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    Another surprise from Bob Dancer. He steals, and he says half of us would steal also. He's not talking about stealing from a bank.

    Read his latest article: http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/1119.cfm

    Would you steal? Or is this not stealing?

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    I was just going to post about this, but with the title "Bob Dancer thinks stealing is OK provided you have a backup plan if you get caught".

    He knew full well there was a charge for the meal, yet decided to avoid it and eat anyway. I see no difference between this and slipping a gold watch into your pocket when you are at a Jewelers. Theft is theft, regardless of the amount involved or the circumstances.

    As for his supposition that somewhere around 50% would do likewise, I beg to differ. Given the exact situation I suspect the number of people who would do the same would be extremely small. Bob's estimate seems to emanate as much from a desire to justify his activity as anything else.

    This quote would seem to be in the same vein:

    Many people seem to enjoy looking down their nose at others' shortcomings while ignoring their own.
    Theft isn't a "shortcoming"; its a complete moral failure. A similar event that might be considered a "shortcoming" would be in taking a few cookies from a buffet that you already paid for, even though you knew the food was meant to be consumed within the dinning hall. Technically against the rules, but I can't imagine anyone that might think it was a big deal, including the vendor. I think a better quote for Bob might have been:

    Anyone who is so blind to their own moral failures that they attempt to shift the blame for them onto others should should spend less time publicly stating them and more time internally evaluating them.

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    what a freakin' sleazeball. This guy has no shame.

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    I find it interesting that he would choose to tell this story. What's his purpose? I also wonder what he would do if he saw someone else drop a $100 bill without realizing it. Would he tell them or pick it up and keep it? I saw this happen and I tapped them on the shoulder and pointed it out. I guess in his eyes I am an idiot. But I will do the same thing if it ever happens again.

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    In retrospect, I may have been unduly harsh in my initial response. In fact, his post has resulted in my being interested in learning more about Bob and since I have never read any of his books this seems like a good time to start.

    If anyone has a copy of "Million Dollar Video Poker" and would be willing to scan and email it to me I would be most appreciative. And don't worry; I recognize my shortcomings so if Bob finds out I've read his book without paying for it I'm more than happy to pay him the $5.98 cents the book costs on Kindle.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    If anyone has a copy of "Million Dollar Video Poker" and would be willing to scan and email it to me I would be most appreciative. And don't worry; I recognize my shortcomings so if Bob finds out I've read his book without paying for it I'm more than happy to pay him the $5.98 cents the book costs on Kindle.
    Seems fair and rational, given Dancer's personal view on low priced theft.

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    The moral of the story is that at some time or another everyone engages in this or other similar type activity. And when they do, the best thing to do is to keep it to themselves.

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    Okay, I take advantage, mercilessly, of every advantage I can squeeze out of corporate America in general and casinos in particular.

    I am the guy who takes an extra apple from the university cafeteria. I will try to use a breakfast coupon with an expired date from a Hilton property if I wasn't able to use it on the day I stayed there. I will do these things. But if the rule is to charge an extra ten bucks for breakfast, I will pay the thing or not eat.

    My scruples may be too high. I need to work on them.

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    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Okay, I take advantage, mercilessly, of every advantage I can squeeze out of corporate America in general and casinos in particular.

    I am the guy who takes an extra apple from the university cafeteria. I will try to use a breakfast coupon with an expired date from a Hilton property if I wasn't able to use it on the day I stayed there. I will do these things. But if the rule is to charge an extra ten bucks for breakfast, I will pay the thing or not eat.

    My scruples may be too high. I need to work on them.
    May your apple be mealy you scoundrel.

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    Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    In retrospect, I may have been unduly harsh in my initial response. In fact, his post has resulted in my being interested in learning more about Bob and since I have never read any of his books this seems like a good time to start.

    If anyone has a copy of "Million Dollar Video Poker" and would be willing to scan and email it to me I would be most appreciative. And don't worry; I recognize my shortcomings so if Bob finds out I've read his book without paying for it I'm more than happy to pay him the $5.98 cents the book costs on Kindle.
    Now I have to start wondering whether public library patrons are thieves since multiple people can read an author's entire work without paying an actual royalty through buying the book.


  11. #11
    Originally Posted by Count Room View Post
    Now I have to start wondering whether public library patrons are thieves since multiple people can read an author's entire work without paying an actual royalty through buying the book.
    I don't recall anything in the copyright laws about limiting the number of readers to a hard copy of a book. Nor have I ever seen a "license" attached to a book indicating the number of readers... unlike software, for example.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I don't recall anything in the copyright laws about limiting the number of readers to a hard copy of a book. Nor have I ever seen a "license" attached to a book indicating the number of readers... unlike software, for example.
    With Kindles being used...attaching a license to book for a limited number of readers might not be such a far-fetched idea anymore...(interesting, but this is getting off-topic)

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by Count Room View Post
    With Kindles being used...attaching a license to book for a limited number of readers might not be such a far-fetched idea anymore...(interesting, but this is getting off-topic)
    You're right, this is off topic. I wonder how Dancer feels about not returning Library Books on time?

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    Dancer probably knew his breakfast story would tick a lot of people off, so a reasonable question to ask is: Why did he share such controversial details without something to gain? I suspect he is withholding some vital information from us and he will reveal more next week to soothe irritated nerves.

    Just guessing. I could be wrong.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by Count Room View Post
    I suspect he is withholding some vital information from us and he will reveal more next week to soothe irritated nerves.
    Do you think that one day he might put in his column that the "breakfast story" and the ripoff in Atlantic City, and losing the big money at the Riviera, and not getting the cars in the drawings were all just early April Fool's jokes?

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Do you think that one day he might put in his column that the "breakfast story" and the ripoff in Atlantic City, and losing the big money at the Riviera, and not getting the cars in the drawings were all just early April Fool's jokes?
    Alan: Well it seems like you believe the breakfast story ends here, and you could very well be right! Damned if I know, but if Dancer is swiping food like that...Why would he want to tarnish his name further by revealing it publicly?

    Maybe he is trying to turn non-gambling venues into advantage play opportunities, but this only hurts his VP paraphrenalia sales overall. Would it be a smart thing to do with a recent divorce and (as Rob Singer claims) a habit of playing high-limit VP that needs to be fed?

    Say what you will about the stealing, but it just seems stupid to reveal this publicly without any mitigating facts to be explained later.

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    I think Dancer has already made his point. He summed up the article this way: "Many people seem to enjoy looking down their nose at others' shortcomings while ignoring their own." I read that as a challenge as if to say, don't you dare say I did anything wrong because if you do it only means you are ignoring your own problems.

    In other words, if you dare criticize him for saying anything about his petit theft he'll just turn around and call you a hypocrite and label you the stone-throwing General Manger of the Glass House Hotel.

    As a matter of fact, Dancer is not the first to use this strategy... Rob Singer was pretty good at it.

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    Something just occurred to me. Rob's tax returns might have been pretty tough to justify, but I wager that Dancer's are worse. If he's taking a hotel for a ten dollar breakfast, imagine what angles he's using for Uncle Sam. Maybe Dancer and Singer have the same tax attorney.

    You know, this is an interesting topic because it makes me feel as if I don't push things far enough. I was always uncomfortable trying to talk myself into using ziplocks at buffets to lug some extra food. Never did it, and believe me, I was a bottom-buffet-dwelling boy back in my youth. And I read all of Jean Scott's stuff; she actually recommended it on many occasions. I wonder if Dancer's percentage estimates may be correct. I mean, I've often seen people load up at buffets and jam stuff into bags and purses.

    Another way to look at this, I guess, is that the food just gets tossed if it's not eaten.

  19. #19
    Dancer's actions are typical of a narcissist. They really do believe everyone else has the same low moral standards as they do. And therefore, anyone who complains is ignoring their own bad behavior. Just like Singer, Dancer lives in his own fantasy world.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
    dancer's actions are typical of a narcissist. They really do believe everyone else has the same low moral standards as they do. And therefore, anyone who complains is ignoring their own bad behavior. Just like singer, dancer lives in his own fantasy world.
    bingo!...................

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