Losing $1 billion playing VP?

[Spock]

In all the systems I've seen points are added as soon as you hit deal, with your points based on coin in only. (I do seem to recall somewhere that used coin out, but I've never encountered that). If so, then pulling the card won't have any effect on point totals.

[arcimede$]

The machines I play have a double down feature activated. It doesn't matter what is dealt, the card can be played (even for royals).

Also remember most positive machines only have a small advantage. It doesn't take much to negate that advantage. I've actually seen people who pull their cards on dealt trips. It's really not necessary though, just pull it on dealt quads, FHs, flushes and straights and it will more than account for a small positive advantage.

[arcimede$]

In all the systems I've seen points are added as soon as you hit deal, with your points based on coin in only. (I do seem to recall somewhere that used coin out, but I've never encountered that). If so, then pulling the card won't have any effect on point totals.

It's not the coin-in that is the problem. We pull cards to reduce the coin-out making it look like a winning session is actually a loser.

[Alan Mendelson]

The double down feature on IGT machine stops working on any win of $10,000 or more. So there is no double up option on a $5 or higher royal. There is no double up allowed on quad aces with a kicker in double double bonus.

But most casinos today have disabled the double up feature because players have complained. At Caesars a couple of the machines in the "small dome" room had it enabled, but Caesars has been putting new machines in there and the double up feature can be disabled by the player on the first win. A screen pops up and asks the player if they want the double up feature.

None of the machines I play at Rincon have the double up feature enabled.

[Rob.Singer]

In all the systems I've seen points are added as soon as you hit deal, with your points based on coin in only. (I do seem to recall somewhere that used coin out, but I've never encountered that). If so, then pulling the card won't have any effect on point totals.

I just went to the grocery store across from Casino Fandango, so I stopped in to see how the point accumulation vs. the pulling of the card works. In their system, the points do not get added until the draw button is pushed, but I've seen it work as soon as the bet max/deal button is hit at different casinos also. At least I thiink I remember that at the Hard Rock. I bet on the $2 game (because it takes 5 vp dollars bet to get a point added) until I was dealt a winner (2 pr.), I pulled the card after holding the four cards, and when I put my card back in there were no points added. Maybe this means if a card is pulled at such a point then the win does not show up on the player's record?

[Vegas Vic]

It may have been her brain tumor that caused her to gamble away all that money.

http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/1...nto-a-gambler/


But what do these experts know when our resident expert on everything gaming related, Dr. Rob, knows without a doubt that it was the players card and the offers from the casino that did it.

[Alan Mendelson]

Wow, did you catch the first line of that story you posted Vegas Vic?

"...betting more than $1 billion and losing $3 billion over a decade."

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/1...#ixzz2LdKbs3wM

[arcimede$]

Ahhhhh the wonders of our media. How to get something completely wrong in one easy lesson.

[Alan Mendelson]

New problem:

I can't figure this out: how can you bet one billion and lose 3 billion? How can you lose more than you bet in a casino?

[arcimede$]

Alan, you can't. That's why this is just nonsense.

[Alan Mendelson]

Alan, you can't. That's why this is just nonsense.

It was a rhetorical question. :-)

[regnis]

It may have been her brain tumor that caused her to gamble away all that money.

http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/1...nto-a-gambler/


But what do these experts know when our resident expert on everything gaming related, Dr. Rob, knows without a doubt that it was the players card and the offers from the casino that did it.

Or grinding out the .025% positive play like an AP. Can't lose-lol

[regnis]

New problem:

I can't figure this out: how can you bet one billion and lose 3 billion? How can you lose more than you bet in a casino?

Reverse mail back--a new thing casinos are trying. You mail back extra $$ to the casino after every visit.

[arcimede$]

Or grinding out the .025% positive play like an AP. Can't lose-lol

I wouldn't even consider that a positive play. Probably less than a 50-50 chance of coming out ahead. I'll stick with the 1-2% edges. They work out quite nicely.

[Rob.Singer]

I wouldn't even consider that a positive play. Probably less than a 50-50 chance of coming out ahead. I'll stick with the 1-2% edges. They work out quite nicely.

So where's the pictures for proof Oh wait, the missus has the camera!

[arcimede$]

So where's the pictures for proof Oh wait, the missus has the camera!

The picture of the 6 winning tickets together is far more proof than a picture of a machine where anyone could have been playing. You're in full panic mode now after getting caught lying so many times.

[Rob.Singer]

No wonder fate dealt you such a cruel late-life hand arci. By the way you always get caught lying and then try to talk yourself out of it with bizarre justifications, you've actually brow-beat both of you into it. But please note that while your in there holding hands with your wife crying, we're holding hands as we walk along happily, planning our future together. Bottom lines hurt, don't they

[arcimede$]

I still wonder why Cindy wasn't listed on your new apartment in Scottsdale. Your obsession with telling everyone how great your life is actually makes it appear you are lying about that as well. Normal people don't obsess on things like that. This is coming from the guy that admitted he "chased skirts" in Vegas. Yup, your a shining example of fidelity and I have a feeling that eventually caught up to you.

[Rob.Singer]

Nope, that lie doesn't come close to mitigating THE BOTTOM LINE you have to live with, as punishment for what you've caused.

I tingle....

[Vegas Vic]

Wow, did you catch the first line of that story you posted Vegas Vic?

"...betting more than $1 billion and losing $3 billion over a decade."

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/1...#ixzz2LdKbs3wM

I was more interested in the gist of the story concerning a possible tumor. Earlier, I caught the end of an interview with her on the CBS evening news, searched the interwebs for additional reports and located a few..one of which was the link I provided. I just think that it is indeed possible that her gambling habits could have been a result of the tumor much more than Dr. Rob's assertion / accusation that the sole root of the problem was dependency upon her players card & casino promotions...which at this point is merely another of his many reckless statements that have no basis in fact.