

[Cerveza Fria]

I would prefer if you stopped contradicting yourself and changing your story.

You make a lot of noise over the difference between an expected return of 16 vs 20 in short session play, but shrug off thousands of hours vs tens of thousands of hours like it's no big deal.

It's clear that you're not getting enough attention IRL, so you seek it here from strangers.

Out of nowhere, you picked a fight with Singer on your second ever post.

Now you whine like a bitch because he teased you about being a degen.

If you have been playing VP for 25 years, then you suffer from arrested development, because you act like a child around here.

1) I didn't contradict myself.
2) I didn't pick a fight with that Charlatan, I just called him on his bullshit. He picked a fight with me, and started in with the Racist stuff.
3) You've been on here since 2014, and claim I seek attention from strangers? LOL
4) But, keep listening to the fraud.

Just what's needed around here--another whining little minority. waaa....waaa.... sniffle....sniffle

I'm not in the minority, thanks to Biden-Harris open borders!

[jdog]

The only thing I can say here is short term results can be different than long term results. Personally my short term sessions added together have not turned into typical long term results and I have 2 years of actual consecutive game data to back that up. Have I just been lucky?? For 2 years... doubtful. I also have session results that go back even further which seem to support what I'm seeing.

Now I'm not saying that I believe everything Singer is claiming here... but do I believe that he could end up a winner after 4 years playing his strategy? Yes, I definitely think it's possible.

Then as long as you are operating on a set budget, how you play has nothing to do with how much you lose. Your budget determines how much you lose.

And I think that's the key right there. Recreational players typically get up from a machine after they've lost their money. We constantly see people get way up hitting numerous great hands, but then just keep on pounding until the machine takes a nosedive and cleans them out. When this happens there is likely a little EV left in that machine because it will have to eventually go on another positive deviation to get back to average RTP. That part is simple to understand.

The tricky part is figuring out the exit points for any given game variant.

[kewlJ]

WTF!! I thought this was a forum of advantage players (even recreational) that understand the math.

Singer System:

1. Special plays. which by definition is LESS optimal (even more -EV) plays NEGATIVE

2. Progression wagering which can never overcome a house advantage. NEGATIVE

3. Stop limits. changes nothing. NEGATIVE

NEGATIVE + NEGATIVE + NEGATIVE Does NOT equal a positive.

And the "short term argument is an argument made by degenerate gambler type plays. Period. You know what short term wins playing negative expectation is called? It is called variance!

You might as well play your standard martingale, or pick your favorite number playing roulette. You might win short term with these just as well. But it does not make them a winning "system". And neither is Rob's nonsense.

And the argument slapinfunk makes about never seeing the long-term is the rational that losing players make. In blackjack AP's run simulations consisting of 10's even 100's of millions of rounds. But that doesn't mean you have to play 10's of millions of rounds. THAT advantage is in effect from round 1.

And it works the same way with VP. It works the same way with every game. You need something that flips that advantage to the player. And stacking negative voodoo concepts on top of one another isn't that something. This isn't opinion, this is mathematical fact.

Have we just gone total voodoo here in addition to total Troll?

[SLaPiNFuNK]

I guess there are people out there grinding single credits

That may have to do with comped drinks. I've seen many single-credit players at the bartops, and heard bartenders complain about them.

This is a California casino. No free booze. Have to show a players card for free water. $4 for an Icelandic water ...

[coach belly]

I guess there are people out there grinding single credits

Not at the casino you're talking about...not anymore anyway.

I wonder why the casino would care? Doesn't playing less than the max bet reduce the RTP?

Is the casino so busy such that the demand for VP machines exceeds supply?

[smurgerburger]

I guess there are people out there grinding single credits

Not at the casino you're talking about...not anymore anyway.

I wonder why the casino would care? Doesn't playing less than the max bet reduce the RTP?

Is the casino so busy such that the demand for VP machines exceeds supply?

It's just actuarial thinking I assume. Liquor costs whatever per serving + labor and other overhead costs, a VP player playing 1 credit generates whatever revenue per drink, and so on.

[jdog]

I've seen many single-credit players at the bartops, and heard bartenders complain about them.

Bartenders generally don't complain about ppl who tip well though.

[accountinquestion]

Good to see Kewlman showing up to drop some undeniable math on Singer.

[Rob.Singer]

Nice to see kew's blood pressure tick up a couple notches because of me again. Maybe his weak heart will even pop a valve!

[coach belly]

Good to see Kewlman showing up to drop some undeniable math on Singer.

What is undeniable?

That it's not possible to book a lifetime win playing -EV VP?

That Singer's strategy cannot contribute to a lifetime win?

[jdog]

What's most amusing to me is kewl still can't figure out why people don't like him?? It's obvious he knows very little about Singer's strategies, and for sure he has no clue what I'm doing, but he acts like he knows everything there is to know about gambling. But yeah... people don't like him cuz he's gay

[accountinquestion]

Good to see Kewlman showing up to drop some undeniable math on Singer.

What is undeniable?

That it's not possible to book a lifetime win playing -EV VP?

That Singer's strategy cannot contribute to a lifetime win?

I'll bite because I'm bored.

You're more likely to be a lifetime winner going for the big payouts in a high variance game and being an outlier or quitting very very early on while you're still ahead.

From anything in the last few pages of this thread - singer is solidly neither.

But ultimately if he wants to claim he is up then who besides kewl cares? Let the old dude have his time to shine.

[coach belly]

I'll bite because I'm bored.

You ducked my questions, but that's OK because you still admitted what I tried to get you to admit.

Singer can take it from here.

[Rob.Singer]

Good to see Kewlman showing up to drop some undeniable math on Singer.

What is undeniable?

That it's not possible to book a lifetime win playing -EV VP?

That Singer's strategy cannot contribute to a lifetime win?

I'll bite because I'm bored.

You're more likely to be a lifetime winner going for the big payouts in a high variance game and being an outlier or quitting very very early on while you're still ahead.

From anything in the last few pages of this thread - singer is solidly neither.

But ultimately if he wants to claim he is up then who besides kewl cares? Let the old dude have his time to shine.

You disqualified yourself on this long ago. I molded you into a liar and Singer hater with ease by ridiculing your truly meaningless life---and ESPECIALLY compared to mine. That masterful manipulation coerced you into not wanting to believe or wish anything positive about what I've done. Just. Like. Kew.

Pat on the back please.....

[MisterV]

Actually Robert you know very little about him or his life.

But that won't stop you...no way,no how.

*golf clap*