7000+ Credits Without A Quad?

[Rob.Singer]

OK, most people wouldn't know how to deal with this. After all, all these credits were played on Nevada machines, where, you know, it is a location that's beyond reproach in the world of business ethics. And without a doubt, if anything out of the ordinary were ever done to ANY Nevada video poker machines, doors would close, people would go to jail, state tax collectors would just say "oh well" and employees would be told "thanks a bunch guys" as they got their walking papers.

So here's the breakdown: the first lost 3400 credits cost me around $1100. Then I lost $1400 in the next 3000 without a quad. Most of both of those were on quarters & 50c. I then blew thru about 600 more on quarter triple-play, but because of a royal I won about $850. Then came my choice to play one of my legendary winning strategies from when I was a pro: ARTT on 25c/50c/$1/$2. The $4000 quad hit shown in the picture I posted made this "bad streak" in Nevada casinos an overall $2500 winner! Of course, had I not been playing ARTT, I probably would have hit a quad on quarters or 50c--and the streak would have ended with me being a loser.

But over 7000 lost credits without any four-of-a-kinds, and now just one after a few more than that? Is the fix in?

[arcimede$]

I've gone over 3000 hands without a quad (15,000 credits) a couple of times. If a person plays enough this is bound to happen occasionally. In fact, it is almost guaranteed to happen. Only those without any understanding of mathematics thinks this would be strange.

[Rob.Singer]

It's more like you stepped in your own trap again, because geeks typically are good with numbers but have questionable reading comprehension. Pressure at home, and here, does that

Your analogy is misrepresented on a large scale in another failed attempt to make it all about you--in your needy fantasy world you live on all those forums you fill all that lonely down time in with. While the # of hands played between hitting quads may be interesting to a boring statistician, the only "stat" having any meaning in the real world is how many credits were played thru between the quads. I have continually explained having 7000+ lost credits, which obviously resulted in far more hands being played.

Don't feel bad arci. Just chalk it up under "lessons learned" again....just as you had to when taking pictures of your machines instead of getting caught trying to fool us with ticket pictures.

[Alan Mendelson]

So Rob, about how many hands did you go through during your quads drought? I understand that to lose 7,000 credits would be more than playing 1,400 hands at 5-credits each.

[slingshot]

OK, most people wouldn't know how to deal with this. After all, all these credits were played on Nevada machines, where, you know, it is a location that's beyond reproach in the world of business ethics. And without a doubt, if anything out of the ordinary were ever done to ANY Nevada video poker machines, doors would close, people would go to jail, state tax collectors would just say "oh well" and employees would be told "thanks a bunch guys" as they got their walking papers.

So here's the breakdown: the first lost 3400 credits cost me around $1100. Then I lost $1400 in the next 3000 without a quad. Most of both of those were on quarters & 50c. I then blew thru about 600 more on quarter triple-play, but because of a royal I won about $850. Then came my choice to play one of my legendary winning strategies from when I was a pro: ARTT on 25c/50c/$1/$2. The $4000 quad hit shown in the picture I posted made this "bad streak" in Nevada casinos an overall $2500 winner! Of course, had I not been playing ARTT, I probably would have hit a quad on quarters or 50c--and the streak would have ended with me being a loser.

But over 7000 lost credits without any four-of-a-kinds, and now just one after a few more than that? Is the fix in?

OK, Rob. This is what I've been talking about and, if you get a chance, would you try playing rtt bonus poker, with a goal of only 20 credits before changing machines? Thanks. And thanks for the report on the ARTT.

[arcimede$]

This is what you stated in your title: "7000+ Credits Without A Quad? " ... nowhere does it say "lost credits". If you want people to understand what you're thinking you may want to accurately type what you mean. That's as far as I read.

PS. I usually just skim over your idiotic comments. They are so inept and void of logic and reason. I didn't even bother this time.

BTW, the average payback of DDB is around 78% without quads. A quad cycle is around 420 hands. Hence, you would expect to lose 93*5 credits each cycle. 7000/93*5 ~= 15 cycles. Probably less than this since you'd likely end up with more 3oaks. Unusual for sure. I think I mentioned previously going 18 cycles without a quick quad/quad and 13 cycles without a wild royal on deuces. Just hope you never hit this kind of drought with royals.

[slingshot]

I understand what you mean,Rob and I hope these "distractions" won't deter you from my post. I realize it's hard to not answer your critics, but there are some of us who seriously search for answers.

[Rob.Singer]

So Rob, about how many hands did you go through during your quads drought? I understand that to lose 7,000 credits would be more than playing 1,400 hands at 5-credits each.

You're correct, 1400 hands is what would be played if every hand was a loser. I didn't count hands because that's not important, and I played 3 different denominations anyway. I had no idea this was happening when I started and played thru the first 3400 credits without one, but once I got home it hit me so I mentioned it here. How many credits lost between hitting them is what I've been pointing out since my first post on this bad streak. Even the resident "tested genius" must have been in the back room changing lithium batteries on a back-up battery pack because he didn't get it either. He even saw--and missed--the fact that I hit a quarter royal near the end of the streak, and because I quit immediately with an $850 profit in quarter credits then you could change that 7000 lost credits to 3500+ actually.

The end result is this was a miserable overall quad drought soften some by a surprise royal, but in true Singer fashion I made the most of it and it would have made an inspiring article in my Undeniable Truth Gaming Today column had it occured back then. Of course, now all the readers get is the same AP blabber from a non-player, who also re-writes every article his dad (Lenny Fromm, a self-proclaimed loser at AP vp) ever did.

[Vegas Vic]

Made a casino trip a while ago and was dealt 3 of a kind on 5 consecutive hands. Converted none of them into either a quad or FH. THAT was frustrating.

[Rob.Singer]

Yes that would be. But have you ever considered your machine was acting like that because it is not really 100% random?

[Alan Mendelson]

Yes that would be. But have you ever considered your machine was acting like that because it is not really 100% random?

I've had similar experiences so was my machine also not 100 percent random? And it's happened on multiple machines so are they not random also?

[Rob.Singer]

I've had similar experiences so was my machine also not 100 percent random? And it's happened on multiple machines so are they not random also?

I know that always bothers you. But what makes you believe that all machines are always random? Because you believe everything you read on the Internet? Because a lot of others say so? Because you believe the casino business is more ethical than the banks, big oil, Wall Street, or the Catholic Church? Because it has got to be the way you want it to be? Wise up Alan. I'm probably the best vp player anyone knows or has ever heard about. That also means I probably utilize the computer attached to my neck better than any other video poker personality. I choose common sense when the facts are compromising or just aren't available.

[Vegas_lover]

I'm probably the best vp player anyone knows or has ever heard about. That also means I probably utilize the computer attached to my neck better than any other video poker personality. I choose common sense when the facts are compromising or just aren't available.

Loving the modesty Rob, as always. The problem lies in the evidence not the claims. Shooting from the hip is easy, anybody can do that. Making no efforts to prove your statements makes you look silly and makes people wonder if that computer attached to your neck is showing any signs of life.

At one moment you state it all this doesn't interest you anymore, professional mode turned off, recreational mode turned on. And the other moment you come back to blow your own horn to educate all of us dumb folks. You tell us how to play, how to deal with casinos, what we should steal from them, etc. You educate Alan about his problem gambling and how you go to a casino just once every two weeks. It appears to me you've been playing at casinos about every day the last couple of weeks .

It would be nice if you just made a choice about what you want to be. A pro or a recreational player like the rest of us. If you prefer the second, stop blowing your own horn and stop your efforts to educate us. Not many of us are interested in that part of your contributions anyway.

[Rob.Singer]

Then I'll oblige.

My statements about the machines come with no more or less "evidence" than the claims about what the other side believes. In fact, when one applies common sense to the equation instead of simply throwing out very loose facts, the results easily favor my point of view.

I regularly have gone to a casino about once every 2 week's WHEN WE'VE BEEN IN NEVADA until last week. Why have I gone each day ecently? Just take a look--it's a lesson in video poker play....one that can help others see the mistakes they make in NOT playing like I do. First it was a miserable quad drought that would have broke any other player. But I showed how to make a positive out of it. And that led to the hottest play I've seen since retiring from weekly very hi-limit play as a pro, and I will go back tomorrow & the next day only regardless of results before not playing again for at least a month. And I won't play higher than $2 Fri. or Sat. as another lesson in how to keep your winnings in YOUR pocket. Heed the word, Vic.

Finally, I don't need to be a pro to educate. I'm not any luckier than anyone else--just smarter in giving it the opportunity to come, and how to handle it when it does come. Again, heed the word.

[Vegas_lover]

I regularly have gone to a casino about once every 2 week's WHEN WE'VE BEEN IN NEVADA until last week. Why have I gone each day ecently? Just take a look--it's a lesson in video poker play....one that can help others see the mistakes they make in NOT playing like I do. First it was a miserable quad drought that would have broke any other player. But I showed how to make a positive out of it. And that led to the hottest play I've seen since retiring from weekly very hi-limit play as a pro, and I will go back tomorrow & the next day only regardless of results before not playing again for at least a month. And I won't play higher than $2 Fri. or Sat. as another lesson in how to keep your winnings in YOUR pocket. Heed the word, Vic.

Finally, I don't need to be a pro to educate. I'm not any luckier than anyone else--just smarter in giving it the opportunity to come, and how to handle it when it does come. Again, heed the word.

The problem is Rob, you've made so many silly claims and have fired so many insults that couple of pics of VP wins don't mean anything (at least not to me). You've been blowing your own horn so loudly you're more like a clown to me than anything else. For all I know you could have lost $25,0000 before every jackpot you've hit during the last couple of weeks. In other words: your stories and pictures don't mean a thing to me because of all the nonsense you're written during the last year or so. And since you're not luckier than anybody else you're stories are even harder to believe.

[slingshot]

The thing I like about Rob's strategies is that you don't have to have quads to win-and that was what I was hoping he would post about. Outta here.

[arcimede$]

The funniest thing about Singer's rant is machines MUST have some long streaks (both good and bad) or they wouldn't be random. The exact thing Singer is using to claim the machines must not be random are a requirement for randomness.

One can only chuckle at someone claiming how smart they are while making a complete idiot of themselves.

[Rob.Singer]

The problem is Rob, you've made so many silly claims and have fired so many insults that couple of pics of VP wins don't mean anything (at least not to me). You've been blowing your own horn so loudly you're more like a clown to me than anything else. For all I know you could have lost $25,0000 before every jackpot you've hit during the last couple of weeks. In other words: your stories and pictures don't mean a thing to me because of all the nonsense you're written during the last year or so. And since you're not luckier than anybody else you're stories are even harder to believe.

What else could you say? Hurts, doesn't it. And if I've lost $25k before every jackpot pic, think of how much more anguish you're causing arci--who's already reeling. All that means is I have lots and lots of money, while arci wants it to be that we don't have two nickels to rub together

[Vegas_lover]

What else could you say? Hurts, doesn't it.

Don't flatter yourself Rob I couldn't care less. As I said before, to me you're nothing but a clown, regardless of your bank account balance. I'm perfectly happy with what I have and don't feel the urge to shout it of the roof tops like you do. I hope you win another 5 million, unfortunately it won't change your horrible personality.

[arcimede$]

The fact Singer feels he needs to shout it from the roof tops is pretty good evidence it is a lie. Just like his claims of living in a huge house when no evidence of it exists and he is unwilling to provide the address is another example.