The Kicker Thread

[Alan Mendelson]

I do have a strategy Rob. I play perfect strategy as a matter of fact, and I use win goals and loss limits. Who said I lost?
The difference between you and me is that I don't have to boast about my wins. I have nothing to prove.

[Vegas_lover]

I do have a strategy Rob. I play perfect strategy as a matter of fact, and I use win goals and loss limits. Who said I lost?
The difference between you and me is that I don't have to boast about my wins. I have nothing to prove.

And no reason to make up stories. Slingslot makes no sense at all but then again he appears to be a Singer groupie and not making sense seems to be the standard within that crowd.

@ a2a3dseddie I've already accepted I'm not intelligent enough to understand Rob's "system " but thank God I'm not the only one. I'm glad to let you know that Singer has some inside info about all Europeans being slow. So it's cool, I don't feel left out anymore

[Rob.Singer]

Well, which is it Rob: do you use your special plays 5% of the time, or do you use your special plays 33% of the time?
The way I just read what you wrote you WON 33% of your sessions ... but HOW MANY SPECIAL PLAYS were used in those sessions? Were they 5% of the hands played or 33% of the hands played? We don't know... and do you know?



Rob it is complicated. It's very complicated. It's so complicated that you lost me.
If win goals are more important than special plays, and if special plays are used only 5% of the time, then why bother with special plays and why not just play conventional strategy and quit when you're ahead?

Rob... you're undermining the importance of your own system.

You just aren't able to understand simple words any more Alan. It's like I'm trying to communicate with someone who just can't pass a test they'd have aced years ago. The 33%--now read carefully. I played THREE sessions; I won ONE of the three sessions by using a session-ending special play; 1 divided by 3 = 33%. Wow....there it is! I'm embarrassed to even have to say this: that 33% is for this visit only, not an avg. for all of my play ever. Sink in?

Your last para. looks like you were just trying to air your frustration of being confused. You'll only be able to comprehend things if you clear your mind of thinking how much you crave just being able to sit at some machine right NOW to play video poker, and think of it as an effort you're trying to accomplish for work. Yes....it is THAT important, but only if you care enough to be motivated to understand it. Otherwise, you'll stay lost.I can only sum it up for you. You're unable to grasp the simple details unless you do what I just wrote: In a structured progression such as mine, conventional strategy can end sessions by attaining at least the minimum win goal about 65% of the time. Had I done that I would have probably--but not absolutely--been an overall loser in my years of playing professionally. Using special plays bumped that rate up another 20% or so, and they constantly contributed to losing less when I lost & winning more when I won. For instance, my one 5-credit $25 royal was the result of a special play; my $50k quad Aces with a kicker at your beloved Ceasars Palace high limit room was the result of a special play; two $30k winners at Aquarius were the results of special plays. Yes most special plays don't convert, but when they do and it ends a session, because my next bet is at my lowest denomination, the # of failed special plays at lower denominations is almost irrelevant compared to the big money already won. And that is exactly why giving up little bits of ev here and there are mathematically inconsequential "over time" when you're playing for a win goal.

Just keep telling yourself when pondering SPS: Conventional Strategy Only On Mostly -EV Machines = a probable slight overall loss; Add In Special Plays = a highly probable overall significant win. Do with this like your social justice idol Obama told us all to do over the holidays, and discuss healthcare at the dinner table every night, only this time it's vp and it's a proven success.

[Rob.Singer]

I do have a strategy Rob. I play perfect strategy as a matter of fact, and I use win goals and loss limits. Who said I lost?
The difference between you and me is that I don't have to boast about my wins. I have nothing to prove.

YOU said you lost by rule. And no, I don't really believe you have the aptitude or comprehension--or the patience to have studied & learned--to play perfect strategy.

You felt compelled enough to start up that jackpot thread when you know it would be you who posted the most big hits in it since no one else here is addicted to playing as much as you. You really think dreaming penny-pinchers like Vegaslover is going to ever do anything in that thread but ooze envy when a typical European eyeballs even more American success?

[Vegas_lover]

You really think dreaming penny-pinchers like Vegaslover is going to ever do anything in that thread but ooze envy when a typical European eyeballs even more American success?

Whahahaha, don't worry about my wallet Rob I'm pretty happy with the content of it

Oh yeah Rob, you're a true right wing Republican. Clueless to reality. Keep the insult coming and keep digging that hole. And we dumb Europeans will continue to dream about your version of the American dream (sarcasm intented)

[Alan Mendelson]

YOU said you lost by rule. And no, I don't really believe you have the aptitude or comprehension--or the patience to have studied & learned--to play perfect strategy.

First of all I am not going to discuss my wins or losses on a public web forum. What I say publicly is what I want said publicly.

Secondly, it doesn't take being a genius to follow perfect strategy for Bonus poker or Aces and Faces. To be honest, it doesn't take much of an IQ at all.

Rob, do you really think "video poker players" deserve to be on a pedestal?

[Count Room]

Rob: I simply wanted to say that regardless of who is right or wrong about VP you can be a funny guy sometimes! LOL


Even for the non-VP players you sometimes do provide +EV (Entertainment Value)

I have a more serious question:

Why do you think people become addicted to VP? Is it simply the greed for more money or something else?

You seem to have a deep understanding of something here when you talk about "craving action" and wanting to sit at a machine right NOW, etc.

I have sometimes wondered if the vibrant colors on an IGT VP machine screen along with the hyper-stimulating casino atmosphere & pulse-pounding casino mailers help to make people more hooked on casino gambling? (I will credit you for using "pulse-pounding" as a phrase years ago on this...)

I find it hilarious sometimes when I receive a $3,000 check in the mail and it really looks dull and bland compared to the lovely vibrant colors of a $20 casino coupon mailer.

MORE STUFF: Whether or not it's the power of casino marketing and whether those huge palaces can overwhelm our sense of control, I think there is a whole lot more you could explain in this area. The human side of the VP addiction equation.
You yourself said VP is the "most addictive game on the planet".
Robert Hunter, one of the leading gambling addiction researchers/counselors (if not THE leader) in Las Vegas calls VP the "crack cocaine of gambling" (his clients are FAR, FAR more addicted to VP than any other game).

[Rob.Singer]

Whahahaha, don't worry about my wallet Rob I'm pretty happy with the content of it

Oh yeah Rob, you're a true right wing Republican. Clueless to reality. Keep the insult coming and keep digging that hole. And we dumb Europeans will continue to dream about your version of the American dream (sarcasm intented)

Of COURSE your needs are few! Isn't that the goal of failed social justice throughout Europe....and isn't that why you people have never been able to defend yourselves? (Truth intended )

[Rob.Singer]

First of all I am not going to discuss my wins or losses on a public web forum. What I say publicly is what I want said publicly.

Secondly, it doesn't take being a genius to follow perfect strategy for Bonus poker or Aces and Faces. To be honest, it doesn't take much of an IQ at all.

Rob, do you really think "video poker players" deserve to be on a pedestal?

Not going to discuss your wins or losses? You've been blabbing about it here for years. Only I've never cared enuf to ask.

Alan, even if I gave you two weeks to study perfect strategy for ANY game, I guarantee you would not get it right or even close to right. How? By watching you constantly read without understanding what anybody says right here. You play for entertainment correct?

No idea what the pedestal means.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob, let me clue you in: perfect strategy for Bonus, Aces and Faces, or Jacks or Better, ain't hard at all.

Now, I don't pretend to know any of the deuces wild games... and I steer clear of them.

But if there any doubts about what cards to hold in Bonus, Aces and Faces, or Jacks can quickly be resolved by reaching into your pocket and looking at a strategy card from BOB DANCER or checking a website on your smart phone.

Gimme a break with this high and mighty crap already... and that's what the "pedestal" refers to.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob: I simply wanted to say that regardless of who is right or wrong about VP you can be a funny guy sometimes! LOL


Even for the non-VP players you sometimes do provide +EV (Entertainment Value)

I have a more serious question:

Why do you think people become addicted to VP? Is it simply the greed for more money or something else?

You seem to have a deep understanding of something here when you talk about "craving action" and wanting to sit at a machine right NOW, etc.

I have sometimes wondered if the vibrant colors on an IGT VP machine screen along with the hyper-stimulating casino atmosphere & pulse-pounding casino mailers help to make people more hooked on casino gambling? (I will credit you for using "pulse-pounding" as a phrase years ago on this...)

I find it hilarious sometimes when I receive a $3,000 check in the mail and it really looks dull and bland compared to the lovely vibrant colors of a $20 casino coupon mailer.

MORE STUFF: Whether or not it's the power of casino marketing and whether those huge palaces can overwhelm our sense of control, I think there is a whole lot more you could explain in this area. The human side of the VP addiction equation.
You yourself said VP is the "most addictive game on the planet".
Robert Hunter, one of the leading gambling addiction researchers/counselors (if not THE leader) in Las Vegas calls VP the "crack cocaine of gambling" (his clients are FAR, FAR more addicted to VP than any other game).

When I came on the scene in 2000, my website, my book, and I talked about how advantage play made me a vp addict, and how I finally realized that, win or lose, video poker is the most addictive casino game ever invented. I kept telling everyone that their only hope was to turn the tables on the casinos....by learning to control the game, the slot club, the offers, the ability to obtain more cash than you came in with via the cash advance machines/ATM's/casino credit, and the exciting ambience instead of allowing it all to control you.

And that's exactly what I've done, to the apparent dismay of many. Why? Because almost every--or every--vp player loses overall and worse, they know they are addicted yet they will never admit to it. Look at Alan as an example, and I'm not just picking on him. He plays more than Wilt the Stilt bedded women, yet he'll dodge the thought and yelp at will when simply confronted with the word. I offer players an opportunity to learn to alter their controlled behavior by the casinos if they want it. But the compulsion to just hurry to the casino environment so that craving for their next dose of gambling-induced intermittent satisfaction is so overwhelmingly strong that I probably remain alone as the only consistently very successful player who actually controls every casino experience I choose to become involved in.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob, of course if you were addicted to video poker then it had to be the most addictive casino game ever invented.

Rob, say what you want about how often I play you will never catch me walking around a casino with $70,000 or would you find me going ten thousand dollars in the hole trying to play catch up by going to denominations that I know are well above reality.

[Vegas_lover]

Of COURSE your needs are few! Isn't that the goal of failed social justice throughout Europe....and isn't that why you people have never been able to defend yourselves? (Truth intended )

Thank you for proving my point about being clueless. Not even gonna go there, it would actually give the impression that anything you say would mean something, which it doesn't. Back to the trailer Bubba.

[slingshot]

All I can say is thank goodness I'm not chained to strategy cards, books, etc. This is the age of freedom in VP thought! Why, I've even made some holds Rob wouldn't. Tsk, tsk.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob, of course if you were addicted to video poker then it had to be the most addictive casino game ever invented.

Rob, say what you want about how often I play you will never catch me walking around a casino with $70,000 or would you find me going ten thousand dollars in the hole trying to play catch up by going to denominations that I know are well above reality.

You won't be walking around those casinos you go to with $70k because you're not prepared for it, you can't lose that much on one visit, and you've gone thru enuf divorces. And just imagine the horror of not being able to make all those drives to the casinos!

Frequent casino visits is your life Alan. It may or may not mean you have a gambling problem--only you can know that truth. But addicted to casino action you are. Now if you want to minimalize that by saying I'm addicted to my RV or maybe traveling, no problem. But those other type of activities you and others always bring up when that "horrible"...even "frightening" addiction word surfaces, then deflection is simply your way of dealing with facing all the facts. But not to worry--your thoughts will quickly turn to the anxiety of being able to play more frenzied vp or roll those lovely dice out of your sweaty hands, and all will once again be well. We all want to be well, don't we?

[regnis]

All I can say is thank goodness I'm not chained to strategy cards, books, etc. This is the age of freedom in VP thought! Why, I've even made some holds Rob wouldn't. Tsk, tsk.

I once forgot that the 7 of spades that I discarded was a penalty card. Over the next million hands that cost me 0ne cent. I may never recover. And I thought I knew perfect strategy. Sheeeeeesh.

[redietz]

Regnis, you're missing my "special holds." If the cocktail waitress has a bigger chest than Dolly Parton (I live near Dollywood), I don't hold anything and order more drinks. If the cocktail waitress is smaller than Parton, but resembles Raquel Welch (remember her?), I hold everything and order more drinks.

Note: This ties into my New year's resolution to be less politically correct in public.

[Vegas_lover]

You won't be walking around those casinos you go to with $70k because you're not prepared for it, you can't lose that much on one visit, and you've gone thru enuf divorces. And just imagine the horror of not being able to make all those drives to the casinos!

Frequent casino visits is your life Alan. It may or may not mean you have a gambling problem--only you can know that truth. But addicted to casino action you are. Now if you want to minimalize that by saying I'm addicted to my RV or maybe traveling, no problem. But those other type of activities you and others always bring up when that "horrible"...even "frightening" addiction word surfaces, then deflection is simply your way of dealing with facing all the facts. But not to worry--your thoughts will quickly turn to the anxiety of being able to play more frenzied vp or roll those lovely dice out of your sweaty hands, and all will once again be well. We all want to be well, don't we?

What a gem. You always seem to find new lows. And the really sad part about it is you're proud of it. Life must be very lonely on your planet.

[regnis]

Regnis, you're missing my "special holds." If the cocktail waitress has a bigger chest than Dolly Parton (I live near Dollywood), I don't hold anything and order more drinks. If the cocktail waitress is smaller than Parton, but resembles Raquel Welch (remember her?), I hold everything and order more drinks.

Note: This ties into my New year's resolution to be less politically correct in public.

Last special hold I used got me slapped.

[arcimede$]

I wonder if Alan is regretting his decision to allow our favorite narcissistic prevaricator to pollute his forums again?