More Absolute Proof VP "AP's" Are Nothing But Liars

[Rob.Singer]

I am able to separate Dancer's advice from his promotional talk. Can't you? I also can separate Rob's solid advice from his promotional talk.

Alan, I believe most people can't--or don't want to separate Dancer and his bloviating when it comes to vp. They just want to win, and when he can create a belief in he himself being a winner, then all they want to do is Be Like Mike. Nothing else matters.

It's way different with me. I only promote discipline, bankroll, aptitude, common sense, bold truthful talk,and where decent living can lead someone. Many of the people I've trained have met my wife, either on trips or at my home. Some have met my daughter and grandkids. They see someone with good family values who actually wants to help players do better and enjoy the game more because I've found success with it--and never for any charge. Compare any of that to what you get with Dancer. Sure, some people like arci like to lie about me and my family and what I've done, but that's only because how badly their lives turned out and how much disbelief they have that a professional gambler in vp can have such a normal life. It has to be very disheartening.

[redietz]

I don't know how you can possibly separate promotional talk from advice or even what that means exactly. What do you mean, Alan? For example, do you believe Dancer's estimates of drawing odds? Are those estimates promotional talk or advice?

[Alan Mendelson]

Alan, I believe most people can't--or don't want to separate Dancer and his bloviating when it comes to vp.

I don't know how you can possibly separate promotional talk from advice or even what that means exactly. What do you mean, Alan? For example, do you believe Dancer's estimates of drawing odds? Are those estimates promotional talk or advice?

I doubt Dancer is going to lie about the math in video poker, or about other gems of advice such as this one which I will never forget:

Dancer question: When you are dealt a King high straight flush do you hold it or draw for the royal?

Correct answer from Dancer: It depends on the game.

Explanation: In deuces wild you try for the Royal since a straight flush in DW pays so little. In other games you hold the SF.

Now, does it matter to me that Dancer went through a divorce, had an affair, his ex wife hit the $400,000 royal or that he almost got mugged and robbed and defrauded during a trip to Atlantic City to meet with a con artist? No it doesn't. And I can separate the factual info from the BS.

If there is any doubt about the "math" there are many other sources for confirming it. And frankly, there are many other sources to also confirm his correct video poker strategy.

[regnis]

First guy I worked for was a class A bastard. He was mean, viscious, ill tempered, etc. He cheated on his wife and his girlfriends, and he overbilled. When he walked in the office every day you could see in his eyes if he was in a mood and was gonna kill you. We would grab our files and run to the law library to avoid him.

He also was an absolute genius from whom I learned everyrthing I know about my practice. So again, I absolutely hated him and couldn't wait to leave his employ. But I left with all the knowledge and skills that I would have had a hard time getting elsewhere.

So I watched and listened and learned, despite the fact that he was the scum of the earth in his personal and professional affairs.

Side note--

I didn't take any of his clients with me, but I did screw his wife.

[Alan Mendelson]

How about this one, Rob: I learned from you even though you can be an ass sometimes.

[slingshot]

I can't believe all I've read. Keep up the good work, Rob. Geez.

[Rob.Singer]

Alan, being an Internet ass is a requirement in this day and age. Being an ass in real life most definitely isn't. I have always done what is necessary.

Dancer is an ass in the virtual world as well as in the real world. With whom would you rather be friends, and which of the two would you most likely trust to tell the truth about ANYTHING? (And, which one would you most trust your wife with??)

[redietz]

You did not answer, Alan. Do you believe Dancer's estimates of drawing odds? These odds have become more and more an integral part of his deciding whether or not he should play various games in various casinos. Nobody else furnishes estimates on these odds, and there are no ways to confirm whether he's correct or not. So do you believe he really, precisely, knows the drawing odds, or is the inclusion of drawings just a way to (1) justify his playing negative games and (2) justify to his readers reasons to play negative games?

So are the drawing odds factual info or BS? Not as easy to discern as Alan's says.

[Alan Mendelson]

You did not answer, Alan. Do you believe Dancer's estimates of drawing odds?

It's a moot point. I don't play in those casinos, I don't take part in those promotions, and I have never gone to a casino with the intent of playing only because of such drawings. Again, I look to Dancer for info about how to play video poker. However, it does humor me that he takes a bath on these promotions.

Let's just say he knows his video poker, but he's nuts throwing money after drawings the way he does.

[redietz]

Well, it's not a moot point to Dancer's other readers, and that's my (moot) point. And still you avoid the question, into which category do you place those drawing odds estimates -- BS or "factual info?"

You seem to be struggling with the answer, even as you previously said you can tell the difference between the two with Dancer.

[Alan Mendelson]

I am not struggling with the answer. I am sure his odds are close and I am sure he has an advantage. It doesn't mean he is going to win. It's the same when you sit down at a positive expectation video poker machine... are you guaranteed you will win? Ask Rob about that. Ask Arc about that. It's still gambling... when you sit at a machine with an RNG or take part in a drawing... it's all gambling. You take your chances.

[a2a3dseddie]

Dancer is a liar and failure in life. What else do you need to know to evaluate what he sells and says about the vp business?

Didn't Abraham Lincoln own slaves?

[Rob.Singer]

Tournament distortions are not the only "guesstimates" players like Dancer include in their "positive play" creations. My column constantly blasted these people for manufacturing such things out of thin air, in order that they could continue banging away at the machines in the midst of vowing never to play again once the pure "+EV" games disappeared. Jean Scott's on record saying a sunny day and her hosts' smiles figure into the formula, as does the value of the coupons she finds via dumpster-diving, and how many free rolls she can stuff into her purse from the lunch & dinner buffets.

If anything, the antics of these people were a ton of fun to write about, as they were the true definition of the gifts that keep on giving. Now, deep into his declining years with virtually nothing at all to show for all his wasted hours at the poker machines, we get to watch the "expert" close out his vp days desperately manufacture "plays" that are not really there, with his only satisfaction being legions of dumb minions that he believes believe in him....and Bonnie's left hand that more likely than not just tweeted with some casino executive.

[quahaug]

Didn't Abraham Lincoln own slaves?

No, he did not.

[Alan Mendelson]

No, he did not.

George Washington did. Should we talk about Thomas Jefferson?

[regnis]

Didn't Abraham Lincoln own slaves?

He had a good financial advisor. He leased with an option to own.

[Vegas_lover]

Why don't we just talk about the next/upcoming episode of "watching grass grow"? That's got to be way more interesting than all the previous blablabla of a certain gentleman.

[Alan Mendelson]

I have two clients selling artificial turf.

[redietz]

Alan is sure Dancer's estimates are close when it comes to drawings odds. Now this is my point -- why does Alan believe this? Because Dancer has been above board in his reportage of video poker happenings? Because Dancer has been above board in his reportage of the details of his life?

There seems to be some assumption that spotty, distorted reportage of one's personal life has absolutely no relationship to how one reports one's gambling life. So we are to conclude that despite Dancer's twisted reportage of his personal stuff, he's pristinely accurate when discussing video poker and gambling.

Why would anyone believe that?

[Alan Mendelson]

redietz, this is really too much and absolutely over the line. You have an axe to grind against Dancer. I suggest you contact Dancer or post your comments on a forum where he participates.