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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Slot card use absolutely turns into an addiction.
    Absurd. I played at Bellagio without a card. I played at Wynn without a card. I played at Venetian without a card. Why? Because at Wynn and Venetian they were "one time visits" and at Bellagio I was afraid they'd throw me out. (LOL)

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    . Slot card use absolutely turns into an addiction.
    I have always used player's cards and I am not addicted. In fact, you play a lot more VP than I do.

  3. #23
    Hi Alan,

    No, I made no such attempt. It happened so fast and I was so shocked (and embarrased) that it didn't really occur to me to notify casino personnel. Of course, in retrospect I should have immediately done just that.

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Canucknut, I just need to know if you made any effort to contact security or the floor people... just in case they cashed out your credits and are holding them to be claimed??

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Absurd. I played at Bellagio without a card. I played at Wynn without a card. I played at Venetian without a card. Why? Because at Wynn and Venetian they were "one time visits" and at Bellagio I was afraid they'd throw me out. (LOL)
    Cmon Alan, try playing at your precious Ceasars without one. Then report back.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Vegas Vic View Post
    I have always used player's cards and I am not addicted. In fact, you play a lot more VP than I do.
    These days I may not. I'll put the same "challenge" to you: when you do go back to play, try not playing with your slot club cards during the trip. Betcha can't do it.

  6. #26
    Hi All,

    Regarding my decision not to use a slot club card: 1) I don't want the casino keeping specific tabs on what games I play and how I play. 2) Comps for video poker players at this casino absolutely suck. 3) My style of (fast) play doesn't lend itself well to the use of a club card for me. I'll easily cycle through 20+ machines 2, 3, or 4 times in a session.

    However, there was a time when I did use the club card religiously and I found that it did tend to promote addiction in me. But I would never claim that the use of a club card promotes addiction for everyone. There may be some who are disciplined enough not to get roped in by it; I don't personally know anyone like that but I'm willing to admit the possibility of it.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Cmon Alan, try playing at your precious Ceasars without one. Then report back.
    Well of course Im going to use my card at Caesars. This is the casino where I play, where I get my offers and my comps, and all of the fringe benefits of playing. When you have a casino you frequent of course you use their card.... except if you're Rob Singer.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by Canucknut View Post
    Hi Alan,

    No, I made no such attempt. It happened so fast and I was so shocked (and embarrased) that it didn't really occur to me to notify casino personnel. Of course, in retrospect I should have immediately done just that.
    Just in case, I would try now. At worst... maybe security can pull up the video of when you played and they can see who cashed out your money. At best, someone might recognize that person and if approached they might "do the right thing" and give you the cash.

    You might also see it was cashed out by a casino employee.

    You have NOTHING to lose and $2,080 to gain.
    Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 02-12-2013 at 10:13 PM.

  9. #29
    Welcome to the board Canucknut. Sorry about what happened to you what a kick in the head that is! You are now due a huge Royal to get that money back.
    Hey I have a question. Would you mind going over your strategy for me as it sounds interesting. I'm always looking for new approaches in my play and yours sounds like something I may want to try. Good luck in the future and again Welcome.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    These days I may not. I'll put the same "challenge" to you: when you do go back to play, try not playing with your slot club cards during the trip. Betcha can't do it.
    Why would anyone play without a card unless it is a one time visit? They are money in the bank. The fact Singer claims he often doesn't use a card just demonstrates a complete lack of intelligence.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
    Why would anyone play without a card unless it is a one time visit? They are money in the bank. The fact Singer claims he often doesn't use a card just demonstrates a complete lack of intelligence.
    Or a lot of discipline.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Or a lot of discipline.
    Only by those without any common sense.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Or a lot of discipline.
    Discipline? Just what kind of discipline are you talking about? Was the player's hand slapped repeatedly by his father for scratching his butt and so reaching for his wallet to retrieve a player's card reminds him of the hand slapping for his previous butt scratching?

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Discipline? Just what kind of discipline are you talking about? Was the player's hand slapped repeatedly by his father for scratching his butt and so reaching for his wallet to retrieve a player's card reminds him of the hand slapping for his previous butt scratching?
    I think it was a challenge. But from your replies, I think you guys must scratch your butt every time you scratch your face.

  15. #35
    Slingshot please give ONE reason not to play with your card other than:

    1. Rob says not to.
    2. Rob says it's addictive.
    3. Because the casinos want you to.
    4. Because I will never be able to get any benefits as I won't play enough and won't return

    Thanks

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Slingshot please give ONE reason not to play with your card other than:

    1. Rob says not to.
    2. Rob says it's addictive.
    3. Because the casinos want you to.
    4. Because I will never be able to get any benefits as I won't play enough and won't return

    Thanks
    Oh I use mine all the time. I think Rob was just trying to point out something . I AM able to leave a machine if it doesn't suit me and not continue playing just for the points.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    These days I may not. I'll put the same "challenge" to you: when you do go back to play, try not playing with your slot club cards during the trip. Betcha can't do it.
    Which addiction are you discussing: a) using a player's card leads to casino addiction (and the proverbial chasing of comps) or b) once you have entered the casino, you are addicted to using a card. These are 2 distinctly different things. Possessing and using a card doesn't make me go to a casino any more or less than what my gaming budget permits. Once I have made the decision to go (strictly based on my budget), using the card or not upon arrival is irrelevant. The decision already has been made, so it behooves me to use the card to garner whatever benefits are available. I contend the more serious addiction is going in the first place (and you have a longer history of entering casinos than I do).

  18. #38
    If you are disciplined, you should use the player's card in most situations.

    I will say this, however, in defense of Rob's attitude if not his instructions -- I have noticed more and more LV casinos, such as the Palms, are not only making point earnings tougher on the better payback machines, but they are actually excluding these machines entirely from all promos, even the small daily drawings. So folks who want to feel as if they have a shot at drawings and take-home minor trash have to make the decision to play inferior payback vp. Playing the better machines at the Palms is in essence the same as not using your card. You derive nothing from it other than providing the casino with your profile as someone who knows how to play.

    My point is that this is the direction in which slot clubs are headed. If you play the positive machines, you may as well not use your card. There is no point to it, and you may actually be hurting your offers.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    My point is that this is the direction in which slot clubs are headed. If you play the positive machines, you may as well not use your card. There is no point to it, and you may actually be hurting your offers.
    At Caesars Properties there are no penalties for playing the better machines, except that all video poker requires twice as much coin-in per point as regular slots... and it's a mystery what the point structure is for table games. But these are out of our control, as players. So the basic "rule" and strategy applies: always play with the card and get what you can along with your regular play.

    I think Rob has lumped-in card play with his anti-AP rant for no good reason. Except perhaps he himself fell victim to the addiction of slot club points when he was an "AP" and he thinks others will also fall victim to it. I think Rob fails to realize that others might be wiser than he was when he fell into his hole way back before he "saw the light."

  20. #40
    Look, Alan, Caesars' has no positive machines, so they don't really care if you're playing bad machines or badder machines, so to speak. But if you're playing at the Palms, or Station properties, the case can be made that the comp rate on 100%+ machines is so piddling that it actually is a negative to use your card when playing these machines. Why? Because it profiles you as a 100+% player and your offers get affected. You are probably better off not using your card and letting the marketing departments at Palms and Stations' guess as to whether you've quit playing altogether or you're sticking to table games or what.

    If you have a history with these companies, they will keep coming after you with offers. Don't let them pinpoint you as a knowledgeable player. Let them guess.

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