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  1. #61
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    A couple of weeks ago, I hit 4 A's w/kicker on tdbp and ended up playing $500 of it back. Sad. So if you won't listen to a winner, listen to a loser
    I don't think that's so bad. You pocketed half of the big win (the equivalent of the royal) and played through half trying to win more. I wouldn't beat myself up over that. I would have done the same thing.

  2. #62
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Well, as my highest denom is only 25 cents-only a couple of hundred dollars. I would be ahead a couple of thousand if I had disciplined myself to leave when ahead. That's why I'm so adamant about it-leaving is the hardest lesson to learn and it's been my worst feat to conquer. So all I can relay is that HAD I QUIT when playing, I would be ahead a calculated $5000. There were two times I hit a Royal within 30 minutes and COULDN'T WALK. I have experienced what happens when you don't listen. I am a compulsive gambler trying to turn this thing around and the couple of hundred dollars may not seem like much to anyone-but it's a great feat for where I was headed. A couple of weeks ago, I hit 4 A's w/kicker on tdbp and ended up playing $500 of it back. Sad. So if you won't listen to a winner, listen to a loser
    slingshot,

    Putting all of the name calling, sarcasm and bluster aside, I'd like to offer the following advice. If you are indeed a compulsive gambler as you've stated, do yourself and everyone else in your life that you care about a favor- seek help and stop gambling altogether.

    Video poker played like Rob Singer. arcimede$ or Alan will not solve your problems. These guys are all sufficiently bankrolled. Everyone here would be millionaires if we all "knew when to quit" or "quit while we were ahead" during our gambling sessions.

  3. #63
    Originally Posted by a2a3dseddie View Post
    slingshot,

    Putting all of the name calling, sarcasm and bluster aside, I'd like to offer the following advice. If you are indeed a compulsive gambler as you've stated, do yourself and everyone else in your life that you care about a favor- seek help and stop gambling altogether.

    Video poker played like Rob Singer. arcimede$ or Alan will not solve your problems. These guys are all sufficiently bankrolled. Everyone here would be millionaires if we all "knew when to quit" or "quit while we were ahead" during our gambling sessions.
    A valid point and thanks for the concern. I was a reject on my football team-the players made fun of me and even dragged me by the head between their legs in the gym. I overexerted myself during the buildup programs and the next year I was suddenly a force to be dealt with. I had a smoking problem and by sheer determination took care of that. I could go on, but after trying to DISPROVE Rob's strategy I found out I had a problem. And if it hadn't been for the 30 or more Royals over the past 5 years.....well, let's just say someone's been watching over me. Therein lies the crux of the matter. I never lost enough to say that's it. But Rob brought the inevitable fact to the forefront and when I saw the truth I changed many things. It's not a 3 times a week thing anymore, for one.

  4. #64
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I don't think that's so bad. You pocketed half of the big win (the equivalent of the royal) and played through half trying to win more. I wouldn't beat myself up over that. I would have done the same thing.
    I disagree. It becomes HABIT after a while. A saner version is to take $100 and try short bursts of play on my favorite games-and with-yes-a win goal. And if you CAN leave after losing that-maybe a good idea.

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by a2a3dseddie View Post
    OK then, let's rephrase the question. How much money are you (slingshot or Alan) ahead overall by using win goals, loss limits and Rob Singer's strategies?
    Maybe the better question is how much more they would have lost without those win goals and loss limits.

  6. #66
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Thus the reason for win goals
    Do you try to make illogical claims or does it just come naturally?

  7. #67
    I'd like to flip this around a bit:

    Originally Posted by a2a3dseddie View Post
    OK then, let's rephrase the question. How much money are you (slingshot or Alan) ahead overall by using win goals, loss limits and Rob Singer's strategies?
    Let me change the question to this: Can you tell me how much you are ahead overall by not using Rob Singer's strategies? I don't think you can quantify it, can you?

    Personally, I don't use his strategies whether they be special plays or ARTT or SRTT or Super Duper RATTATAT but I do use win goals and loss limits. The play strategy I use is what is called "conventional" or the same as taught by Dancer and Grochowski. Grochowski's book was the first I bought. I've used all sorts of practice software.

    I think it would be impossible for me to tell you if I would be better off or worse off had I used Singer's systems. And this is because I can't go back and repeat the play for each individual hand in the same sequence of hands, etc.

    So I think the question is argumentative only.

  8. #68
    I think Alan may be pulling our legs two ways.

    First, he undoubtedly realizes that what he just said is fully applicable to win goals and stop losses. Would he have been better off or worse not using win goals and stop losses? We don't know, so championing win goals and stop losses is simply argumentative.

    Second, Alan has been "getting the math" when it comes to stating that the 45,000 hands Rob played are proof of nothing, and perceptions of what's happened in your personal play are just, as courts would say, anecdotal evidence and also proof of nothing. Of course, we all know this same phrasing can be directly applied to win goals and loss limits. Personal histories with them are not much evidence of anything, and personal perceptions of what win goals/loss limits accomplished are not evidence that they work.

    Since Arci may be on vacation, I felt obligated as "Arci's 'spamming' 25-cent sock puppet" to state the obvious. Cheers!

  9. #69
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I think Alan may be pulling our legs two ways.

    First, he undoubtedly realizes that what he just said is fully applicable to win goals and stop losses. Would he have been better off or worse not using win goals and stop losses? We don't know, so championing win goals and stop losses is simply argumentative.

    Second, Alan has been "getting the math" when it comes to stating that the 45,000 hands Rob played are proof of nothing, and perceptions of what's happened in your personal play are just, as courts would say, anecdotal evidence and also proof of nothing. Of course, we all know this same phrasing can be directly applied to win goals and loss limits. Personal histories with them are not much evidence of anything, and personal perceptions of what win goals/loss limits accomplished are not evidence that they work.

    Since Arci may be on vacation, I felt obligated as "Arci's 'spamming' 25-cent sock puppet" to state the obvious. Cheers!
    Arci on "vacation"?

    It makes no sense to claim past results utilizing any particular method consistently is not evidence. First, I agree 45000 hands is too small a sample to be certain of any anomaly or whatever. But it sure beats your "tested genius'" claim that a few hundred hands I played with the vp.com administrator is "proof" that I'm wrong. That's why I didn't give it up and went thru considerable trouble to get and test a billion+ hands on a new machine.

    Next, these stop win/loss goals are a player's only chance to win overall & consistently. Just put your thinking cap on. When you win $500 or whatever amount of money from a machine, what does the casino want and/or expect every gambler who wins do? YES. You got it! THEY WANT YOU TO KEEP PLAYING! And why would that be....so you could beat the odds AGAIN when not playing one of my strategies and win even more of their money (which as every vp player knows, overwhelmingly does not happen)? Of course not...and you know why. So please wise up.

  10. #70
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Arci on "vacation"?

    It makes no sense to claim past results utilizing any particular method consistently is not evidence. First, I agree 45000 hands is too small a sample to be certain of any anomaly or whatever. But it sure beats your "tested genius'" claim that a few hundred hands I played with the vp.com administrator is "proof" that I'm wrong. That's why I didn't give it up and went thru considerable trouble to get and test a billion+ hands on a new machine.

    Next, these stop win/loss goals are a player's only chance to win overall & consistently. Just put your thinking cap on. When you win $500 or whatever amount of money from a machine, what does the casino want and/or expect every gambler who wins do? YES. You got it! THEY WANT YOU TO KEEP PLAYING! And why would that be....so you could beat the odds AGAIN when not playing one of my strategies and win even more of their money (which as every vp player knows, overwhelmingly does not happen)? Of course not...and you know why. So please wise up.
    Rob,

    On another post I asked the following question but didn't get a response from you.

    I too would like to win $1 million dollars, but I don't want to do it over 10 years. I want to do it within 1 year. I would have the same bankroll as you had and play as you instruct. Since I don't want to fly back to Canada after every $2500 win, I would fly out once a month for 10 months. My goal is to win 40 X $2500 each time I'm out. After each $2500 goal, I'll take a break and start over.

    Is this possible?

  11. #71
    Originally Posted by a2a3dseddie View Post
    Rob,

    On another post I asked the following question but didn't get a response from you.

    I too would like to win $1 million dollars, but I don't want to do it over 10 years. I want to do it within 1 year. I would have the same bankroll as you had and play as you instruct. Since I don't want to fly back to Canada after every $2500 win, I would fly out once a month for 10 months. My goal is to win 40 X $2500 each time I'm out. After each $2500 goal, I'll take a break and start over.

    Is this possible?
    First, it's not a $2500 win each and every time. That's the all-important stop-win goal that in most of my wins, was surpassed by at least a thousand dollars and at other times, much more than that. There are also losing sessions to consider--around 15% of the time.

    But now to the question you're asking: yes, of course. If you prepare for, approach, and play my SPS strategy EXACTLY as I've developed & played it, I have very little doubt you would win somewhere around what I did after 40 sessions and there's a good probability you'd win more or even much more. I set my stop-playing goal at either $1million or the day I turned 60, and 60 won by $16,000.

    If someone came to me and said & showed me they had the required $171,600 bankroll and desired to go after the machines with the same vigor & passion as I had done, I would spend a month of my time training them--and only for expenses. But as I've always done, I would also let the player know if I felt they just didn't have the playing aptitude to be playing vp for profit. And it's not always clear cut. For example, Frank Kneeland, with all that intellect, would never have been able to be successful with it. He smokes, he drinks, and he's extremely quirky and frankly, I have no idea how he'd play if he were playing with his own money. Neither would Jean Scott. Bob Dancer would. In other words, not many fit the mold. It takes a hugely capable multi-tasking & mathematically inclined mind with a life the player is at peace with to do this right.

    Finally, you'd probably ask, why did I play for 10 years and no more than once a week to accomplish this? That's easy. My family always came first, and being that I spent the majority of my work life in other parts of the world away from them, my first goal when playing was to get home after one session ASAP, and since I always drove and am the type who loved to enjoy the win during that drive home & in-between trips, this type of set-up was as good as it gets for me. Others may have different circumstances but those were mine.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 07-18-2013 at 11:42 PM.

  12. #72
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    First, it's not a $2500 win each and every time. That's the all-important stop-win goal that in most of my wins, was surpassed by at least a thousand dollars and at other times, much more than that. There are also losing sessions to consider--around 15% of the time.

    But now to the question you're asking: yes, of course. If you prepare for, approach, and play my SPS strategy EXACTLY as I've developed & played it, I have very little doubt you would win somewhere around what I did after 40 sessions and there's a good probability you'd win more or even much more. I set my stop-playing goal at either $1million or the day I turned 60, and 60 won by $16,000.

    If someone came to me and said & showed me they had the required $171,600 bankroll and desired to go after the machines with the same vigor & passion as I had done, I would spend a month of my time training them--and only for expenses. But as I've always done, I would also let the player know if I felt they just didn't have the playing aptitude to be playing vp for profit. And it's not always clear cut. For example, Frank Kneeland, with all that intellect, would never have been able to be successful with it. He smokes, he drinks, and he's extremely quirky and frankly, I have no idea how he'd play if he were playing with his own money. Neither would Jean Scott. Bob Dancer would. In other words, not many fit the mold. It takes a hugely capable multi-tasking & mathematically inclined mind with a life the player is at peace with to do this right.

    Finally, you'd probably ask, why did I play for 10 years and no more than once a week to accomplish this? That's easy. My family always came first, and being that I spent the majority of my work life in other parts of the world away from them, my first goal when playing was to get home after one session ASAP, and since I always drove and am the type who loved to enjoy the win during that drive home & in-between trips, this type of set-up was as good as it gets for me. Others may have different circumstances but those were mine.
    Not to mention keeping your mind fresh, clearing the smoke outta your lungs, etc.....

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