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    Are casino dice fairly balanced? This question comes up a lot and I believe they are -- I think the casinos have no reason not to use fairly balanced dice because the casinos can win no matter how you bet since it is a negative expectation game and the casino has an edge.

    In fact, if a casino used unbalanced dice players could determine that and immediately start playing the way the dice are tumbling -- if more 7s were showing, players could switch to the darkside. If more 11s were showing, players could bet the field more often, and so on.

    But I was curious about what was on the Internet about fair dice and unfair dice and what has been written about dice being fairly balanced or not. And I discovered this website and page:

    http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspo...ced.html#links

    The web page talks about melting casino dice and that the white pips on the dice are made of a heavier material that doesn't melt as easily as the cubes themselves. And the writer claims this makes the 5 and 6 faces of the dice heavier.

    If so, would this mean 1 and 2 are more likely to show face up?

    I took two casino dice and placed them with the 5 and 6 down. The top number is of course 3 since the opposite numbers of all dice add up to 7. So if the 5 and 6 were weighted, theoretically, a 7 would never show. But the craps number 3 would show up more often-- theoretically.

    Now, with 1 and 2 showing on top, here are the numbers that i would get on all four vertical sides without rotating the dice:

    4-1
    6-3

    by rotating the dice, keeping 1 and 2 on top, I can also get on the vertical:

    4-4
    4-6
    4-3
    5-1
    3-1
    2-1
    4-1

    now, with the dice showing 1-2 on top, just by rotating the die showing 2 by one face, I can get:

    1-1
    1-6
    1-5
    1-4

    and by rotating the die showing the 1 by one face I get:

    5-2
    2-2
    3-2
    4-2

    Now, with the one on top and rotating the die with the 2 showing by one face, I get these numbers:

    1-1
    1-6
    1-4
    1-3

    Now, with the two on top and rotating the die with 1 showing by one face, I get these numbers:

    5-2
    2-2
    3-2
    4-2

    Now, by the reasoning of the original writer, 6-6 should be the heaviest sides down. So let's show the numbers with one rotation with 6-6 on the bottom:

    1-1 on top

    rotating the right die by one face:

    1-3
    1-2
    1-4
    1-5


    rotating the left die by one face we obviously get the same results:

    1-3
    1-2
    1-4
    1-5

    That's a pretty good distribution of numbers with rotating each die one time, but it is not a complete distribution of numbers. There is no 5-5, there is no 3-3, there is no 5-3, there is no 3-5.

    Does it mean dice are in fact biased? I don't know. But I do think it's curious.
    Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 01-29-2013 at 07:23 AM.

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