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Thread: The Wizard of Vegas Comes Clean On His Forum

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    I'm no longer a forum rat like I was in days past. I just don't have the time anymore, which I hope most people who want to enjoy retirement will find out. But occasionally, acquaintances from my concentrated video poker days send me posts or threads they think I'll find interesting, or posts that just can't be completed without mention of me--or both.

    Today I received a thread from the WoV forum that, besides having my name mentioned in passing for reasons that I didn't bother to research, included a not-so-surprising revelation/admission to me, but was revealing to a lot of gamblers out there who know or have heard of Mike Shackleford.

    It seems the Wizard announced he quit that Gambling With an Edge show as Bob Dancer's co-host. Not a big deal to most on that forum as it turned out, because his members mostly couldn't understand why or how he could stand being on the same show as a perpetually horn-tooting vp player and businessman.

    But as the Wizard finally came on to perform a semblance of damage control for both him AND Bob, he also came out with a rather startling admission. Whereas most of us always believed his gambling knowledge, gambling wherewithal, and gambling IQ was into the stratosphere--and I will always believe that it is and is at least triple that of Dancer's--he came out with the admission that most of his income is not from winning as an APer (& he says he had a very good football season), but comes from his advertising of several on-line casinos on his various sites! This goes hand-in-hand with both what he told me in person (that he has not won and can't seem to win playing advantage play vp) along with his saying on his forum recently that things just haven't been going well in gambling. And after that recent disastrous "+EV Riv promo" Dancer roped him into going partners with him on, it's all beginning to add up.

    It all comes out in the wash, so to speak.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 01-25-2013 at 08:39 PM.

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    For the record, the thread on the Wizard's website starts here: http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-t...ow/#post213097

    The particular quote was: "Most of my income comes from advertising. i.e. Bovada/Bodog."

    I guess that puts me in the same camp as Michael, because most of my income comes from advertising as well -- however, I'm in the "lower class" section of the camp since I am math illiterate.

    Frankly I am not surprised when even a math expert says it is hard to win -- or that he hasn't won -- at casino gambling since there are few ways to win at casino games. Actually he didn't say he didn't win, he said "most of my income comes from advertising...." There is card counting at blackjack but I am sure that if Michael is a card counter no casino will tolerate his play. While we would all like to dream that dice influencing can beat the casinos at craps I am yet to hear of any so-called "dice influencer" or "dice controller" who has managed to beat the casinos at their own game. But we have heard from a few players -- Bob Dancer, Rob Singer, Arcimede$ -- who have reported profits playing video poker and perhaps they are the lucky ones or the few on the bell curve who actually got to hear the dings instead of the rest of us who only heard the dongs.

    Sports betting is another sector in casino gambling where it is possible to be an overall winner, and some people have that skill. I don't and for me an attempt at handicapping anything would either be a "coin toss" or asking a friend "how should I bet?"

    The bottom line is that I don't think there is any shame in admitting you can't beat the casinos. And I have a lot of respect for Michael even though I've never met him. He appears to run "an honest ship."

    Rob, I don't know why you were banned there but I can tell you this I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS IT HERE.
    Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 01-25-2013 at 09:57 PM.

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    I see Singer is lying again. When someone says "most of their income" is not from gambling they are NOT claiming they lose at gambling. But, why would we expect anything different from Singer. All he does is lie.

    For the record my gambling income is also not "most of my income". However, I have won money for 9 straight years now and the total continues to grow.

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    Arc, I think your conclusion here is flawed. I wouldn't say Rob lied. Perhaps he misinterpreted what Mike said or meant by his post. To be honest about it, Mike didn't spell out if he won or lost gambling but rather only said most of his income doesn't come from gambling. There are those who might have thought that being an expert about gambling should make you an automatic big winner.

    When you read things about advantage players actually earning what amounts to $8 an hour, it certainly gives you pause about whether or not you'd be better off working at a fast food restaurant or as a cashier in a super market where you might even have health benefits.

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    And with the smoking issues inside a casino, health insurance benefits would certainly win out.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Arc, I think your conclusion here is flawed. I wouldn't say Rob lied. Perhaps he misinterpreted what Mike said or meant by his post. To be honest about it, Mike didn't spell out if he won or lost gambling but rather only said most of his income doesn't come from gambling. There are those who might have thought that being an expert about gambling should make you an automatic big winner.

    When you read things about advantage players actually earning what amounts to $8 an hour, it certainly gives you pause about whether or not you'd be better off working at a fast food restaurant or as a cashier in a super market where you might even have health benefits.
    At face value, your take makes sense. However, add it up. He & Dancer recently played--and Wizard had to have his arm twisted to agree--in what turned out to be yet another of Dancer's disastrous "+EV promotions" where half of what was lost hit the Wizard. It grinds on him, then Wizard abruptly quits the show. Then, Wizard recently announced having his best year ever at sports betting, yet still tells his forum that his gambling isn't doing very well. The only other game he plays is advantage play vp. That, together with what should be a very good income from making sports bets, spells big failure in the video poker arena....still, when you combine that with what he told me. And finally, if Wizard can say "most of my income comes from advertising" when he's already said he had his best year ever in sports betting, then the video poker losses cut deep into those winnings. Thank goodness for the advertising.

    But the best part of all this is the logical deduction one gets about Dancer. I've said for years that his income comes only from all his various jobs via the vp business, and like the Wizard, if he wants to continue trying to beat the vp machines playing a very flawed "advantage play" system, neither of them can ever quit working. Any questions about that now??

    Arci's funny. Everything that even hints at these guys not living up to AP hype, cuts into whatever soul he's been allowed to keep.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 01-26-2013 at 12:44 PM.

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    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    And with the smoking issues inside a casino, health insurance benefits would certainly win out.
    Wizard has a wife & children and he told me what I already know--that his health ins. costs are thru the roof. He'not an older man yet, but with what he's doing he'll get no pension or SS. Let's hope he knows how to save.

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    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    At face value, your take makes sense. However, add it up. He & Dancer recently played--and Wizard had to have his arm twisted to agree--in what turned out to be yet another of Dancer's disastrous "+EV promotions" where half of what was lost hit the Wizard. It grinds on him, then Wizard abruptly quits the show.
    Once again we see nothing but lies. Dancer has stated they WON money on that promotion and we all know Singer doesn't know squat. Hence, Singer's claims are clearly lies.


    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Then, Wizard recently announced having his best year ever at sports betting, yet still tells his forum that his gambling isn't doing very well. The only other game he plays is advantage play vp. That, together with what should be a very good income from making sports bets, spells big failure in the video poker arena....still, when you combine that with what he told me. And finally, if Wizard can say "most of my income comes from advertising" when he's already said he had his best year ever in sports betting, then the video poker losses cut deep into those winnings. Thank goodness for the advertising.

    But the best part of all this is the logical deduction one gets about Dancer. I've said for years that his income comes only from all his various jobs via the vp business, and like the Wizard, if he wants to continue trying to beat the vp machines playing a very flawed "advantage play" system, neither of them can ever quit working. Any questions about that now??

    Arci's funny. Everything that even hints at these guys not living up to AP hype, cuts into whatever soul he's been allowed to keep.
    More attempts to hide the FACT that his claims are all lies. A person who will clearly lie about things he does not know, will lie about anything. A perfect description of Singer.

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    Yes arci, after I grilled him in front of all those he sees as his minions on vpFree (funny, BTW, that you can't pull yourself away from there even though you're the only person ever to have been permanently banned from it ) he had no choice but to do an about face and claim he "won". So don't fret. You're not the only self-proclaimed AP squirming in their seat over the whole thing, and Dancer certainly doesn't care how you or anyone else struggling with it feels! But let's see....Wizard says they lost and your hero claims they didn't. Hmmm...now who are we to believe....

    Get over it arci. With all the time in the world on your hands, why let this eat away at you so much?

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    Ahhh, nice projection. Since you were caught in yet another obvious lie it's no wonder this will "eat away at you". BTW, nowhere has the wizard said they lost. I'm more than willing to admit I don't know (and don't really care). What's more telling is you feel it necessary to claim they lost when you don't know either. But that's the real Singer ... a person so dishonest they choose to lie about everything.

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    And you got up THAT early to tell your first lies of the day because you couldn't sleep over this? Read the Wizard's forum arci, and you will be enlightened!

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    Sorry to disappoint you but I normally wake up in the middle of the night. The bladder isn't what it used to be. Usually I go right back to bed, but sometimes I stay up for awhile if I'm not real sleepy. It's actually quite hilarious that you would think it even slightest bit important. Clearly demonstrates I nailed you yet again when you start digging that deep for a response.

    As for the wizard's forum, I don't read it. If you want to refer to something then reference it, otherwise it is a waste of everyone's time. Oh wait, I forgot that cut and paste was probably above Robbie's knowledge level. Chuckle, chuckle.

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    Sorry my friend, but we haven't yet had health problems here because we take care of ourselves, and I never dragged my wife to casinos against her will. That's called respect. But we DID visit Genoa, Nv. today and had a nice lunch over there with friends we made a few weeks ago when we went out to dinner. I do, however, enjoy that you needed all those words to try and justify getting up early to pee AND jump on the Internet to see how bad a hit you just took

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    Oh dear Lord, here we go again: Can You Top This??

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Oh dear Lord, here we go again: Can You Top This??
    Typical Singer. When he gets caught lying he panics. That's when he starts with more lies to try and cover for the others. It's obvious every time and worth a good chuckle.

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    Looks like you held the pee in a little longer last night prior to waking up lying about & frustrated with me!

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    I am leaving the previous two posts up for everyone to see -- including the authors. Maybe one day you will look back and say, "gee, did I really write that and post it on the Internet? What was I thinking? Could I really have been so childish?"

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    It's all making sense to me now and is all very clear Alan. Since Arci has to pee so much, he really can't be an advantage player. If Arci will visit this site, he can become the best player ever and then we can end this dispute.

    http://www.free-super-beta-prostate.com

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    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    It's all making sense to me now and is all very clear Alan. Since Arci has to pee so much, he really can't be an advantage player. If Arci will visit this site, he can become the best player ever and then we can end this dispute.

    http://www.free-super-beta-prostate.com
    When I gamble I drink a lot of coffee. I also drink a lot of coffee when I'm at the computer. I drink at least a pot of coffee a day in addition to water and cola and beer. I would say my bladder is just fine, it's more a problem of high consumption than anything else.

    That said, we all lose a little capacity as we age. No one is immune.

    BTW Alan, Singer has doing this stuff for years. There's already volumes of his lies on the internet for anyone to read. I suspect he's actually proud of it. Think about that for awhile.

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    Arci they make overnight peepee bags for weak bladders like yours, and you can probably even take one to the casino for your seven hour weekly fix. I guess what goes around comes around has taken on a brand new meaning.

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