Rob Singer has been banned.

[seemoreroyals]

Let us know when you have that figured out. I'll buy your first copy of the training program.

Isn't that information already provided on one of Rob Singers tapes?

[Alan Mendelson]

Isn't that information already provided on one of Rob Singers tapes?

I don't think so.

[Count Room]

I don't think so.

The information as to how to press the DEAL/DRAW button at the right time may not be on Singer's tapes, but I have read his old articles extensively years ago and I came across some amazing stories.

More than once I have seen where he hit a royal within the first few hands after starting play. (At least twice within the first two hands of play in a session)

One session stood out. My memory is vague but he mentioned something about taking an AmEx card and just having $100 cash with him. He had some sort of small casino coupon to cash out on top of this, so on a lark he plays $2 BP with the coupon and hits a royal on the second hand played. I don't remember all the details after this, but I think he deposited the $8,000 at a nearby bank and went back to Arizona or somesuch.

Singer has claimed that he is not luckier than any of the rest of us, but if he has a penchant for hitting royals such as this...maybe he understands something about when to press that DEAL/DRAW button that we don't??

[Alan Mendelson]

Singer has claimed that he is not luckier than any of the rest of us, but if he has a penchant for hitting royals such as this...maybe he understands something about when to press that DEAL/DRAW button that we don't??

How about my "penchant" for hitting the button at the right time? I was dealt a royal on a 50-play machine, and at Rincon for a $36,000 progressive. I would be happy to give you the details of how to do it, but the supporting data is locked in my storage locker. Oops. I just remembered that I forgot to pay the rent on that storage locker and I expect it to show up on Storage Wars soon. Do you think Barry, Brandi and Jarrod will know how valuable that secret report is?

[Count Room]

Oops. I just remembered that I forgot to pay the rent on that storage locker and I expect it to show up on Storage Wars soon. Do you think Barry, Brandi and Jarrod will know how valuable that secret report is?

Maybe, but only if they find a fresh pack of Speedoes in there

[arcimede$]

It would be an interesting study by a mental health student. Put together all of Singer's claims over the years and determine the probability that all of those events would happen to an individual. I suspect it would be less likely than winning Powerball.

[quahaug]

It would be an interesting study by a mental health student. Put together all of Singer's claims over the years and determine the probability that all of those events would happen to an individual. I suspect it would be less likely than winning Powerball.

Probably true, BUT someone does win Powerball and it ain't me. (I don't play)

[arcimede$]

Probably true, BUT someone does win Powerball and it ain't me. (I don't play)

Millions of people play Powerball leading to the odds of a winner greatly increasing. Only Singer plays his system (since he's never documented all of his special plays), so the comparison is not really valid. You have to think in terms of any individual winning Powerball.

[Vegas Vic]

The information as to how to press the DEAL/DRAW button at the right time may not be on Singer's tapes, but I have read his old articles extensively years ago and I came across some amazing stories.

More than once I have seen where he hit a royal within the first few hands after starting play. (At least twice within the first two hands of play in a session)

One session stood out. My memory is vague but he mentioned something about taking an AmEx card and just having $100 cash with him. He had some sort of small casino coupon to cash out on top of this, so on a lark he plays $2 BP with the coupon and hits a royal on the second hand played. I don't remember all the details after this, but I think he deposited the $8,000 at a nearby bank and went back to Arizona or somesuch.

Singer has claimed that he is not luckier than any of the rest of us, but if he has a penchant for hitting royals such as this...maybe he understands something about when to press that DEAL/DRAW button that we don't??

I've hit 30 royals in just over 10 years of playing VP and only one was dealt to me. That one, btw, came on the very first play on that machine. In fact, I wasn't even paying attention after I pushed the button because I was adjusting my chair. Now, my deep, dark, never-before-revealed secret to getting those other royals:

I hit the draw button.

Other than that, I've got nothing.

[slingshot]

(1 It's being at the right machine at the right time.
(2 Study all the math, tables, charts you want-they don't matter
(3 All plays depend on win goals and where you're at in the strategy
(4 Anything can happen at any time
(5 Short-term strategy is not what the casino wants to see
Been nice knowing you guys. Sorry we couldn't see eye to eye.

[Count Room]

I've hit 30 royals in just over 10 years of playing VP and only one was dealt to me. That one, btw, came on the very first play on that machine. In fact, I wasn't even paying attention after I pushed the button because I was adjusting my chair. Now, my deep, dark, never-before-revealed secret to getting those other royals:

I hit the draw button.

Other than that, I've got nothing.

Vegas Vic:

Actually, you just explained the secret that may work for you: When you are losing a string of hands, just let go of the button, adjust your chair for a few seconds, and resume! Rinse and repeat as needed.

There could be some archaic explanation such that movement of your hips stimulated blood flow for a few moments through your arm & button pressing hand, enabling the newly-dilated blood vessels to relax momentarily and to unconsciously press the button at a more pleasurable time..

EDIT: Keep in mind you don't have to hit a royal every time you were sloshing around adjusting your chair. If you had 300 chair adjustments and 299 were total misses (with nary a paying pair!) and one was a royal, it's still a +EV button-timing preparation movement, isn't it?

[Alan Mendelson]

vegas vic:

Actually, you just explained the secret that may work for you: When you are losing a string of hands, just let go of the button, adjust your chair for a few seconds, and resume! Rinse and repeat as needed.

There could be some archaic explanation such that movement of your hips stimulated blood flow for a few moments through your arm & button pressing hand, enabling the newly-dilated blood vessels to relax momentarily and to unconsciously press the button at a more pleasurable time..

Edit: Keep in mind you don't have to hit a royal every time you were sloshing around adjusting your chair. If you had 300 chair adjustments and 299 were total misses (with nary a paying pair!) and one was a royal, it's still a +ev button-timing preparation movement, isn't it?

winner winner winner "super advantage play strategy of the week" winner winner winner

Also one of the funniest things I ever read.

[quahaug]

Millions of people play Powerball leading to the odds of a winner greatly increasing. Only Singer plays his system (since he's never documented all of his special plays), so the comparison is not really valid. You have to think in terms of any individual winning Powerball.

Well, I still think He should buy Me a ticket, just in case.

[redietz]

Rob Singer is rude, obnoxious, and promoting things that simply shouldn't work. Having said that, the strategies he promotes are only marginally inferior to optimal strategies, and his overall philosophy, in my estimation, may indeed lead to a lifetime smaller loss due to less chair time and the fact that casinos would view that kind of player as an impulsive high-stakes person and comp them out the wazoo.

Now, for the trick questions for the people on this gambling forum. How many here have spent more time in Las Vegas than Rob? How many here have gambled more than Rob? How many know more administrative people in the industry than Rob? How many had daily discussions with people who were publishing something for decades in LV and had their finger on every pulse in the city?

Never good to lose someone like that from a forum. The reason I disagree with the decision is simple, and I had called for Rob to be either toned down or banned previously. I think the stuff he said previously about Arci or various others was ten times worse than what he was spouting about Alan. So Alan banning him for what he said recently was like incarcerating a guy for smoking weed after letting him go free for a couple of carjackings and homicides.

It just so happened he was smoking Alan's weed.


P.S. Plus I'm a big believer in freedom of speech being something that doesn't have two categories -- one for freedom of speech about others and one for freedom of speech about me.

[Alan Mendelson]

I think your comments are fair and valid and I would like to respond:

Rob Singer is rude, obnoxious, and promoting things that simply shouldn't work. Having said that, the strategies he promotes are only marginally inferior to optimal strategies, and his overall philosophy, in my estimation, may indeed lead to a lifetime smaller loss due to less chair time and the fact that casinos would view that kind of player as an impulsive high-stakes person and comp them out the wazoo.

I agree with you. While I never adopted his "special plays" I did follow the idea of win goals and I can honestly say it improved my bottom line. I also used rising stop losses which Rob never accepted but that didn't surprise me because it was either Rob's way or the highway.

Now, for the trick questions for the people on this gambling forum. How many here have spent more time in Las Vegas than Rob? How many here have gambled more than Rob?

I certainly haven't. Now what is his definition of an addict?

How many know more administrative people in the industry than Rob? How many had daily discussions with people who were publishing something for decades in LV and had their finger on every pulse in the city?

Never good to lose someone like that from a forum. The reason I disagree with the decision is simple, and I had called for Rob to be either toned down or banned previously. I think the stuff he said previously about Arci or various others was ten times worse than what he was spouting about Alan. So Alan banning him for what he said recently was like incarcerating a guy for smoking weed after letting him go free for a couple of carjackings and homicides.

It just so happened he was smoking Alan's weed.


P.S. Plus I'm a big believer in freedom of speech being something that doesn't have two categories -- one for freedom of speech about others and one for freedom of speech about me.

Some of the points you raise here, though valid, are not significant as far as the decision to ban Rob. I have known Rob for a long, long time and had many personal phone conversations with him pleading with him to ease up on his personal attacks. Yes, his attacks on me were the last straw. And you're correct -- the attacks he made on others were more severe and by themselves were enough to justify a ban. But I kept giving him a break... and another break... and another break... and finally I couldn't do it anymore.

Instead of sending me a phone text threatening me, Rob could have sent me a text that simply said "I'm sorry."

Think of it this way: Al Capone was finally sent to prison on tax evasion.

[regnis]

I tend to agree with Red here. However, it really appears as if Rob was losing it these last few weeks. He was just argumentative for the sake of argument, and had lost any credibility. I actually was a little concerned for his well being based upon his posts those last few weeks. He really was unraveling. While I also believe free speech is free speech-- the caveat is that while I find Arci to be irritating, the health of his wife should be off limits. I don't mind the other personal attacks where they relate in any way to VP, but health of one's wife has no place here.

[Count Room]

winner winner winner "super advantage play strategy of the week" winner winner winner

Also one of the funniest things I ever read.

This may come across as a shock, Alan, but I was actually being semi-serious. Beyond a certain plateau of skill level in video poker, the conventional wisdom is that there is absolutely no way to improve your game beyond using either conventional +EV strategy or one of Rob's systems/special plays/whatever (ie. you can't possibly time button presses).

But how do we really know this for sure? Unless you find a software glitch such as the one John Kane & Andre Nestor found or did some form of outright cheating, I still maintain that the next frontier of improving one's VP game is timing the button presses better. There really could be something worth looking into in terms of human biology interacting with electronic machines that just isn't known or understood yet.

Yes, it's a questionable and debatable idea just like trying to control dice throws in craps....questionable, but with tantalizing possibilities for the intrepid souls out there wading into the unknown. (but don't quit your day job!)

[Count Room]

I also used rising stop losses which Rob never accepted but that didn't surprise me because it was either Rob's way or the highway.

I personally suggested rising stop losses to Rob many years ago on VP-FREE, but at the time he said VP is far too addictive of a game to be fooling around with stuff like that, so just stick with strict win/loss goals.

Trailing stops are excellent tools for trading the markets, though.

I certainly haven't (been around Las Vegas as much as Rob). Now what is his definition of an addict?

LOLOLOL

Instead of sending me a phone text threatening me, Rob could have sent me a text that simply said "I'm sorry."

Rob saying "I'm sorry" for something? Man, THAT would be the day! When did you ever see something like that?

[redietz]

I mentioned this very briefly in a previous post somewhere, but let me expand on it. What Count Room was talking about in the post about timing has been investigated by paranormal researchers. I don't personally think the evidence, as of 20 years ago, was very convincing, but some people did.

Back in the mid-80's, I actually visited a laboratory in Princeton that was doing just what Count was talking about -- checking for statistical anomalies with people trying to influence RNG's or time their responses to RNGs. I was briefly wired to some machines and we had a couple of sample runs so they could show me what it was like to work with the machines.

I'm honestly not up to date on what kind of research is currently being done like this, but the topic is real. According to the published research, some of the results back in the 80's were impressive. I have a hard time buying into the concept, but the work is being done.

So no, Count Room, you're not off base to bring up this kind of stuff.

[Count Room]

I mentioned this very briefly in a previous post somewhere, but let me expand on it. What Count Room was talking about in the post about timing has been investigated by paranormal researchers. I don't personally think the evidence, as of 20 years ago, was very convincing, but some people did.

Back in the mid-80's, I actually visited a laboratory in Princeton that was doing just what Count was talking about -- checking for statistical anomalies with people trying to influence RNG's or time their responses to RNGs. I was briefly wired to some machines and we had a couple of sample runs so they could show me what it was like to work with the machines.

I'm honestly not up to date on what kind of research is currently being done like this, but the topic is real. According to the published research, some of the results back in the 80's were impressive. I have a hard time buying into the concept, but the work is being done.

So no, Count Room, you're not off base to bring up this kind of stuff.

Red: I'm not even sure if this could even be considered a paranormal phenomenon (maybe, maybe not!).

Remember Rob's infamous 5th card flipover testing?

On a standard IGT machine why not try each of ten fingers pressing the DEAL/DRAW button for a sample of 100,000 hands of 9/6 Jacks or Better (for each finger, totalling a million hands unless you've been in an industrial accident) ...It would be a good idea to ignore straight flushes and royal flushes as insignificant outliers and focus on 4-of-a-kinds or lower.

If any finger's 100,000 hand run performs statistically better or worse than the other fingers, maybe it could start to show that there is a biological basis for good/bad luck at the machines depending on body position, etc.?

Note that I am NOT saying one would use the "best performing finger" as a result of this test. A test such as this would only be an exploratory test to help show whether or not biology and/or body positions can influence a day's session as a winner (or not).