Another one......

[mr jjj]

These are great, I love it.

We'll take two guys. One guy has never played roulette in his life, knows little about the game. The other guy has played roulette for 30 years, knows every tiny detail of the game. Has seen it all, lots of experience etc.

They both get a 10K BR (roulette only). They both have to bet 3 numbers every spin. Yes, they can chart numbers FIRST if they so desire.

All bets must be $10 per, no more and no less. So, both guys should lose their BR around the SAME time, correct? Maybe not on the same day but close, correct? If "maybe not", why? (No, there is not a tilted wheel, cough)

Ken

[arcimede$]

Variance variance variance.

[mr jjj]

"Variance variance variance" >>> I love how some posters dance around the question. Should both guys lose their BR around the same time?

In terms of trials (your variance BS), this TEST would be done over 100 trials, same rules. So maybe 50/50? The newbie would blow his BR around half of the time FASTER than the other guy, correct?

Ken

[arcimede$]

You ask a specific question and you received the correct answer as to why they would not necessarily go bankrupt at the same time. Are you another mathematically challenged dude?

[Vegas_lover]

Variance/luck might actually result in quite a difference in time before both lose their bankroll. I really don't see a lof of skill involved in playing roulette, It is what it is "a true game of chance". I regularly see people get all frustrated about playing a certain number for 20 or more spins. And just when they stop betting that number it hits. Then they claim the game is rigged, I would just call it tuff luck. Just my two cents.

[mr jjj]

"You ask a specific question and you received the correct answer as to why they would not necessarily go bankrupt at the same time. Are you another mathematically challenged dude?" >>> You answered with one word....variance. I bit vague, no? So I thought, ok, the question is now OVER 100 trials instead of one.

That way, I dont have to hear about one guy getting REAL LUCKY during one of the trials. Since you are a coward, I'll answer it the way YOU WOULD ANSWER >> Yes Ken, over the 100 trials, it'll end up around 50/50, one guy does not have an ADVANTAGE over the other. (was that so tough?)


Do I agree with you? Of course not.

Ken

[mr jjj]

The real truth.....you dont actually believe its 50/50 but the anti-method AGENDA has to stay alive. Its funny how the guys that are anti-methods, just so happen to of spent the LEAST amount of TIME studying roulette. Hmmmm.....

Ken

[Alan Mendelson]

mr jjj the point is, if I may speak for the others, is that we recognize that if you have two guys each making 3 $10 bets, one of those guys is going to get lucky and hit. The player who gets lucky might get very lucky and break the casino, or both guys might both be unlucky and bust at the same time. So "variance" is really the shorthanded way to respond to your question.

But you haven't answered mine: what makes any particular number show using your method? Why would the third number in a "street" come up on the next spin to make it worthwhile that I bet on it? Does the wheel or ball have a memory? Does the wheel or a ball follow a pattern? Are numbers due?

[Vegas_lover]

Backing out of this one. Not too comfortable with the direction it's heading.

[Alan Mendelson]

Backing out of this one. Not too comfortable with the direction it's heading.

Curious, why? What am I missing.

By the way: I did check mr jjj and his IP address and it is unique for all of the participants on the forum... just in case anyone is wondering.

[mr jjj]

mr jjj the point is, if I may speak for the others, is that we recognize that if you have two guys each making 3 $10 bets, one of those guys is going to get lucky and hit. The player who gets lucky might get very lucky and break the casino, or both guys might both be unlucky and bust at the same time. So "variance" is really the shorthanded way to respond to your question.

But you haven't answered mine: what makes any particular number show using your method? Why would the third number in a "street" come up on the next spin to make it worthwhile that I bet on it? Does the wheel or ball have a memory? Does the wheel or a ball follow a pattern? Are numbers due? >>>>>>>>>


I answered you already but I can do so AGAIN, no problem. I agree with you, one guy might get LUCKY and that throws everything off, I AGREE !!!!!


But I said over 100 trials. So are you saying the same guy would get lucky over ALL 100 trials? Do I hear 500 trials?

"come up on the next spin?" >>> (I dont use the word DUE, ever) I answered this TWICE, TWICE, TWICE but thats cool. I never said a particular number *WILL* hit on the next spin, show me where I said that please. I look at whats best to bet over "X" number of spins, not the next spin. There are 12 streets (actually more but we'll say 12, I dont want your head to explode), you will not have a LONG STRETCH of numbers without a COMPLETE street hitting.

You forgot something I said a few days ago. You guys will not scare me away. Ban me if you need to but I won't shut-up, aint gonna happen. I win and you dont. Accept this and move on. Dont blame me for your failings at roulette. I have put in THOUSANDS THOUSANDS of hours TESTING/STUDYING this game, how much time have you put in? Just curious.

I'm off to meet up with the woman.....buffet at the casino. Oh Oh, the casino. Roulette will pay for our meals, again. Thank God for gamblers fallacy. I owe ya one J.C.

Ken

[Alan Mendelson]

You're not going to get banned here for coming up with controversial ideas.

I have this question: since roulette is a one spin, or one bet at a time game, what good is your "method" if it can't tell me that the number will hit on the next spin?

In craps, a bet on the 4, for example, can survive indefinitely even if a shooter fails to roll a 4. But in roulette, a bet on 4 must hit on the next spin or the wager is lost.

[regnis]

He won't need to be banned. Eventually he will be ignored because his system and claims are so ridiculous. his act is already old. He makes Rob's system and claims look like the goods.

I should add that I believe he may have won at times--but that is blind luck as the math is the math and, barring a biased wheel or dealer, the system is rubbish.

[arcimede$]

"You ask a specific question and you received the correct answer as to why they would not necessarily go bankrupt at the same time. Are you another mathematically challenged dude?" >>> You answered with one word....variance. I bit vague, no? So I thought, ok, the question is now OVER 100 trials instead of one.

If you understood anything about random trials the one word was completely sufficient. But, have you asked any questions? All you do is assert silly nonsense that is laughable to anyone with a brain. Heck, you can't even figure out how to use the quote facility.

That way, I dont have to hear about one guy getting REAL LUCKY during one of the trials. Since you are a coward, I'll answer it the way YOU WOULD ANSWER >> Yes Ken, over the 100 trials, it'll end up around 50/50, one guy does not have an ADVANTAGE over the other. (was that so tough?)

No, that is not how any person with any mathematics training would answer. That is why variance is important. It has nothing to do with an advantage.

Do I agree with you? Of course not.

Ken

Gee, what a surprise. Some obviously clueless dude comes along and claims they are smarter than all the mathematicians in the world.

[arcimede$]

He won't need to be banned. Eventually he will be ignored because his system and claims are so ridiculous. his act is already old. He makes Rob's system and claims look like the goods.

I should add that I believe he may have won at times--but that is blind luck as the math is the math and, barring a biased wheel or dealer, the system is rubbish.

There's another possibility. There are people that claim you can "read" dealers. He may very well have run into some dealer bias situations and by tracking the events he has stumbled onto a technique that deciphers the bias. Not likely, but still a possibility.

[Alan Mendelson]

Dealer bias and signature numbers in roulette are real. I've written about this several times. I was at a demonstration at a Strip Casino where a dealer was able to target a group of four numbers and hit it. As I said, this was for "demonstration purposes only" but it happened.

I am not a roulette player myself (okay, played it twice) and I think there are house rules about how a dealer is supposed to release the ball without looking at the wheel. Can someone confirm this?

Oh, and about the two times I was at a roulette table:
1. My very first time in my life in Vegas. My girl friend bet $5 on red. She missed. We went to dinner.
2. About 8 years ago I went to LV during Memorial Weekend so my son could get a free room with his GF. (I had to be there.) I had a very small budget for the trip since I was there the week before with my wife. I lost my budgeted amount on the first day and couldn't get a flight out because of the holiday. So with $20 went to roulette and bet red or black and built it up to $80. Then went to a craps table and caught a hot roll (another player shot). And I was back in business.

[mr jjj]

"You're not going to get banned here for coming up with controversial ideas" >>> Thats cool but I won't be scared off, that I know. I have an idea.....why dont I get together all of my PROFITS over the years and give it back to the casino? Maybe start from scratch.

Ken

[mr jjj]

"I have this question: since roulette is a one spin, or one bet at a time game, what good is your "method" if it can't tell me that the number will hit on the next spin" >>> I assume you are not messing with me and you are serious with this question. I have had dozens of anti-method guys on me for years and not one of them has ever asked regarding the NEXT spin, never. They have attacked regarding results over "X" number of spins, I admit that. I have never heard the.....next spin debate before.

Ken

[mr jjj]

"By the way: I did check mr jjj and his IP address and it is unique for all of the participants on the forum... just in case anyone is wondering" >>> Say what?? (lol)

Ken

[mr jjj]

"In craps, a bet on the 4, for example, can survive indefinitely even if a shooter fails to roll a 4. But in roulette, a bet on 4 must hit on the next spin or the wager is lost" >>> Like I said, I know NOTHING in regards to craps, so I cant really relate. As for roulette, why must my #4 HIT on the next spin or I lose the wager, says who?

Ken