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  1. #121
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Are you really this thick?

    I never said play without a strategy. I said you are spinning your wheels at the lower denominations and by your own admission the lower denominations rarely get you to your win goal.

    You have a $1,000 win goal? Okay. Take your $50,000 bankroll and sit down at a $100 8/5 Bonus machine or 9/6 Jacks machine in the high limit room at Caesars and hit two pair for a $500 profit. Hit it a second time for a $1,000. Getting two pair twice in a row happens all the time. Play your two hands and leave. No tips. No W2G. And there are few smokers in the Palace Court high limit room at Caesars.

    Taking your huge bankroll to low level machines to hit a win goal of $1,000 is a blaring flaw in your strategy. Here's an analogy: That would be like me handing out flyers on a corner trying to reach 100,000 people in a day, when all I have to do is go on TV with a 30-second commercial to reach the same 100,000.
    You still don't get it. Playing any single denomination, regardless if it's 103% or 97%, is a consistent method of losing. You should know.

    I have a $50k winner from the hl room in Caesars Palace also. Four A's with a kicker. I put a pic of it in the paper and gave my original W2G to my editor to handle the hate calls with. Didn't matter--when people are jealous they are jealous, and nothing will resolve the pain they have over it.

    Now use your head. If there were no such thing yet as people posting big winners here and I blabbed about this latest winner, the crys would go out for me to post a picture of it. Poor lost souls like arci would be leading the pack. But holy smokes! RS DOES post his winner! So now what....oh yes, it just HAS to be that he was roaming some high limit room and happens upon some lucky SOB and asks if he can snap a shot, as stupid as that sounds. But wait....what if he has a VIDEO of him being paid 50 G's at the machine!? Well, now it MUST BE that he was playing with someone else's money, as corny as that sounds too--or he HAD to have lost a little more than he won. After all, NO ONE wins on those "POSITIVELY AWFUL" negative machines!

    It makes no sense. A video is only meaningful to the friends and family members Cindy shared it with. To the rest, all it'll do is piss them off even more and be cause for more dumb statements to flow. I don't feed that stuff any more, UNLESS someone or everyone here wants to PAY A TIDY SUM for it. That will even out the resulting foolish claims like arci's latest, and keep him stewing over it as he just adds the incident into all the other self-caused challenges he has to suffer thru up there in -25F.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 01-05-2014 at 02:44 PM.

  2. #122
    Originally Posted by Count Room View Post
    Arci: You've often accused Rob of projection. Can you see how you are projecting yourself right now? You're accusing Singer of providing no support for his claims without any support for your accusation itself. Yes, a lot of us know your talking points from previous posts, but in all fairness it would be good to address the specific points Rob made in his post. (ie. the wife's videotape, the years Rob wrote articles, etc.)

    Not taking sides....just trying to provide a beacon of fairness in a hideously unfair world.
    I already provided support. Singer's own words stated he "never" held the kicker. He has said that multiple times.

  3. #123
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You still don't get it. Playing any single denomination, regardless if it's 103% or 97%, is a consistent method of losing. You should know.
    No, I don't know that playing at a single denomination is a consistent method of losing.

    You cannot convince me that playing low denominations with a large win goal makes any sense at all.

    If your win goal is $1,000 how many "big wins" at the 25-cent level are needed playing Bonus -- your #1 game?
    How many big wins at the 50-cent level?
    Only when you get to the $1 level does a $1,000 win goal without a royal flush (comes one in 42,000 hands) become realistic. And I don't care what small wins you bank along the way.

    If you really have a $50K bankroll -- and if you really have a strategy to hit a win goal of $1,000 and get out of the casino as soon as possible -- step up to a $100 machine and get your thousand bucks and leave. Each hand you play has a 45% of at least returning the $500 coin in.

  4. #124
    Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
    I already provided support. Singer's own words stated he "never" held the kicker. He has said that multiple times.
    Weak arci....very weak. You keep on stepping into your own traps, good buddy. Singer also said he would no longer play above the $2 machines.

    Oh well Mr. Genius. Back to the drawing board!

  5. #125
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    No, I don't know that playing at a single denomination is a consistent method of losing.

    You cannot convince me that playing low denominations with a large win goal makes any sense at all.

    If your win goal is $1,000 how many "big wins" at the 25-cent level are needed playing Bonus -- your #1 game?
    How many big wins at the 50-cent level?
    Only when you get to the $1 level does a $1,000 win goal without a royal flush (comes one in 42,000 hands) become realistic. And I don't care what small wins you bank along the way.

    If you really have a $50K bankroll -- and if you really have a strategy to hit a win goal of $1,000 and get out of the casino as soon as possible -- step up to a $100 machine and get your thousand bucks and leave. Each hand you play has a 45% of at least returning the $500 coin in.
    I see your problem Alan: you can't deduce. Or you never listen. Or you only read partial posts. Lets see if repitition helps.

    I have never nor would I ever play for a $1000 win when starting at quarters. When playing 25c thru $2, my win goal is $50. When playing a five level 25c thru $5, it's $100. Are you REALLY paying attention? OK, good. THE WIN GOAL IS FOREMOST A FUNCTION OF THE LOWEST DENOMINATION TO BE PLAYED, then to a lesser extent, the highest. Ever see that before?

    Now to the dumber comment. First, when did you make up that I've ever used a $50,000 bankroll? When I played professsionally, it was $171,600. When I hit this recent winner, I said it was $30,000. At all other times since retiring, it's been anywhere from $500 to that one time $30k. I haven't played since. And about that $100 machine you're so Infatuated with? Use your head. Think "45%...45%...45%". Are you there yet? Now, think "required bankroll". Take your time, the machines can wait.

  6. #126
    Rob, clear it up for us. Exactly WHAT is your policy or strategy about holding kickers? Please give it to us in detail, and that will be the standard for going forward.

  7. #127
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I see your problem Alan: you can't deduce. Or you never listen. Or you only read partial posts. Lets see if repitition helps.

    I have never nor would I ever play for a $1000 win when starting at quarters. When playing 25c thru $2, my win goal is $50. When playing a five level 25c thru $5, it's $100. Are you REALLY paying attention? OK, good. THE WIN GOAL IS FOREMOST A FUNCTION OF THE LOWEST DENOMINATION TO BE PLAYED, then to a lesser extent, the highest. Ever see that before?

    Now to the dumber comment. First, when did you make up that I've ever used a $50,000 bankroll? When I played professsionally, it was $171,600. When I hit this recent winner, I said it was $30,000. At all other times since retiring, it's been anywhere from $500 to that one time $30k. I haven't played since. And about that $100 machine you're so Infatuated with? Use your head. Think "45%...45%...45%". Are you there yet? Now, think "required bankroll". Take your time, the machines can wait.
    Rob, I admit I cannot deduce anything from what you have said or written, which is why I asked you in the other post to tell us in detail what exactly is your policy for holding kickers. Spell it out.

    I think all of your win goals at the various denominations are arbitrary. Unless you have some math from your stable of mathematicians that can give us the likelihood of hitting those win goals at those denominations using your strategy? And what the likelihood would be of hitting those win goals using conventional strategy? After all, that is what this is all about Rob -- your strategy vs conventional strategy.

    So what is the likelihood of hitting these win goals at the various denominations and with how much of a bankroll and after how much play? I ask about after "how much play" because your goal is to get out of the casino quickly and you criticize "grinding."

  8. #128
    Rob has made his strategy very clear in the past. NEVER.

  9. #129
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I see your problem Alan: you can't deduce. Or you never listen. Or you only read partial posts. Lets see if repitition helps.

    I have never nor would I ever play for a $1000 win when starting at quarters. When playing 25c thru $2, my win goal is $50. When playing a five level 25c thru $5, it's $100. Are you REALLY paying attention? OK, good. THE WIN GOAL IS FOREMOST A FUNCTION OF THE LOWEST DENOMINATION TO BE PLAYED, then to a lesser extent, the highest. Ever see that before?

    Now to the dumber comment. First, when did you make up that I've ever used a $50,000 bankroll? When I played professsionally, it was $171,600. When I hit this recent winner, I said it was $30,000. At all other times since retiring, it's been anywhere from $500 to that one time $30k. I haven't played since. And about that $100 machine you're so Infatuated with? Use your head. Think "45%...45%...45%". Are you there yet? Now, think "required bankroll". Take your time, the machines can wait.
    This is the part I like: every once in a while I see something I missed.I don't remember seeing that about the win goal-I always went by the lowest denom. After thinking it thru, I see the point.

  10. #130
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Rob, I admit I cannot deduce anything from what you have said or written, which is why I asked you in the other post to tell us in detail what exactly is your policy for holding kickers. Spell it out.

    I think all of your win goals at the various denominations are arbitrary. Unless you have some math from your stable of mathematicians that can give us the likelihood of hitting those win goals at those denominations using your strategy? And what the likelihood would be of hitting those win goals using conventional strategy? After all, that is what this is all about Rob -- your strategy vs conventional strategy.

    So what is the likelihood of hitting these win goals at the various denominations and with how much of a bankroll and after how much play? I ask about after "how much play" because your goal is to get out of the casino quickly and you criticize "grinding."
    Specify the strategy and the denominations, then I can answer. Yes, the minimum win goals are 100% based on math. No, I don't need any of the mathematicians that I had analyze what I developed strategy-wise, to calculate my win goals because I know just as much--and in many cases, more--than they do. Developing minimum win goals has always been accomplished with a very high confidence level.

    I answered your question about holding kickers very clearly in the other thread, and will again here. When I played professionally thru 5/2009, the only kicker game I played was DDBP. I have never and will never hold a kicker in that game. Since 2010 I started playing TDBP. Because I always play all games around 95% optimally and holding kickers with trip A's - 4's is always the optimal play in this game, in a unique twist the special play here is to toss the kicker....unless the win goal cannot be attained with the potential quad without holding the kicker. That is why I sent you my picture. It was a unusual situation and I would have never realized such a nice win without stopping to calculate where I was vs. where I needed to be.

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